[Rhodes22-list] Topic change... to Elle
elle
watermusic38 at yahoo.com
Wed Oct 29 21:49:29 EDT 2008
Ben,
sorry...I just read your reply to Saroj...I should have realized that you would not have made an uncalled-for remark.
elle
We can't change the angle of the wind....but we can adjust our sails.
1992 Rhodes 22 Recyc '06 "WaterMusic" (Lady in Red)
--- On Wed, 10/29/08, elle <watermusic38 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> From: elle <watermusic38 at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Topic change... to Elle
> To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Date: Wednesday, October 29, 2008, 9:29 PM
> NOT funny, Ben.
> This isn't like you...what gives??
>
> elle
>
> We can't change the angle of the wind....but we can
> adjust our sails.
>
> 1992 Rhodes 22 Recyc '06 "WaterMusic"
> (Lady in Red)
>
>
> --- On Wed, 10/29/08, Ben Cittadino
> <bcittadino at dcs-law.com> wrote:
>
> > From: Ben Cittadino <bcittadino at dcs-law.com>
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Topic change... to Elle
> > To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> > Date: Wednesday, October 29, 2008, 12:43 PM
> > Hey you guys!!!! No flirting on this forum!!! What is
> this
> > , Match.com?
> >
> > Ben C.
> >
> > Saroj Gilbert wrote:
> > >
> > > hmmm.. sent to watermusic38 at yahoo.com at
> 11:20
> > yesterday.
> > >
> > > did you get it yet?
> > >
> > > Give me a call when it works out for you to meet
> for
> > coffee or lunch.
> > >
> > > Saroj
> > > 757 871-6697
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "elle"
> <watermusic38 at yahoo.com>
> > > To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List"
> > <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > > Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 11:48 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Topic change... to
> Elle
> > >
> > >
> > >> Saroj.
> > >>
> > >> 11:50pm...nothing yet.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> elle
> > >>
> > >> We can't change the angle of the
> wind....but
> > we can adjust our sails.
> > >>
> > >> 1992 Rhodes 22 Recyc '06
> > "WaterMusic" (Lady in Red)
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> --- On Tue, 10/28/08, Saroj Gilbert
> > <saroj at pathfind.net> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> From: Saroj Gilbert
> <saroj at pathfind.net>
> > >>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Topic change...
> to
> > Elle
> > >>> To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List"
> > <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > >>> Date: Tuesday, October 28, 2008, 11:21 PM
> > >>> I sent you an email back channel... let
> me
> > know if it
> > >>> doesn't get to you.
> > >>>
> > >>> Saroj
> > >>>
> > >>> ----- Original Message -----
> > >>> From: "elle"
> > <watermusic38 at yahoo.com>
> > >>> To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List"
> > >>> <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > >>> Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 11:08 PM
> > >>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] centerboard
> > repair - cap
> > >>> sealant? reply to
> > >>> Saroj
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> > Saroj,
> > >>> >
> > >>> > We're neighbors, of
> sorts.....I'm
> > just a bit
> > >>> up the road in the upper
> > >>> > Northern Neck...I go to Newport News
> > every two weeks
> > >>> on marina
> > >>> > business.......and will go thru
> Hampton
> > in two weeks
> > >>> on my way to the
> > >>> > Outer Banks for a photo
> workshop.....
> > >>> >
> > >>> > elle
> > >>> >
> > >>> > We can't change the angle of the
> > wind....but we
> > >>> can adjust our sails.
> > >>> >
> > >>> > 1992 Rhodes 22 Recyc '06
> > "WaterMusic"
> > >>> (Lady in Red)
> > >>> >
> > >>> >
> > >>> > --- On Tue, 10/28/08, Saroj Gilbert
> > >>> <saroj at pathfind.net> wrote:
> > >>> >
> > >>> >> From: Saroj Gilbert
> > <saroj at pathfind.net>
> > >>> >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list]
> > centerboard repair -
> > >>> cap sealant? reply to
> > >>> >> Saroj
> > >>> >> To: "The Rhodes 22 Email
> > List"
> > >>> <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > >>> >> Date: Tuesday, October 28, 2008,
> 2:27
> > PM
> > >>> >> Hey, Ed, Ben, Rob, Rik, Rummy,
> Lou,
> > >>> >>
> > >>> >> Thanks all for the info. Based
> on
> > what I've
> > >>> read,
> > >>> >> I'm going to replace all
> > >>> >> the screws with bolts.
> > >>> >>
> > >>> >> Lou, are you the one who did the
> > write-up with
> > >>> Roger in
> > >>> >> 2005-2006? When you
> > >>> >> say "torque" are you
> > implying you
> > >>> actually used a
> > >>> >> torque wrench or just as a
> > >>> >> euphemism for
> "tightened"?
> > >>> >>
> > >>> >> My centerboard lift line has a
> > different
> > >>> configuration from
> > >>> >> that in the
> > >>> >> article I referenced above. It
> > starts from a
> > >>> small U
> > >>> >> bracket fore of the
> > >>> >> foremost block on the cap.
> Since the
> > blocks on
> > >>> the CB were
> > >>> >> broken I don't
> > >>> >> know how it was threaded below,
> but
> > it seems to
> > >>> have gone
> > >>> >> from that loop
> > >>> >> thru the highest block on the
> CB,
> > back up to the
> > >>> the
> > >>> >> foremost block on the
> > >>> >> cap (an inch aft of the loop),
> back
> > down to the
> > >>> lower block
> > >>> >> on the CB (2-3
> > >>> >> inches below the other one) then
> up
> > thru the aft
> > >>> block on
> > >>> >> the cap which acts
> > >>> >> as a fair lead, then thru the
> hole
> > and nipple for
> > >>> the lift
> > >>> >> line. It seems
> > >>> >> that there should be another
> block
> > lower down on
> > >>> the CB to
> > >>> >> give an extra
> > >>> >> mechanical advantage and more
> pull on
> > the extreme,
> > >>> but I
> > >>> >> never had any
> > >>> >> trouble raising or lowering the
> CB
> > before the
> > >>> break.
> > >>> >>
> > >>> >> I'm still wondering what
> > sealant/caulk to use.
> > >>> The guy
> > >>> >> at West Marine
> > >>> >> recommended 3M 4200 but I think
> it is
> > essentially
> > >>> an
> > >>> >> adhesive like 5200,
> > >>> >> just not as permanent. Lou,
> what did
> > you use?
> > >>> Seems like
> > >>> >> an underwater
> > >>> >> silicone (like Silicone II)
> would
> > work well.
> > >>> I've
> > >>> >> never had any trouble
> > >>> >> with leaking, but I might as
> well do
> > it right
> > >>> while its
> > >>> >> apart. I would
> > >>> >> consider changing the gasket but
> it
> > appears to be
> > >>> in very
> > >>> >> good condition.
> > >>> >>
> > >>> >> I've been renovating a 1937
> house
> > for the past
> > >>> 4 years,
> > >>> >> so Pathfinder has
> > >>> >> been on the hard in my back yard
> > during that time.
> > >>> It
> > >>> >> wasn't worth paying
> > >>> >> the slip fees when I didn't
> have
> > time to use
> > >>> it.
> > >>> >> We're replacing the mast
> > >>> >> lights... the anchor light lens
> was
> > cloudy and I
> > >>> lost the
> > >>> >> steaming/deck
> > >>> >> light when a branch fell on it.
> > I'm replacing
> > >>> the
> > >>> >> anchor light with an
> > >>> >> incandescent, but the
> steaming/deck
> > light with
> > >>> LED. Figure
> > >>> >> that will help
> > >>> >> the battery charging life, and
> will
> > be installing
> > >>> a solar
> > >>> >> panel for trickle
> > >>> >> charge.
> > >>> >>
> > >>> >> All of the brightwork needs
> sanding
> > &
> > >>> varnishing and
> > >>> >> have to clean up some
> > >>> >> sap on the deck. Washed all the
> > lines and the
> > >>> sails and
> > >>> >> she is just about
> > >>> >> back to sailing condition. She
> still
> > looks great
> > >>> even at
> > >>> >> her advanced age
> > >>> >> of 24 years!
> > >>> >>
> > >>> >> I'll continue on with the
> > cosmetic work
> > >>> (screens,
> > >>> >> varnish, polishingetc.)
> > >>> >> over the next year; but
> we're
> > hoping to get a
> > >>> few sails
> > >>> >> in before winter
> > >>> >> "really" gets here,
> > although the way
> > >>> things are
> > >>> >> going that may be
> > >>> >> optimisitc. Monday afternoon it
> was
> > delightful
> > >>> sailing
> > >>> >> weather. Today it
> > >>> >> is windy and cold...
> unseasonably for
> > this region.
> > >>> >>
> > >>> >> Ed, I met a fellow from Richmond
> a
> > few years ago
> > >>> (Rob, was
> > >>> >> that you?), but I
> > >>> >> haven't run into any Rhodes
> > owners in the
> > >>> Tidewater
> > >>> >> region. I'm living in
> > >>> >> Hampton now.
> > >>> >>
> > >>> >> Thanks all for your well wishes
> and
> > the great
> > >>> information
> > >>> >> to help us get
> > >>> >> this project completed.
> > >>> >>
> > >>> >> Saroj
> > >>> >>
> > >>> >>
> > >>> >> ----- Original Message -----
> > >>> >> From: "Lou Rosenberg"
> > >>> <lsr3 at nyu.edu>
> > >>> >> To: "The Rhodes 22 Email
> > List"
> > >>> >>
> <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > >>> >> Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008
> 12:32
> > PM
> > >>> >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list]
> > centerboard repair -
> > >>> cap
> > >>> >> sealant? reply to
> > >>> >> Saroj
> > >>> >>
> > >>> >>
> > >>> >> Rik
> > >>> >>
> > >>> >> I use 10x24 ss bolts on my cap.
> I
> > prefer to
> > >>> tighten the
> > >>> >> nut under
> > >>> >> the cap using a closed end
> wrench
> > with
> > >>> >> my electric driver and the
> correct
> > wide phillips
> > >>> bit in
> > >>> >> place. Do a
> > >>> >> criss cross pattern like lacing
> up
> > boots
> > >>> >> and torque the nut with a rachet
> > wrench with the
> > >>> phillips
> > >>> >> bit and
> > >>> >> just hold the nut in place with
> the
> > same closed
> > >>> end wrench
> > >>> >> (7/16")
> > >>> >> took me about 1hr to do 46
> bolts.
> > >>> >>
> > >>> >> Ive overhauled my entire
> centerboard
> > cap, trunk
> > >>> and board
> > >>> >> including
> > >>> >> the mechanical advantage
> > >>> >>
> > >>> >> Lou
> > >>> >> sv Miracles
> > >>> >>
> > >>> >>
> > >>> >> On Oct 28, 2008, at 11:43 AM,
> > R22RumRunner at aol.com
> > >>> wrote:
> > >>> >>
> > >>> >> > Rik,
> > >>> >> > It takes really small hands
> and
> > a second
> > >>> person. I
> > >>> >> recommend using an
> > >>> >> > electric driver or you will
> be
> > spending the
> > >>> better
> > >>> >> part of a day
> > >>> >> > installing all of
> > >>> >> > them. I have never seen
> screws
> > used on the
> > >>> trunk cap.
> > >>> >> >
> > >>> >> > Rummy
> > >>> >> >
> > >>> >> >
> > >>> >> > In a message dated
> 10/28/2008
> > 11:21:39 A.M.
> > >>> Eastern
> > >>> >> Daylight Time,
> > >>> >> > sanderico1 at gmail.com
> writes:
> > >>> >> >
> > >>> >> > Ed,
> > >>> >> >
> > >>> >> > I have to ask, how would
> you use
> > through
> > >>> bolts on the
> > >>> >> centerboard
> > >>> >> > cap of
> > >>> >> > an R22?? I can't
> imagine how
> > you are
> > >>> going to hold
> > >>> >> the nuts to
> > >>> >> > tighten them.
> > >>> >> >
> > >>> >> > Rik
> > >>> >> >
> > >>> >> > Will Rogers often said,
> > "There's
> > >>> nothing
> > >>> >> quite like money in the
> > >>> >> > bank." He
> > >>> >> > went on to say,
> "I'm
> > not so
> > >>> concerned about
> > >>> >> the return on my money
> > >>> >> > as I am
> > >>> >> > about the return of my
> > money."
> > >>> >> >
> > >>> >> >
> > >>> >> >
> > >>> >> > Tootle wrote:
> > >>> >> >> Saroj:
> > >>> >> >>
> > >>> >> >> As to sealants, do not
> use
> > 5200 like
> > >>> some boat
> > >>> >> builders. It is
> > >>> >> >> called
> > >>> >> >> sealant but it is
> permanent
> > and prevents
> > >>> future
> > >>> >> repair,
> > >>> >> >> painting, etc.
> > >>> >> >>
> > >>> >> >> I recommend a sealant
> that
> > says for under
> > >>> water
> > >>> >> use. 3M 4000 or
> > >>> >> >> 4200 are
> > >>> >> >> numbers I can think of
> > quickly. Go to
> > >>> the 3M
> > >>> >> website and see
> > >>> >> >> which one is
> > >>> >> >> for underwater use. (I
>
> > know the cap is
> > >>> not
> > >>> >> underwater, except at
> > >>> >> >> times)
> > >>> >> >>
> > >>> >> >> Another popular
> product is
> > Boat Life
> > >>> Sealant, not
> > >>> >> Boat Life Caulk.
> > >>> >> >>
> > >>> >> >> As to silicone
> products,
> > make sure it
> > >>> says for
> > >>> >> underwater use.
> > >>> >> >> Silicone
> > >>> >> > II
> > >>> >> >> is said to be the
> better
> > formulation of
> > >>> silcone
> > >>> >> sealants.
> > >>> >> >>
> > >>> >> >> I would not go to
> Lowes. Go
> > to any
> > >>> dockside
> > >>> >> marine store or if
> > >>> >> >> you have to
> > >>> >> >> the high dollar
> 'West
> > Marine'.
> > >>> It would
> > >>> >> be better to pay the few
> > >>> >> >> extra
> > >>> >> >> schekels at West to get
> a
> > quality
> > >>> product.
> > >>> >> >>
> > >>> >> >> As to screws and bolts,
> Stan
> > uses a
> > >>> million bolts
> > >>> >> at the shop.
> > >>> >> >> Maybe older
> > >>> >> >> boats had a mix, but I
> would
> > opt to go to
> > >>> thru
> > >>> >> bolts, all one
> > >>> >> >> million of
> > >>> >> >> them. Also, after you
> > tighten all the
> > >>> first
> > >>> >> time, go around a
> > >>> >> >> second time
> > >>> >> >> and maybe a third. A
> small
> > 1/4"
> > >>> rachet
> > >>> >> works for this job. If
> > >>> >> >> you do not
> > >>> >> >> have one, head for
> Sears
> > and get a
> > >>> Craftsman set.
> > >>> >> >>
> > >>> >> >> It is good to see your
> > post. Are in in
> > >>> contact
> > >>> >> with any other
> > >>> >> >> 'Tidewater'
> > >>> >> >> Rhodies?
> > >>> >> >>
> > >>> >> >> Ed K
> > >>> >> >>
> > >>> >> >>
> > >>> >> >>
> > >>> >> >>
> > >>> >> >> Saroj Gilbert wrote:
> > >>> >> >>
> > >>> >> >>> any chance I can
> ask a
> > question
> > >>> about the
> > >>> >> Rhodes22? LOL...
> > >>> >> >>>
> > >>> >> >>> my centerboard
> would
> > not raise or
> > >>> lower so
> > >>> >> friend and I took the
> > >>> >> >>> cap
> > >>> >> >>> apart; found that
> the
> > blocks had
> > >>> broken off
> > >>> >> the CB; scraped,
> > >>> >> >>> sanded, and
> > >>> >> >>> painted the inside
> of
> > the cap, the
> > >>> well and
> > >>> >> the CB (all
> > >>> >> >>> encrusted with
> > >>> >> >>> barnacles). We
> have it
> > put back
> > >>> together
> > >>> >> except for the cap
> > >>> >> >>> which has the
> > >>> >> >>> gasket which was
> already
> > there...
> > >>> appears in
> > >>> >> pretty good shape. We
> > >>> >> >>> modified some
> blocks
> > which was
> > >>> challenging
> > >>> >> since the attachment
> > >>> >> >>> area is so
> > >>> >> >>> small. Also did
> some
> > fiberglass
> > >>> repair on
> > >>> >> the CB and the keel.
> > >>> >> >>>
> > >>> >> >>> Two questions:
> > >>> >> >>>
> > >>> >> >>> - most of the holes
> had
> > screws but
> > >>> some had
> > >>> >> bolts... I assume
> > >>> >> >>> that an
> > >>> >> >>> earlier owner had
> > stripped out the
> > >>> screw
> > >>> >> holes. Is it likely
> > >>> >> >>> that reusing
> > >>> >> >>> the screws will
> provide
> > sufficient
> > >>> pressure
> > >>> >> to prevent leaks or
> > >>> >> >>> should we
> > >>> >> >>> go to the trouble
> of
> > replacing all
> > >>> with
> > >>> >> bolts... I'd prefer not
> > >>> >> >>> because
> > >>> >> >>> there are so many,
> but
> > I don't
> > >>> want leaks
> > >>> >> obviously.
> > >>> >> >>>
> > >>> >> >>> - what sealant
> should
> > we use? I took
> > >>> off the
> > >>> >> old sealant which
> > >>> >> >>> was a blue
> > >>> >> >>> colored rubbery
> > substance that came
> > >>> off pretty
> > >>> >> easily from both
> > >>> >> >>> sides.
> > >>> >> >>> Roger's
> instructions
> > said to use
> > >>> silicone.
> > >>> >> Is there a
> > >>> >> >>> particular type or
> > >>> >> >>> any old stuff from
> > Lowes? If we use
> > >>> silicon,
> > >>> >> do we need to let
> > >>> >> >>> it cure a
> > >>> >> >>> little before
> clamping
> > down 100% to
> > >>> give it a
> > >>> >> chance to cure?
> > >>> >> >>> (seems to me
> > >>> >> >>> it requires air to
> > start the curing
> > >>> process).
> > >>> >> Has anyone used
> > >>> >> >>> RTV...
> > >>> >> >>> overkill for this
> > application?
> > >>> >> >>>
> > >>> >> >>> I have searched and
>
> > searched for the
> > >>> tech
> > >>> >> info material that was
> > >>> >> >>> created
> > >>> >> >>> and organized
> years ago
> > with no
> > >>> luck. Can
> > >>> >> someone give me a URL
> > >>> >> >>> for it or
> > >>> >> >>> does it no longer
> > exist?
> > >>> >> >>>
> > >>> >> >>> Thanks, Saroj
> > >>> >> >>>
> > >>> >>
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