[Rhodes22-list] Politics - Connect the dots, follow the money - Brad my reply -

Sat Sep 6 17:35:12 EDT 2008

Ed,

The links didn't come through in the attachment so I'll post the
original link with sub links.

http://explorations.chasrmartin.com/2008/09/06/palin-rumors/

Brad

On Sat, Sep 6, 2008 at 2:00 PM, Tootle <ekroposki at charter.net> wrote:
>
> Brad,
>
> Do you think the Obama supporters on this list are interested in following
> the money to the truth?  Not only do they not want the truth when you put it
> in front of them they do not believe it and call you ...
>
> That is why they are progressives, liberals, they are sheep.  Or likely they
> are believers of marxism.
>
> Why is it hard to see what Obama really believes.  It is because he is a
> longtime disciple of Saul Alinsky of Chicago whose mission was to teach
> radicals to disguise their ideology.
>
> I am told, but I will not sign up to the source web site so I am not privy
> to the pictures, that there are pictures of Obama teaching Alinsky methods
> using Alinsky's terms "Power Analysis" and "Relationships Built on Self
> Interest" at the University of Chicago.
>
> His experience as a community organizer was apparently training as a
> Communist organizer.  Again, it must be asked of those supporting Obama, why
> are you a marxist?
>
> Again I quote:
>
> In Germany they first came for the Communists
>    and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist.
>  Then they came for the Jews,
>    and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Jew.
> Then they came for the trade unionists
>     and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a trade unionist.
> Then they came for the Catholics
>     and I didn't speak up because I was a Protestant.
>  Then they came for me
>    and by that time no one was left to speak up.
>
>  --The Reverend Martin Niemöller, a pastor in the German Confessing Church
> who spent seven years in a concentration camp.
>
> Captain Rummy asked why I put labels on people?  Because of the above quote.
> Obama had a direct connection to Alinsky and his words reek with marxism.
> Someone has to say it.
>
> Ed K
> Greenville, SC, USA
> attachment:
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>
>
>
>
> So who is Howard Gutman?  First, he was the attorney that represented
> Susan Rosenberg, a member of the Weather Underground. Little Susan was
> just trying to bring about "hope and change" by unloading dynamite and
> weapons from a car and served 16 years in prison until she was
> pardoned by President Bill Clinton (see attached NYT article).  More
> recently, Mr. Gutman has worked as a lobbyist and is one of 35
> bundlers that have raised over $500,000 for candidate Barack Obama.
> Last Friday, Mr. Gutman said on Laura Ingraham's radio show that Sarah
> Palin shouldn't be running for VP because she has a special needs
> child (no mention that Todd Palin quit his job at BP to avoid a
> conflict-of-interest while his wife was negotiating a pipeline deal
> and is available for care). The response from the Obama campaign when
> questioned about Mr. Gutman's comments and Sen. Obama's stern warning
> that the Palin kids were "off limits" was, "Mr. Gutman does not work
> for the Obama campaign"  Dammit Man! I thought for sure we'd found a
> half-a-million dollars for charity for a moment there.  Obama's
> brother sure could use some dough.  No comment yet from Bill Ayers on
> his thoughts.
>
> Brad
>
> --------------
>
> January 22, 2001
> Officials Criticize Clinton's Pardon of an Ex-Terrorist
> By ERIC LIPTON
>
> An unusual combination of New York political and law enforcement
> leaders have condemned former President Bill Clinton's pardon of Susan
> L. Rosenberg, a one-time member of the Weather Underground terrorist
> group who was charged in the notorious 1981 Brink's robbery in
> Rockland County that left a guard and two police officers dead.
>
> Mayor Rudolph W. Giuliani, a Republican, and United States Senator
> Charles E. Schumer, a Democrat, were among those who criticized the
> pardon, as did Bernard B. Kerik, New York City's police commissioner,
> and David Trois, a Rockland County police union official.
>
> ''It sickened me,'' Mr. Kerik said yesterday of the pardon, one of 140
> granted Saturday, the final day of Mr. Clinton's tenure.
>
> Ms. Rosenberg served 16 years in jail after she was found with a
> companion in New Jersey in 1984 unloading 740 pounds of dynamite and
> weapons, including a submachine gun, from a car. She admitted her role
> in the New Jersey case, in which she had planned to supply others with
> explosives for politically motivated bombings.
>
> At the time of her arrest, she was wanted on charges related to the
> 1981 armed robbery of a Brink's armored car in Nanuet, N.Y., a holdup
> that was supposed to raise money for the Weather Underground and other
> radical groups. But Ms. Rosenberg denied any involvement in the
> Brink's robbery and was never tried on those charges, because Mr.
> Giuliani, then the United States attorney in Manhattan, indicated that
> given her 58-year sentence on the New Jersey weapons charges, there
> was no need to proceed with that case.
>
> She requested a pardon after federal prosecutors in 1999 cited
> evidence of her role in the Brink's case as a reason she should not be
> paroled on the New Jersey charges. Because she was never tried or
> convicted in the Rockland County case, it was unfair to deny her
> parole, her lawyer, Howard Gutman, said yesterday.
>
> ''I am confident that if each of those officials learned the true
> facts of the case, they would applaud the decision and would be
> shocked that Susan was incarcerated as long as she was,'' he said,
> adding that Ms. Rosenberg, who is about 45, was released from federal
> prison on Saturday and moved to her mother's apartment in Manhattan.
>
> Mr. Giuliani, asked yesterday if he regretted not prosecuting Ms.
> Rosenberg on the Brink's charges, said he could not recall the details
> of the case. But even if she was not tried or convicted in the case,
> Ms. Rosenberg did not deserve to be freed, he said. ''She was
> convicted of having in her possession 740 pounds of explosives, a
> submachine gun, weapons,'' the mayor said. ''She admitted she had
> these weapons to give to someone to use in a bombing, and she had been
> involved in a significant number of robberies, bank robberies.''
>
> Senator Schumer said that, even 20 years after the Rockland County
> robbery, the hardship continues for the families of the men killed, so
> Ms. Rosenberg should not have been pardoned.
>
> David Trois, president of the Rockland County Patrolman's Benevolent
> Association, said he remained convinced that Ms. Rosenberg played a
> role in the Brink's robbery and he called the pardon an insult to all
> police officers.
>
> Police Commissioner Kerik had a personal connection to Ms. Rosenberg's
> case. As a commander in the Passaic County Sheriff's Department in the
> mid-1980's, he was part of the security team that accompanied Ms.
> Rosenberg each day to and from her trial at the federal courthouse in
> Newark.
>
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