[Rhodes22-list] A Case for Obama; Calm Yourself Tootle (politics)

[Herb Parsons]

Sorry Slim, you're simply wrong. What you and those like you seem to 
have a hard time with is discerning the difference between opinion and 
fact. And, just like the individual that he seemed to have the biggest 
issue with, he's simply striking out at one he disagrees with.

"Wasted resources" is simply an opinion. You, and the "we must 
surrender" folks view it as "wasted resources". Many disagree with you. 
I'm among those that feel that way. But, it IS opinion.

"Cowboy diplomacy", especially as it relates to Iraq, ignores the FACT 
that the President had the backing of congress. Now, that may have only 
been because Congress was trying to appease a war-ready public, or it 
may have been because they believed the same intel that was provided to 
both President Bush, and President Clinton before him, but the FACT is 
that there was no "cowboy diplomacy", the Congress voted FOR what the 
President did. Oh, and by the way, the nation, for the most part, 
cheered him on at the time.

Of course, you and jr may be having your "senior moments" now, or maybe 
you simply conveniently choose to ignore it. But, I remember.

So, you and jr go ahead back to big fat government teat that you seem to 
want so badly. You are welcome to a different opinion than I, there are 
certainly many that have that, including those that THINK their on the 
same "same page" as I. But, if/when you and jr decide to start throwing 
around stupidity disguised as considered thought, I'll call you on your 
stupidity.

It's funny, there are so many on this list that seem to want to cry foul 
when anyone leaning right calls 'em as they see 'em, but then ignore the 
personal insults when they come from the left.


Steven Alm wrote:
> Herb,
>
> If you want to see a 'no substance' speech, recall McCain's on Thur night at
> the RNC.
>
> Ben's post was full of substance and no exaggeration.
>
> On Sun, Sep 7, 2008 at 1:04 AM, Herb Parsons <hparsons at parsonsys.com> wrote:
>
>   
>> Sorry Slim, I disagree. It was hyperbole. Phrases with no substance.
>>
>> Steven Alm wrote:
>>     
>>> "it's
>>> just more political hyperbole."
>>>
>>> No it's not, Herb, it's ideology.
>>>
>>> "Remember, when you do those things, they say a lot about who you are."
>>>
>>> Damn right!
>>>
>>> Slim
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Sep 6, 2008 at 6:06 PM, Herb Parsons <hparsons at parsonsys.com>
>>>       
>> wrote:
>>     
>>>       
>>>> And Ben, you, by the same token, can throw terms like "really dangerous
>>>> bad guys", "waste our resources", "cowboyd diplomacy", "abuses of our
>>>> ... constitution", "reproductive choices" (you folks just HATE calling
>>>> it "killing embryos, don't you?), etc etc. around. When you do so, it's
>>>> just more political hyperbole.
>>>>
>>>> it's
>>>> just more political hyperbole.
>>>>
>>>> And, no recommendations on beverages, just a suggestion for a little
>>>> self-reflection and a dropping of stones.
>>>>
>>>> Ben Cittadino wrote:
>>>>
>>>>         
>>>>>  Tootle & Other Colleagues;
>>>>>
>>>>> I suggest there are explanations for those of us who intend (if the
>>>>>           
>> Good
>>     
>>>> Lord is willing and the creek don't rise) to vote for Senator Obama
>>>>         
>> other
>>     
>>>> than those put forward in your latest screed. I prefer to focus on
>>>>         
>> policy
>>     
>>>> issues as they relate to both candidates, rather than the hysterical
>>>> rantings of fearful conspiracy theorists.  People who support Obama tend
>>>>         
>> to
>>     
>>>> want us out of Iraq sooner rather than later, want us to focus on the
>>>>         
>> really
>>     
>>>> dangerous bad guys in Afghanistan rather than waste our resources
>>>>         
>> chasing
>>     
>>>> folks who don't matter in the wrong place.  We tend to be the people who
>>>> believe collaborative efforts overseas are more likely to be in our long
>>>> term best interests more than cowboy diplomacy.  We tend to think Sen
>>>>         
>> Obama
>>     
>>>> may be more likely to be accepted as an honest broker between the
>>>>         
>> Israeli
>>     
>>>> Government and the Palestinians to bring about the two-state solution
>>>>         
>> all
>>     
>>>> reasonable people want in that theater.  We believe Obama is more likely
>>>>         
>> to
>>     
>>>> appoint Federal Judges w!
>>>>  ho!
>>>>
>>>>         
>>>>>   understand that they are the last best defense between the potential
>>>>>
>>>>>           
>>>> abuses of our wonderful Constitutional Rights by an out-of-control
>>>>         
>> Executive
>>     
>>>> branch, and who will guard "The Great Writ"(habeas corpus), the single
>>>>         
>> most
>>     
>>>> powerful human rights tool since the creation of the planet, against the
>>>> Dick Cheney wannabes.  We believe Obama is more likely to support
>>>>         
>> federal
>>     
>>>> policies encouraging embryonic stem cell research, climate change
>>>>         
>> research,
>>     
>>>> alternative fuels, support of the public schools, teaching of Darwinian
>>>> natural selection (evolution) as opposed to Biblical Creation Science
>>>>         
>> (?).
>>     
>>>>  We don't view gays who want to make the same commitments to each other
>>>>         
>> as
>>     
>>>> heterosexuals as a threat, and we're happy to have them serve their
>>>>         
>> country
>>     
>>>> in the military, and we think Obama is more likely to adopt policies
>>>>         
>> toward
>>     
>>>> those ends. We think the reproductive choices made by women are none of
>>>>         
>> our
>>     
>>>> or the government's business and we have good reason to believe Obama is
>>>> more likely to fe!
>>>>  el!
>>>>
>>>>         
>>>>>   the same way and act accordingly.
>>>>> Tootle, you can throw words like marxism and sheep around all you want.
>>>>>
>>>>>           
>>>>  Just remember if you do it it says alot more about you than it does
>>>>         
>> about
>>     
>>>> us.
>>>>
>>>>         
>>>>> One friendly suggestion.  Maybe you should switch to decaf .
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers!
>>>>> Ben C., s/v Susan Kay, Hughlands, NJ
>>>>>
>>>>> "Steer toward the iceberg, and speed up!"- George W. Bush
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