[Rhodes22-list] A Case for Obama; Calm Yourself Tootle

[Brad Haslett]

Ben,

Always good to hear from someone who knows about "Vinegar Joe", a true
American hero and friend of China during a time of need.

You, like probably everyone on this list, are most likely not a
"Marxist" but are being duped into supporting a "Marxist" candidate
because he hasn't been properly vetted.  In less than a week we've
learned from the MSM nearly everything about Sarah Palin.  Much of the
"news" revealed turned out to be completely and totally false.  The
same MSM has had at least 19 months to vet "The One" but chooses to
ignore what is a disturbing number of associations. In "Dreams From My
Father", young Barry tells us the story of studying with his mentor
"Frank".  This is Frank Marshal Davis, avowed communist and Soviet
sympathizer - do a google search. Barry ends-up in Chicago as a
"community organizer" which is supposed to conjure images of a
"volunteer" when in fact it really means paid political operative.
There he studies Saul Alinsky (avowed communist) methods of organizing
(Alinsky was dead by then but his underlings were still around) and
joins a radical church promoting "Black Liberation Theology" (a
Marxist doctrine if there ever was one), and names his second book
after a sermon by Rev. Wright of "God Damn America" fame.  This is
just a partial list.  Most of the big ticket projects "The One" was
involved with as a "community organizer" were dismal failures and in
the case of the Annenberg Challenge, he was hand-picked by Bill Ayers
(unrepentant domestic terrorist) and after working together several
years, Ayers and his terrorist wife, Bernadine Dohrn, launch "The One"
into politics with a reception at their home.  The MSM doesn't want to
cover these stories, not because they aren't true - they don't fit
their meme of choosing the next President. Are you a Marxist for
supporting Obama for President?  No, not necessarily, but you are
supporting a Marxist idiology whether you know it or not.

Sarah Palin has upset the equation and the far left and the MSM is
doing everything they can to discredit her.  She hates gays!  Well,
not exactly, she believes marriage is between opposite sexes but the
first bill she vetoed as Guv was one that would have denied medical
benefits to domestic partners of state employees.  She's
anti-abortion!  She is, and she walks the walk in her personal life.
She's also from a very libertarian state and has governed with a
libertarian attitude. She has never advocated overturning Roe v Wade
as far as my research has revealed, but a lot of folks like myself
have issues with Roe v Wade because abortion is an issue that should
have been legislated by the states and not from the court.  If it ever
is overturned, very little will change but for a few places (Utah
comes to mind).

Now go back to your homework assignment and tell me where I'm wrong
about Barry's two decade long associations with Marxists, radicals,
and convicted felons.

Brad



On Sun, Sep 7, 2008 at 10:02 AM, Ben Cittadino <bigben65 at earthlink.net> wrote:
> My Dear Culture Warriors;
>
> So....are we having fun yet?
>
> First, I'd like to thank Richard and Slim for stepping up to join the "Assault on the Citadel".
> The bullets don't sting as much when the adversary's fire is spread out among more than one target.
> In the words first uttered by Gen. "Vinegar Joe" Stillwell, "illegitimi non carborundum".
>
> As for Tootle, Brad, and Herb, you guys crack me up.  I posted about Obama only because I saw Tootle's post that
> suggested anybody supporting Obama was either a marxist, or a farm animal.  What did he expect when he said that?
> Herb, where was your outrage that Tootle would refer to some of his fellow "Rhodies" in such derogatry terms? Supporting Obama or McCain
> may turn out to be right or wrong, but if we debate policy and don't engage in mere name-calling this "sailor's bar"  could be an interesting place.
>
> Richard's "geezer" remarks are defensible on several grounds. First, he was provoked. Second, he was defending ME.
> Third, it was funny. Calling someone a "marxist" as Tootle did is several magnitudes worse than gentle kidding of the
> "old fart" kind. Surely you see the difference.
>
> The positions I tried to lay out as reasons some people support Obama were intended as an outline of ideology (as Slim noted),
> not an argument supporting any position.  For example, Herb, you are pro-life and will probably vote for McCain/Palin in part for that reason.
> I am pro-choice, pro-embryonic stem cell research and so I will support Obama/Biden in part for that reason.  It is not hyperbole to  point out
> the policy differences that explain my choice.  What I know for sure is that marxism and "sheepiness" have nothing to do with it. I have thought about all of my positions on the issues I mentioned and am completely prepared to explain and justify them.  In Brad's oft' repeated mantra I know I have "done my homework".
>
> Enough for today. The games will be on soon.
>
> Cheers!
>
> Ben C. , s/v Susan Kay, Highlands, NJ
>
>
>
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