[Rhodes22-list] Praise Jesus, the Republicans are going to save us from the Republicans
Herb Parsons
hparsons at parsonsys.com
Mon Sep 8 15:11:28 EDT 2008
Really. And you know this how? And yes, I did call you an extremist.
Anyone that says that a person is not fit for office because of their
religious beliefs alone is likely an extremist. You most certainly are.
Steven Alm wrote:
> "Ahh, so the "tolerant" lefty has a litmus test for religious beliefs."
>
> Yes, I require that the candidates be sane, critical thinkers. Palin is
> obviously not. I wouldn't say that if she were a Catholic or a Lutheran but
> here's a woman who wants to stare down the whole scientific community and
> deny things like carbon 14 dating and declare that the heavens and earth are
> only a few thousand years old. You didn't just call ME an extremist, did
> you?
>
> Brad, you left out the part of Kroon saying that his parishioners should
> pray for the completion of the pipeline because at the end of the world,
> folks will flock to Alaska as their final refuge.
>
> I can't believe that was you quoting all that God stuff.
>
> Slim
>
> On Mon, Sep 8, 2008 at 12:18 PM, Steven Alm <stevenalm at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>> "She's already demonstrated that she is fully capable of separating her
>> personal beliefs from her duties."
>>
>> Wouldn't it be better if she didn't have to?
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Sep 8, 2008 at 6:18 AM, Herb Parsons <hparsons at parsonsys.com>wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Ahh, so the "tolerant" lefty has a litmus test for religious beliefs.
>>> She's already demonstrated that she is fully capable of separating her
>>> personal beliefs from her duties. She vetoed a bill that would have
>>> denied benefits to gay couples.
>>>
>>> But, you extremists keep it up, I'm sure you'll find (or make up)
>>> SOMETHING on her.
>>>
>>> Steven Alm wrote:
>>>
>>>> She's a creationist. Her Assembly of God stuff is a deal breaker for
>>>>
>>> me.
>>>
>>>> Religious extremism cannot be tolerated.
>>>>
>>>> The most important legacy the president leaves is the appointment of the
>>>> supreme court.
>>>> The next pres might appoint as many as three. If Sarabaracuda has her
>>>>
>>> way,
>>>
>>>> say goodbye to Roe V. Wade and hello to back-ally coat hanger
>>>>
>>> abortions.
>>>
>>>> Slim
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Sep 7, 2008 at 6:14 PM, Herb Parsons <hparsons at parsonsys.com>
>>>>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>> I think it's funny that the candidate that was considered as a running
>>>>> mate for the Democratic choice a few years back, is now being touted as
>>>>> "more of the same". Keep trying though, you guys may find something
>>>>>
>>> that
>>>
>>>>> works.
>>>>>
>>>>> What exactly makes Palin a "religious kook", that fact that's she
>>>>> religious? I think your colors are beginning to show.
>>>>>
>>>>> petelargo wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Ben, thanks for your post. As you may have noticed, there is no
>>>>>>
>>> dialogue
>>>
>>>>> with
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> the right-wing extremists. You are wrong, end of discussion and your
>>>>>>
>>> an
>>>
>>>>>> idiot to boot.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> When John McCain won the nomination, Bush disappears overseas. At the
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> RNC,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> no Bush, no Cheney (and no mention of them). They know it's a failed
>>>>>> administration. Where were the solutions. Once again, they are trying
>>>>>>
>>> to
>>>
>>>>>> frame the campaign as an ideology argument rather than an issues
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> discussion.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Today on Face the Nation, "Sis Cum Ba and WHA-LAA", McCain is now the
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> change
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> candidate and stated that he will end the incredible corruption in
>>>>>> Washington and the failed policies. John McCain has re-defined a whole
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> new
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> level of flip-flopping on over two dozen key issues within the last
>>>>>>
>>> eight
>>>
>>>>>> years including his own authored bill that he was for and now against.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I couldn't give a poop about the experience argument of Palin vs
>>>>>>
>>> Obama.
>>>
>>>>> It's
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> a waste of time. The entire Bush-Cheney-Rumsfeld-Rice-Rove, etc
>>>>>> administration could be argued to be the most experienced
>>>>>>
>>> administration
>>>
>>>>> in
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> the history of the White House. A huge amount of prior "executive
>>>>>> experience". For the first time in recent politics the Republicans
>>>>>>
>>> had
>>>
>>>>> the
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> power in the white house, judicial, house and senate. How was it for
>>>>>>
>>> you?
>>>
>>>>>> It's one thing to drive a tractor trailer up our butts, but when they
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> start
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> blowing on the horn while there're doing it, it's really gone too far.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A big thank you for the memories: the debt, the dead, the twisting
>>>>>> intelligence to "sell" us a war on a country that did not attack us,
>>>>>>
>>> the
>>>
>>>>>> good ol boy ineffectual cronyism, and finally the shredding of the
>>>>>> constitution. With Palin we now we get to have another religious kook
>>>>>>
>>> to
>>>
>>>>>> satisfy the so-called conservative extremist religious right to
>>>>>>
>>> 'bridge'
>>>
>>>>>> them into this administration and get money.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Spending 5-10 billion dollars a month on Iraq and kissing chinese ass
>>>>>> (borrowing the money) of the most Marxist suppressive government on
>>>>>>
>>> the
>>>
>>>>>> planet at this time is a conservative value?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Finally, the biggest hypocrisy of all . That these extremists actually
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> think
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> that they and the republicans are the vanguards of conservatism? The
>>>>>>
>>> two
>>>
>>>>>> top key pillars of conservatism are less government and government
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> intrusion
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> and fiscal responsibility. The only administration that walked that
>>>>>>
>>> talk
>>>
>>>>> in
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> 50 years was a Democrat that left Bush a 500 billion dollar surplus.
>>>>>>
>>> He
>>>
>>>>> blew
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> threw that in one year and it was prior to 9-11. And there is no
>>>>>>
>>> greater
>>>
>>>>>> government intrusion that being told what you can or cannot do with or
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> put
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> into your body. Palin wants privacy for her family decisions, but she
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> wants
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> to legislate publicly what you should do with yours. No thanks.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ben Cittadino-2 wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> My Dear Culture Warriors;
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So....are we having fun yet?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> First, I'd like to thank Richard and Slim for stepping up to join the
>>>>>>> "Assault on the Citadel".
>>>>>>> The bullets don't sting as much when the adversary's fire is spread
>>>>>>>
>>> out
>>>
>>>>>>> among more than one target.
>>>>>>> In the words first uttered by Gen. "Vinegar Joe" Stillwell,
>>>>>>>
>>> "illegitimi
>>>
>>>>>>> non carborundum".
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> As for Tootle, Brad, and Herb, you guys crack me up. I posted about
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>> Obama
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>> only because I saw Tootle's post that
>>>>>>> suggested anybody supporting Obama was either a marxist, or a farm
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>> animal.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>> What did he expect when he said that?
>>>>>>> Herb, where was your outrage that Tootle would refer to some of his
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>> fellow
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Rhodies" in such derogatry terms? Supporting Obama or McCain
>>>>>>> may turn out to be right or wrong, but if we debate policy and don't
>>>>>>> engage in mere name-calling this "sailor's bar" could be an
>>>>>>>
>>> interesting
>>>
>>>>>>> place.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Richard's "geezer" remarks are defensible on several grounds. First,
>>>>>>>
>>> he
>>>
>>>>>>> was provoked. Second, he was defending ME.
>>>>>>> Third, it was funny. Calling someone a "marxist" as Tootle did is
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>> several
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>> magnitudes worse than gentle kidding of the
>>>>>>> "old fart" kind. Surely you see the difference.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The positions I tried to lay out as reasons some people support Obama
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>> were
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>> intended as an outline of ideology (as Slim noted),
>>>>>>> not an argument supporting any position. For example, Herb, you are
>>>>>>> pro-life and will probably vote for McCain/Palin in part for that
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>> reason.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>> I am pro-choice, pro-embryonic stem cell research and so I will
>>>>>>>
>>> support
>>>
>>>>>>> Obama/Biden in part for that reason. It is not hyperbole to point
>>>>>>>
>>> out
>>>
>>>>>>> the policy differences that explain my choice. What I know for sure
>>>>>>>
>>> is
>>>
>>>>>>> that marxism and "sheepiness" have nothing to do with it. I have
>>>>>>>
>>> thought
>>>
>>>>>>> about all of my positions on the issues I mentioned and am completely
>>>>>>> prepared to explain and justify them. In Brad's oft' repeated mantra
>>>>>>>
>>> I
>>>
>>>>>>> know I have "done my homework".
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Enough for today. The games will be on soon.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Cheers!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ben C. , s/v Susan Kay, Highlands, NJ
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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