[Rhodes22-list] Praise Jesus, the Republicans are going to save us from the Republicans

Brad Haslett flybrad at gmail.com
Mon Sep 8 17:56:33 EDT 2008 

Slim,

The book looks interesting, I'll put it in the que. I went to the
Harris website and read the comment by Dawkins, the author of "The
Selfish Gene" which I have read.

You're missing the obvious here, trashing Palin for her faith really
pisses people off in the "flyover" states.  Minnesota is now in play.
Remember, Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton were Southern Baptists, and in
the case of Bubba when he got busted for violating the 11th
commandment, "Thou Shalt Not Stain Thy Intern's Dress", his spiritual
adviser was Jesse Jackson of "I'd like to cut his nuts off" fame.

Boomerangs are wonderful toys until you forget to duck!

Brad



On Mon, Sep 8, 2008 at 1:22 PM, Steven Alm <stevenalm at gmail.com> wrote:
> On the topic of religion, please read "A Letter To A Cristian Nation" by Sam
> Harris.
> It should be required reading for anyone who discusses religion.
> Slim
>
> On Mon, Sep 8, 2008 at 1:11 PM, Steven Alm <stevenalm at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> "Ahh, so the "tolerant" lefty has a litmus test for religious beliefs."
>>
>> Yes, I require that the candidates be sane, critical thinkers.  Palin is
>> obviously not.  I wouldn't say that if she were a Catholic or a Lutheran but
>> here's a woman who wants to stare down the whole scientific community and
>> deny things like carbon 14 dating and declare that the heavens and earth are
>> only a few thousand years old.  You didn't just call ME an extremist, did
>> you?
>>
>> Brad, you left out the part of Kroon saying that his parishioners should
>> pray for the completion of the pipeline because at the end of the world,
>> folks will flock to Alaska as their final refuge.
>>
>> I can't believe that was you quoting all that God stuff.
>>
>> Slim
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Sep 8, 2008 at 12:18 PM, Steven Alm <stevenalm at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> "She's already demonstrated that she is fully capable of separating her
>>> personal beliefs from her duties."
>>>
>>> Wouldn't it be better if she didn't have to?
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Sep 8, 2008 at 6:18 AM, Herb Parsons <hparsons at parsonsys.com>wrote:
>>>
>>>> Ahh, so the "tolerant" lefty has a litmus test for religious beliefs.
>>>> She's already demonstrated that she is fully capable of separating her
>>>> personal beliefs from her duties. She vetoed a bill that would have
>>>> denied benefits to gay couples.
>>>>
>>>> But, you extremists keep it up, I'm sure you'll find (or make up)
>>>> SOMETHING on her.
>>>>
>>>> Steven Alm wrote:
>>>> > She's a creationist.  Her Assembly of God stuff is a deal breaker for
>>>> me.
>>>> > Religious extremism cannot be tolerated.
>>>> >
>>>> > The most important legacy the president leaves is the appointment of
>>>> the
>>>> > supreme court.
>>>> > The next pres might appoint as many as three.  If Sarabaracuda has her
>>>> way,
>>>> > say goodbye to Roe V. Wade and hello to back-ally coat hanger
>>>>  abortions.
>>>> >
>>>> > Slim
>>>> >
>>>> > On Sun, Sep 7, 2008 at 6:14 PM, Herb Parsons <hparsons at parsonsys.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >> I think it's funny that the candidate that was considered as a running
>>>> >> mate for the Democratic choice a few years back, is now being touted
>>>> as
>>>> >> "more of the same". Keep trying though, you guys may find something
>>>> that
>>>> >> works.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> What exactly makes Palin a "religious kook", that fact that's she
>>>> >> religious? I think your colors are beginning to show.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> petelargo wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> >>> Ben, thanks for your post. As you may have noticed, there is no
>>>> dialogue
>>>> >>>
>>>> >> with
>>>> >>
>>>> >>> the right-wing extremists. You are wrong, end of discussion and your
>>>> an
>>>> >>> idiot to boot.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> When John McCain won the nomination, Bush disappears overseas. At the
>>>> >>>
>>>> >> RNC,
>>>> >>
>>>> >>> no Bush, no Cheney (and no mention of them). They know it's a failed
>>>> >>> administration. Where were the solutions. Once again, they are trying
>>>> to
>>>> >>> frame the campaign as an ideology argument rather than an issues
>>>> >>>
>>>> >> discussion.
>>>> >>
>>>> >>> Today on Face the Nation, "Sis Cum Ba and WHA-LAA", McCain is now the
>>>> >>>
>>>> >> change
>>>> >>
>>>> >>> candidate and stated that he will end the incredible corruption in
>>>> >>> Washington and the failed policies. John McCain has re-defined a
>>>> whole
>>>> >>>
>>>> >> new
>>>> >>
>>>> >>> level of flip-flopping on over two dozen key issues within the last
>>>> eight
>>>> >>> years including his own authored bill that he was for and now
>>>> against.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> I couldn't give a poop about the experience argument of Palin vs
>>>> Obama.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >> It's
>>>> >>
>>>> >>> a waste of time.  The entire Bush-Cheney-Rumsfeld-Rice-Rove, etc
>>>> >>> administration could be argued to be the most experienced
>>>> administration
>>>> >>>
>>>> >> in
>>>> >>
>>>> >>> the history of the White House. A huge amount of prior "executive
>>>> >>> experience".  For the first time in recent politics the Republicans
>>>> had
>>>> >>>
>>>> >> the
>>>> >>
>>>> >>> power in the white house, judicial, house and senate. How was it for
>>>> you?
>>>> >>> It's one thing to drive a tractor trailer up our butts, but when they
>>>> >>>
>>>> >> start
>>>> >>
>>>> >>> blowing on the horn while there're doing it, it's really gone too
>>>> far.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> A big thank you for the memories: the debt, the dead, the twisting
>>>> >>> intelligence to "sell" us a war on a country that did not attack us,
>>>> the
>>>> >>> good ol boy ineffectual cronyism, and finally the shredding of the
>>>> >>> constitution. With Palin we now we get to have another religious kook
>>>> to
>>>> >>> satisfy the so-called conservative extremist religious right to
>>>> 'bridge'
>>>> >>> them into this administration and get money.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> Spending 5-10 billion dollars a month on Iraq and kissing chinese ass
>>>> >>> (borrowing the money) of the most Marxist suppressive government on
>>>> the
>>>> >>> planet at this time is a conservative value?
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> Finally, the biggest hypocrisy of all . That these extremists
>>>> actually
>>>> >>>
>>>> >> think
>>>> >>
>>>> >>> that they and the republicans are the vanguards of conservatism?  The
>>>> two
>>>> >>> top key pillars of conservatism are less government and government
>>>> >>>
>>>> >> intrusion
>>>> >>
>>>> >>> and fiscal responsibility.  The only administration that walked that
>>>> talk
>>>> >>>
>>>> >> in
>>>> >>
>>>> >>> 50 years was a Democrat that left Bush a 500 billion dollar surplus.
>>>> He
>>>> >>>
>>>> >> blew
>>>> >>
>>>> >>> threw that in one year and it was prior to 9-11.  And there is no
>>>> greater
>>>> >>> government intrusion that being told what you can or cannot do with
>>>> or
>>>> >>>
>>>> >> put
>>>> >>
>>>> >>> into your body. Palin wants privacy for her family decisions, but she
>>>> >>>
>>>> >> wants
>>>> >>
>>>> >>> to legislate publicly what you should do with yours. No thanks.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> Ben Cittadino-2 wrote:
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>> My Dear Culture Warriors;
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> So....are we having fun yet?
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> First, I'd like to thank Richard and Slim for stepping up to join
>>>> the
>>>> >>>> "Assault on the Citadel".
>>>> >>>> The bullets don't sting as much when the adversary's fire is spread
>>>> out
>>>> >>>> among more than one target.
>>>> >>>> In the words first uttered by Gen. "Vinegar Joe" Stillwell,
>>>> "illegitimi
>>>> >>>> non carborundum".
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> As for Tootle, Brad, and Herb, you guys crack me up.  I posted about
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >> Obama
>>>> >>
>>>> >>>> only because I saw Tootle's post that
>>>> >>>> suggested anybody supporting Obama was either a marxist, or a farm
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >> animal.
>>>> >>
>>>> >>>> What did he expect when he said that?
>>>> >>>> Herb, where was your outrage that Tootle would refer to some of his
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >> fellow
>>>> >>
>>>> >>>> "Rhodies" in such derogatry terms? Supporting Obama or McCain
>>>> >>>> may turn out to be right or wrong, but if we debate policy and don't
>>>> >>>> engage in mere name-calling this "sailor's bar"  could be an
>>>> interesting
>>>> >>>> place.
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> Richard's "geezer" remarks are defensible on several grounds. First,
>>>> he
>>>> >>>> was provoked. Second, he was defending ME.
>>>> >>>> Third, it was funny. Calling someone a "marxist" as Tootle did is
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >> several
>>>> >>
>>>> >>>> magnitudes worse than gentle kidding of the
>>>> >>>> "old fart" kind. Surely you see the difference.
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> The positions I tried to lay out as reasons some people support
>>>> Obama
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >> were
>>>> >>
>>>> >>>> intended as an outline of ideology (as Slim noted),
>>>> >>>> not an argument supporting any position.  For example, Herb, you are
>>>> >>>> pro-life and will probably vote for McCain/Palin in part for that
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >> reason.
>>>> >>
>>>> >>>> I am pro-choice, pro-embryonic stem cell research and so I will
>>>> support
>>>> >>>> Obama/Biden in part for that reason.  It is not hyperbole to  point
>>>> out
>>>> >>>> the policy differences that explain my choice.  What I know for sure
>>>> is
>>>> >>>> that marxism and "sheepiness" have nothing to do with it. I have
>>>> thought
>>>> >>>> about all of my positions on the issues I mentioned and am
>>>> completely
>>>> >>>> prepared to explain and justify them.  In Brad's oft' repeated
>>>> mantra I
>>>> >>>> know I have "done my homework".
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> Enough for today. The games will be on soon.
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> Cheers!
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> Ben C. , s/v Susan Kay, Highlands, NJ
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>
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