[Rhodes22-list] Praise Jesus, the "evolutionists" are going to save us from the Republicans

Tue Sep 9 03:15:52 EDT 2008

Sorry, Herb, you didn't get it done.

Slim

On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 2:11 AM, Herb Parsons <hparsons at parsonsys.com> wrote:

> Great news. I got a dem to abstain. That's as good as half a vote. We'll
> get this thing locked down yet!
>
> Steven Alm wrote:
> > Herb,
> >
> > Yep, I think he's a kook too.
> >
> > I might actually refuse to vote this time because there are no candidates
> > who represent me.  I'm sick of voting for the lesser of two evils.
> >
> > Slim
> >
> > On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 1:37 AM, Herb Parsons <hparsons at parsonsys.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >
> >> Gee Steve, looks like your choices are going to be a bit slim.
> >>
> >> Biden's a practicing Roman Catholic. When asked about abortion, he said
> >> it's a personal matter, but for him, he accepts the teachings of his
> >> church. That he "accepts as a matter of faith that life begins at
> >> conception". In other words, he should be equally disqualified as Palin,
> >> since he would have to put aside his personal beliefs.
> >>
> >> Some of the beliefs that the Roman Catholic Church practices, teachings
> >> which Biden said he accepts are:
> >>
> >> That God is the creator of everything, "of all that is seen and unseen".
> >>
> >> They believe in transubstantiation </wiki/Transubstantiation>, that the
> >> communion bread and wine is miraculously converted, upon consecration by
> >> the priest, into the actual body and blood of Jesus Christ.
> >>
> >> They believe in Apostolic Succession, meaning that the priests are
> >> descendants of the original 12 apostles. This descendancy can be
> >> obtained by the sacrament of ordination by an ordained bishop.
> >>
> >> I could go on, but I think even you get the point, besides, I would have
> >> to go get my catechism books to remember it all.
> >>
> >> So Steve, does the above mean that Biden is a a "religious kook", and
> >> that you cannot vote for him, or is HIS "kookiness" covered by a
> >> hypocritical  covering that he leans left?
> >>
> >>
> >> Steven Alm wrote:
> >>
> >>> Todd,
> >>>
> >>> I'm an atheist and I think Palin's a religious kook.  And you're right,
> I
> >>> won't vote for a religious kook.  I haven't studied Darwin very much
> (and
> >>>
> >> I
> >>
> >>> applaud your research and quotes) but I don't think that's the only
> >>>
> >> rebuke
> >>
> >>> to creationism.  Since most of the species of plant and animal life on
> >>>
> >> this
> >>
> >>> earth are in fact extinct, I'd call that "unintelligent design."
> >>>
> >>> You said there are only two possibilities as to how life started.  Are
> >>>
> >> you
> >>
> >>> sure?  How do you know this?  What I know is that all religions serve
> in
> >>> answering three questions:  Where did we come from, how do we live and
> >>>
> >> what
> >>
> >>> happens when we die?  Myself, I've answered those questions to my own
> >>> satisfaction and I don't need the church to tell me anything.
> >>>
> >>> Slim
> >>>
> >>> On Mon, Sep 8, 2008 at 5:32 PM, Todd Tavares <sprocket80 at mail.com>
> >>>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>>
> >>>> Slim, Wow!  are you are going to vote for Obama because he is a
> Marxist
> >>>> or not vote for McCain just because Palin is a religious extremist?
> :^D
> >>>> Glad you mentioned carbon dating.  Carbon has been proven by many
> >>>> scientists to be a wholly inaccurate method of dating.  I am far from
> >>>> being a scientist...or a religious kook thinking the earth is only a
> >>>> couple of thousand of years old, but there is just as much scientific
> >>>> information out there to; while not proving creation is the truth,
> >>>>
> >> surely
> >>
> >>>> proves evolution is improbable if not impossible.  You are/were an
> >>>> educator and were taught evolution from a text book, like we all were.
> >>>> Just because you read something in a text book does not make it truth.
> >>>> http://www.darwins-theory-of-evolution.com/ Maybe we could all
> stomach
> >>>> creationism if we called it a theory too. After all that is what
> >>>> evolution is...just an unproven theory. There are equally as many
> >>>> scientists out there who believe they have proven evolution is myth.
> It
> >>>> was not Darwin's brainstorm anyway.  He thought he could further
> explain
> >>>> a centuries old belief; that life arose from non life and everything
> >>>> sprang from a common ancestor. Modern scientists say it was that first
> >>>> amino acid or protein chain in the pool of "primordial ooze."  I like
> >>>>
> >> how
> >>
> >>>> one Nobel prize winner (Biology 1967?) put it:
> >>>>
> >>>> "There are only two possibilities as to how life arose; one is
> >>>> spontaneous generation arising to evolution, the other is a
> supernatural
> >>>> creative act of God, there is no third possibility. Spontaneous
> >>>> generation that life arose from non-living matter was scientifically
> >>>> disproved 120 years ago by Louis Pasteur and others. That leaves us
> with
> >>>> only one possible conclusion, that life arose as a creative act of
> God.
> >>>>
> >> I
> >>
> >>>> will not accept that philosophically because I do not want to believe
> in
> >>>> God, therefore I choose to believe in that which I know is
> >>>>
> >> scientifically
> >>
> >>>> impossible, spontaneous generation arising to evolution."
> >>>>
> >>>> (Dr. George Wald, evolutionist, Professor Emeritus of Biology at the
> >>>> University at Harvard, Nobel Prize winner in Biology.)
> >>>>
> >>>> But the most interesting fact is that even Darwin himself realized
> >>>> evolution was not workable.
> >>>>
> >>>> "To suppose that the eye, with all its inimitable contrivances for
> >>>> adjusting the focus to different distances, for admitting different
> >>>> amounts of light, and for the correction of spherical and chromatic
> >>>> aberration, could have formed by natural selection, seems, I freely
> >>>> confess, absurd in the highest degree possible." (Charles Darwin, "The
> >>>> origin of species by means of natural selection")
> >>>>
> >>>> "If it could be demonstrated that any complex organ existed which
> could
> >>>> not possibly have been formed by numerous, successive, slight
> >>>> modifications, my theory would absolutely break down."  (Charles
> Darwin,
> >>>> "The Origin of Species")
> >>>>
> >>>> "Often a cold shudder has run through me, and I have asked myself
> >>>>
> >> whether
> >>
> >>>> I may have not devoted myself to a fantasy."  (Charles Darwin, Life
> and
> >>>> Letters, 1887, Vol. 2, p. 229)
> >>>>
> >>>> I could post a few hundred quotes from noted doctors and scientists to
> >>>> try to "prove" evolution wrong or creation right. I could "do my
> >>>> homework" as we say here on the list and cite actual findings, but
> that
> >>>> is not necessary. Because to dismiss the possibility of God or some
> >>>>
> >> other
> >>
> >>>> Intelligent Designer makes it easier to accept our notions that it is
> ok
> >>>> to be a homosexual (and not allow me a choice when the schools teach
> >>>>
> >> this
> >>
> >>>> gargage to my kids while denying the right to learn about the theory
> of
> >>>> creation along with evolution) or that it should be a crime to kill a
> >>>> tree, but ok to kill an unborn baby. Not to say everyone believing in
> >>>> evolution is an athiest (or a Democrat), but you have made me see this
> >>>>
> >> as
> >>
> >>>> a hinge factor in how I will vote....real issues aside.
> >>>>
> >>>> Todd T
> >>>>
> >>>> Besides, it is not very PC to say we evolved (were "selected") from
> >>>>
> >> apes.
> >>
> >>>> We don't want any of the apes that were not selected to be made to
> feel
> >>>> inferior.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>   ----- Original Message -----
> >>>> From: "Steven Alm"
> >>>> To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List"
> >>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Praise Jesus, the Republicans are going
> to
> >>>> save us from the Republicans
> >>>> Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 13:11:17 -0500
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> "Ahh, so the "tolerant" lefty has a litmus test for religious
> beliefs."
> >>>>
> >>>> Yes, I require that the candidates be sane, critical thinkers. Palin
> is
> >>>> obviously not. I wouldn't say that if she were a Catholic or a
> Lutheran
> >>>> but
> >>>> here's a woman who wants to stare down the whole scientific community
> >>>>
> >> and
> >>
> >>>> deny things like carbon 14 dating and declare that the heavens and
> earth
> >>>> are
> >>>> only a few thousand years old. You didn't just call ME an extremist,
> did
> >>>> you?
> >>>>
> >>>> Brad, you left out the part of Kroon saying that his parishioners
> should
> >>>> pray for the completion of the pipeline because at the end of the
> world,
> >>>> folks will flock to Alaska as their final refuge.
> >>>>
> >>>> I can't believe that was you quoting all that God stuff.
> >>>>
> >>>> Slim
> >>>>
> >>>> On Mon, Sep 8, 2008 at 12:18 PM, Steven Alm wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> "She's already demonstrated that she is fully capable of separating
> her
> >>>>> personal beliefs from her duties."
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Wouldn't it be better if she didn't have to?
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Mon, Sep 8, 2008 at 6:18 AM, Herb Parsons wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Ahh, so the "tolerant" lefty has a litmus test for religious
> beliefs.
> >>>>>> She's already demonstrated that she is fully capable of separating
> her
> >>>>>> personal beliefs from her duties. She vetoed a bill that would have
> >>>>>> denied benefits to gay couples.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> But, you extremists keep it up, I'm sure you'll find (or make up)
> >>>>>> SOMETHING on her.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Steven Alm wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> She's a creationist. Her Assembly of God stuff is a deal breaker
> for
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>> me.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Religious extremism cannot be tolerated.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> The most important legacy the president leaves is the appointment
> of
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>> the
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>>> supreme court.
> >>>>>>> The next pres might appoint as many as three. If Sarabaracuda has
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>> her
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>> way,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> say goodbye to Roe V. Wade and hello to back-ally coat hanger
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>> abortions.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Slim
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On Sun, Sep 7, 2008 at 6:14 PM, Herb Parsons
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> I think it's funny that the candidate that was considered as a
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>> running
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>>>> mate for the Democratic choice a few years back, is now being
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>> touted as
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>>>> "more of the same". Keep trying though, you guys may find
> something
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>> that
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> works.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> What exactly makes Palin a "religious kook", that fact that's she
> >>>>>>>> religious? I think your colors are beginning to show.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> petelargo wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Ben, thanks for your post. As you may have noticed, there is no
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>> dialogue
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> with
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> the right-wing extremists. You are wrong, end of discussion and
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>> your
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>> an
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> idiot to boot.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> When John McCain won the nomination, Bush disappears overseas. At
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>> the
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>>>> RNC,
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> no Bush, no Cheney (and no mention of them). They know it's a
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>> failed
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>>>>> administration. Where were the solutions. Once again, they are
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>> trying
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>> to
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> frame the campaign as an ideology argument rather than an issues
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> discussion.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Today on Face the Nation, "Sis Cum Ba and WHA-LAA", McCain is now
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>> the
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>>>> change
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> candidate and stated that he will end the incredible corruption
> in
> >>>>>>>>> Washington and the failed policies. John McCain has re-defined a
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>> whole
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>>>> new
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> level of flip-flopping on over two dozen key issues within the
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>> last
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>> eight
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> years including his own authored bill that he was for and now
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>> against.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>>>>> I couldn't give a poop about the experience argument of Palin vs
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>> Obama.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> It's
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> a waste of time. The entire Bush-Cheney-Rumsfeld-Rice-Rove, etc
> >>>>>>>>> administration could be argued to be the most experienced
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>> administration
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> in
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> the history of the White House. A huge amount of prior "executive
> >>>>>>>>> experience". For the first time in recent politics the
> Republicans
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>> had
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> power in the white house, judicial, house and senate. How was it
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>> for
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>> you?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> It's one thing to drive a tractor trailer up our butts, but when
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>> they
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>>>> start
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> blowing on the horn while there're doing it, it's really gone too
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>> far.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>>>>> A big thank you for the memories: the debt, the dead, the
> twisting
> >>>>>>>>> intelligence to "sell" us a war on a country that did not attack
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>> us,
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>> the
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> good ol boy ineffectual cronyism, and finally the shredding of
> the
> >>>>>>>>> constitution. With Palin we now we get to have another religious
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>> kook
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>> to
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> satisfy the so-called conservative extremist religious right to
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>> 'bridge'
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> them into this administration and get money.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Spending 5-10 billion dollars a month on Iraq and kissing chinese
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>> ass
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>>>>> (borrowing the money) of the most Marxist suppressive government
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>> on
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>> the
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> planet at this time is a conservative value?
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Finally, the biggest hypocrisy of all . That these extremists
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>> actually
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>>>> think
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> that they and the republicans are the vanguards of conservatism?
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>> The
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>> two
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> top key pillars of conservatism are less government and
> government
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> intrusion
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> and fiscal responsibility. The only administration that walked
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>> that
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>> talk
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> in
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> 50 years was a Democrat that left Bush a 500 billion dollar
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>> surplus.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>> He
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> blew
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> threw that in one year and it was prior to 9-11. And there is no
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>> greater
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> government intrusion that being told what you can or cannot do
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>> with or
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>>>> put
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> into your body. Palin wants privacy for her family decisions, but
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>> she
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>>>> wants
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> to legislate publicly what you should do with yours. No thanks.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Ben Cittadino-2 wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> My Dear Culture Warriors;
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> So....are we having fun yet?
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> First, I'd like to thank Richard and Slim for stepping up to
> join
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>> the
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> "Assault on the Citadel".
> >>>>>>>>>> The bullets don't sting as much when the adversary's fire is
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>> spread
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>> out
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> among more than one target.
> >>>>>>>>>> In the words first uttered by Gen. "Vinegar Joe" Stillwell,
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>> "illegitimi
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> non carborundum".
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> As for Tootle, Brad, and Herb, you guys crack me up. I posted
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>> about
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>>>> Obama
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> only because I saw Tootle's post that
> >>>>>>>>>> suggested anybody supporting Obama was either a marxist, or a
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>> farm
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>>>> animal.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> What did he expect when he said that?
> >>>>>>>>>> Herb, where was your outrage that Tootle would refer to some of
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>> his
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>>>> fellow
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> "Rhodies" in such derogatry terms? Supporting Obama or McCain
> >>>>>>>>>> may turn out to be right or wrong, but if we debate policy and
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>> don't
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> engage in mere name-calling this "sailor's bar" could be an
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>> interesting
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> place.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Richard's "geezer" remarks are defensible on several grounds.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>> First,
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>> he
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> was provoked. Second, he was defending ME.
> >>>>>>>>>> Third, it was funny. Calling someone a "marxist" as Tootle did
> is
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> several
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> magnitudes worse than gentle kidding of the
> >>>>>>>>>> "old fart" kind. Surely you see the difference.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> The positions I tried to lay out as reasons some people support
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>> Obama
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>>>> were
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> intended as an outline of ideology (as Slim noted),
> >>>>>>>>>> not an argument supporting any position. For example, Herb, you
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>> are
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> pro-life and will probably vote for McCain/Palin in part for
> that
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> reason.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> I am pro-choice, pro-embryonic stem cell research and so I will
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>> support
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Obama/Biden in part for that reason. It is not hyperbole to
> point
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>> out
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> the policy differences that explain my choice. What I know for
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>> sure
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>> is
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> that marxism and "sheepiness" have nothing to do with it. I have
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>> thought
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> about all of my positions on the issues I mentioned and am
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>> completely
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> prepared to explain and justify them. In Brad's oft' repeated
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>> mantra
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>> I
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> know I have "done my homework".
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Enough for today. The games will be on soon.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Cheers!
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Ben C. , s/v Susan Kay, Highlands, NJ
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
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