[Rhodes22-list] Praise Jesus, the "evolutionists" are going to save us from the Republicans
Herb Parsons
hparsons at parsonsys.com
Tue Sep 9 03:34:26 EDT 2008
Ah well, at least it got you to think. That in and of itself is quite an
accomplishment.
Interesting that those of us that are considered "inflexible" can live
with the notion that some folks don't see what we see, and the "tolerant
left" label those that don't see things their way as "kooks".
Steven Alm wrote:
> Sorry, Herb, you didn't get it done.
>
> Slim
>
> On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 2:11 AM, Herb Parsons <hparsons at parsonsys.com> wrote:
>
>
>> Great news. I got a dem to abstain. That's as good as half a vote. We'll
>> get this thing locked down yet!
>>
>> Steven Alm wrote:
>>
>>> Herb,
>>>
>>> Yep, I think he's a kook too.
>>>
>>> I might actually refuse to vote this time because there are no candidates
>>> who represent me. I'm sick of voting for the lesser of two evils.
>>>
>>> Slim
>>>
>>> On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 1:37 AM, Herb Parsons <hparsons at parsonsys.com>
>>>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>> Gee Steve, looks like your choices are going to be a bit slim.
>>>>
>>>> Biden's a practicing Roman Catholic. When asked about abortion, he said
>>>> it's a personal matter, but for him, he accepts the teachings of his
>>>> church. That he "accepts as a matter of faith that life begins at
>>>> conception". In other words, he should be equally disqualified as Palin,
>>>> since he would have to put aside his personal beliefs.
>>>>
>>>> Some of the beliefs that the Roman Catholic Church practices, teachings
>>>> which Biden said he accepts are:
>>>>
>>>> That God is the creator of everything, "of all that is seen and unseen".
>>>>
>>>> They believe in transubstantiation </wiki/Transubstantiation>, that the
>>>> communion bread and wine is miraculously converted, upon consecration by
>>>> the priest, into the actual body and blood of Jesus Christ.
>>>>
>>>> They believe in Apostolic Succession, meaning that the priests are
>>>> descendants of the original 12 apostles. This descendancy can be
>>>> obtained by the sacrament of ordination by an ordained bishop.
>>>>
>>>> I could go on, but I think even you get the point, besides, I would have
>>>> to go get my catechism books to remember it all.
>>>>
>>>> So Steve, does the above mean that Biden is a a "religious kook", and
>>>> that you cannot vote for him, or is HIS "kookiness" covered by a
>>>> hypocritical covering that he leans left?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Steven Alm wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Todd,
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm an atheist and I think Palin's a religious kook. And you're right,
>>>>>
>> I
>>
>>>>> won't vote for a religious kook. I haven't studied Darwin very much
>>>>>
>> (and
>>
>>>> I
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> applaud your research and quotes) but I don't think that's the only
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> rebuke
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> to creationism. Since most of the species of plant and animal life on
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> this
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> earth are in fact extinct, I'd call that "unintelligent design."
>>>>>
>>>>> You said there are only two possibilities as to how life started. Are
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> you
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> sure? How do you know this? What I know is that all religions serve
>>>>>
>> in
>>
>>>>> answering three questions: Where did we come from, how do we live and
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> what
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> happens when we die? Myself, I've answered those questions to my own
>>>>> satisfaction and I don't need the church to tell me anything.
>>>>>
>>>>> Slim
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Sep 8, 2008 at 5:32 PM, Todd Tavares <sprocket80 at mail.com>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> Slim, Wow! are you are going to vote for Obama because he is a
>>>>>>
>> Marxist
>>
>>>>>> or not vote for McCain just because Palin is a religious extremist?
>>>>>>
>> :^D
>>
>>>>>> Glad you mentioned carbon dating. Carbon has been proven by many
>>>>>> scientists to be a wholly inaccurate method of dating. I am far from
>>>>>> being a scientist...or a religious kook thinking the earth is only a
>>>>>> couple of thousand of years old, but there is just as much scientific
>>>>>> information out there to; while not proving creation is the truth,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>> surely
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> proves evolution is improbable if not impossible. You are/were an
>>>>>> educator and were taught evolution from a text book, like we all were.
>>>>>> Just because you read something in a text book does not make it truth.
>>>>>> http://www.darwins-theory-of-evolution.com/ Maybe we could all
>>>>>>
>> stomach
>>
>>>>>> creationism if we called it a theory too. After all that is what
>>>>>> evolution is...just an unproven theory. There are equally as many
>>>>>> scientists out there who believe they have proven evolution is myth.
>>>>>>
>> It
>>
>>>>>> was not Darwin's brainstorm anyway. He thought he could further
>>>>>>
>> explain
>>
>>>>>> a centuries old belief; that life arose from non life and everything
>>>>>> sprang from a common ancestor. Modern scientists say it was that first
>>>>>> amino acid or protein chain in the pool of "primordial ooze." I like
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>> how
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> one Nobel prize winner (Biology 1967?) put it:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "There are only two possibilities as to how life arose; one is
>>>>>> spontaneous generation arising to evolution, the other is a
>>>>>>
>> supernatural
>>
>>>>>> creative act of God, there is no third possibility. Spontaneous
>>>>>> generation that life arose from non-living matter was scientifically
>>>>>> disproved 120 years ago by Louis Pasteur and others. That leaves us
>>>>>>
>> with
>>
>>>>>> only one possible conclusion, that life arose as a creative act of
>>>>>>
>> God.
>>
>>>> I
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> will not accept that philosophically because I do not want to believe
>>>>>>
>> in
>>
>>>>>> God, therefore I choose to believe in that which I know is
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>> scientifically
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> impossible, spontaneous generation arising to evolution."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> (Dr. George Wald, evolutionist, Professor Emeritus of Biology at the
>>>>>> University at Harvard, Nobel Prize winner in Biology.)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But the most interesting fact is that even Darwin himself realized
>>>>>> evolution was not workable.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "To suppose that the eye, with all its inimitable contrivances for
>>>>>> adjusting the focus to different distances, for admitting different
>>>>>> amounts of light, and for the correction of spherical and chromatic
>>>>>> aberration, could have formed by natural selection, seems, I freely
>>>>>> confess, absurd in the highest degree possible." (Charles Darwin, "The
>>>>>> origin of species by means of natural selection")
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "If it could be demonstrated that any complex organ existed which
>>>>>>
>> could
>>
>>>>>> not possibly have been formed by numerous, successive, slight
>>>>>> modifications, my theory would absolutely break down." (Charles
>>>>>>
>> Darwin,
>>
>>>>>> "The Origin of Species")
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Often a cold shudder has run through me, and I have asked myself
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>> whether
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> I may have not devoted myself to a fantasy." (Charles Darwin, Life
>>>>>>
>> and
>>
>>>>>> Letters, 1887, Vol. 2, p. 229)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I could post a few hundred quotes from noted doctors and scientists to
>>>>>> try to "prove" evolution wrong or creation right. I could "do my
>>>>>> homework" as we say here on the list and cite actual findings, but
>>>>>>
>> that
>>
>>>>>> is not necessary. Because to dismiss the possibility of God or some
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>> other
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> Intelligent Designer makes it easier to accept our notions that it is
>>>>>>
>> ok
>>
>>>>>> to be a homosexual (and not allow me a choice when the schools teach
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>> this
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> gargage to my kids while denying the right to learn about the theory
>>>>>>
>> of
>>
>>>>>> creation along with evolution) or that it should be a crime to kill a
>>>>>> tree, but ok to kill an unborn baby. Not to say everyone believing in
>>>>>> evolution is an athiest (or a Democrat), but you have made me see this
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>> as
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> a hinge factor in how I will vote....real issues aside.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Todd T
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Besides, it is not very PC to say we evolved (were "selected") from
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>> apes.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> We don't want any of the apes that were not selected to be made to
>>>>>>
>> feel
>>
>>>>>> inferior.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: "Steven Alm"
>>>>>> To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List"
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Praise Jesus, the Republicans are going
>>>>>>
>> to
>>
>>>>>> save us from the Republicans
>>>>>> Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 13:11:17 -0500
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Ahh, so the "tolerant" lefty has a litmus test for religious
>>>>>>
>> beliefs."
>>
>>>>>> Yes, I require that the candidates be sane, critical thinkers. Palin
>>>>>>
>> is
>>
>>>>>> obviously not. I wouldn't say that if she were a Catholic or a
>>>>>>
>> Lutheran
>>
>>>>>> but
>>>>>> here's a woman who wants to stare down the whole scientific community
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>> and
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> deny things like carbon 14 dating and declare that the heavens and
>>>>>>
>> earth
>>
>>>>>> are
>>>>>> only a few thousand years old. You didn't just call ME an extremist,
>>>>>>
>> did
>>
>>>>>> you?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Brad, you left out the part of Kroon saying that his parishioners
>>>>>>
>> should
>>
>>>>>> pray for the completion of the pipeline because at the end of the
>>>>>>
>> world,
>>
>>>>>> folks will flock to Alaska as their final refuge.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I can't believe that was you quoting all that God stuff.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Slim
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, Sep 8, 2008 at 12:18 PM, Steven Alm wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "She's already demonstrated that she is fully capable of separating
>>>>>>>
>> her
>>
>>>>>>> personal beliefs from her duties."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Wouldn't it be better if she didn't have to?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Mon, Sep 8, 2008 at 6:18 AM, Herb Parsons wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ahh, so the "tolerant" lefty has a litmus test for religious
>>>>>>>>
>> beliefs.
>>
>>>>>>>> She's already demonstrated that she is fully capable of separating
>>>>>>>>
>> her
>>
>>>>>>>> personal beliefs from her duties. She vetoed a bill that would have
>>>>>>>> denied benefits to gay couples.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> But, you extremists keep it up, I'm sure you'll find (or make up)
>>>>>>>> SOMETHING on her.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Steven Alm wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> She's a creationist. Her Assembly of God stuff is a deal breaker
>>>>>>>>>
>> for
>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> me.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Religious extremism cannot be tolerated.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The most important legacy the president leaves is the appointment
>>>>>>>>>
>> of
>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> the
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> supreme court.
>>>>>>>>> The next pres might appoint as many as three. If Sarabaracuda has
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> her
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> way,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> say goodbye to Roe V. Wade and hello to back-ally coat hanger
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> abortions.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Slim
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Sep 7, 2008 at 6:14 PM, Herb Parsons
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I think it's funny that the candidate that was considered as a
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> running
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> mate for the Democratic choice a few years back, is now being
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> touted as
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "more of the same". Keep trying though, you guys may find
>>>>>>>>>>
>> something
>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> works.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> What exactly makes Palin a "religious kook", that fact that's she
>>>>>>>>>> religious? I think your colors are beginning to show.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> petelargo wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Ben, thanks for your post. As you may have noticed, there is no
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> dialogue
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> the right-wing extremists. You are wrong, end of discussion and
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> your
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> an
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> idiot to boot.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> When John McCain won the nomination, Bush disappears overseas. At
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> the
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> RNC,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> no Bush, no Cheney (and no mention of them). They know it's a
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> failed
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> administration. Where were the solutions. Once again, they are
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> trying
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> frame the campaign as an ideology argument rather than an issues
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> discussion.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Today on Face the Nation, "Sis Cum Ba and WHA-LAA", McCain is now
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> the
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> change
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> candidate and stated that he will end the incredible corruption
>>>>>>>>>>>
>> in
>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Washington and the failed policies. John McCain has re-defined a
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> whole
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> new
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> level of flip-flopping on over two dozen key issues within the
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> last
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> eight
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> years including his own authored bill that he was for and now
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> against.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I couldn't give a poop about the experience argument of Palin vs
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Obama.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> It's
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> a waste of time. The entire Bush-Cheney-Rumsfeld-Rice-Rove, etc
>>>>>>>>>>> administration could be argued to be the most experienced
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> administration
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> the history of the White House. A huge amount of prior "executive
>>>>>>>>>>> experience". For the first time in recent politics the
>>>>>>>>>>>
>> Republicans
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> had
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> power in the white house, judicial, house and senate. How was it
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> for
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> you?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> It's one thing to drive a tractor trailer up our butts, but when
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> they
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> start
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> blowing on the horn while there're doing it, it's really gone too
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> far.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> A big thank you for the memories: the debt, the dead, the
>>>>>>>>>>>
>> twisting
>>
>>>>>>>>>>> intelligence to "sell" us a war on a country that did not attack
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> us,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> good ol boy ineffectual cronyism, and finally the shredding of
>>>>>>>>>>>
>> the
>>
>>>>>>>>>>> constitution. With Palin we now we get to have another religious
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> kook
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> satisfy the so-called conservative extremist religious right to
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 'bridge'
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> them into this administration and get money.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Spending 5-10 billion dollars a month on Iraq and kissing chinese
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> ass
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> (borrowing the money) of the most Marxist suppressive government
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> on
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> planet at this time is a conservative value?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Finally, the biggest hypocrisy of all . That these extremists
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> actually
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> think
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> that they and the republicans are the vanguards of conservatism?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> The
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> two
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> top key pillars of conservatism are less government and
>>>>>>>>>>>
>> government
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> intrusion
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> and fiscal responsibility. The only administration that walked
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> that
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> talk
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> 50 years was a Democrat that left Bush a 500 billion dollar
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> surplus.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> He
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> blew
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> threw that in one year and it was prior to 9-11. And there is no
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> greater
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> government intrusion that being told what you can or cannot do
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> with or
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> put
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> into your body. Palin wants privacy for her family decisions, but
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> she
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> wants
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> to legislate publicly what you should do with yours. No thanks.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Ben Cittadino-2 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> My Dear Culture Warriors;
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> So....are we having fun yet?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> First, I'd like to thank Richard and Slim for stepping up to
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> join
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> the
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> "Assault on the Citadel".
>>>>>>>>>>>> The bullets don't sting as much when the adversary's fire is
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> spread
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> out
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> among more than one target.
>>>>>>>>>>>> In the words first uttered by Gen. "Vinegar Joe" Stillwell,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "illegitimi
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> non carborundum".
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> As for Tootle, Brad, and Herb, you guys crack me up. I posted
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> about
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Obama
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> only because I saw Tootle's post that
>>>>>>>>>>>> suggested anybody supporting Obama was either a marxist, or a
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> farm
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> animal.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> What did he expect when he said that?
>>>>>>>>>>>> Herb, where was your outrage that Tootle would refer to some of
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> his
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> fellow
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> "Rhodies" in such derogatry terms? Supporting Obama or McCain
>>>>>>>>>>>> may turn out to be right or wrong, but if we debate policy and
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> don't
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> engage in mere name-calling this "sailor's bar" could be an
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> interesting
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> place.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Richard's "geezer" remarks are defensible on several grounds.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> First,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> he
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> was provoked. Second, he was defending ME.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Third, it was funny. Calling someone a "marxist" as Tootle did
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> is
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> several
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> magnitudes worse than gentle kidding of the
>>>>>>>>>>>> "old fart" kind. Surely you see the difference.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> The positions I tried to lay out as reasons some people support
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Obama
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> were
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> intended as an outline of ideology (as Slim noted),
>>>>>>>>>>>> not an argument supporting any position. For example, Herb, you
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> are
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> pro-life and will probably vote for McCain/Palin in part for
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> that
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> reason.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I am pro-choice, pro-embryonic stem cell research and so I will
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> support
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Obama/Biden in part for that reason. It is not hyperbole to
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> point
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> out
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> the policy differences that explain my choice. What I know for
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> sure
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> that marxism and "sheepiness" have nothing to do with it. I have
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> thought
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> about all of my positions on the issues I mentioned and am
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> completely
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> prepared to explain and justify them. In Brad's oft' repeated
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> mantra
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> know I have "done my homework".
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Enough for today. The games will be on soon.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers!
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Ben C. , s/v Susan Kay, Highlands, NJ
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
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