[Rhodes22-list] Praise Jesus, the "evolutionists" are going to save us from the Republicans

Tue Sep 9 15:07:18 EDT 2008

Ben,

So many targets on the radar and so many choices!  You're next whether
you are the best target or not.  Global Warming is a religion.  I may
not believe in it but that doesn't make me a bad person.  The 'hard
left' has taken a stance of "you believe in every thing we say or you
are and apostate". Now we have a candidate who doesn't "drink the
Kool-Aid", and she must be destroyed".  The fact that she is a woman
who doesn't drink the Kool-Aid is even more reason for animosity.

Such Hypocrisy!

Brad

On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 1:53 PM, Ben Cittadino <bcittadino at dcs-law.com> wrote:
>
> A few thoughts:
>
> 1. Belief in God and acceptance of evolution are not inconsistant.  One can
> simply take as a matter of Faith that the Creator constructed the universe
> to operate in the way Darwin, Einstein, and/or other scientists have
> observed, descibed and studied.
>
> 2. I've got no problem with Creationism being taught in schools as long as
> it's in a Comparative Religions, or Philosophy course.
>
> 3. Wait 'til somebody comes up with a video of Ms. Palin speaking in
> tongues.  It will be very entertaining to me, and I am afraid not fatal to
> her campaign.
>
> Steven Alm wrote:
>>
>> Todd,
>>
>> I'm an atheist and I think Palin's a religious kook.  And you're right, I
>> won't vote for a religious kook.  I haven't studied Darwin very much (and
>> I
>> applaud your research and quotes) but I don't think that's the only rebuke
>> to creationism.  Since most of the species of plant and animal life on
>> this
>> earth are in fact extinct, I'd call that "unintelligent design."
>>
>> You said there are only two possibilities as to how life started.  Are you
>> sure?  How do you know this?  What I know is that all religions serve in
>> answering three questions:  Where did we come from, how do we live and
>> what
>> happens when we die?  Myself, I've answered those questions to my own
>> satisfaction and I don't need the church to tell me anything.
>>
>> Slim
>>
>> On Mon, Sep 8, 2008 at 5:32 PM, Todd Tavares <sprocket80 at mail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Slim, Wow!  are you are going to vote for Obama because he is a Marxist
>>> or not vote for McCain just because Palin is a religious extremist? :^D
>>> Glad you mentioned carbon dating.  Carbon has been proven by many
>>> scientists to be a wholly inaccurate method of dating.  I am far from
>>> being a scientist...or a religious kook thinking the earth is only a
>>> couple of thousand of years old, but there is just as much scientific
>>> information out there to; while not proving creation is the truth, surely
>>> proves evolution is improbable if not impossible.  You are/were an
>>> educator and were taught evolution from a text book, like we all were.
>>> Just because you read something in a text book does not make it truth.
>>> http://www.darwins-theory-of-evolution.com/ Maybe we could all stomach
>>> creationism if we called it a theory too. After all that is what
>>> evolution is...just an unproven theory. There are equally as many
>>> scientists out there who believe they have proven evolution is myth. It
>>> was not Darwin's brainstorm anyway.  He thought he could further explain
>>> a centuries old belief; that life arose from non life and everything
>>> sprang from a common ancestor. Modern scientists say it was that first
>>> amino acid or protein chain in the pool of "primordial ooze."  I like how
>>> one Nobel prize winner (Biology 1967?) put it:
>>>
>>> "There are only two possibilities as to how life arose; one is
>>> spontaneous generation arising to evolution, the other is a supernatural
>>> creative act of God, there is no third possibility. Spontaneous
>>> generation that life arose from non-living matter was scientifically
>>> disproved 120 years ago by Louis Pasteur and others. That leaves us with
>>> only one possible conclusion, that life arose as a creative act of God. I
>>> will not accept that philosophically because I do not want to believe in
>>> God, therefore I choose to believe in that which I know is scientifically
>>> impossible, spontaneous generation arising to evolution."
>>>
>>> (Dr. George Wald, evolutionist, Professor Emeritus of Biology at the
>>> University at Harvard, Nobel Prize winner in Biology.)
>>>
>>> But the most interesting fact is that even Darwin himself realized
>>> evolution was not workable.
>>>
>>> "To suppose that the eye, with all its inimitable contrivances for
>>> adjusting the focus to different distances, for admitting different
>>> amounts of light, and for the correction of spherical and chromatic
>>> aberration, could have formed by natural selection, seems, I freely
>>> confess, absurd in the highest degree possible." (Charles Darwin, "The
>>> origin of species by means of natural selection")
>>>
>>> "If it could be demonstrated that any complex organ existed which could
>>> not possibly have been formed by numerous, successive, slight
>>> modifications, my theory would absolutely break down."  (Charles Darwin,
>>> "The Origin of Species")
>>>
>>> "Often a cold shudder has run through me, and I have asked myself whether
>>> I may have not devoted myself to a fantasy."  (Charles Darwin, Life and
>>> Letters, 1887, Vol. 2, p. 229)
>>>
>>> I could post a few hundred quotes from noted doctors and scientists to
>>> try to "prove" evolution wrong or creation right. I could "do my
>>> homework" as we say here on the list and cite actual findings, but that
>>> is not necessary. Because to dismiss the possibility of God or some other
>>> Intelligent Designer makes it easier to accept our notions that it is ok
>>> to be a homosexual (and not allow me a choice when the schools teach this
>>> gargage to my kids while denying the right to learn about the theory of
>>> creation along with evolution) or that it should be a crime to kill a
>>> tree, but ok to kill an unborn baby. Not to say everyone believing in
>>> evolution is an athiest (or a Democrat), but you have made me see this as
>>> a hinge factor in how I will vote....real issues aside.
>>>
>>> Todd T
>>>
>>> Besides, it is not very PC to say we evolved (were "selected") from apes.
>>> We don't want any of the apes that were not selected to be made to feel
>>> inferior.
>>>
>>>
>>>   ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Steven Alm"
>>> To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List"
>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Praise Jesus, the Republicans are going to
>>> save us from the Republicans
>>> Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 13:11:17 -0500
>>>
>>>
>>> "Ahh, so the "tolerant" lefty has a litmus test for religious beliefs."
>>>
>>> Yes, I require that the candidates be sane, critical thinkers. Palin is
>>> obviously not. I wouldn't say that if she were a Catholic or a Lutheran
>>> but
>>> here's a woman who wants to stare down the whole scientific community and
>>> deny things like carbon 14 dating and declare that the heavens and earth
>>> are
>>> only a few thousand years old. You didn't just call ME an extremist, did
>>> you?
>>>
>>> Brad, you left out the part of Kroon saying that his parishioners should
>>> pray for the completion of the pipeline because at the end of the world,
>>> folks will flock to Alaska as their final refuge.
>>>
>>> I can't believe that was you quoting all that God stuff.
>>>
>>> Slim
>>>
>>> On Mon, Sep 8, 2008 at 12:18 PM, Steven Alm wrote:
>>>
>>> > "She's already demonstrated that she is fully capable of separating her
>>> > personal beliefs from her duties."
>>> >
>>> > Wouldn't it be better if she didn't have to?
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On Mon, Sep 8, 2008 at 6:18 AM, Herb Parsons wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> Ahh, so the "tolerant" lefty has a litmus test for religious beliefs.
>>> >> She's already demonstrated that she is fully capable of separating her
>>> >> personal beliefs from her duties. She vetoed a bill that would have
>>> >> denied benefits to gay couples.
>>> >>
>>> >> But, you extremists keep it up, I'm sure you'll find (or make up)
>>> >> SOMETHING on her.
>>> >>
>>> >> Steven Alm wrote:
>>> >> > She's a creationist. Her Assembly of God stuff is a deal breaker for
>>> >> me.
>>> >> > Religious extremism cannot be tolerated.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > The most important legacy the president leaves is the appointment of
>>> the
>>> >> > supreme court.
>>> >> > The next pres might appoint as many as three. If Sarabaracuda has
>>> her
>>> >> way,
>>> >> > say goodbye to Roe V. Wade and hello to back-ally coat hanger
>>> >> abortions.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Slim
>>> >> >
>>> >> > On Sun, Sep 7, 2008 at 6:14 PM, Herb Parsons
>>> >> wrote:
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >> >> I think it's funny that the candidate that was considered as a
>>> running
>>> >> >> mate for the Democratic choice a few years back, is now being
>>> touted as
>>> >> >> "more of the same". Keep trying though, you guys may find something
>>> >> that
>>> >> >> works.
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> What exactly makes Palin a "religious kook", that fact that's she
>>> >> >> religious? I think your colors are beginning to show.
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> petelargo wrote:
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >>> Ben, thanks for your post. As you may have noticed, there is no
>>> >> dialogue
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >> with
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >>> the right-wing extremists. You are wrong, end of discussion and
>>> your
>>> >> an
>>> >> >>> idiot to boot.
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>> When John McCain won the nomination, Bush disappears overseas. At
>>> the
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >> RNC,
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >>> no Bush, no Cheney (and no mention of them). They know it's a
>>> failed
>>> >> >>> administration. Where were the solutions. Once again, they are
>>> trying
>>> >> to
>>> >> >>> frame the campaign as an ideology argument rather than an issues
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >> discussion.
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >>> Today on Face the Nation, "Sis Cum Ba and WHA-LAA", McCain is now
>>> the
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >> change
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >>> candidate and stated that he will end the incredible corruption in
>>> >> >>> Washington and the failed policies. John McCain has re-defined a
>>> whole
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >> new
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >>> level of flip-flopping on over two dozen key issues within the
>>> last
>>> >> eight
>>> >> >>> years including his own authored bill that he was for and now
>>> against.
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>> I couldn't give a poop about the experience argument of Palin vs
>>> >> Obama.
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >> It's
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >>> a waste of time. The entire Bush-Cheney-Rumsfeld-Rice-Rove, etc
>>> >> >>> administration could be argued to be the most experienced
>>> >> administration
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >> in
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >>> the history of the White House. A huge amount of prior "executive
>>> >> >>> experience". For the first time in recent politics the Republicans
>>> >> had
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >> the
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >>> power in the white house, judicial, house and senate. How was it
>>> for
>>> >> you?
>>> >> >>> It's one thing to drive a tractor trailer up our butts, but when
>>> they
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >> start
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >>> blowing on the horn while there're doing it, it's really gone too
>>> far.
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>> A big thank you for the memories: the debt, the dead, the twisting
>>> >> >>> intelligence to "sell" us a war on a country that did not attack
>>> us,
>>> >> the
>>> >> >>> good ol boy ineffectual cronyism, and finally the shredding of the
>>> >> >>> constitution. With Palin we now we get to have another religious
>>> kook
>>> >> to
>>> >> >>> satisfy the so-called conservative extremist religious right to
>>> >> 'bridge'
>>> >> >>> them into this administration and get money.
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>> Spending 5-10 billion dollars a month on Iraq and kissing chinese
>>> ass
>>> >> >>> (borrowing the money) of the most Marxist suppressive government
>>> on
>>> >> the
>>> >> >>> planet at this time is a conservative value?
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>> Finally, the biggest hypocrisy of all . That these extremists
>>> actually
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >> think
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >>> that they and the republicans are the vanguards of conservatism?
>>> The
>>> >> two
>>> >> >>> top key pillars of conservatism are less government and government
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >> intrusion
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >>> and fiscal responsibility. The only administration that walked
>>> that
>>> >> talk
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >> in
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >>> 50 years was a Democrat that left Bush a 500 billion dollar
>>> surplus.
>>> >> He
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >> blew
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >>> threw that in one year and it was prior to 9-11. And there is no
>>> >> greater
>>> >> >>> government intrusion that being told what you can or cannot do
>>> with or
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >> put
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >>> into your body. Palin wants privacy for her family decisions, but
>>> she
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >> wants
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >>> to legislate publicly what you should do with yours. No thanks.
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>> Ben Cittadino-2 wrote:
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>>> My Dear Culture Warriors;
>>> >> >>>>
>>> >> >>>> So....are we having fun yet?
>>> >> >>>>
>>> >> >>>> First, I'd like to thank Richard and Slim for stepping up to join
>>> the
>>> >> >>>> "Assault on the Citadel".
>>> >> >>>> The bullets don't sting as much when the adversary's fire is
>>> spread
>>> >> out
>>> >> >>>> among more than one target.
>>> >> >>>> In the words first uttered by Gen. "Vinegar Joe" Stillwell,
>>> >> "illegitimi
>>> >> >>>> non carborundum".
>>> >> >>>>
>>> >> >>>> As for Tootle, Brad, and Herb, you guys crack me up. I posted
>>> about
>>> >> >>>>
>>> >> >> Obama
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >>>> only because I saw Tootle's post that
>>> >> >>>> suggested anybody supporting Obama was either a marxist, or a
>>> farm
>>> >> >>>>
>>> >> >> animal.
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >>>> What did he expect when he said that?
>>> >> >>>> Herb, where was your outrage that Tootle would refer to some of
>>> his
>>> >> >>>>
>>> >> >> fellow
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >>>> "Rhodies" in such derogatry terms? Supporting Obama or McCain
>>> >> >>>> may turn out to be right or wrong, but if we debate policy and
>>> don't
>>> >> >>>> engage in mere name-calling this "sailor's bar" could be an
>>> >> interesting
>>> >> >>>> place.
>>> >> >>>>
>>> >> >>>> Richard's "geezer" remarks are defensible on several grounds.
>>> First,
>>> >> he
>>> >> >>>> was provoked. Second, he was defending ME.
>>> >> >>>> Third, it was funny. Calling someone a "marxist" as Tootle did is
>>> >> >>>>
>>> >> >> several
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >>>> magnitudes worse than gentle kidding of the
>>> >> >>>> "old fart" kind. Surely you see the difference.
>>> >> >>>>
>>> >> >>>> The positions I tried to lay out as reasons some people support
>>> Obama
>>> >> >>>>
>>> >> >> were
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >>>> intended as an outline of ideology (as Slim noted),
>>> >> >>>> not an argument supporting any position. For example, Herb, you
>>> are
>>> >> >>>> pro-life and will probably vote for McCain/Palin in part for that
>>> >> >>>>
>>> >> >> reason.
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >>>> I am pro-choice, pro-embryonic stem cell research and so I will
>>> >> support
>>> >> >>>> Obama/Biden in part for that reason. It is not hyperbole to point
>>> >> out
>>> >> >>>> the policy differences that explain my choice. What I know for
>>> sure
>>> >> is
>>> >> >>>> that marxism and "sheepiness" have nothing to do with it. I have
>>> >> thought
>>> >> >>>> about all of my positions on the issues I mentioned and am
>>> completely
>>> >> >>>> prepared to explain and justify them. In Brad's oft' repeated
>>> mantra
>>> >> I
>>> >> >>>> know I have "done my homework".
>>> >> >>>>
>>> >> >>>> Enough for today. The games will be on soon.
>>> >> >>>>
>>> >> >>>> Cheers!
>>> >> >>>>
>>> >> >>>> Ben C. , s/v Susan Kay, Highlands, NJ
>>> >> >>>>
>>> >> >>>>
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