[Rhodes22-list] Praise Jesus, the "evolutionists" are going to save us from the Republicans

[Lowe, Rob]

Exactly!  It's about moral beliefs.  And one can't impose their moral
beliefs on another.  And one cannot legislate their moral beliefs on
another.  And agreed, morality and religion are not the same thing.  But
it sure seems to me those that those who are religious sure make a claim
of being more moral than those that are not. 

-----Original Message-----
From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
[mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Herb Parsons
Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 4:29 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Praise Jesus, the "evolutionists" are going
to save us from the Republicans

Oh, and spare me the "it's religion" nonsense. I know athiests that 
agree with my view on abortion, and folks in my church that disagree 
with it. It IS about moral beliefs, but morality and religion are not 
the same thing.


Lowe, Rob wrote:
> Herb,
> OK, human as opposed to something else, I guess I can buy that.
>
> As you suggest, is this "life" is not so easy.  It's is certainly
> living, but not viable.  For a person in a coma, I totally disagree
that
> society must make that decision.  I believe it's the family's
decision.
> Society (aka Government) has no business in it.  And in keeping with
> that belief, I believe it's the mother's decision in the case of a
> pregnancy.  It's about personal rights.  If one believes abortion is
> wrong, that's great, don't have one.  But leave me and those that
> believe differently to our own personal beliefs.   
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
> [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Herb Parsons
> Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 3:12 PM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Praise Jesus, the "evolutionists" are
going
> to save us from the Republicans
>
> So, if it's not human, exactly what is it?
>
> Now, as to whether or not it's life, I can accept that the can be room

> for argument there; however, there science and religion tend to blur.
We
>
> have lots of things we call life, which may or may not be so - is a 
> person in a coma with no ability to respond and no hope for recover 
> "living"? In cases like that, society must make a decision. And, no 
> matter how you want to frame it, it's really not a religious decision.
A
>
> person's view may be influenced by religion, but that doesn't make it
a 
> religious view.
>
> A good example is that I don't believe it's right for me to take what
is
>
> yours. That belief is heavily influenced by my religion, but that 
> doesn't make it a religious belief.
>
> Lowe, Rob wrote:
>   
>> Ah, but that's where the disagreement lies.  You say it's a human at
>> that point, I say it is not.  So you say it's killing.  I say it's
>>     
> not.
>   
>> And whether it's a human or not is a matter of belief, which leads us
>> back to religion.
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
>> [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Herb Parsons
>> Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 2:42 PM
>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Praise Jesus, the "evolutionists" are
>>     
> going
>   
>> to save us from the Republicans
>>
>> Pete, sorry buddy, but as long as someone is killing another human,
>>     
> it's
>   
>> EVERYONE's business.
>>
>>
>> petelargo wrote:
>>   
>>     
>>> It sure sounds like a 'I want the government out of our lives except
>>>     
>>>       
>> for my
>>   
>>     
>>> religious beliefs' conservative. 
>>> If it's your belief that a woman is killing another human being,
then
>>>     
>>>       
>> in the
>>   
>>     
>>> privacy of your family exercise your belief and don't do it, and
>>>       
> leave
>   
>>>     
>>>       
>> the
>>   
>>     
>>> government and the rest of us out of it.
>>>
>>>
>>> hparsons wrote:
>>>   
>>>     
>>>       
>>>> I would agree, except in this case, the individual's religious
>>>>         
> belifs
>   
>>>>       
>>>>         
>>   
>>     
>>>> involve yet another individual. You are advocating that a woman be 
>>>> allowed to kill another living human based on HER religious
beliefs,
>>>>       
>>>>         
>> not 
>>   
>>     
>>>> those of that living human.
>>>>
>>>> Rik Sandberg wrote:
>>>>     
>>>>       
>>>>         
>>>>> Herb,
>>>>>
>>>>> Well, here you go my friend. War is a terrible analogy.
>>>>>
>>>>> IF we are going to have freedom OF religion, which would also
>>>>>         
>>>>>           
>> include 
>>   
>>     
>>>>> freedom FROM religion and the abortion issue is mostly decided on
a
>>>>>           
>
>   
>>>>> religious (or non-religious, choice again) basis, it is not our
>>>>>         
>>>>>           
>> place to 
>>   
>>     
>>>>> expect anyone else to assume our religious beliefs.
>>>>>
>>>>> Which leads us right back to; the gov't should have no voice in
>>>>>           
> this
>   
>>>>>         
>>>>>           
>> at
>>   
>>     
>>>>> all.
>>>>>
>>>>> Rik
>>>>>
>>>>> Ayn Rand was a prophet - - it isn't my fault
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Herb Parsons wrote:
>>>>>   
>>>>>       
>>>>>         
>>>>>           
>>>>>> I like your honest assessment on Palin, but I disagree about your

>>>>>> labeling of the position.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If I say I'm not going to fight in a war, but it's OK if my
>>>>>>           
>>>>>>             
>> government 
>>   
>>     
>>>>>> attacks another, am I anti-war, or pro-war?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Obviously, you'll not have an abortion, that would mean a male
>>>>>>           
>>>>>>             
>> could be 
>>   
>>     
>>>>>> neither pro or anti; however, anyone that believes the issue does
>>>>>>           
>>>>>>             
>> not 
>>   
>>     
>>>>>> affect me is wearing blinders.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Rik Sandberg wrote:
>>>>>>   
>>>>>>     
>>>>>>         
>>>>>>           
>>>>>>             
>>>>>>> Herb,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Agreed. Palin claims no more religiousity (is that a word,
sounds
>>>>>>>             
>>>>>>>               
>> good) 
>>   
>>     
>>>>>>> than either of the other three candidates involved. She has also
>>>>>>>             
>>>>>>>               
>> shown 
>>   
>>     
>>>>>>> that she can govern without forcing forcing those beliefs on her

>>>>>>> constituents.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On the abortion issue: Yep, she's against them, for her. So am
I,
>>>>>>>             
>>>>>>>               
>> for 
>>   
>>     
>>>>>>> me. I am pro-choice. People just can't seem to get a handle on
>>>>>>>               
> the
>   
>>>>>>>             
>>>>>>>               
>> idea 
>>   
>>     
>>>>>>> that pro-choice doesn't mean anti or pro abortion. It means you
>>>>>>>             
>>>>>>>               
>> should 
>>   
>>     
>>>>>>> be able to make your own choice and let others make theirs, ie,
>>>>>>>             
>>>>>>>               
>> mind 
>>   
>>     
>>>>>>> your own business.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  From what I've seen Palin, as governor of Alaska has been doing
>>>>>>>             
>>>>>>>               
>> this
>>   
>>     
>>>>>>> too.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If I had my way, the federal gov't wouldn't be involved in
>>>>>>>             
>>>>>>>               
>> abortion at
>>   
>>     
>>>>>>> all.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Rik
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ayn Rand was a prophet - - it isn't my fault
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Herb Parsons wrote:
>>>>>>>   
>>>>>>>     
>>>>>>>       
>>>>>>>           
>>>>>>>             
>>>>>>>               
>>>>>>>> Stan,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> What evidence do you have that would lead you to believe that
>>>>>>>>               
>>>>>>>>                 
>> Palin 
>>   
>>     
>>>>>>>> would force her religious belief on anyone? My understanding is
>>>>>>>>               
>>>>>>>>                 
>> that 
>>   
>>     
>>>>>>>> she's all for allowing the individual states to set the
>>>>>>>>                 
> standard.
>   
>>>>>>>>               
>>>>>>>>                 
>>   
>>     
>>>>>>>> However, that's really beside the point. As you said, anyone's
>>>>>>>> pinpoint 
>>>>>>>> of the exact time is a "religious" matter, or a matter of fath,
>>>>>>>>               
>>>>>>>>                 
>> thus 
>>   
>>     
>>>>>>>> ANYONE setting pinpointed time would be them foisting their
>>>>>>>>               
>>>>>>>>                 
>> beliefs on 
>>   
>>     
>>>>>>>> others.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Surely you're not advocating allowing the parents to decide at
>>>>>>>>               
>>>>>>>>                 
>> any
>>   
>>     
>>>>>>>> time 
>>>>>>>> they choose, up to and including while the "fetus" is still in
>>>>>>>> college?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> stan wrote:
>>>>>>>>   
>>>>>>>>     
>>>>>>>>       
>>>>>>>>         
>>>>>>>>             
>>>>>>>>               
>>>>>>>>                 
>>>>>>>>> Slim,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> As a member of your religious faith, and an ardent fan, if you
>>>>>>>>>                 
>>>>>>>>>                   
>> really
>>   
>>     
>>>>>>>>> plan 
>>>>>>>>> to skip voting (in effect voting for those whose direct
>>>>>>>>>                 
>>>>>>>>>                   
>> religious 
>>   
>>     
>>>>>>>>> instructions got us into such a waste of our wealth and blood)
>>>>>>>>>                   
> I
>   
>>>>>>>>> would be 
>>>>>>>>> truly saddened.   I don't think poorly of John's and Palin's
>>>>>>>>> inability to 
>>>>>>>>> live up to their own family values, relying on their gods to
>>>>>>>>>                 
>>>>>>>>>                   
>> forgive
>>   
>>     
>>>>>>>>> them - 
>>>>>>>>> I worry about their health; a topic that seems to be forbidden
>>>>>>>>>                 
>>>>>>>>>                   
>> to
>>   
>>     
>>>>>>>>> address. 
>>>>>>>>> John's cheek is not like that from his prisoner days and his
vp
>>>>>>>>>                 
>>>>>>>>>                   
>> could
>>   
>>     
>>>>>>>>> be our 
>>>>>>>>> leader without notice.  Then where would this country's
>>>>>>>>>                   
> founding
>   
>>>>>>>>> desire for 
>>>>>>>>> religious freedom end up?  The first example is already on the
>>>>>>>>>                 
>>>>>>>>>                   
>> table
>>   
>>     
>>>>>>>>> and 
>>>>>>>>> Catholic Joe has it right:  When life starts is a religious
>>>>>>>>>                 
>>>>>>>>>                   
>> opinion
>>   
>>     
>>>>>>>>> and 
>>>>>>>>> should not be one decided by government.   You may feel life
>>>>>>>>>                 
>>>>>>>>>                   
>> does not
>>   
>>     
>>>>>>>>> start 
>>>>>>>>> until a breath is taken, the Jews count a number of months
>>>>>>>>>                 
>>>>>>>>>                   
>> before the
>>   
>>     
>>>>>>>>> start, 
>>>>>>>>> the Christens count from the moment the cells begin dividing. 
>>>>>>>>> Personally I 
>>>>>>>>> don't think it starts until after college.  If we allow a
Palin
>>>>>>>>>                 
>>>>>>>>>                   
>> to
>>   
>>     
>>>>>>>>> call such 
>>>>>>>>> shots we are on a path Jefferson and all those other smart
guys
>>>>>>>>> insisted on 
>>>>>>>>> avoiding.   McCain told the TV interviewer that if he had his
>>>>>>>>>                 
>>>>>>>>>                   
>> way the
>>   
>>     
>>>>>>>>> first 
>>>>>>>>> judge he would get rid of is Ginsberg and than went down the
>>>>>>>>>                 
>>>>>>>>>                   
>> list of
>>   
>>     
>>>>>>>>> her 
>>>>>>>>> kind.   Once this is allowed to start (we already have allowed
>>>>>>>>>                 
>>>>>>>>>                   
>> god
>>   
>>     
>>>>>>>>> onto our 
>>>>>>>>> coins), god (hypocritically speaking) help us - or we will
all,
>>>>>>>>> eventually, 
>>>>>>>>> become strong advocates of the second amendment.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> John, at least is a flip flopper so, if elected, would
probably
>>>>>>>>> revert to 
>>>>>>>>> many of his reasonable positions.  It is Palin I am fearful
>>>>>>>>>                   
> will
>   
>>>>>>>>>                 
>>>>>>>>>                   
>> give
>>   
>>     
>>>>>>>>> us 
>>>>>>>>> even worse than another 8 years.  (And this from a confessed
>>>>>>>>> womanizer.)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> stan/ec
>>>>>>>>>  .
>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>>>>>>> From: "Steven Alm" <stevenalm at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>> To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 2:02 AM
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Praise Jesus,the "evolutionists"
>>>>>>>>>                 
>>>>>>>>>                   
>> are
>>   
>>     
>>>>>>>>> going to 
>>>>>>>>> save us from the Republicans
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>   
>>>>>>>>>     
>>>>>>>>>       
>>>>>>>>>         
>>>>>>>>>           
>>>>>>>>>               
>>>>>>>>>                 
>>>>>>>>>                   
>>>>>>>>>> Todd,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I'm an atheist and I think Palin's a religious kook.  And
>>>>>>>>>>                   
>>>>>>>>>>                     
>> you're
>>   
>>     
>>>>>>>>>> right, I
>>>>>>>>>> won't vote for a religious kook.  I haven't studied Darwin
>>>>>>>>>>                     
> very
>   
>>>>>>>>>>                   
>>>>>>>>>>                     
>> much
>>   
>>     
>>>>>>>>>> (and 
>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>> applaud your research and quotes) but I don't think that's
the
>>>>>>>>>>                   
>>>>>>>>>>                     
>> only
>>   
>>     
>>>>>>>>>> rebuke
>>>>>>>>>> to creationism.  Since most of the species of plant and
animal
>>>>>>>>>>                   
>>>>>>>>>>                     
>> life
>>   
>>     
>>>>>>>>>> on 
>>>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>>> earth are in fact extinct, I'd call that "unintelligent
>>>>>>>>>>                   
>>>>>>>>>>                     
>> design."
>>   
>>     
>>>>>>>>>> You said there are only two possibilities as to how life
>>>>>>>>>>                   
>>>>>>>>>>                     
>> started. 
>>   
>>     
>>>>>>>>>> Are you
>>>>>>>>>> sure?  How do you know this?  What I know is that all
>>>>>>>>>>                     
> religions
>   
>>>>>>>>>> serve in
>>>>>>>>>> answering three questions:  Where did we come from, how do we
>>>>>>>>>>                   
>>>>>>>>>>                     
>> live
>>   
>>     
>>>>>>>>>> and 
>>>>>>>>>> what
>>>>>>>>>> happens when we die?  Myself, I've answered those questions
to
>>>>>>>>>>                   
>>>>>>>>>>                     
>> my
>>   
>>     
>>>>>>>>>> own
>>>>>>>>>> satisfaction and I don't need the church to tell me anything.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Slim
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Sep 8, 2008 at 5:32 PM, Todd Tavares
>>>>>>>>>>                   
>>>>>>>>>>                     
>> <sprocket80 at mail.com>
>>   
>>     
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>     
>>>>>>>>>>       
>>>>>>>>>>         
>>>>>>>>>>           
>>>>>>>>>>             
>>>>>>>>>>                 
>>>>>>>>>>                   
>>>>>>>>>>                     
>>>>>>>>>>> Slim, Wow!  are you are going to vote for Obama because he
is
>>>>>>>>>>>                     
>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>> a
>>   
>>     
>>>>>>>>>>> Marxist
>>>>>>>>>>> or not vote for McCain just because Palin is a religious
>>>>>>>>>>>                     
>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>> extremist?
>>   
>>     
>>>>>>>>>>> :^D
>>>>>>>>>>> Glad you mentioned carbon dating.  Carbon has been proven by
>>>>>>>>>>>                     
>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>> many
>>   
>>     
>>>>>>>>>>> scientists to be a wholly inaccurate method of dating.  I am
>>>>>>>>>>>                     
>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>> far
>>   
>>     
>>>>>>>>>>> from
>>>>>>>>>>> being a scientist...or a religious kook thinking the earth
is
>>>>>>>>>>>                     
>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>> only
>>   
>>     
>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>> couple of thousand of years old, but there is just as much
>>>>>>>>>>> scientific
>>>>>>>>>>> information out there to; while not proving creation is the
>>>>>>>>>>>                     
>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>> truth,
>>   
>>     
>>>>>>>>>>> surely
>>>>>>>>>>> proves evolution is improbable if not impossible.  You
>>>>>>>>>>>                     
>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>> are/were an
>>   
>>     
>>>>>>>>>>> educator and were taught evolution from a text book, like we
>>>>>>>>>>>                     
>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>> all
>>   
>>     
>>>>>>>>>>> were.
>>>>>>>>>>> Just because you read something in a text book does not make
>>>>>>>>>>>                     
>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>> it
>>   
>>     
>>>>>>>>>>> truth.
>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.darwins-theory-of-evolution.com/ Maybe we could
>>>>>>>>>>>                       
> all
>   
>>>>>>>>>>> stomach
>>>>>>>>>>> creationism if we called it a theory too. After all that is
>>>>>>>>>>>                     
>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>> what
>>   
>>     
>>>>>>>>>>> evolution is...just an unproven theory. There are equally as
>>>>>>>>>>>                     
>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>> many
>>   
>>     
>>>>>>>>>>> scientists out there who believe they have proven evolution
>>>>>>>>>>>                       
> is
>   
>>>>>>>>>>> myth. It
>>>>>>>>>>> was not Darwin's brainstorm anyway.  He thought he could
>>>>>>>>>>>                     
>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>> further
>>   
>>     
>>>>>>>>>>> explain
>>>>>>>>>>> a centuries old belief; that life arose from non life and
>>>>>>>>>>> everything
>>>>>>>>>>> sprang from a common ancestor. Modern scientists say it was
>>>>>>>>>>>                     
>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>> that
>>   
>>     
>>>>>>>>>>> first
>>>>>>>>>>> amino acid or protein chain in the pool of "primordial
ooze."
>>>>>>>>>>>                     
>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>> I
>>   
>>     
>>>>>>>>>>> like how
>>>>>>>>>>> one Nobel prize winner (Biology 1967?) put it:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> "There are only two possibilities as to how life arose; one
>>>>>>>>>>>                       
> is
>   
>>>>>>>>>>> spontaneous generation arising to evolution, the other is a
>>>>>>>>>>> supernatural
>>>>>>>>>>> creative act of God, there is no third possibility.
>>>>>>>>>>>                     
>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>> Spontaneous
>>   
>>     
>>>>>>>>>>> generation that life arose from non-living matter was
>>>>>>>>>>> scientifically
>>>>>>>>>>> disproved 120 years ago by Louis Pasteur and others. That
>>>>>>>>>>>                     
>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>> leaves us
>>   
>>     
>>>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>>> only one possible conclusion, that life arose as a creative
>>>>>>>>>>>                     
>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>> act of
>>   
>>     
>>>>>>>>>>> God. I
>>>>>>>>>>> will not accept that philosophically because I do not want
to
>>>>>>>>>>> believe in
>>>>>>>>>>> God, therefore I choose to believe in that which I know is
>>>>>>>>>>> scientifically
>>>>>>>>>>> impossible, spontaneous generation arising to evolution."
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> (Dr. George Wald, evolutionist, Professor Emeritus of
Biology
>>>>>>>>>>>                     
>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>> at
>>   
>>     
>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>> University at Harvard, Nobel Prize winner in Biology.)
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> But the most interesting fact is that even Darwin himself
>>>>>>>>>>>                     
>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>> realized
>>   
>>     
>>>>>>>>>>> evolution was not workable.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> "To suppose that the eye, with all its inimitable
>>>>>>>>>>>                       
> contrivances
>   
>>>>>>>>>>>                     
>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>> for
>>   
>>     
>>>>>>>>>>> adjusting the focus to different distances, for admitting
>>>>>>>>>>>                     
>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>> different
>>   
>>     
>>>>>>>>>>> amounts of light, and for the correction of spherical and
>>>>>>>>>>>                     
>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>> chromatic
>>   
>>     
>>>>>>>>>>> aberration, could have formed by natural selection, seems, I
>>>>>>>>>>>                     
>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>> freely
>>   
>>     
>>>>>>>>>>> confess, absurd in the highest degree possible." (Charles
>>>>>>>>>>>                     
>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>> Darwin,
>>   
>>     
>>>>>>>>>>> "The
>>>>>>>>>>> origin of species by means of natural selection")
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> "If it could be demonstrated that any complex organ existed
>>>>>>>>>>>                     
>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>> which
>>   
>>     
>>>>>>>>>>> could
>>>>>>>>>>> not possibly have been formed by numerous, successive,
slight
>>>>>>>>>>> modifications, my theory would absolutely break down."
>>>>>>>>>>>                     
>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>> (Charles
>>   
>>     
>>>>>>>>>>> Darwin,
>>>>>>>>>>> "The Origin of Species")
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> "Often a cold shudder has run through me, and I have asked
>>>>>>>>>>>                     
>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>> myself
>>   
>>     
>>>>>>>>>>> whether
>>>>>>>>>>> I may have not devoted myself to a fantasy."  (Charles
>>>>>>>>>>>                       
> Darwin,
>   
>>>>>>>>>>>                     
>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>> Life
>>   
>>     
>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>> Letters, 1887, Vol. 2, p. 229)
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I could post a few hundred quotes from noted doctors and
>>>>>>>>>>>                     
>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>> scientists
>>   
>>     
>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>> try to "prove" evolution wrong or creation right. I could
"do
>>>>>>>>>>>                     
>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>> my
>>   
>>     
>>>>>>>>>>> homework" as we say here on the list and cite actual
>>>>>>>>>>>                       
> findings,
>   
>>>>>>>>>>>                     
>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>> but
>>   
>>     
>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>> is not necessary. Because to dismiss the possibility of God
>>>>>>>>>>>                       
> or
>   
>>>>>>>>>>>                     
>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>> some
>>   
>>     
>>>>>>>>>>> other
>>>>>>>>>>> Intelligent Designer makes it easier to accept our notions
>>>>>>>>>>>                     
>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>> that it
>>   
>>     
>>>>>>>>>>> is ok
>>>>>>>>>>> to be a homosexual (and not allow me a choice when the
>>>>>>>>>>>                       
> schools
>   
>>>>>>>>>>> teach this
>>>>>>>>>>> gargage to my kids while denying the right to learn about
the
>>>>>>>>>>> theory of
>>>>>>>>>>> creation along with evolution) or that it should be a crime
>>>>>>>>>>>                       
> to
>   
>>>>>>>>>>>                     
>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>> kill
>>   
>>     
>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>> tree, but ok to kill an unborn baby. Not to say everyone
>>>>>>>>>>>                     
>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>> believing
>>   
>>     
>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>> evolution is an athiest (or a Democrat), but you have made
me
>>>>>>>>>>>                     
>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>> see
>>   
>>     
>>>>>>>>>>> this as
>>>>>>>>>>> a hinge factor in how I will vote....real issues aside.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Todd T
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Besides, it is not very PC to say we evolved (were
>>>>>>>>>>>                       
> "selected")
>   
>>>>>>>>>>>                     
>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>> from
>>   
>>     
>>>>>>>>>>> apes.
>>>>>>>>>>> We don't want any of the apes that were not selected to be
>>>>>>>>>>>                     
>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>> made to
>>   
>>     
>>>>>>>>>>> feel
>>>>>>>>>>> inferior.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>   ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>>> From: "Steven Alm"
>>>>>>>>>>> To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List"
>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Praise Jesus, the Republicans
>>>>>>>>>>>                       
> are
>   
>>>>>>>>>>> going to
>>>>>>>>>>> save us from the Republicans
>>>>>>>>>>> Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 13:11:17 -0500
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> "Ahh, so the "tolerant" lefty has a litmus test for
religious
>>>>>>>>>>> beliefs."
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, I require that the candidates be sane, critical
>>>>>>>>>>>                       
> thinkers.
>   
>>>>>>>>>>> Palin is
>>>>>>>>>>> obviously not. I wouldn't say that if she were a Catholic or
>>>>>>>>>>>                       
> a
>   
>>>>>>>>>>> Lutheran
>>>>>>>>>>> but
>>>>>>>>>>> here's a woman who wants to stare down the whole scientific
>>>>>>>>>>> community and
>>>>>>>>>>> deny things like carbon 14 dating and declare that the
>>>>>>>>>>>                       
> heavens
>   
>>>>>>>>>>>                     
>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>> and
>>   
>>     
>>>>>>>>>>> earth
>>>>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>>>>> only a few thousand years old. You didn't just call ME an
>>>>>>>>>>> extremist, did
>>>>>>>>>>> you?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Brad, you left out the part of Kroon saying that his
>>>>>>>>>>>                     
>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>> parishioners
>>   
>>     
>>>>>>>>>>> should
>>>>>>>>>>> pray for the completion of the pipeline because at the end
of
>>>>>>>>>>>                     
>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>> the
>>   
>>     
>>>>>>>>>>> world,
>>>>>>>>>>> folks will flock to Alaska as their final refuge.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I can't believe that was you quoting all that God stuff.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Slim
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Sep 8, 2008 at 12:18 PM, Steven Alm wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>       
>>>>>>>>>>>         
>>>>>>>>>>>           
>>>>>>>>>>>             
>>>>>>>>>>>               
>>>>>>>>>>>                   
>>>>>>>>>>>                     
>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>>>>>>>>>>>> "She's already demonstrated that she is fully capable of
>>>>>>>>>>>> separating her
>>>>>>>>>>>> personal beliefs from her duties."
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Wouldn't it be better if she didn't have to?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Sep 8, 2008 at 6:18 AM, Herb Parsons wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>         
>>>>>>>>>>>>           
>>>>>>>>>>>>             
>>>>>>>>>>>>               
>>>>>>>>>>>>                 
>>>>>>>>>>>>                     
>>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>>>>>>>>>>>>                         
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ahh, so the "tolerant" lefty has a litmus test for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>                           
> religious
>   
>>>>>>>>>>>>> beliefs.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> She's already demonstrated that she is fully capable of
>>>>>>>>>>>>> separating her
>>>>>>>>>>>>> personal beliefs from her duties. She vetoed a bill that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>                         
>>>>>>>>>>>>>                           
>> would
>>   
>>     
>>>>>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>>>>>> denied benefits to gay couples.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> But, you extremists keep it up, I'm sure you'll find (or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>                         
>>>>>>>>>>>>>                           
>> make up)
>>   
>>     
>>>>>>>>>>>>> SOMETHING on her.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Steven Alm wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>           
>>>>>>>>>>>>>             
>>>>>>>>>>>>>               
>>>>>>>>>>>>>                 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>                   
>>>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>>>>>>>>>>>>>                         
>>>>>>>>>>>>>                           
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> She's a creationist. Her Assembly of God stuff is a deal
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                           
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                             
>> breaker
>>   
>>     
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>             
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>               
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                   
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                     
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                         
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                           
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                             
>>>>>>>>>>>>> me.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>           
>>>>>>>>>>>>>             
>>>>>>>>>>>>>               
>>>>>>>>>>>>>                 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>                   
>>>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>>>>>>>>>>>>>                         
>>>>>>>>>>>>>                           
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Religious extremism cannot be tolerated.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The most important legacy the president leaves is the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> appointment of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>             
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>               
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                   
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                     
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                         
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                           
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                             
>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>       
>>>>>>>>>>>         
>>>>>>>>>>>           
>>>>>>>>>>>             
>>>>>>>>>>>               
>>>>>>>>>>>                   
>>>>>>>>>>>                     
>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> supreme court.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The next pres might appoint as many as three. If
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                           
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                             
>> Sarabaracuda
>>   
>>     
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> has
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>             
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>               
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                   
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                     
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                         
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                           
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                             
>>>>>>>>>>> her
>>>>>>>>>>>       
>>>>>>>>>>>         
>>>>>>>>>>>           
>>>>>>>>>>>             
>>>>>>>>>>>               
>>>>>>>>>>>                   
>>>>>>>>>>>                     
>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>>>>>>>>>>>>> way,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>           
>>>>>>>>>>>>>             
>>>>>>>>>>>>>               
>>>>>>>>>>>>>                 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>                   
>>>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>>>>>>>>>>>>>                         
>>>>>>>>>>>>>                           
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> say goodbye to Roe V. Wade and hello to back-ally coat
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                           
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                             
>> hanger
>>   
>>     
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>             
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>               
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                   
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                     
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                         
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                           
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                             
>>>>>>>>>>>>> abortions.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>           
>>>>>>>>>>>>>             
>>>>>>>>>>>>>               
>>>>>>>>>>>>>                 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>                   
>>>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>>>>>>>>>>>>>                         
>>>>>>>>>>>>>                           
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Slim
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Sep 7, 2008 at 6:14 PM, Herb Parsons
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>             
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>               
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                   
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                     
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                         
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                           
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                             
>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>           
>>>>>>>>>>>>>             
>>>>>>>>>>>>>               
>>>>>>>>>>>>>                 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>                   
>>>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>>>>>>>>>>>>>                         
>>>>>>>>>>>>>                           
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>             
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>               
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                   
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                     
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                         
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                           
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                             
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think it's funny that the candidate that was
considered
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                             
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                               
>> as a
>>   
>>     
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>               
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                   
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                     
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                           
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                             
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                               
>>>>>>>>>>> running
>>>>>>>>>>>       
>>>>>>>>>>>         
>>>>>>>>>>>           
>>>>>>>>>>>             
>>>>>>>>>>>               
>>>>>>>>>>>                   
>>>>>>>>>>>                     
>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mate for the Democratic choice a few years back, is now
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                             
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                               
>> being
>>   
>>     
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>               
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                   
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                     
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                           
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                             
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                               
>>>>>>>>>>> touted as
>>>>>>>>>>>       
>>>>>>>>>>>         
>>>>>>>>>>>           
>>>>>>>>>>>             
>>>>>>>>>>>               
>>>>>>>>>>>                   
>>>>>>>>>>>                     
>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "more of the same". Keep trying though, you guys may
find
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> something
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>               
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                   
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                     
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                           
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                             
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                               
>>>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>           
>>>>>>>>>>>>>             
>>>>>>>>>>>>>               
>>>>>>>>>>>>>                 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>                   
>>>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>>>>>>>>>>>>>                         
>>>>>>>>>>>>>                           
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> works.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What exactly makes Palin a "religious kook", that fact
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                             
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                               
>> that's
>>   
>>     
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> she
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> religious? I think your colors are beginning to show.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> petelargo wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>               
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                   
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                     
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                           
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                             
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                               
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ben, thanks for your post. As you may have noticed,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                                 
> there
>   
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                               
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                                 
>> is
>>   
>>     
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> no
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                   
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                     
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                         
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                             
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                               
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                                 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> dialogue
>>>>>>>>>>>>>           
>>>>>>>>>>>>>             
>>>>>>>>>>>>>               
>>>>>>>>>>>>>                 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>                   
>>>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>>>>>>>>>>>>>                         
>>>>>>>>>>>>>                           
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>               
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                   
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                     
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                           
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                             
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                               
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the right-wing extremists. You are wrong, end of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                               
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                                 
>> discussion
>>   
>>     
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                   
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                     
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                         
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                             
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                               
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                                 
>>>>>>>>>>> your
>>>>>>>>>>>       
>>>>>>>>>>>         
>>>>>>>>>>>           
>>>>>>>>>>>             
>>>>>>>>>>>               
>>>>>>>>>>>                   
>>>>>>>>>>>                     
>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>>>>>>>>>>>>> an
>>>>>>>>>>>>>           
>>>>>>>>>>>>>             
>>>>>>>>>>>>>               
>>>>>>>>>>>>>                 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>                   
>>>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>>>>>>>>>>>>>                         
>>>>>>>>>>>>>                           
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> idiot to boot.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> When John McCain won the nomination, Bush disappears
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                               
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                                 
>> overseas.
>>   
>>     
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> At
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                   
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                     
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                         
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                             
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                               
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                                 
>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>       
>>>>>>>>>>>         
>>>>>>>>>>>           
>>>>>>>>>>>             
>>>>>>>>>>>               
>>>>>>>>>>>                   
>>>>>>>>>>>                     
>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> RNC,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>               
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                   
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                     
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                           
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                             
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                               
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> no Bush, no Cheney (and no mention of them). They know
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                               
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                                 
>> it's a
>>   
>>     
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                   
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                     
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                         
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                             
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                               
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                                 
>>>>>>>>>>> failed
>>>>>>>>>>>       
>>>>>>>>>>>         
>>>>>>>>>>>           
>>>>>>>>>>>             
>>>>>>>>>>>               
>>>>>>>>>>>                   
>>>>>>>>>>>                     
>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> administration. Where were the solutions. Once again,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                               
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                                 
>> they are
>>   
>>     
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                   
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                     
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                         
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                             
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                               
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                                 
>>>>>>>>>>> trying
>>>>>>>>>>>       
>>>>>>>>>>>         
>>>>>>>>>>>           
>>>>>>>>>>>             
>>>>>>>>>>>               
>>>>>>>>>>>                   
>>>>>>>>>>>                     
>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>           
>>>>>>>>>>>>>             
>>>>>>>>>>>>>               
>>>>>>>>>>>>>                 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>                   
>>>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>>>>>>>>>>>>>                         
>>>>>>>>>>>>>                           
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> frame the campaign as an ideology argument rather than
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                                 
> an
>   
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> issues
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                   
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                     
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                         
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                             
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                               
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                                 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> discussion.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>               
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                   
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                     
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                           
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                             
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                               
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Today on Face the Nation, "Sis Cum Ba and WHA-LAA",
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                               
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                                 
>> McCain is
>>   
>>     
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> now
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                   
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                     
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                         
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                             
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                               
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                                 
>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>       
>>>>>>>>>>>         
>>>>>>>>>>>           
>>>>>>>>>>>             
>>>>>>>>>>>               
>>>>>>>>>>>                   
>>>>>>>>>>>                     
>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> change
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>               
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                   
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                     
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                           
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                             
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                               
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> candidate and stated that he will end the incredible
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> corruption in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Washington and the failed policies. John McCain has
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                               
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                                 
>> re-defined
>>   
>>     
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                   
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                     
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                         
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                             
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                               
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                                 
>>>>>>>>>>> whole
>>>>>>>>>>>       
>>>>>>>>>>>         
>>>>>>>>>>>           
>>>>>>>>>>>             
>>>>>>>>>>>               
>>>>>>>>>>>                   
>>>>>>>>>>>                     
>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> new
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>               
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                   
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                     
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                           
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                             
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                               
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> level of flip-flopping on over two dozen key issues
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                               
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                                 
>> within the
>>   
>>     
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                   
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                     
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                         
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                             
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                               
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                                 
>>>>>>>>>>> last
>>>>>>>>>>>       
>>>>>>>>>>>         
>>>>>>>>>>>           
>>>>>>>>>>>             
>>>>>>>>>>>               
>>>>>>>>>>>                   
>>>>>>>>>>>                     
>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>>>>>>>>>>>>> eight
>>>>>>>>>>>>>           
>>>>>>>>>>>>>             
>>>>>>>>>>>>>               
>>>>>>>>>>>>>                 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>                   
>>>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>>>>>>>>>>>>>                         
>>>>>>>>>>>>>                           
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> years including his own authored bill that he was for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                                 
> and
>   
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                               
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                                 
>> now
>>   
>>     
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                   
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                     
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                         
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                             
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                               
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                                 
>>>>>>>>>>> against.
>>>>>>>>>>>       
>>>>>>>>>>>         
>>>>>>>>>>>           
>>>>>>>>>>>             
>>>>>>>>>>>               
>>>>>>>>>>>                   
>>>>>>>>>>>                     
>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I couldn't give a poop about the experience argument of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                               
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                                 
>> Palin
>>   
>>     
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> vs
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                   
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                     
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                         
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                             
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                               
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                                 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Obama.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>           
>>>>>>>>>>>>>             
>>>>>>>>>>>>>               
>>>>>>>>>>>>>                 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>                   
>>>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>>>>>>>>>>>>>                         
>>>>>>>>>>>>>                           
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>               
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                   
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                     
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                           
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                             
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                               
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a waste of time. The entire
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                               
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                                 
>> Bush-Cheney-Rumsfeld-Rice-Rove,
>>   
>>     
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> etc
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> administration could be argued to be the most
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                                 
> experienced
>   
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                   
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                     
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                         
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                             
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                               
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                                 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> administration
>>>>>>>>>>>>>           
>>>>>>>>>>>>>             
>>>>>>>>>>>>>               
>>>>>>>>>>>>>                 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>                   
>>>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>>>>>>>>>>>>>                         
>>>>>>>>>>>>>                           
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>               
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                   
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                     
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                           
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                             
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                               
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the history of the White House. A huge amount of prior
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "executive
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> experience". For the first time in recent politics the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Republicans
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                   
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                     
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                         
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                             
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                               
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                                 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> had
>>>>>>>>>>>>>           
>>>>>>>>>>>>>             
>>>>>>>>>>>>>               
>>>>>>>>>>>>>                 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>                   
>>>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>>>>>>>>>>>>>                         
>>>>>>>>>>>>>                           
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>               
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                   
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                     
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                           
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                             
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                               
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> power in the white house, judicial, house and senate.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                                 
> How
>   
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                               
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                                 
>> was
>>   
>>     
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                   
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                     
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                         
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                             
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                               
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                                 
>>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>>>       
>>>>>>>>>>>         
>>>>>>>>>>>           
>>>>>>>>>>>             
>>>>>>>>>>>               
>>>>>>>>>>>                   
>>>>>>>>>>>                     
>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>>>>>>>>>>>>> you?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>           
>>>>>>>>>>>>>             
>>>>>>>>>>>>>               
>>>>>>>>>>>>>                 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>                   
>>>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>>>>>>>>>>>>>                         
>>>>>>>>>>>>>                           
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's one thing to drive a tractor trailer up our butts,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                               
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                                 
>> but
>>   
>>     
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> when
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                   
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                     
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                         
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                             
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                               
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                                 
>>>>>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>>>>>>       
>>>>>>>>>>>         
>>>>>>>>>>>           
>>>>>>>>>>>             
>>>>>>>>>>>               
>>>>>>>>>>>                   
>>>>>>>>>>>                     
>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> start
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>               
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                   
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                     
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                           
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                             
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                               
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> blowing on the horn while there're doing it, it's
really
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                               
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                                 
>> gone
>>   
>>     
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> too
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                   
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                     
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                         
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                             
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                               
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                                 
>>>>>>>>>>> far.
>>>>>>>>>>>       
>>>>>>>>>>>         
>>>>>>>>>>>           
>>>>>>>>>>>             
>>>>>>>>>>>               
>>>>>>>>>>>                   
>>>>>>>>>>>                     
>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> A big thank you for the memories: the debt, the dead,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                                 
> the
>   
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> twisting
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> intelligence to "sell" us a war on a country that did
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                                 
> not
>   
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> attack
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                   
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                     
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                         
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                             
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                               
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                                 
>>>>>>>>>>> us,
>>>>>>>>>>>       
>>>>>>>>>>>         
>>>>>>>>>>>           
>>>>>>>>>>>             
>>>>>>>>>>>               
>>>>>>>>>>>                   
>>>>>>>>>>>                     
>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>           
>>>>>>>>>>>>>             
>>>>>>>>>>>>>               
>>>>>>>>>>>>>                 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>                   
>>>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>>>>>>>>>>>>>                         
>>>>>>>>>>>>>                           
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> good ol boy ineffectual cronyism, and finally the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                               
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                                 
>> shredding of
>>   
>>     
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> constitution. With Palin we now we get to have another
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> religious
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                   
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                     
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                         
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                             
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                               
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                                 
>>>>>>>>>>> kook
>>>>>>>>>>>       
>>>>>>>>>>>         
>>>>>>>>>>>           
>>>>>>>>>>>             
>>>>>>>>>>>               
>>>>>>>>>>>                   
>>>>>>>>>>>                     
>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>           
>>>>>>>>>>>>>             
>>>>>>>>>>>>>               
>>>>>>>>>>>>>                 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>                   
>>>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>>>>>>>>>>>>>                         
>>>>>>>>>>>>>                           
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> satisfy the so-called conservative extremist religious
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                               
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                                 
>> right
>>   
>>     
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                   
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                     
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                         
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                             
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                               
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                                 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 'bridge'
>>>>>>>>>>>>>           
>>>>>>>>>>>>>             
>>>>>>>>>>>>>               
>>>>>>>>>>>>>                 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>                   
>>>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>>>>>>>>>>>>>                         
>>>>>>>>>>>>>                           
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> them into this administration and get money.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Spending 5-10 billion dollars a month on Iraq and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                                 
> kissing
>   
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> chinese
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                   
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                     
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                         
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                             
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                               
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                                 
>>>>>>>>>>> ass
>>>>>>>>>>>       
>>>>>>>>>>>         
>>>>>>>>>>>           
>>>>>>>>>>>             
>>>>>>>>>>>               
>>>>>>>>>>>                   
>>>>>>>>>>>                     
>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (borrowing the money) of the most Marxist suppressive
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> government
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                   
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                     
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                         
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                             
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                               
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                                 
>>>>>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>>>>>       
>>>>>>>>>>>         
>>>>>>>>>>>           
>>>>>>>>>>>             
>>>>>>>>>>>               
>>>>>>>>>>>                   
>>>>>>>>>>>                     
>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>           
>>>>>>>>>>>>>             
>>>>>>>>>>>>>               
>>>>>>>>>>>>>                 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>                   
>>>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>>>>>>>>>>>>>                         
>>>>>>>>>>>>>                           
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> planet at this time is a conservative value?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Finally, the biggest hypocrisy of all . That these
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                               
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                                 
>> extremists
>>   
>>     
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                   
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                     
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                         
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                             
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                               
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                                 
>>>>>>>>>>> actually
>>>>>>>>>>>       
>>>>>>>>>>>         
>>>>>>>>>>>           
>>>>>>>>>>>             
>>>>>>>>>>>               
>>>>>>>>>>>                   
>>>>>>>>>>>                     
>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> think
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>               
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                   
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                     
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                           
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                             
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                               
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that they and the republicans are the vanguards of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> conservatism?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                   
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                     
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                         
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                             
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                               
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                                 
>>>>>>>>>>> The
>>>>>>>>>>>       
>>>>>>>>>>>         
>>>>>>>>>>>           
>>>>>>>>>>>             
>>>>>>>>>>>               
>>>>>>>>>>>                   
>>>>>>>>>>>                     
>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>>>>>>>>>>>>> two
>>>>>>>>>>>>>           
>>>>>>>>>>>>>             
>>>>>>>>>>>>>               
>>>>>>>>>>>>>                 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>                   
>>>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>>>>>>>>>>>>>                         
>>>>>>>>>>>>>                           
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> top key pillars of conservatism are less government and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> government
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                   
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                     
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                         
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                             
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                               
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                                 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> intrusion
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>               
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                   
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                     
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                           
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                             
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                               
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and fiscal responsibility. The only administration that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                               
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                                 
>> walked
>>   
>>     
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                   
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                     
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                         
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                             
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                               
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                                 
>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>       
>>>>>>>>>>>         
>>>>>>>>>>>           
>>>>>>>>>>>             
>>>>>>>>>>>               
>>>>>>>>>>>                   
>>>>>>>>>>>                     
>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>>>>>>>>>>>>> talk
>>>>>>>>>>>>>           
>>>>>>>>>>>>>             
>>>>>>>>>>>>>               
>>>>>>>>>>>>>                 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>                   
>>>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>>>>>>>>>>>>>                         
>>>>>>>>>>>>>                           
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>               
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                   
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                     
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                           
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                             
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                               
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 50 years was a Democrat that left Bush a 500 billion
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                               
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                                 
>> dollar
>>   
>>     
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                   
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                     
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                         
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                             
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                               
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                                 
>>>>>>>>>>> surplus.
>>>>>>>>>>>       
>>>>>>>>>>>         
>>>>>>>>>>>           
>>>>>>>>>>>             
>>>>>>>>>>>               
>>>>>>>>>>>                   
>>>>>>>>>>>                     
>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>>>>>>>>>>>>> He
>>>>>>>>>>>>>           
>>>>>>>>>>>>>             
>>>>>>>>>>>>>               
>>>>>>>>>>>>>                 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>                   
>>>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>>>>>>>>>>>>>                         
>>>>>>>>>>>>>                           
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> blew
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>               
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                   
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                     
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                           
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                             
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                               
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> threw that in one year and it was prior to 9-11. And
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                               
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                                 
>> there is
>>   
>>     
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> no
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                   
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                     
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                         
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                             
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                               
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                                 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> greater
>>>>>>>>>>>>>           
>>>>>>>>>>>>>             
>>>>>>>>>>>>>               
>>>>>>>>>>>>>                 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>                   
>>>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>>>>>>>>>>>>>                         
>>>>>>>>>>>>>                           
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> government intrusion that being told what you can or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                               
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                                 
>> cannot do
>>   
>>     
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                   
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                     
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                         
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                             
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                               
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                                 
>>>>>>>>>>> with or
>>>>>>>>>>>       
>>>>>>>>>>>         
>>>>>>>>>>>           
>>>>>>>>>>>             
>>>>>>>>>>>               
>>>>>>>>>>>                   
>>>>>>>>>>>                     
>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> put
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>               
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                   
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                     
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                           
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                             
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                               
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> into your body. Palin wants privacy for her family
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                               
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                                 
>> decisions,
>>   
>>     
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                   
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                     
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                         
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                             
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                               
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                                 
>>>>>>>>>>> she
>>>>>>>>>>>       
>>>>>>>>>>>         
>>>>>>>>>>>           
>>>>>>>>>>>             
>>>>>>>>>>>               
>>>>>>>>>>>                   
>>>>>>>>>>>                     
>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wants
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>               
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                   
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                     
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                           
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                             
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                               
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to legislate publicly what you should do with yours. No
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thanks.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ben Cittadino-2 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                   
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                     
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                         
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                             
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                               
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                                 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My Dear Culture Warriors;
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So....are we having fun yet?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> First, I'd like to thank Richard and Slim for stepping
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                                 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                                   
>> up to
>>   
>>     
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> join
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                   
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                     
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                         
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                           
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                               
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                                 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                                   
>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>       
>>>>>>>>>>>         
>>>>>>>>>>>           
>>>>>>>>>>>             
>>>>>>>>>>>               
>>>>>>>>>>>                   
>>>>>>>>>>>                     
>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Assault on the Citadel".
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The bullets don't sting as much when the adversary's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                                 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                                   
>> fire is
>>   
>>     
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                   
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                     
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                         
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                           
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                               
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                                 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                                   
>>>>>>>>>>> spread
>>>>>>>>>>>       
>>>>>>>>>>>         
>>>>>>>>>>>           
>>>>>>>>>>>             
>>>>>>>>>>>               
>>>>>>>>>>>                   
>>>>>>>>>>>                     
>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>>>>>>>>>>>>> out
>>>>>>>>>>>>>           
>>>>>>>>>>>>>             
>>>>>>>>>>>>>               
>>>>>>>>>>>>>                 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>                   
>>>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>>>>>>>>>>>>>                         
>>>>>>>>>>>>>                           
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> among more than one target.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In the words first uttered by Gen. "Vinegar Joe"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                                 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                                   
>> Stillwell,
>>   
>>     
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                   
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                     
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                         
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                           
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                               
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                                 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                                   
>>>>>>>>>>>>> "illegitimi
>>>>>>>>>>>>>           
>>>>>>>>>>>>>             
>>>>>>>>>>>>>               
>>>>>>>>>>>>>                 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>                   
>>>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>>>>>>>>>>>>>                         
>>>>>>>>>>>>>                           
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> non carborundum".
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As for Tootle, Brad, and Herb, you guys crack me up. I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                                 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                                   
>> posted
>>   
>>     
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                   
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                     
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                         
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                           
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                               
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                                 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                                   
>>>>>>>>>>> about
>>>>>>>>>>>       
>>>>>>>>>>>         
>>>>>>>>>>>           
>>>>>>>>>>>             
>>>>>>>>>>>               
>>>>>>>>>>>                   
>>>>>>>>>>>                     
>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Obama
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>               
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                   
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                     
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                           
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                             
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                               
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> only because I saw Tootle's post that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> suggested anybody supporting Obama was either a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                                   
> marxist,
>   
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                                 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                                   
>> or a
>>   
>>     
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                   
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                     
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                         
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                           
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                               
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                                 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                                   
>>>>>>>>>>> farm
>>>>>>>>>>>       
>>>>>>>>>>>         
>>>>>>>>>>>           
>>>>>>>>>>>             
>>>>>>>>>>>               
>>>>>>>>>>>                   
>>>>>>>>>>>                     
>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> animal.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>               
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                   
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                     
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                           
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                             
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                               
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What did he expect when he said that?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Herb, where was your outrage that Tootle would refer
to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                                 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                                   
>> some
>>   
>>     
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                   
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                     
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                         
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                           
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                               
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                                 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                                   
>>>>>>>>>>> his
>>>>>>>>>>>       
>>>>>>>>>>>         
>>>>>>>>>>>           
>>>>>>>>>>>             
>>>>>>>>>>>               
>>>>>>>>>>>                   
>>>>>>>>>>>                     
>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fellow
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>               
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                   
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                     
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                           
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                             
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                               
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Rhodies" in such derogatry terms? Supporting Obama or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                                 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                                   
>> McCain
>>   
>>     
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> may turn out to be right or wrong, but if we debate
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                                 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                                   
>> policy
>>   
>>     
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                   
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                     
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                         
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                           
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                               
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                                 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                                   
>>>>>>>>>>> don't
>>>>>>>>>>>       
>>>>>>>>>>>         
>>>>>>>>>>>           
>>>>>>>>>>>             
>>>>>>>>>>>               
>>>>>>>>>>>                   
>>>>>>>>>>>                     
>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> engage in mere name-calling this "sailor's bar" could
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                                   
> be
>   
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                                 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                                   
>> an
>>   
>>     
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                   
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                     
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                         
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                           
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                               
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                                 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                                   
>>>>>>>>>>>>> interesting
>>>>>>>>>>>>>           
>>>>>>>>>>>>>             
>>>>>>>>>>>>>               
>>>>>>>>>>>>>                 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>                   
>>>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>>>>>>>>>>>>>                         
>>>>>>>>>>>>>                           
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> place.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Richard's "geezer" remarks are defensible on several
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                                 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                                   
>> grounds.
>>   
>>     
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                   
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                     
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                         
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                           
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                               
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                                 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                                   
>>>>>>>>>>> First,
>>>>>>>>>>>       
>>>>>>>>>>>         
>>>>>>>>>>>           
>>>>>>>>>>>             
>>>>>>>>>>>               
>>>>>>>>>>>                   
>>>>>>>>>>>                     
>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>>>>>>>>>>>>> he
>>>>>>>>>>>>>           
>>>>>>>>>>>>>             
>>>>>>>>>>>>>               
>>>>>>>>>>>>>                 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>                   
>>>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>>>>>>>>>>>>>                         
>>>>>>>>>>>>>                           
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was provoked. Second, he was defending ME.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Third, it was funny. Calling someone a "marxist" as
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                                 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                                   
>> Tootle
>>   
>>     
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> did is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                   
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                     
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                         
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                           
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                               
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                                 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                                   
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> several
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>               
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                   
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                     
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                           
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                             
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                               
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> magnitudes worse than gentle kidding of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "old fart" kind. Surely you see the difference.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The positions I tried to lay out as reasons some
people
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> support
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                   
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                     
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                         
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                           
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                               
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                                 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                                   
>>>>>>>>>>> Obama
>>>>>>>>>>>       
>>>>>>>>>>>         
>>>>>>>>>>>           
>>>>>>>>>>>             
>>>>>>>>>>>               
>>>>>>>>>>>                   
>>>>>>>>>>>                     
>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> were
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>               
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                   
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                     
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                           
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                             
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                               
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> intended as an outline of ideology (as Slim noted),
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not an argument supporting any position. For example,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                                 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                                   
>> Herb,
>>   
>>     
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                   
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                     
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                         
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                           
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                               
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                                 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                                   
>>>>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>>>>>       
>>>>>>>>>>>         
>>>>>>>>>>>           
>>>>>>>>>>>             
>>>>>>>>>>>               
>>>>>>>>>>>                   
>>>>>>>>>>>                     
>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pro-life and will probably vote for McCain/Palin in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                                   
> part
>   
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                                 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                                   
>> for
>>   
>>     
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                   
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                     
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                         
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                           
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                               
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                                 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                                   
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reason.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>               
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                   
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                     
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                           
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                             
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                               
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am pro-choice, pro-embryonic stem cell research and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                                   
> so
>   
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                                 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                                   
>> I
>>   
>>     
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                   
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                     
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                         
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                           
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                               
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                                 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                                   
>>>>>>>>>>>>> support
>>>>>>>>>>>>>           
>>>>>>>>>>>>>             
>>>>>>>>>>>>>               
>>>>>>>>>>>>>                 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>                   
>>>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>>>>>>>>>>>>>                         
>>>>>>>>>>>>>                           
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Obama/Biden in part for that reason. It is not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                                   
> hyperbole
>   
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                                 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                                   
>> to
>>   
>>     
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> point
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                   
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                     
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                         
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                           
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                               
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                                 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                                   
>>>>>>>>>>>>> out
>>>>>>>>>>>>>           
>>>>>>>>>>>>>             
>>>>>>>>>>>>>               
>>>>>>>>>>>>>                 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>                   
>>>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>>>>>>>>>>>>>                         
>>>>>>>>>>>>>                           
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the policy differences that explain my choice. What I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                                 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                                   
>> know
>>   
>>     
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                   
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                     
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                         
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                           
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                               
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                                 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                                   
>>>>>>>>>>> sure
>>>>>>>>>>>       
>>>>>>>>>>>         
>>>>>>>>>>>           
>>>>>>>>>>>             
>>>>>>>>>>>               
>>>>>>>>>>>                   
>>>>>>>>>>>                     
>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>>>>>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>           
>>>>>>>>>>>>>             
>>>>>>>>>>>>>               
>>>>>>>>>>>>>                 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>                   
>>>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>>>>>>>>>>>>>                         
>>>>>>>>>>>>>                           
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that marxism and "sheepiness" have nothing to do with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                                 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                                   
>> it. I
>>   
>>     
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                   
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                     
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                         
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                           
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                               
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                                 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                                   
>>>>>>>>>>>>> thought
>>>>>>>>>>>>>           
>>>>>>>>>>>>>             
>>>>>>>>>>>>>               
>>>>>>>>>>>>>                 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>                   
>>>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>>>>>>>>>>>>>                         
>>>>>>>>>>>>>                           
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> about all of my positions on the issues I mentioned
and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                                 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                                   
>> am
>>   
>>     
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                   
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                     
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                         
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                           
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                               
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                                 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                                   
>>>>>>>>>>> completely
>>>>>>>>>>>       
>>>>>>>>>>>         
>>>>>>>>>>>           
>>>>>>>>>>>             
>>>>>>>>>>>               
>>>>>>>>>>>                   
>>>>>>>>>>>                     
>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> prepared to explain and justify them. In Brad's oft'
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                                 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                                   
>> repeated
>>   
>>     
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                   
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                     
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                         
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                           
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                               
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                                 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                                   
>>>>>>>>>>> mantra
>>>>>>>>>>>       
>>>>>>>>>>>         
>>>>>>>>>>>           
>>>>>>>>>>>             
>>>>>>>>>>>               
>>>>>>>>>>>                   
>>>>>>>>>>>                     
>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>           
>>>>>>>>>>>>>             
>>>>>>>>>>>>>               
>>>>>>>>>>>>>                 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>                   
>>>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>>>>>>>>>>>>>                         
>>>>>>>>>>>>>                           
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> know I have "done my homework".
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Enough for today. The games will be on soon.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ben C. , s/v Susan Kay, Highlands, NJ
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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