[Rhodes22-list] Praise Jesus, the "evolutionists" are going to save us from the Republicans
Herb Parsons
hparsons at parsonsys.com
Tue Sep 9 16:53:12 EDT 2008
Sure they can. We do it constantly.
We don't allow murder, a moral belief. The "law of nature" is that the
fittest survive. If I'm more powerful than you, and I can take what I
want. If you don't like it, I can simply kill you and then that ends the
argument. We, as a society, impose a different MORAL standard.
Lowe, Rob wrote:
> Exactly! It's about moral beliefs. And one can't impose their moral
> beliefs on another. And one cannot legislate their moral beliefs on
> another. And agreed, morality and religion are not the same thing. But
> it sure seems to me those that those who are religious sure make a claim
> of being more moral than those that are not.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
> [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Herb Parsons
> Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 4:29 PM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Praise Jesus, the "evolutionists" are going
> to save us from the Republicans
>
> Oh, and spare me the "it's religion" nonsense. I know athiests that
> agree with my view on abortion, and folks in my church that disagree
> with it. It IS about moral beliefs, but morality and religion are not
> the same thing.
>
>
> Lowe, Rob wrote:
>
>> Herb,
>> OK, human as opposed to something else, I guess I can buy that.
>>
>> As you suggest, is this "life" is not so easy. It's is certainly
>> living, but not viable. For a person in a coma, I totally disagree
>>
> that
>
>> society must make that decision. I believe it's the family's
>>
> decision.
>
>> Society (aka Government) has no business in it. And in keeping with
>> that belief, I believe it's the mother's decision in the case of a
>> pregnancy. It's about personal rights. If one believes abortion is
>> wrong, that's great, don't have one. But leave me and those that
>> believe differently to our own personal beliefs.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
>> [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Herb Parsons
>> Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 3:12 PM
>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Praise Jesus, the "evolutionists" are
>>
> going
>
>> to save us from the Republicans
>>
>> So, if it's not human, exactly what is it?
>>
>> Now, as to whether or not it's life, I can accept that the can be room
>>
>
>
>> for argument there; however, there science and religion tend to blur.
>>
> We
>
>> have lots of things we call life, which may or may not be so - is a
>> person in a coma with no ability to respond and no hope for recover
>> "living"? In cases like that, society must make a decision. And, no
>> matter how you want to frame it, it's really not a religious decision.
>>
> A
>
>> person's view may be influenced by religion, but that doesn't make it
>>
> a
>
>> religious view.
>>
>> A good example is that I don't believe it's right for me to take what
>>
> is
>
>> yours. That belief is heavily influenced by my religion, but that
>> doesn't make it a religious belief.
>>
>> Lowe, Rob wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Ah, but that's where the disagreement lies. You say it's a human at
>>> that point, I say it is not. So you say it's killing. I say it's
>>>
>>>
>> not.
>>
>>
>>> And whether it's a human or not is a matter of belief, which leads us
>>> back to religion.
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
>>> [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Herb Parsons
>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 2:42 PM
>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Praise Jesus, the "evolutionists" are
>>>
>>>
>> going
>>
>>
>>> to save us from the Republicans
>>>
>>> Pete, sorry buddy, but as long as someone is killing another human,
>>>
>>>
>> it's
>>
>>
>>> EVERYONE's business.
>>>
>>>
>>> petelargo wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> It sure sounds like a 'I want the government out of our lives except
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> for my
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> religious beliefs' conservative.
>>>> If it's your belief that a woman is killing another human being,
>>>>
> then
>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> in the
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> privacy of your family exercise your belief and don't do it, and
>>>>
>>>>
>> leave
>>
>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> the
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> government and the rest of us out of it.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> hparsons wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> I would agree, except in this case, the individual's religious
>>>>>
>>>>>
>> belifs
>>
>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>> involve yet another individual. You are advocating that a woman be
>>>>> allowed to kill another living human based on HER religious
>>>>>
> beliefs,
>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>> not
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>> those of that living human.
>>>>>
>>>>> Rik Sandberg wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Herb,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Well, here you go my friend. War is a terrible analogy.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> IF we are going to have freedom OF religion, which would also
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>> include
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>> freedom FROM religion and the abortion issue is mostly decided on
>>>>>>
> a
>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>
>>
>>>>>> religious (or non-religious, choice again) basis, it is not our
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>> place to
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>> expect anyone else to assume our religious beliefs.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Which leads us right back to; the gov't should have no voice in
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>> this
>>
>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>> at
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>> all.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Rik
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ayn Rand was a prophet - - it isn't my fault
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Herb Parsons wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I like your honest assessment on Palin, but I disagree about your
>>>>>>>
>
>
>>>>>>> labeling of the position.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If I say I'm not going to fight in a war, but it's OK if my
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>> government
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>> attacks another, am I anti-war, or pro-war?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Obviously, you'll not have an abortion, that would mean a male
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>> could be
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>> neither pro or anti; however, anyone that believes the issue does
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>> not
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>> affect me is wearing blinders.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Rik Sandberg wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Herb,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Agreed. Palin claims no more religiousity (is that a word,
>>>>>>>>
> sounds
>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>> good)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>> than either of the other three candidates involved. She has also
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>> shown
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>> that she can govern without forcing forcing those beliefs on her
>>>>>>>>
>
>
>>>>>>>> constituents.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On the abortion issue: Yep, she's against them, for her. So am
>>>>>>>>
> I,
>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>> for
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>> me. I am pro-choice. People just can't seem to get a handle on
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>> the
>>
>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>> idea
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>> that pro-choice doesn't mean anti or pro abortion. It means you
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>> should
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>> be able to make your own choice and let others make theirs, ie,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>> mind
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>> your own business.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> From what I've seen Palin, as governor of Alaska has been doing
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>> this
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>> too.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If I had my way, the federal gov't wouldn't be involved in
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>> abortion at
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>> all.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Rik
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ayn Rand was a prophet - - it isn't my fault
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Herb Parsons wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Stan,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> What evidence do you have that would lead you to believe that
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>> Palin
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>> would force her religious belief on anyone? My understanding is
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>> that
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>> she's all for allowing the individual states to set the
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>> standard.
>>
>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>> However, that's really beside the point. As you said, anyone's
>>>>>>>>> pinpoint
>>>>>>>>> of the exact time is a "religious" matter, or a matter of fath,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>> thus
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>> ANYONE setting pinpointed time would be them foisting their
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>> beliefs on
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>> others.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Surely you're not advocating allowing the parents to decide at
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>> any
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>> time
>>>>>>>>> they choose, up to and including while the "fetus" is still in
>>>>>>>>> college?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> stan wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Slim,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> As a member of your religious faith, and an ardent fan, if you
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>> really
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>> plan
>>>>>>>>>> to skip voting (in effect voting for those whose direct
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>> religious
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>> instructions got us into such a waste of our wealth and blood)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>> I
>>
>>
>>>>>>>>>> would be
>>>>>>>>>> truly saddened. I don't think poorly of John's and Palin's
>>>>>>>>>> inability to
>>>>>>>>>> live up to their own family values, relying on their gods to
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>> forgive
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>> them -
>>>>>>>>>> I worry about their health; a topic that seems to be forbidden
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>> to
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>> address.
>>>>>>>>>> John's cheek is not like that from his prisoner days and his
>>>>>>>>>>
> vp
>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>> could
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>> be our
>>>>>>>>>> leader without notice. Then where would this country's
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>> founding
>>
>>
>>>>>>>>>> desire for
>>>>>>>>>> religious freedom end up? The first example is already on the
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>> table
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>> Catholic Joe has it right: When life starts is a religious
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>> opinion
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>> should not be one decided by government. You may feel life
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>> does not
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>> start
>>>>>>>>>> until a breath is taken, the Jews count a number of months
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>> before the
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>> start,
>>>>>>>>>> the Christens count from the moment the cells begin dividing.
>>>>>>>>>> Personally I
>>>>>>>>>> don't think it starts until after college. If we allow a
>>>>>>>>>>
> Palin
>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>> to
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>> call such
>>>>>>>>>> shots we are on a path Jefferson and all those other smart
>>>>>>>>>>
> guys
>
>>>>>>>>>> insisted on
>>>>>>>>>> avoiding. McCain told the TV interviewer that if he had his
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>> way the
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>> first
>>>>>>>>>> judge he would get rid of is Ginsberg and than went down the
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>> list of
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>> her
>>>>>>>>>> kind. Once this is allowed to start (we already have allowed
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>> god
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>> onto our
>>>>>>>>>> coins), god (hypocritically speaking) help us - or we will
>>>>>>>>>>
> all,
>
>>>>>>>>>> eventually,
>>>>>>>>>> become strong advocates of the second amendment.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> John, at least is a flip flopper so, if elected, would
>>>>>>>>>>
> probably
>
>>>>>>>>>> revert to
>>>>>>>>>> many of his reasonable positions. It is Palin I am fearful
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>> will
>>
>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>> give
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>> us
>>>>>>>>>> even worse than another 8 years. (And this from a confessed
>>>>>>>>>> womanizer.)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> stan/ec
>>>>>>>>>> .
>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>> From: "Steven Alm" <stevenalm at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>> To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 2:02 AM
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Praise Jesus,the "evolutionists"
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>> are
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>> going to
>>>>>>>>>> save us from the Republicans
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Todd,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I'm an atheist and I think Palin's a religious kook. And
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> you're
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> right, I
>>>>>>>>>>> won't vote for a religious kook. I haven't studied Darwin
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>> very
>>
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> much
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> (and
>>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>> applaud your research and quotes) but I don't think that's
>>>>>>>>>>>
> the
>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> only
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> rebuke
>>>>>>>>>>> to creationism. Since most of the species of plant and
>>>>>>>>>>>
> animal
>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> life
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>>>> earth are in fact extinct, I'd call that "unintelligent
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> design."
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> You said there are only two possibilities as to how life
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> started.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Are you
>>>>>>>>>>> sure? How do you know this? What I know is that all
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>> religions
>>
>>
>>>>>>>>>>> serve in
>>>>>>>>>>> answering three questions: Where did we come from, how do we
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> live
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>> what
>>>>>>>>>>> happens when we die? Myself, I've answered those questions
>>>>>>>>>>>
> to
>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> my
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> own
>>>>>>>>>>> satisfaction and I don't need the church to tell me anything.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Slim
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Sep 8, 2008 at 5:32 PM, Todd Tavares
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> <sprocket80 at mail.com>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Slim, Wow! are you are going to vote for Obama because he
>>>>>>>>>>>>
> is
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> a
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Marxist
>>>>>>>>>>>> or not vote for McCain just because Palin is a religious
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> extremist?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> :^D
>>>>>>>>>>>> Glad you mentioned carbon dating. Carbon has been proven by
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> many
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> scientists to be a wholly inaccurate method of dating. I am
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> far
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> from
>>>>>>>>>>>> being a scientist...or a religious kook thinking the earth
>>>>>>>>>>>>
> is
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> only
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>> couple of thousand of years old, but there is just as much
>>>>>>>>>>>> scientific
>>>>>>>>>>>> information out there to; while not proving creation is the
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> truth,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> surely
>>>>>>>>>>>> proves evolution is improbable if not impossible. You
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> are/were an
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> educator and were taught evolution from a text book, like we
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> all
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> were.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Just because you read something in a text book does not make
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> it
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> truth.
>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.darwins-theory-of-evolution.com/ Maybe we could
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> all
>>
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> stomach
>>>>>>>>>>>> creationism if we called it a theory too. After all that is
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> what
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> evolution is...just an unproven theory. There are equally as
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> many
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> scientists out there who believe they have proven evolution
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> is
>>
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> myth. It
>>>>>>>>>>>> was not Darwin's brainstorm anyway. He thought he could
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> further
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> explain
>>>>>>>>>>>> a centuries old belief; that life arose from non life and
>>>>>>>>>>>> everything
>>>>>>>>>>>> sprang from a common ancestor. Modern scientists say it was
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> that
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> first
>>>>>>>>>>>> amino acid or protein chain in the pool of "primordial
>>>>>>>>>>>>
> ooze."
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> I
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> like how
>>>>>>>>>>>> one Nobel prize winner (Biology 1967?) put it:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> "There are only two possibilities as to how life arose; one
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> is
>>
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> spontaneous generation arising to evolution, the other is a
>>>>>>>>>>>> supernatural
>>>>>>>>>>>> creative act of God, there is no third possibility.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> Spontaneous
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> generation that life arose from non-living matter was
>>>>>>>>>>>> scientifically
>>>>>>>>>>>> disproved 120 years ago by Louis Pasteur and others. That
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> leaves us
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>>>> only one possible conclusion, that life arose as a creative
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> act of
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> God. I
>>>>>>>>>>>> will not accept that philosophically because I do not want
>>>>>>>>>>>>
> to
>
>>>>>>>>>>>> believe in
>>>>>>>>>>>> God, therefore I choose to believe in that which I know is
>>>>>>>>>>>> scientifically
>>>>>>>>>>>> impossible, spontaneous generation arising to evolution."
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> (Dr. George Wald, evolutionist, Professor Emeritus of
>>>>>>>>>>>>
> Biology
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> at
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>> University at Harvard, Nobel Prize winner in Biology.)
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> But the most interesting fact is that even Darwin himself
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> realized
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> evolution was not workable.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> "To suppose that the eye, with all its inimitable
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> contrivances
>>
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> for
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> adjusting the focus to different distances, for admitting
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> different
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> amounts of light, and for the correction of spherical and
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> chromatic
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> aberration, could have formed by natural selection, seems, I
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> freely
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> confess, absurd in the highest degree possible." (Charles
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> Darwin,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> "The
>>>>>>>>>>>> origin of species by means of natural selection")
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> "If it could be demonstrated that any complex organ existed
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> which
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> could
>>>>>>>>>>>> not possibly have been formed by numerous, successive,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
> slight
>
>>>>>>>>>>>> modifications, my theory would absolutely break down."
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> (Charles
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Darwin,
>>>>>>>>>>>> "The Origin of Species")
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> "Often a cold shudder has run through me, and I have asked
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> myself
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> whether
>>>>>>>>>>>> I may have not devoted myself to a fantasy." (Charles
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> Darwin,
>>
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> Life
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>> Letters, 1887, Vol. 2, p. 229)
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I could post a few hundred quotes from noted doctors and
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> scientists
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>> try to "prove" evolution wrong or creation right. I could
>>>>>>>>>>>>
> "do
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> my
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> homework" as we say here on the list and cite actual
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> findings,
>>
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> but
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>> is not necessary. Because to dismiss the possibility of God
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> or
>>
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> some
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> other
>>>>>>>>>>>> Intelligent Designer makes it easier to accept our notions
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> that it
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> is ok
>>>>>>>>>>>> to be a homosexual (and not allow me a choice when the
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> schools
>>
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> teach this
>>>>>>>>>>>> gargage to my kids while denying the right to learn about
>>>>>>>>>>>>
> the
>
>>>>>>>>>>>> theory of
>>>>>>>>>>>> creation along with evolution) or that it should be a crime
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> to
>>
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> kill
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>> tree, but ok to kill an unborn baby. Not to say everyone
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> believing
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>> evolution is an athiest (or a Democrat), but you have made
>>>>>>>>>>>>
> me
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> see
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> this as
>>>>>>>>>>>> a hinge factor in how I will vote....real issues aside.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Todd T
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Besides, it is not very PC to say we evolved (were
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> "selected")
>>
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> from
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> apes.
>>>>>>>>>>>> We don't want any of the apes that were not selected to be
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> made to
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> feel
>>>>>>>>>>>> inferior.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>>>> From: "Steven Alm"
>>>>>>>>>>>> To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List"
>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Praise Jesus, the Republicans
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> are
>>
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> going to
>>>>>>>>>>>> save us from the Republicans
>>>>>>>>>>>> Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 13:11:17 -0500
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> "Ahh, so the "tolerant" lefty has a litmus test for
>>>>>>>>>>>>
> religious
>
>>>>>>>>>>>> beliefs."
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, I require that the candidates be sane, critical
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> thinkers.
>>
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Palin is
>>>>>>>>>>>> obviously not. I wouldn't say that if she were a Catholic or
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> a
>>
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Lutheran
>>>>>>>>>>>> but
>>>>>>>>>>>> here's a woman who wants to stare down the whole scientific
>>>>>>>>>>>> community and
>>>>>>>>>>>> deny things like carbon 14 dating and declare that the
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> heavens
>>
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> and
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> earth
>>>>>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>>>>>> only a few thousand years old. You didn't just call ME an
>>>>>>>>>>>> extremist, did
>>>>>>>>>>>> you?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Brad, you left out the part of Kroon saying that his
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> parishioners
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> should
>>>>>>>>>>>> pray for the completion of the pipeline because at the end
>>>>>>>>>>>>
> of
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> the
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> world,
>>>>>>>>>>>> folks will flock to Alaska as their final refuge.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I can't believe that was you quoting all that God stuff.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Slim
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Sep 8, 2008 at 12:18 PM, Steven Alm wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> "She's already demonstrated that she is fully capable of
>>>>>>>>>>>>> separating her
>>>>>>>>>>>>> personal beliefs from her duties."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wouldn't it be better if she didn't have to?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Sep 8, 2008 at 6:18 AM, Herb Parsons wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ahh, so the "tolerant" lefty has a litmus test for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> religious
>>
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> beliefs.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> She's already demonstrated that she is fully capable of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> separating her
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> personal beliefs from her duties. She vetoed a bill that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> would
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> denied benefits to gay couples.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But, you extremists keep it up, I'm sure you'll find (or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> make up)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> SOMETHING on her.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Steven Alm wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> She's a creationist. Her Assembly of God stuff is a deal
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> breaker
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> me.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Religious extremism cannot be tolerated.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The most important legacy the president leaves is the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> appointment of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> supreme court.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The next pres might appoint as many as three. If
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> Sarabaracuda
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> has
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> her
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> way,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> say goodbye to Roe V. Wade and hello to back-ally coat
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> hanger
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> abortions.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Slim
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Sep 7, 2008 at 6:14 PM, Herb Parsons
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think it's funny that the candidate that was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> considered
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> as a
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> running
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mate for the Democratic choice a few years back, is now
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> being
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> touted as
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "more of the same". Keep trying though, you guys may
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> find
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> something
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> works.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What exactly makes Palin a "religious kook", that fact
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> that's
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> she
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> religious? I think your colors are beginning to show.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> petelargo wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ben, thanks for your post. As you may have noticed,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> there
>>
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> is
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> no
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dialogue
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the right-wing extremists. You are wrong, end of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> discussion
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> your
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> an
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> idiot to boot.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> When John McCain won the nomination, Bush disappears
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> overseas.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> At
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> RNC,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> no Bush, no Cheney (and no mention of them). They know
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> it's a
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> failed
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> administration. Where were the solutions. Once again,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> they are
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> trying
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> frame the campaign as an ideology argument rather than
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> an
>>
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> issues
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> discussion.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Today on Face the Nation, "Sis Cum Ba and WHA-LAA",
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> McCain is
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> now
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> change
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> candidate and stated that he will end the incredible
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> corruption in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Washington and the failed policies. John McCain has
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> re-defined
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> whole
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> new
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> level of flip-flopping on over two dozen key issues
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> within the
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> last
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> eight
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> years including his own authored bill that he was for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> and
>>
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> now
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> against.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I couldn't give a poop about the experience argument of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> Palin
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> vs
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Obama.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a waste of time. The entire
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> Bush-Cheney-Rumsfeld-Rice-Rove,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> etc
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> administration could be argued to be the most
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> experienced
>>
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> administration
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the history of the White House. A huge amount of prior
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "executive
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> experience". For the first time in recent politics the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Republicans
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> had
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> power in the white house, judicial, house and senate.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> How
>>
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> was
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's one thing to drive a tractor trailer up our butts,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> but
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> when
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> start
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> blowing on the horn while there're doing it, it's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> really
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> gone
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> too
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> far.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> A big thank you for the memories: the debt, the dead,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> the
>>
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> twisting
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> intelligence to "sell" us a war on a country that did
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> not
>>
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> attack
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> us,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> good ol boy ineffectual cronyism, and finally the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> shredding of
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> constitution. With Palin we now we get to have another
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> religious
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> kook
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> satisfy the so-called conservative extremist religious
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> right
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 'bridge'
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> them into this administration and get money.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Spending 5-10 billion dollars a month on Iraq and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> kissing
>>
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> chinese
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> ass
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (borrowing the money) of the most Marxist suppressive
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> government
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> planet at this time is a conservative value?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Finally, the biggest hypocrisy of all . That these
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> extremists
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> actually
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> think
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that they and the republicans are the vanguards of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> conservatism?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> The
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> two
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> top key pillars of conservatism are less government and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> government
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> intrusion
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and fiscal responsibility. The only administration that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> walked
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> talk
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 50 years was a Democrat that left Bush a 500 billion
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> dollar
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> surplus.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> He
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> blew
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> threw that in one year and it was prior to 9-11. And
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> there is
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> no
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> greater
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> government intrusion that being told what you can or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> cannot do
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> with or
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> put
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> into your body. Palin wants privacy for her family
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> decisions,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> she
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wants
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to legislate publicly what you should do with yours. No
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thanks.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ben Cittadino-2 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My Dear Culture Warriors;
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So....are we having fun yet?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> First, I'd like to thank Richard and Slim for stepping
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> up to
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> join
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Assault on the Citadel".
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The bullets don't sting as much when the adversary's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> fire is
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> spread
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> out
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> among more than one target.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In the words first uttered by Gen. "Vinegar Joe"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> Stillwell,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "illegitimi
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> non carborundum".
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As for Tootle, Brad, and Herb, you guys crack me up. I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> posted
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> about
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Obama
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> only because I saw Tootle's post that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> suggested anybody supporting Obama was either a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> marxist,
>>
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> or a
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> farm
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> animal.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What did he expect when he said that?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Herb, where was your outrage that Tootle would refer
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> to
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> some
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> his
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fellow
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Rhodies" in such derogatry terms? Supporting Obama or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> McCain
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> may turn out to be right or wrong, but if we debate
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> policy
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> don't
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> engage in mere name-calling this "sailor's bar" could
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> be
>>
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> an
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> interesting
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> place.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Richard's "geezer" remarks are defensible on several
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> grounds.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> First,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> he
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was provoked. Second, he was defending ME.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Third, it was funny. Calling someone a "marxist" as
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> Tootle
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> did is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> several
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> magnitudes worse than gentle kidding of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "old fart" kind. Surely you see the difference.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The positions I tried to lay out as reasons some
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> people
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> support
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Obama
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> were
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> intended as an outline of ideology (as Slim noted),
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not an argument supporting any position. For example,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> Herb,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pro-life and will probably vote for McCain/Palin in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> part
>>
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> for
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reason.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am pro-choice, pro-embryonic stem cell research and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> so
>>
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> I
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> support
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Obama/Biden in part for that reason. It is not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> hyperbole
>>
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> to
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> point
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> out
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the policy differences that explain my choice. What I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> know
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> sure
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that marxism and "sheepiness" have nothing to do with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> it. I
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thought
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> about all of my positions on the issues I mentioned
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> and
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> am
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> completely
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> prepared to explain and justify them. In Brad's oft'
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> repeated
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> mantra
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> know I have "done my homework".
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Enough for today. The games will be on soon.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ben C. , s/v Susan Kay, Highlands, NJ
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> __________________________________________________
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> go
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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