[Rhodes22-list] anchoring
Bill Effros
bill at effros.com
Mon Sep 15 13:22:32 EDT 2008
Mary Lou,
My mooring line goes over the bow, but not directly in front -- between
the 2 port (usually) or starboard (sometimes) stantions holding up the
bow rail. It rubs on the toe rail moderately, and I think I will put
some Marine Tex there this winter to reinforce that area and replace
whatever has rubbed off over the years. The canvas sleeve is the only
chafing gear. It is instantly replaceable and has shown no sign of wear.
The placement of the bow line off-center causes the boat to sit slightly
cockeyed to the elements, and the resulting friction on the gear reduces
hunting.
I have a tidal shift of 7 to 8 feet every 6 hours which creates a
sizable current which normally overcomes the wind, so my boat is
constantly shifting direction even when there is no wind at all.
If hunting on a constant forward point is an issue for you, consider
setting a forward anchor tied to the stern cleat on the same side your
anchor exits the bow stantions. This will keep your boat constantly in
1 position, and minimize chafing.
BE
Mary Lou Troy wrote:
> Bill,
> How do you route the mooring line as it goes over the bow - or do you
> have a bridle?
>
> At anchor Fretless swings quite a bit and the line rubs at the
> stanchions of the bow pulpit and, if it's really swinging, on the
> stem fitting. What do you use for chafing gear? We don't have chocks
> either and I've often thought they may cause more chafe than they solve.
>
> Thanks,
> Mary Lou
>
> At 11:47 AM 9/15/2008, you wrote:
>
>> Peter,
>>
>> What difference do think the weight of a boat implies for the size of
>> the anchor?
>>
>> I would imagine windage is the factor.
>>
>> No matter what they weigh, all boats float.
>>
>> If weight were the factor, the size of a battleship anchor in proportion
>> to it's weight would be substantially less than the size anchor most
>> people carry on their Rhodes 22s.
>>
>> Someone recently told me that if you take away wind and current, a 25 lb
>> Fortress anchor will hold an aircraft carrier.
>>
>> I've never tried it, though.
>>
>> As I've often mentioned, a 2 1/2 lb Fortress Guardian is my go-to
>> anchor. I set it from the stern, and walk it forward. Once properly
>> set, it is extremely difficult to dislodge until you get almost directly
>> above it. There is never enough windage on my boat to deform the
>> anchor, part the line, challenge the shackle.
>>
>> My boat is moored on a 300 lb mushroom anchor as are virtually all of
>> the boats in the cove where I keep my boat. (There are hundreds.)
>>
>> The cove has been hit by strong winds from time to time, but few move
>>
> >from their moorings. The biggest fear of damage is from other boats
>
>> coming loose, and debris.
>>
>> The entire fleet swings on individual anchors. Anchoring bow and stern
>> puts you broadside to the wind with enormous stress on the anchoring
>> system if the wind is shifting. Mushroom anchors are just as strong in
>> 360 degrees, and you expose your boat to the least stress.
>>
>> If I had the problem of moving my boat under storm conditions I would
>> try to rig up an air bag on a mushroom anchor so I could tow it to the
>> place I wanted to set my boat, release the air, and sit on the single
>> mushroom.
>>
>> When your boat is floating freely and always facing the wind there is no
>> chafing problem to speak of, and while the wind creates uncomfortable
>> creaking in all of the boats, the mechanical stress on the components
>> seems negligible. I put a canvas chafe guard on my bow line where it
>> goes over the edge of the boat (no chock). I have not had to replace
>> the chafe guard in 10 years of use.
>>
>> Most wind damage around here is done to boats on shore. The wind
>> topples one into the next. I suspect my boat is far safer in the water
>> than it is on land.
>>
>> Bill Effros
>>
>>
>>
>> Peter Thorn wrote:
>>
>>> elle,
>>>
>>> Broad Creek in New Bern, where Blackbeard is located, is the best hurricane
>>> hole for miles around. When a surge is expected and boats must
>>>
>> leave their
>>
>>> docks, everybody around there seems to head for Broad
>>>
>> Creek. It's about 15
>>
>>> feet of water, then 10' of mud/muck bottom river bottom and then hard clay
>>> underneath, according to borings made for the seawall engineering design at
>>> our club.
>>>
>>> If a storm passes close by, the wind direction can shift greatly during the
>>> storm. This adds a different challenge to anchoring. Some
>>>
>> anchors are very
>>
>>> good at setting, like Delta plow, others are very good at holding in mud,
>>> like the Fortress with the 45 degree fluke settings. But, if broken loose
>>> during a storm while the wind direction is changing, a Fortress will more
>>> easily drag and is more difficult to reset.
>>>
>>> Different people do different things. One popular anchoring technique is
>>> the Bahamian, using two anchors at 45-180 angles. Other experienced storm
>>> survivors here have used two anchors in series to cope with our special
>>> bottom conditions. Usually, coming from the direction of the boat, the
>>> first anchor is a Delta plow type with the usual nylon rode and chain.
>>> Then, they add about 30' of stainless cable and attach a Fortress or
>>> Danforth type. The idea is the Delta plow will quickly reset if the
>>> direction changes and slow down dragging long enough for the Fortress to
>>> also reset, dig in and hold on hard. A friend with a Gulfstar 37 has used
>>> this technique for ten years with great success in Broad
>>>
>> Creek. His boat is
>>
>>> heavy and I know he uses large sizes (not sure how large), but I think the
>>> same technique would work for a 3000# R22 with smaller ground tackle.
>>>
>>> Fortunately for Raven, two days before Hannah arrived I just hauled her
>>> home. This is a wonderful advantage of a trailerable. But it think it's
>>> always a good idea to be prepared for whatever the wind gods send us.
>>>
>>> May all your storms go the other way,
>>>
>>> PT
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
>>> [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of elle
>>> Sent: Sunday, September 14, 2008 8:21 PM
>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] anchoring
>>>
>>> Well; what a coincidence.....anchoring is on my mind.
>>>
>>> It seems that when Hanna was deciding where to rest her head, we decided to
>>> anchor the boats (mine & my neighbor's ) in the creek...which is a
>>> well-protected hurrricane hole.
>>>
>>> The favored anchoring scheme is two anchors each set at about 45
>>>
>> deg off the
>>
>>> bow. I have the (way too light) Danforth-style which comes with the boat &
>>> another 21lb Danforth, 200' of rode & @ 8-10' of chain.
>>>
>>> Problem 1....how to anchor from the bow as the furling mechanism is in the
>>> way if we go out straight from the bow cleat....or have massive chafing if
>>> we run the rode outside of the bow pulpit...boat will then not be
>>> head-to-wind.....
>>>
>>> Problem 2...this creek has a thick layer of detritus..mainly
>>> leaves...coating the bottom....the heavy Danforth would not set w/all the
>>> junk, so a new anchor is in my future.
>>>
>>> Anyone have any suggestions? I am looking at a Delta as the CQR (my first
>>> choice) is 'way too much $$$$$.
>>>
>>> We ended up securing one end of the boat to a forward piling and the other
>>> to a tree on shore.
>>>
>>>
>>> elle
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> We can't change the angle of the wind....but we can adjust our sails.
>>>
>>> 1992 Rhodes 22 Recyc '06 "WaterMusic" (Lady in Red)
>>>
>>>
>>> --- On Sun, 9/14/08, Michael D. Weisner <mweisner at ebsmed.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> From: Michael D. Weisner <mweisner at ebsmed.com>
>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] anchoring
>>>> To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>> Date: Sunday, September 14, 2008, 6:27 PM
>>>> Paul,
>>>>
>>>> We must have beaten this topic to death several times in
>>>> the past. A quick
>>>> check of the nabble archives under "anchor
>>>> locker" yielded:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>> http://www.nabble.com/anchor-locker---dumb-questions-to18156518.html#a181565
>>
>>> 18
>>>
>>>
>>>> http://www.nabble.com/Anchor-rode-spaghetti-to18071799.html#a18144554
>>>>
>>>> http://www.nabble.com/Anchor-rode-spaghetti-to18135271.html#a18135271
>>>>
>>>> http://www.nabble.com/New-Guy-Bill-D.-tp7060395p7069009.html
>>>>
>>>> http://www.nabble.com/Anchoring---Again-to5113633.html#a5113633
>>>>
>>>> http://www.nabble.com/Go-To-Anchor-to2383036.html#a2383036
>>>>
>>>> You get the idea. Most of us seem to use a Rubbermaid
>>>> basket in the laz or
>>>> under a cockpit seat for the stern anchor, although I
>>>> prefer a bag hung on
>>>> the stern rail. I still use the forward locker for my bow
>>>> anchor rode
>>>> storage. I cleat it to the central foredeck cleat and pass
>>>> it through my
>>>> bow chocks.
>>>>
>>>> Mike
>>>> s/v Shanghaid'd Summer ('81)
>>>> Nissequogue River, NY
>>>>
>>>> From: "Paul Krawitz"
>>>> <krawitzmail-rhodes22 at yahoo.com>Sent: Sunday,
>>>> September
>>>> 14, 2008 5:53 PM
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> How do you guys anchor?
>>>>>
>>>>> The forepeak (tiny bow storage area) is an
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> impractical way to store
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> rode and the opening is to small for my big hands to
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> get in there.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> I've resorted to storing the rode below the
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> cockpit benches, in a
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Rubbermaid container, and walking it forward and
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> attaching it to the
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Danforth anchor handing from the bow pulpit when I
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> need to.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Where do you cleat it? The central bow cleat?
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm hoping someone has a better suggestion.
>>>>>
>>>>> Paul K
>>>>> "Clarity"
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