[Rhodes22-list] anchoring
Bill Effros
bill at effros.com
Mon Sep 15 13:23:42 EDT 2008
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Stantions is spelled with a ch! Couldn't figure it out...
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Mary Lou Troy wrote:
> Bill,
> How do you route the mooring line as it goes over the bow - or do you
> have a bridle?
>
> At anchor Fretless swings quite a bit and the line rubs at the
> stanchions of the bow pulpit and, if it's really swinging, on the
> stem fitting. What do you use for chafing gear? We don't have chocks
> either and I've often thought they may cause more chafe than they solve.
>
> Thanks,
> Mary Lou
>
> At 11:47 AM 9/15/2008, you wrote:
>
>> Peter,
>>
>> What difference do think the weight of a boat implies for the size of
>> the anchor?
>>
>> I would imagine windage is the factor.
>>
>> No matter what they weigh, all boats float.
>>
>> If weight were the factor, the size of a battleship anchor in proportion
>> to it's weight would be substantially less than the size anchor most
>> people carry on their Rhodes 22s.
>>
>> Someone recently told me that if you take away wind and current, a 25 lb
>> Fortress anchor will hold an aircraft carrier.
>>
>> I've never tried it, though.
>>
>> As I've often mentioned, a 2 1/2 lb Fortress Guardian is my go-to
>> anchor. I set it from the stern, and walk it forward. Once properly
>> set, it is extremely difficult to dislodge until you get almost directly
>> above it. There is never enough windage on my boat to deform the
>> anchor, part the line, challenge the shackle.
>>
>> My boat is moored on a 300 lb mushroom anchor as are virtually all of
>> the boats in the cove where I keep my boat. (There are hundreds.)
>>
>> The cove has been hit by strong winds from time to time, but few move
>>
> >from their moorings. The biggest fear of damage is from other boats
>
>> coming loose, and debris.
>>
>> The entire fleet swings on individual anchors. Anchoring bow and stern
>> puts you broadside to the wind with enormous stress on the anchoring
>> system if the wind is shifting. Mushroom anchors are just as strong in
>> 360 degrees, and you expose your boat to the least stress.
>>
>> If I had the problem of moving my boat under storm conditions I would
>> try to rig up an air bag on a mushroom anchor so I could tow it to the
>> place I wanted to set my boat, release the air, and sit on the single
>> mushroom.
>>
>> When your boat is floating freely and always facing the wind there is no
>> chafing problem to speak of, and while the wind creates uncomfortable
>> creaking in all of the boats, the mechanical stress on the components
>> seems negligible. I put a canvas chafe guard on my bow line where it
>> goes over the edge of the boat (no chock). I have not had to replace
>> the chafe guard in 10 years of use.
>>
>> Most wind damage around here is done to boats on shore. The wind
>> topples one into the next. I suspect my boat is far safer in the water
>> than it is on land.
>>
>> Bill Effros
>>
>>
>>
>> Peter Thorn wrote:
>>
>>> elle,
>>>
>>> Broad Creek in New Bern, where Blackbeard is located, is the best hurricane
>>> hole for miles around. When a surge is expected and boats must
>>>
>> leave their
>>
>>> docks, everybody around there seems to head for Broad
>>>
>> Creek. It's about 15
>>
>>> feet of water, then 10' of mud/muck bottom river bottom and then hard clay
>>> underneath, according to borings made for the seawall engineering design at
>>> our club.
>>>
>>> If a storm passes close by, the wind direction can shift greatly during the
>>> storm. This adds a different challenge to anchoring. Some
>>>
>> anchors are very
>>
>>> good at setting, like Delta plow, others are very good at holding in mud,
>>> like the Fortress with the 45 degree fluke settings. But, if broken loose
>>> during a storm while the wind direction is changing, a Fortress will more
>>> easily drag and is more difficult to reset.
>>>
>>> Different people do different things. One popular anchoring technique is
>>> the Bahamian, using two anchors at 45-180 angles. Other experienced storm
>>> survivors here have used two anchors in series to cope with our special
>>> bottom conditions. Usually, coming from the direction of the boat, the
>>> first anchor is a Delta plow type with the usual nylon rode and chain.
>>> Then, they add about 30' of stainless cable and attach a Fortress or
>>> Danforth type. The idea is the Delta plow will quickly reset if the
>>> direction changes and slow down dragging long enough for the Fortress to
>>> also reset, dig in and hold on hard. A friend with a Gulfstar 37 has used
>>> this technique for ten years with great success in Broad
>>>
>> Creek. His boat is
>>
>>> heavy and I know he uses large sizes (not sure how large), but I think the
>>> same technique would work for a 3000# R22 with smaller ground tackle.
>>>
>>> Fortunately for Raven, two days before Hannah arrived I just hauled her
>>> home. This is a wonderful advantage of a trailerable. But it think it's
>>> always a good idea to be prepared for whatever the wind gods send us.
>>>
>>> May all your storms go the other way,
>>>
>>> PT
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
>>> [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of elle
>>> Sent: Sunday, September 14, 2008 8:21 PM
>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] anchoring
>>>
>>> Well; what a coincidence.....anchoring is on my mind.
>>>
>>> It seems that when Hanna was deciding where to rest her head, we decided to
>>> anchor the boats (mine & my neighbor's ) in the creek...which is a
>>> well-protected hurrricane hole.
>>>
>>> The favored anchoring scheme is two anchors each set at about 45
>>>
>> deg off the
>>
>>> bow. I have the (way too light) Danforth-style which comes with the boat &
>>> another 21lb Danforth, 200' of rode & @ 8-10' of chain.
>>>
>>> Problem 1....how to anchor from the bow as the furling mechanism is in the
>>> way if we go out straight from the bow cleat....or have massive chafing if
>>> we run the rode outside of the bow pulpit...boat will then not be
>>> head-to-wind.....
>>>
>>> Problem 2...this creek has a thick layer of detritus..mainly
>>> leaves...coating the bottom....the heavy Danforth would not set w/all the
>>> junk, so a new anchor is in my future.
>>>
>>> Anyone have any suggestions? I am looking at a Delta as the CQR (my first
>>> choice) is 'way too much $$$$$.
>>>
>>> We ended up securing one end of the boat to a forward piling and the other
>>> to a tree on shore.
>>>
>>>
>>> elle
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> We can't change the angle of the wind....but we can adjust our sails.
>>>
>>> 1992 Rhodes 22 Recyc '06 "WaterMusic" (Lady in Red)
>>>
>>>
>>> --- On Sun, 9/14/08, Michael D. Weisner <mweisner at ebsmed.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> From: Michael D. Weisner <mweisner at ebsmed.com>
>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] anchoring
>>>> To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>> Date: Sunday, September 14, 2008, 6:27 PM
>>>> Paul,
>>>>
>>>> We must have beaten this topic to death several times in
>>>> the past. A quick
>>>> check of the nabble archives under "anchor
>>>> locker" yielded:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>> http://www.nabble.com/anchor-locker---dumb-questions-to18156518.html#a181565
>>
>>> 18
>>>
>>>
>>>> http://www.nabble.com/Anchor-rode-spaghetti-to18071799.html#a18144554
>>>>
>>>> http://www.nabble.com/Anchor-rode-spaghetti-to18135271.html#a18135271
>>>>
>>>> http://www.nabble.com/New-Guy-Bill-D.-tp7060395p7069009.html
>>>>
>>>> http://www.nabble.com/Anchoring---Again-to5113633.html#a5113633
>>>>
>>>> http://www.nabble.com/Go-To-Anchor-to2383036.html#a2383036
>>>>
>>>> You get the idea. Most of us seem to use a Rubbermaid
>>>> basket in the laz or
>>>> under a cockpit seat for the stern anchor, although I
>>>> prefer a bag hung on
>>>> the stern rail. I still use the forward locker for my bow
>>>> anchor rode
>>>> storage. I cleat it to the central foredeck cleat and pass
>>>> it through my
>>>> bow chocks.
>>>>
>>>> Mike
>>>> s/v Shanghaid'd Summer ('81)
>>>> Nissequogue River, NY
>>>>
>>>> From: "Paul Krawitz"
>>>> <krawitzmail-rhodes22 at yahoo.com>Sent: Sunday,
>>>> September
>>>> 14, 2008 5:53 PM
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> How do you guys anchor?
>>>>>
>>>>> The forepeak (tiny bow storage area) is an
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> impractical way to store
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> rode and the opening is to small for my big hands to
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> get in there.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> I've resorted to storing the rode below the
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> cockpit benches, in a
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Rubbermaid container, and walking it forward and
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> attaching it to the
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Danforth anchor handing from the bow pulpit when I
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> need to.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Where do you cleat it? The central bow cleat?
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm hoping someone has a better suggestion.
>>>>>
>>>>> Paul K
>>>>> "Clarity"
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