[Rhodes22-list] Pointing Problem

Mon Sep 22 11:36:01 EDT 2008

Must have been very different down your way. We sailed over to the 
Magothy on a broad reach on Saturday. Don't think we ever saw 10 - 
probably was about 8 max and generally less. Seemed a bit shifty but 
that could have been apparent wind changing as our speed dropped in 
the lulls. Did a lot of adjusting of the sails. Boat speed got up to 
4 but was mostly in the 2.5 to 3.5 range. Still, it was a great day 
to be out on the water. Joined our sailing association raft-up in the 
cove north of Gibson Island. Stayed rafted overnight which we rarely 
do. Missed anchoring our so after motoring all the way home (the bay 
was like glass - rolling glass from all the boat wakes), we came home 
did a few chores and went back out for dinner on the water and an 
anchored out overnight in Swan Creek. Certainly is a beautiful time 
of year here on the bay.

Mary Lou
1991 R22 Fretless
Rock Hall, MD

At 11:06 AM 9/22/2008, you wrote:
>Paul,
>
>Don't know if this helps but on Saturday I went out single-handed 
>with the winds very consistent at about 10 to 10.5 knots.
>
>Board down, traveler centered, full main, poptop up, sheets between 
>inner and outer shrouds across the deck, Genoa furled just past the 
>outer shroud to about 115%.  Tiller locked in the center.  Heel 
>between 10 and 15 degrees.  Body weight mostly on windward 
>seat.  Chop was only a little more than a foot.  Speed was 
>consistent at just above 4 knots.  Tacked and after recovery there 
>was a 90 degree difference on the compass, which would be exactly 45 
>degrees into the wind.  By that calculation I could have been doing 
>40 degrees on one tack and 50 degrees on the other but it's 
>doubtful.  Heel was slightly more on the starboard tack due to the 
>weight of the motor.
>
>I was a little surprised that the boat would do that well with the 
>poptop up, boom up, and without the sheets being ran across the 
>poptop between the mast and inner shroud.  I still believe that in 
>the right conditions the boat will do better than 40 degrees, 
>although I don't know how much speed would be lost.
>
>Decided to complete the triangle and sail back to the marina 
>entrance on a run with the wind and waves directly behind 
>me.  Furled in the Genoa and released the boom so it was just 
>touching the shrouds.  The loose-footed main was still pulled flat 
>tight and the inner shroud protruded into the sail.  Not exactly 
>optimal sail shape for the point-of-sail.  Pulled up the 
>centerboard.  Speed was about 5 knots, but I think the waves helped 
>a lot.  Sailing with just the main is certainly an easy means of 
>sailing with the wind.  Tiller again was locked to the center and my 
>weight was balanced in the center of the boat.
>
>Had time to do another triangle so I tried it with the exact same 
>conditions but with the centerboard up.  Compass reading difference 
>was 98 degrees and speed picked up about 0.3 knots.  Heeled 
>increased but less than 5 degrees.
>
>On a scale of 1 to 10, I hate to rate anthing a 10, so I'll give the 
>sailing conditions on Saturday a 9.9.
>
>Lee
>
>
>
>
>________________________________
>
>From: Alan Robertson [mailto:bigal_61 at msn.com]
>Sent: Sun 9/21/2008 10:11 PM
>To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Pointing Problem
>
>
>
>I realize that you sail a lot single handed; we don't. The only time 
>we can point up closer is to run the jib sheets inside of the 
>outmost shrouds, sit any "friendly" guests over 150 lbs. on the 
>windward side with life preservers buckled and get THOR IV over on a 
>nice 12-15 degree heel. Anything more or any weight on the leeward 
>side means a mop-up job if the non-sailors have just had lunch!
>Bigal_61 at msn.com
>
>----- Original Message -----
>   From: Paul Krawitz<mailto:krawitzmail-rhodes22 at yahoo.com>
>   To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>   Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2008 8:13 AM
>   Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Pointing Problem
>
>
>   I love the way my Rhodes 22 handles in all points of sail except when it is
>   close hauled.
>   In my narrow harbor, being able to point close to the wind is the 
> difference
>   between returning home in 30 minutes versus 3 hours.
>
>   Now I'm not asking to be able to be 30 degrees off the wind like those two
>   guys racing around in a catamaran with no seating and two angled standing
>   platforms, and like members of the Joffrey Ballet, gracefully leaping from
>   one side to the other, making smooth and instantaneous tacks and traveling
>   at 15 knots (no exaggeration).
>   (P.S. What is that thing?)
>
>   But it would be nice to make 90 degree rather than 110 or 120 degree tacks.
>
>   Stan put in two internal lead systems on the new Rhodes, in which the jib
>   sheets travel either inside one or two of the shrouds. But the sail area is
>   so much smaller with the new system that making headway is difficult.
>
>   Furling the genoa jib 50% with the sheets on their normal path outside the
>   shrouds seems to be the best compromise, but I'm still 50-60 
> degrees off the
>   wind.
>
>   I tried tightening the backstays to stiffen up the jib luff. The jib looks
>   cleaner, but I'm still too far off the wind.
>
>   And yes, the centerboard is down.
>
>   What works for you?
>
>   Paul K
>   "Clarity"
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