[Rhodes22-list] Was Pointing Problem/ Now whisker pole recommendation.
R22RumRunner at aol.com
R22RumRunner at aol.com
Mon Sep 22 14:44:03 EDT 2008
Lee,
Captain Keller and I both use the Forespar small twist lock pole that goes
from 6 to 12 feet. It has a snap lock on one end (boat end) and a spike on the
sail end. It is relatively inexpensive so if you lose it overboard or happen
to break it the pain of replacing it won't be so great.
Forespar part # 406000
WM part # 111179
Back when I bought mine they were around $125.00. Now they are closer to
$150.00, but it really is a worthwhile expenditure. Everyone knows I don't go
for the gadgets because they either break or are in the way, but this is one
piece of hardware I use a lot. It will store nicely in the storage compartments
on either side of the V berth.
I placed a hook on the front of the mast, but have never used it. I usually
attach it to a lower part of a shroud which is more easily accessible from the
cockpit when under sail. I find it to be fun to experiment with. It really
stretches out the 175 and makes it an awesome sight going wing on wing. Try
that in 10 mile an hour winds and you will understand what extreme sailing is
all about. I have actually buried the bow before I was able to release
everything and turn upwind. Washed the decks clean and even cleaned the carpet in
the cabin. :)
Rummy
In a message dated 9/22/2008 1:39:52 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
LKUHN at cnmc.org writes:
Rummy,
Last week I sent an email to Stan for some parts. I also asked him if he
had a used whisker pole lying around.
Assuming he doesn't have an old one, do you have any recommendations on what
pole works well with the Rhodes?
Thanks!
Lee
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From: R22RumRunner at aol.com [mailto:R22RumRunner at aol.com]
Sent: Mon 9/22/2008 11:33 AM
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Pointing Problem
Lee,
With a whisker pole you could have left the full 175 genny out and really
had a ride going wing on wing.
Rummy
In a message dated 9/22/2008 11:08:26 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
LKUHN at cnmc.org writes:
Paul,
Don't know if this helps but on Saturday I went out single-handed with the
winds very consistent at about 10 to 10.5 knots.
Board down, traveler centered, full main, poptop up, sheets between inner
and outer shrouds across the deck, Genoa furled just past the outer shroud
to
about 115%. Tiller locked in the center. Heel between 10 and 15 degrees.
Body weight mostly on windward seat. Chop was only a little more than a
foot.
Speed was consistent at just above 4 knots. Tacked and after recovery
there
was a 90 degree difference on the compass, which would be exactly 45 degrees
into the wind. By that calculation I could have been doing 40 degrees on
one tack and 50 degrees on the other but it's doubtful. Heel was slightly
more
on the starboard tack due to the weight of the motor.
I was a little surprised that the boat would do that well with the poptop
up, boom up, and without the sheets being ran across the poptop between the
mast and inner shroud. I still believe that in the right conditions the
boat
will do better than 40 degrees, although I don't know how much speed would
be
lost.
Decided to complete the triangle and sail back to the marina entrance on a
run with the wind and waves directly behind me. Furled in the Genoa and
released the boom so it was just touching the shrouds. The loose-footed
main was
still pulled flat tight and the inner shroud protruded into the sail. Not
exactly optimal sail shape for the point-of-sail. Pulled up the
centerboard.
Speed was about 5 knots, but I think the waves helped a lot. Sailing with
just the main is certainly an easy means of sailing with the wind. Tiller
again was locked to the center and my weight was balanced in the center of
the
boat.
Had time to do another triangle so I tried it with the exact same
conditions
but with the centerboard up. Compass reading difference was 98 degrees and
speed picked up about 0.3 knots. Heeled increased but less than 5 degrees.
On a scale of 1 to 10, I hate to rate anthing a 10, so I'll give the sailing
conditions on Saturday a 9.9.
Lee
________________________________
From: Alan Robertson [mailto:bigal_61 at msn.com]
Sent: Sun 9/21/2008 10:11 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Pointing Problem
I realize that you sail a lot single handed; we don't. The only time we can
point up closer is to run the jib sheets inside of the outmost shrouds, sit
any "friendly" guests over 150 lbs. on the windward side with life
preservers
buckled and get THOR IV over on a nice 12-15 degree heel. Anything more or
any weight on the leeward side means a mop-up job if the non-sailors have
just
had lunch!
Bigal_61 at msn.com
----- Original Message -----
From: Paul Krawitz<mailto:krawitzmail-rhodes22 at yahoo.com>
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2008 8:13 AM
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Pointing Problem
I love the way my Rhodes 22 handles in all points of sail except when it is
close hauled.
In my narrow harbor, being able to point close to the wind is the
difference
between returning home in 30 minutes versus 3 hours.
Now I'm not asking to be able to be 30 degrees off the wind like those two
guys racing around in a catamaran with no seating and two angled standing
platforms, and like members of the Joffrey Ballet, gracefully leaping from
one side to the other, making smooth and instantaneous tacks and traveling
at 15 knots (no exaggeration).
(P.S. What is that thing?)
But it would be nice to make 90 degree rather than 110 or 120 degree tacks.
Stan put in two internal lead systems on the new Rhodes, in which the jib
sheets travel either inside one or two of the shrouds. But the sail area is
so much smaller with the new system that making headway is difficult.
Furling the genoa jib 50% with the sheets on their normal path outside the
shrouds seems to be the best compromise, but I'm still 50-60 degrees off the
wind.
I tried tightening the backstays to stiffen up the jib luff. The jib looks
cleaner, but I'm still too far off the wind.
And yes, the centerboard is down.
What works for you?
Paul K
"Clarity"
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