[Rhodes22-list] Was Pointing Problem/ Now whisker pole recommendation.
Leland
LKUHN at cnmc.org
Mon Sep 22 15:22:10 EDT 2008
Rummy,
I've always been attracted to the cheap and easy.
Thanks!
Lee
R22RumRunner wrote:
>
> Lee,
> Captain Keller and I both use the Forespar small twist lock pole that goes
> from 6 to 12 feet. It has a snap lock on one end (boat end) and a spike on
> the
> sail end. It is relatively inexpensive so if you lose it overboard or
> happen
> to break it the pain of replacing it won't be so great.
> Forespar part # 406000
> WM part # 111179
> Back when I bought mine they were around $125.00. Now they are closer to
> $150.00, but it really is a worthwhile expenditure. Everyone knows I don't
> go
> for the gadgets because they either break or are in the way, but this is
> one
> piece of hardware I use a lot. It will store nicely in the storage
> compartments
> on either side of the V berth.
> I placed a hook on the front of the mast, but have never used it. I
> usually
> attach it to a lower part of a shroud which is more easily accessible from
> the
> cockpit when under sail. I find it to be fun to experiment with. It
> really
> stretches out the 175 and makes it an awesome sight going wing on wing.
> Try
> that in 10 mile an hour winds and you will understand what extreme
> sailing is
> all about. I have actually buried the bow before I was able to release
> everything and turn upwind. Washed the decks clean and even cleaned the
> carpet in
> the cabin. :)
>
> Rummy
>
>
> In a message dated 9/22/2008 1:39:52 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> LKUHN at cnmc.org writes:
>
> Rummy,
>
> Last week I sent an email to Stan for some parts. I also asked him if he
> had a used whisker pole lying around.
>
> Assuming he doesn't have an old one, do you have any recommendations on
> what
> pole works well with the Rhodes?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Lee
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: R22RumRunner at aol.com [mailto:R22RumRunner at aol.com]
> Sent: Mon 9/22/2008 11:33 AM
> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Pointing Problem
>
>
>
> Lee,
> With a whisker pole you could have left the full 175 genny out and really
> had a ride going wing on wing.
>
> Rummy
>
>
> In a message dated 9/22/2008 11:08:26 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> LKUHN at cnmc.org writes:
>
> Paul,
>
> Don't know if this helps but on Saturday I went out single-handed with
> the
> winds very consistent at about 10 to 10.5 knots.
>
> Board down, traveler centered, full main, poptop up, sheets between
> inner
> and outer shrouds across the deck, Genoa furled just past the outer
> shroud
> to
> about 115%. Tiller locked in the center. Heel between 10 and 15
> degrees.
> Body weight mostly on windward seat. Chop was only a little more than a
> foot.
> Speed was consistent at just above 4 knots. Tacked and after recovery
> there
> was a 90 degree difference on the compass, which would be exactly 45
> degrees
> into the wind. By that calculation I could have been doing 40 degrees
> on
> one tack and 50 degrees on the other but it's doubtful. Heel was
> slightly
> more
> on the starboard tack due to the weight of the motor.
>
> I was a little surprised that the boat would do that well with the
> poptop
> up, boom up, and without the sheets being ran across the poptop between
> the
> mast and inner shroud. I still believe that in the right conditions the
> boat
> will do better than 40 degrees, although I don't know how much speed
> would
> be
> lost.
>
> Decided to complete the triangle and sail back to the marina entrance on
> a
> run with the wind and waves directly behind me. Furled in the Genoa and
> released the boom so it was just touching the shrouds. The loose-footed
> main was
> still pulled flat tight and the inner shroud protruded into the sail.
> Not
> exactly optimal sail shape for the point-of-sail. Pulled up the
> centerboard.
> Speed was about 5 knots, but I think the waves helped a lot. Sailing
> with
> just the main is certainly an easy means of sailing with the wind.
> Tiller
> again was locked to the center and my weight was balanced in the center
> of
> the
> boat.
>
> Had time to do another triangle so I tried it with the exact same
> conditions
> but with the centerboard up. Compass reading difference was 98 degrees
> and
> speed picked up about 0.3 knots. Heeled increased but less than 5
> degrees.
>
> On a scale of 1 to 10, I hate to rate anthing a 10, so I'll give the
> sailing
> conditions on Saturday a 9.9.
>
> Lee
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: Alan Robertson [mailto:bigal_61 at msn.com]
> Sent: Sun 9/21/2008 10:11 PM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Pointing Problem
>
>
>
> I realize that you sail a lot single handed; we don't. The only time we
> can
> point up closer is to run the jib sheets inside of the outmost shrouds,
> sit
> any "friendly" guests over 150 lbs. on the windward side with life
> preservers
> buckled and get THOR IV over on a nice 12-15 degree heel. Anything more
> or
> any weight on the leeward side means a mop-up job if the non-sailors
> have
> just
> had lunch!
> Bigal_61 at msn.com
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Paul Krawitz<mailto:krawitzmail-rhodes22 at yahoo.com>
> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2008 8:13 AM
> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Pointing Problem
>
>
> I love the way my Rhodes 22 handles in all points of sail except when it
> is
> close hauled.
> In my narrow harbor, being able to point close to the wind is the
> difference
> between returning home in 30 minutes versus 3 hours.
>
> Now I'm not asking to be able to be 30 degrees off the wind like those
> two
> guys racing around in a catamaran with no seating and two angled
> standing
> platforms, and like members of the Joffrey Ballet, gracefully leaping
> from
> one side to the other, making smooth and instantaneous tacks and
> traveling
> at 15 knots (no exaggeration).
> (P.S. What is that thing?)
>
> But it would be nice to make 90 degree rather than 110 or 120 degree
> tacks.
>
> Stan put in two internal lead systems on the new Rhodes, in which the
> jib
> sheets travel either inside one or two of the shrouds. But the sail area
> is
> so much smaller with the new system that making headway is difficult.
>
> Furling the genoa jib 50% with the sheets on their normal path outside
> the
> shrouds seems to be the best compromise, but I'm still 50-60 degrees off
> the
> wind.
>
> I tried tightening the backstays to stiffen up the jib luff. The jib
> looks
> cleaner, but I'm still too far off the wind.
>
> And yes, the centerboard is down.
>
> What works for you?
>
> Paul K
> "Clarity"
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