[Rhodes22-list] Andrew Collins and his Fallow Traveler
Herb Parsons
hparsons at parsonsys.com
Wed Sep 24 17:31:21 EDT 2008
Thanks for the clarification. We teach a class every year at our club
(yeah, I know there's folks on here that think I don't sail, but somehow
I managed to squeeze in a 25 ton masters, so let 'em think what they
want) and the terms are pretty consistently confused, even by folks with
experience.
Your use of "fancy Harkens" made me think you were talking about cam
cleats. I couldn't picture how a clamcleat could move much towards
"fancy"; but then, leave it to Harken, huh?
Peter Thorn wrote:
> Herb,
>
> Actually I was writing about clamcleats and that's why I used the term
> "clamcleats". First, I replaced the plastic clams with aluminum clams that
> just hold the line better than the plastic ones. Only downside is cost.
>
> Then I upgraded to Roger P's choice. The Harken 2741s are a much better
> mousetrap because there is a small ball bearing sheeve and cam cleat mounted
> in the direction of pull. See the picture. Again, the only downside is
> cost.
>
> PT
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
> [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Herb Parsons
> Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 4:31 PM
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> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Andrew Collins and his Fallow Traveler
>
> Might be a good time for a little clarification on terms. Peter, you may
> be talking about clamcleats, but it sounds more like camcleats.
>
> Clamcleats have no moving parts. They look like a v-slot with ridges
> inside that hold the line.
>
> Camcleats have moving jaws that will only let the line move one direction.
>
>
> Peter Thorn wrote:
>
>> Bob,
>>
>> I got my black aluminum "racing style" clamcleats from APS, before I
>>
> bought
>
>> the fancy Harkens. If you want them, I'll sell you them for half of
>> today's price plus shipping. But, you might want to check out the Harken
>> 2741s. They work so much better!
>>
>> PT
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
>> [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Bob Weber
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 3:12 PM
>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Andrew Collins and his Fallow Traveler
>>
>>
>> Mary Lou or any one, I would use my traveller more if I had better cleats.
>> I have pretty worn "jam" cleats and they tend to slip. If anyone has
>>
> found
>
>> cam cleates that will fit on the trallever bar, let me know where you got
>> them. Thanks Bob Weber> Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 14:56:08 -0400> To:
>> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> From: mtroy at atlanticbb.net> Subject: Re:
>> [Rhodes22-list] Andrew Collins and his Fallow Traveler> > Assumptions,
>> assumptions! How do you know that most Rhodies do not > use their
>>
> traveller?
>
>> In the interest of clarity - I don't know > whether they do or not. You
>> could be right.> > We do use our traveller. We like fiddling with the
>> controls and > seeing what we can do to improve performance. The traveller
>> is a > great tool and I would encourage everyone to unwrap those lines and
>>
>> try it out. There's nothing particularly mysterious about it. It just >
>> increases or decreases the twist in the sail. It is easier to use > with a
>> continuous line but you don't have to replace the existing > lines - just
>> tie the two loose ends of the existing line together so > that it is one
>> continuous line.> > Mary Lou> 1991 R22 Fretless> Rock Hall, MD> > > At
>>
> 02:19
>
>> PM 9/24/2008, you wrote:> > >Andrew:> >> >Most Rhodies hardly use their
>> traveler. Peter Thorn recently posted> >modification to his R22's
>>
> Traveler.
>
>> His modification is in part based on> >his use of a traveller for racing.
>>
> If
>
>> you do not race, do not worry about> >not using it. Just ask Captain
>>
> Rummy.>
>
>>
>>
>>>>> Years ago a Rhodie from Tennessee, aka, Wally Buck, devised a simple
>>>>>
> way
>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>> to> >make the traveler easier to use. Instead of two separate lines as
>>
> boat>
>
>>
>>
>>> comes from Stan, Wally replaced both with a single line. I made this>
>>> modification and found that I would occassionally now use the traveler.
>>>
>>>
>> The> >single line modification works if you must use the traveler.> >> >Ed
>> K> >Greenville, SC, USA> >att
>> http://www.nabble.com/file/p19654894/encounters.jpg encounters.jpg>
>>
>>
>>> achment:> >> >> >Andrew Collins-2 wrote:> > >> > > Ben> > >> > > I too
>>>
>>>
>> object to not knowing how to use the traveler, hence it lies fallow.> > >
>> Maybe another sailing course will help me unravel its mysteries and reap>
>>
>>
>>
>>> the> > > rewards in knots.> > >> > > After what seemed like two months of
>>>
>>>
>> the doldrums, I got in a couple of> > > hours of hull speed sailing on
>> Monday, with 4' swells on LIS, no less. The> > > steady east wind created
>> unusual conditions.> > >> > > Anybody else getting out?> > >> > > Andrew>
>>
>>
>>
>>> sv Carmen> > > On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 12:44 PM, Robert Skinner> > >
>>>
>>>
>> <Robert at squirrelhaven.com>wrote:> > >> > >> Ben,> > >>> > >> Perhaps it is
>> best to allow Ed the use of his native tongue.> > >> That makes it easier
>>
> to
>
>> filter, and for those who choose to> > >> scan his rants, it helps them
>> assess the credibility of the> > >> message.> > >>> > >> The quality,
>> inventiveness, and quantity of name-calling is> > >> an amusing study for
>> those who have already figured out what> > >> is going on. For the rest,
>> spinning bull crap is no> > >> substitute for real knowledge, and there is
>> so little of> > >> that available that the contest has degenerated into a>
>>
>>
>>
>>>> beauty contest on both sides.> > >>> > >> Nobody is about changing minds
>>>>
>>>>
>> here. It is all wishful> > >> thinking, roaring, knuckle dragging, and
>>
> chest
>
>> pounding.> > >>> > >> /Robert> > >>> > >> Ben Cittadino wrote:> > >> >
>>
> Dear
>
>> Ed;> > >> >> > >> > First, you date yourself when you use the term "fellow
>> traveler".> > >> Nobody> > >> > has used that expression since 1953 or so.
>> It was one of Joseph> > >> McCarthy's> > >> > favorite epithets. Back then
>> it was cause to bring a libel suit. Now,> > >> as> > >> > then it's a
>>
> taunt
>
>> of fearful men who think everyone who disagrees with> > >> them> > >> > is
>>
> a
>
>> commie. I take exception to your use of the term "fellow> > >> traveler">
>>
>>
>>
>>>> to> > >> > describe me or anyone else on this list. I want you to cut it
>>>>
>>>>
>> out. Got> > >> it?> > >> >> > >> > The term "Rockefeller Republican"
>> describes those members of the> > >> Republican> > >> > Party who
>>
> considered
>
>> themselves socially liberal, fiscally> > >> conservative,> > >> and> > >>
>>
>> strong on defense. It was used in the '60's to differentiate moderate> >
>>
>>
>>
>>> Republicans from those supporting Barry Goldwater. Olympia Snow of> > >>
>>>
>>>
>> Maine> > >> is> > >> > still considered an example of that school of
>> thought.> > >> >> > >> > Cheers!> > >> >> > >> > Ben C.> > >> >> > >> >> >
>>
>>
>>>>>>>>>> Tootle wrote:> > >> >> Ben:> > >> >>> > >> >> Henry Paulson
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>> said the other day he was a "Rockefeller Republican".> > >> >>> > >> >>
>> Since you said that once you were one, before you became a 'fellow> > >>
>>
>> traveler', explain what they are? were?> > >> >>> > >> >> Ed K> > >> >>
>> Greenville, SC, USA> > >> >> Attachment for Ben about Philidelphia
>> Bridges...> > >> >> http://www.nabble.com/file/p19638028/cameras.jpg
>> cameras.jpg> > >> >>> > >> >> > >>
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