[Rhodes22-list] Clarification on Fallow Traveler[s]

Wed Sep 24 17:51:12 EDT 2008

It seems that Andrew started a fad here.  

Peter are you using a single line on your set up?  Your picture explains a
lot to those heretofore not using the traveler.  

Mary Lou, obviously with the responses I stand corrected.  I was going by
historical comments and especially Captain Rummy's tutorials.

Ed K
Greenville, SC, USA
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Peter Thorn wrote:
> 
> Herb,
> 
> Actually I was writing about clamcleats and that's why I used the term
> "clamcleats".  First, I replaced the plastic clams with aluminum clams
> that
> just hold the line better than the plastic ones.  Only downside is cost.
> 
> Then I upgraded to Roger P's choice.  The Harken 2741s are a much better
> mousetrap because there is a small ball bearing sheeve and cam cleat
> mounted
> in the direction of pull.  See the picture.  Again, the only downside is
> cost.
> 
> PT
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
> [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Herb Parsons
> Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 4:31 PM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Andrew Collins and his Fallow Traveler
> 
> Might be a good time for a little clarification on terms. Peter, you may 
> be talking about clamcleats, but it sounds more like camcleats.
> 
> Clamcleats have no moving parts. They look like a v-slot with ridges 
> inside that hold the line.
> 
> Camcleats have moving jaws that will only let the line move one direction.
> 
> 
> Peter Thorn wrote:
>> Bob,
>>
>> I got my black aluminum "racing style" clamcleats from APS, before I
> bought
>> the fancy Harkens.   If you want them, I'll sell you them for half of
>> today's price plus shipping.  But, you might want to check out the Harken
>> 2741s.  They work so much better!
>>
>> PT
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
>> [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Bob Weber
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 3:12 PM
>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Andrew Collins and his Fallow Traveler
>>
>>
>> Mary Lou or any one, I would use my traveller more if I had better
>> cleats.
>> I have pretty worn "jam" cleats and they tend to slip.  If anyone has
> found
>> cam cleates that will fit on the trallever bar, let me know where you got
>> them.  Thanks Bob Weber> Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 14:56:08 -0400> To:
>> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> From: mtroy at atlanticbb.net> Subject: Re:
>> [Rhodes22-list] Andrew Collins and his Fallow Traveler> > Assumptions,
>> assumptions! How do you know that most Rhodies do not > use their
> traveller?
>> In the interest of clarity - I don't know > whether they do or not. You
>> could be right.> > We do use our traveller. We like fiddling with the
>> controls and > seeing what we can do to improve performance. The
>> traveller
>> is a > great tool and I would encourage everyone to unwrap those lines
>> and
>>
>> try it out. There's nothing particularly mysterious about it. It just >
>> increases or decreases the twist in the sail. It is easier to use > with
>> a
>> continuous line but you don't have to replace the existing > lines - just
>> tie the two loose ends of the existing line together so > that it is one
>> continuous line.> > Mary Lou> 1991 R22 Fretless> Rock Hall, MD> > > At
> 02:19
>> PM 9/24/2008, you wrote:> > >Andrew:> >> >Most Rhodies hardly use their
>> traveler. Peter Thorn recently posted> >modification to his R22's
> Traveler.
>> His modification is in part based on> >his use of a traveller for racing.
> If
>> you do not race, do not worry about> >not using it. Just ask Captain
> Rummy.>
>>   
>>>>> Years ago a Rhodie from Tennessee, aka, Wally Buck, devised a simple
> way
>>>>>         
>> to> >make the traveler easier to use. Instead of two separate lines as
> boat>
>>   
>>> comes from Stan, Wally replaced both with a single line. I made this>
>>> modification and found that I would occassionally now use the traveler.
>>>     
>> The> >single line modification works if you must use the traveler.> >>
>> >Ed
>> K> >Greenville, SC, USA> >att
>> http://www.nabble.com/file/p19654894/encounters.jpg encounters.jpg>
>>   
>>> achment:> >> >> >Andrew Collins-2 wrote:> > >> > > Ben> > >> > > I too
>>>     
>> object to not knowing how to use the traveler, hence it lies fallow.> > >
>> Maybe another sailing course will help me unravel its mysteries and reap>
>>
>>   
>>> the> > > rewards in knots.> > >> > > After what seemed like two months
>>> of
>>>     
>> the doldrums, I got in a couple of> > > hours of hull speed sailing on
>> Monday, with 4' swells on LIS, no less. The> > > steady east wind created
>> unusual conditions.> > >> > > Anybody else getting out?> > >> > > Andrew>
>>
>>   
>>> sv Carmen> > > On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 12:44 PM, Robert Skinner> > >
>>>     
>> <Robert at squirrelhaven.com>wrote:> > >> > >> Ben,> > >>> > >> Perhaps it
>> is
>> best to allow Ed the use of his native tongue.> > >> That makes it easier
> to
>> filter, and for those who choose to> > >> scan his rants, it helps them
>> assess the credibility of the> > >> message.> > >>> > >> The quality,
>> inventiveness, and quantity of name-calling is> > >> an amusing study for
>> those who have already figured out what> > >> is going on. For the rest,
>> spinning bull crap is no> > >> substitute for real knowledge, and there
>> is
>> so little of> > >> that available that the contest has degenerated into
>> a>
>>
>>   
>>>> beauty contest on both sides.> > >>> > >> Nobody is about changing
>>>> minds
>>>>       
>> here. It is all wishful> > >> thinking, roaring, knuckle dragging, and
> chest
>> pounding.> > >>> > >> /Robert> > >>> > >> Ben Cittadino wrote:> > >> >
> Dear
>> Ed;> > >> >> > >> > First, you date yourself when you use the term
>> "fellow
>> traveler".> > >> Nobody> > >> > has used that expression since 1953 or
>> so.
>> It was one of Joseph> > >> McCarthy's> > >> > favorite epithets. Back
>> then
>> it was cause to bring a libel suit. Now,> > >> as> > >> > then it's a
> taunt
>> of fearful men who think everyone who disagrees with> > >> them> > >> >
>> is
> a
>> commie. I take exception to your use of the term "fellow> > >> traveler">
>>
>>   
>>>> to> > >> > describe me or anyone else on this list. I want you to cut
>>>> it
>>>>       
>> out. Got> > >> it?> > >> >> > >> > The term "Rockefeller Republican"
>> describes those members of the> > >> Republican> > >> > Party who
> considered
>> themselves socially liberal, fiscally> > >> conservative,> > >> and> > >>
>>
>> strong on defense. It was used in the '60's to differentiate moderate> >
>>>
>>   
>>> Republicans from those supporting Barry Goldwater. Olympia Snow of> > >>
>>>     
>> Maine> > >> is> > >> > still considered an example of that school of
>> thought.> > >> >> > >> > Cheers!> > >> >> > >> > Ben C.> > >> >> > >> >>
>> >
>>   
>>>>>>>>>> Tootle wrote:> > >> >> Ben:> > >> >>> > >> >> Henry Paulson
>>>>>>>>>>                   
>> said the other day he was a "Rockefeller Republican".> > >> >>> > >> >>
>> Since you said that once you were one, before you became a 'fellow> > >>
>>>
>> traveler', explain what they are? were?> > >> >>> > >> >> Ed K> > >> >>
>> Greenville, SC, USA> > >> >> Attachment for Ben about Philidelphia
>> Bridges...> > >> >> http://www.nabble.com/file/p19638028/cameras.jpg
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