[Rhodes22-list] Hold on!

[TN Rhodey]

Herb, I am not supporting anything  Nancy did or said. I agree the left
has a large enough majority to carry the bill but it would be political
suicide for the left (or the right) to go this alone. Right wrong or
indifferent it just will not happen.

You must admit (or maybe not) If the right wanted to be non partisan
they could have ignored what Nancy said and voted yea or nay based on what
they thought was best for the country. I don't believe they changed their
mind because of what Nancy said and yes I saw the interview with House Whip
and Minority leader when they made the claim

I don't think the right ever had their share of the votes to start
with but I could be wrong. Maybe it would be good to know who actually
changed their votes? Do you think we will ever find out? I can see it
now....."yes i though this bill was good for the country and I realize all
parties worked hard to compromise. However i  voted against because Nancy
said it was the Presidents fault. "  I would love to see anyone come forward
and say that.

Your comment about Nancy being the Speaker for the whole House sounds like
you think she should have been able to persuade her party to commit
potential suicide in lock step. This bill started from the top right.....it
seems to me that if you use your same logic Bush, McCain, and the Whip
(forget his name but love his title) should have been able .to get the dozen
or so votes they needed. What does this say about the leadership on the
right?

I do agree about working through the holiday....I mean what could be more
serious than this? I say lock them in the room and no one leaves until they
agree on something!   Deep down both sides want this but neither side has
the leadership.or the guts. A lot of career politicians are covering their
asses. These guys will look like bigger idiots on holiday if we get more of
the same the next few days.

Wally



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On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 5:56 PM, Herb Parsons <hparsons at parsonsys.com>wrote:

> Wait a minute Wally. Uhuh, that's not spite. She is supposed to be
> SPEAKER of the HOUSE. Not mouthpiece for the Democratic party.
>
> She torpedoed a bi-partisan effort, my trying to turn it into a election
> issue. She goofed.
>
> And what about the 40% of her fellow Dems that didn't get on board?
>
> Let's face it, if this REALLY was a "Democratic" effort, they didn't
> need the Republicans. They own both sides of Congress.
>
> TN Rhodey wrote:
> > So they voted no to spite Nancy. Brilliant!  Truth be told I think this
> > thing needed more work and time. Wally
>  >
> > On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 5:11 PM, Brad Haslett <flybrad at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >> Herb,
> >>
> >> I witnessed Speaker Nancy's speech live yesterday and while cringing
> >> at the time, I thought the opponents would take a bullet for the
> >> country.  I would have.  Perhaps we both overestimated our countrymen.
> >>  Nancy is a cancer on our democratic process.  Hopefully, rational
> >> minds will prevail. She truly IS a demagogue and an idiot. My hope is
> >> that the process doesn't melt down over personalities.  It is truly
> >> regretful that the country is being held hostage by one Congressman
> >> from the weirdest district in these United States.
> >>
> >> Brad
> >>
> >> On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 3:01 PM, Herb Parsons <hparsons at parsonsys.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> How not to get bi-partisan support:
> >>>
> >>> Give a speech that says , in part:
> >>>
> >>> =====
> >>> ...
> >>> It is a number that is staggering, but tells us *only the costs of the
> >>> Bush Administration's failed economic policies*-policies built on
> >>> budgetary recklessness, on an anything goes mentality, with no
> >>> regulation, no supervision, and no discipline in the system.
> >>> ...
> >>> *Democrats believe in the free market,* which can and does create jobs,
> >>> wealth, and capital, but left to its own devices it has created chaos.
> >>> ...
> >>> *Democrats insisted that legislation responding to this crisis* must
> >>> protect the American people and Main Street from the meltdown on Wall
> >>> Street.
> >>> ...
> >>> *These were the Democratic demands to safeguard the American taxpayer*,
> >>> to help the economy recover, and to impose tough accountability as a
> >>> central component of this recovery effort.
> >>> ...
> >>> Today, we will act to avert this crisis, *but informed by our
> experience
> >>> of the past eight years with the failed economic leadership *that has
> >>> left us left capable of meeting the challenges of the future.
> >>> ...
> >>> =====
> >>>
> >>> Note to Madame Speaker, if you want to blame the other side, and try to
> >>> score political points while laying all the blame at the feet of "the
> >>> other folks', make sure you've got ALL of your folks on board.
> >>>
> >>> If you piss off (and on) the other side, 60% of your side probably
> won't
> >>> be enough.
> >>>
> >>> Now, go back, and try again.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Lowe, Rob wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>
> http://money.cnn.com/2008/09/29/news/economy/bailout/index.htm?cnn=yes
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
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