[Rhodes22-list] Hold on!
Herb Parsons
hparsons at parsonsys.com
Mon Sep 29 19:50:39 EDT 2008
You're talking extremes on Pelosi's speech.
No, I DON'T think she should have "been able to persuade her party to
commit potential suicide in lock step."
What she SHOULD have been able to do, as Speaker of the House, is bring it to a vote without the partisan claptrap that she inserted. THAT'S what I meant when I spoke of her being the SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE.
I didn't hear President Bush or the House whip making speeches about how the Democrats got us into this mess before the vote was taken. Did I miss something there?
My complaint has nothing (directly) to do with Nancy's not getting the other 40% of her group on board, however, it DOES have something to do with her claiming it's all the other guys' fault, and she and hers are here to fix it, then not delivering it.
What holiday am I having to work though? (Which will be taxed, and given to this bunch of bozo's so they can take a few days off...)
TN Rhodey wrote:
> Herb, I am not supporting anything Nancy did or said. I agree the left
> has a large enough majority to carry the bill but it would be political
> suicide for the left (or the right) to go this alone. Right wrong or
> indifferent it just will not happen.
>
> You must admit (or maybe not) If the right wanted to be non partisan
> they could have ignored what Nancy said and voted yea or nay based on what
> they thought was best for the country. I don't believe they changed their
> mind because of what Nancy said and yes I saw the interview with House Whip
> and Minority leader when they made the claim
>
> I don't think the right ever had their share of the votes to start
> with but I could be wrong. Maybe it would be good to know who actually
> changed their votes? Do you think we will ever find out? I can see it
> now....."yes i though this bill was good for the country and I realize all
> parties worked hard to compromise. However i voted against because Nancy
> said it was the Presidents fault. " I would love to see anyone come forward
> and say that.
>
> Your comment about Nancy being the Speaker for the whole House sounds like
> you think she should have been able to persuade her party to commit
> potential suicide in lock step. This bill started from the top right.....it
> seems to me that if you use your same logic Bush, McCain, and the Whip
> (forget his name but love his title) should have been able .to get the dozen
> or so votes they needed. What does this say about the leadership on the
> right?
>
> I do agree about working through the holiday....I mean what could be more
> serious than this? I say lock them in the room and no one leaves until they
> agree on something! Deep down both sides want this but neither side has
> the leadership.or the guts. A lot of career politicians are covering their
> asses. These guys will look like bigger idiots on holiday if we get more of
> the same the next few days.
>
> Wally
>
>
>
> .
>
>
>
> On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 5:56 PM, Herb Parsons <hparsons at parsonsys.com>wrote:
>
>
>> Wait a minute Wally. Uhuh, that's not spite. She is supposed to be
>> SPEAKER of the HOUSE. Not mouthpiece for the Democratic party.
>>
>> She torpedoed a bi-partisan effort, my trying to turn it into a election
>> issue. She goofed.
>>
>> And what about the 40% of her fellow Dems that didn't get on board?
>>
>> Let's face it, if this REALLY was a "Democratic" effort, they didn't
>> need the Republicans. They own both sides of Congress.
>>
>> TN Rhodey wrote:
>>
>>> So they voted no to spite Nancy. Brilliant! Truth be told I think this
>>> thing needed more work and time. Wally
>>>
>> >
>>
>>> On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 5:11 PM, Brad Haslett <flybrad at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Herb,
>>>>
>>>> I witnessed Speaker Nancy's speech live yesterday and while cringing
>>>> at the time, I thought the opponents would take a bullet for the
>>>> country. I would have. Perhaps we both overestimated our countrymen.
>>>> Nancy is a cancer on our democratic process. Hopefully, rational
>>>> minds will prevail. She truly IS a demagogue and an idiot. My hope is
>>>> that the process doesn't melt down over personalities. It is truly
>>>> regretful that the country is being held hostage by one Congressman
>>>> from the weirdest district in these United States.
>>>>
>>>> Brad
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 3:01 PM, Herb Parsons <hparsons at parsonsys.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> How not to get bi-partisan support:
>>>>>
>>>>> Give a speech that says , in part:
>>>>>
>>>>> =====
>>>>> ...
>>>>> It is a number that is staggering, but tells us *only the costs of the
>>>>> Bush Administration's failed economic policies*-policies built on
>>>>> budgetary recklessness, on an anything goes mentality, with no
>>>>> regulation, no supervision, and no discipline in the system.
>>>>> ...
>>>>> *Democrats believe in the free market,* which can and does create jobs,
>>>>> wealth, and capital, but left to its own devices it has created chaos.
>>>>> ...
>>>>> *Democrats insisted that legislation responding to this crisis* must
>>>>> protect the American people and Main Street from the meltdown on Wall
>>>>> Street.
>>>>> ...
>>>>> *These were the Democratic demands to safeguard the American taxpayer*,
>>>>> to help the economy recover, and to impose tough accountability as a
>>>>> central component of this recovery effort.
>>>>> ...
>>>>> Today, we will act to avert this crisis, *but informed by our
>>>>>
>> experience
>>
>>>>> of the past eight years with the failed economic leadership *that has
>>>>> left us left capable of meeting the challenges of the future.
>>>>> ...
>>>>> =====
>>>>>
>>>>> Note to Madame Speaker, if you want to blame the other side, and try to
>>>>> score political points while laying all the blame at the feet of "the
>>>>> other folks', make sure you've got ALL of your folks on board.
>>>>>
>>>>> If you piss off (and on) the other side, 60% of your side probably
>>>>>
>> won't
>>
>>>>> be enough.
>>>>>
>>>>> Now, go back, and try again.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Lowe, Rob wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>> http://money.cnn.com/2008/09/29/news/economy/bailout/index.htm?cnn=yes
>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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