[Rhodes22-list] Now Comes General Boats And

Fri Aug 7 08:16:00 EDT 2009

Stan:

It looks like you are getting some good ideas, fee as a percent of the cost
of a boat sale, support fee etc.  All of these ideas seem to have merit and
I look forward to your thoughts on what will work best for GB.  All of these
ideas suggest an investment in GB by owners of R22's that I think is a win
win for all of us.  I subscribe to various associations and software support
programs in order to maintaine the quality of my  architectural services.  I
subscribe to these because they bring value just as I beleive your program
does.  When deciding what architectural support products to subscribe to and
or purchase I look at the quality and health of  the company includiing
their long term business plan to make sure they are keeping up with the
latest technology and will be in business when I need their help in the
future.  GB has meet all the invovative and quality design criteria when I
was looking for a new boat to purchase however I was not clear on what the
GB long term business plan is.   It would be helpful for you to share the
long term GB plan along with any other ideas on how the R22 community can
help support that plan.

Bob Keller wrote:
> 
> 
> Regarding the LoRo Program:
> 
> I think the concept is good and I totally agree with it.  The idea of
> having "certified" boats that get factory support is a good idea. 
> Non-certified boats could be charged a fee to be certified, which would be
> a (5?) % of their purchase price.  If they do not want factory support,
> they could elect not to pay.  
> 
>  
> 
> If I did not have factory support I would not have a sailable boat.  If I
> was ever going to sell Yankee Clipper (no plans to do so) I would have
> Stan and GB sell it for me.
> 
> Bob K
> 
>  
> 
> 
>  
>> From: stan at rhodes22.com
>> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
>> Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 16:02:54 -0400
>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Now Comes General Boats And
>> 
>> relax guys
>> 
>> This was not then, and is not yet, a formalized program - it is in the 
>> thinking and testing stage where results are beginning to lead to a
>> solution 
>> based on a numbered LoRo certificate that a participating seller will
>> pass 
>> along with their boat. Since most buyers somehow come in contact with us 
>> before buying a private sale used boat, they will be made aware of the 
>> program and ask (or not ask) the seller for this certificate when they
>> buy 
>> that boat. The seller that can include the certificate along with the 
>> title papers, will have a great selling advantage. The seller who opts to 
>> not go with the program would not be able to give the buyer the
>> certificate 
>> and the buyer hopefully will pass on buying that boat. If the buyer does 
>> decides to buy a boat where the seller can not include the numbered 
>> certificate, the buyer will be doing so knowing that they have to move to 
>> the end of the line if they ever have to have any future dealings with
>> GB.
>> 
>> What we are open to now, from our thoughtful Rhodies is their take on
>> this 
>> gelling.
>> 
>> ss
>> 
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "David Culp" <dculp at hsbtx.com>
>> To: <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 3:16 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Now Comes General Boats And
>> 
>> 
>> > Stan:
>> >
>> > Thank you for your long post in explanation of Loyalty/Royalty which I
>> am
>> > going to abbreviate with the term "LoRo for future reference. I concur 
>> > with
>> > Cowie in that your post should be added as a section to the GBI website
>> > perhaps after a little editing. The reason for this is that as a
>> > prospective owner and buyer, I did not become aware of it until after
>> > purchasing the boat and joining the list. As a new buyer, I was a
>> little
>> > taken aback by facing yet another fee which was nearly as much as the 
>> > sales
>> > tax that I paid the State of Texas for the boat. And as you will
>> recall, 
>> > I
>> > was rather defensive about it at the time. By putting this information
>> > upfront on the website, it can become a part of the negotiation between
>> > buyer and seller on a used boat. I doubt seriously that the seller of
>> my
>> > boat paid any Lo/Ro fees. I have paid only $ 200.00 toward the buyer
>> LoRo
>> > because it caught me by surprise and frankly, these boats ain't
>> cheap... I
>> > spent my budget and then some.
>> >
>> > Had I known that LoRo was going to be an issue... It would have been 
>> > brought
>> > up during the negotiation for the boat. Of course, a buyer can never 
>> > insure
>> > that a seller will pay and vise versa but at least I would have had
>> some
>> > monies negotiated to cover my end. The buyer will always be the one
>> very
>> > interested in the continued operation of GBI and likely to pay for a
>> > certificate. Most sellers will take the money and run.
>> >
>> > I look forward to details of the LoRo program when you notify us of
>> it...
>> > Especially how you intend to deal with present owners who have no
>> vestment
>> > or only a partial vestment like myself. The only caveat I see and this
>> > sounds kind of ridiculous; is that I seem to recall some FTC rules
>> > preventing manufacturers from withholding customer support for 
>> > manufactured
>> > goods still in production and then for a certain time period afterwards
>> if
>> > production ceases and the company continues in operation. So if lack of
>> a
>> > LoRo certificate means a reduced customer support program then you may 
>> > want
>> > to check with counsel to make sure of the legality. I don't want you to 
>> > go
>> > out of business and neither do I want you to be sued.
>> >
>> > Perhaps a "certified" boat owner gets a break on the price of parts
>> and/or
>> > goes to the top of the email/telephone queue. I'm sure you will think
>> of
>> > something.
>> >
>> > David
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 09:15:01 -0700 (PDT)
>> > From: cowie <ccowie at cowieassociates.com>
>> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Now comes General Boats
>> > To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
>> > Message-ID: <24831681.post at talk.nabble.com>
>> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>> >
>> >
>> > Stan:
>> >
>> > You have done a great job establishing and maintaining the general
>> boats
>> > company. The recycle program has been a significant part of your
>> success.
>> > As a buisness owner I can appreciate the challanges and opportuniites 
>> > trying
>> > to provide a product to be proud of and stay afloat at the same time. I 
>> > am
>> > in favor of a Loyalty/Royalty program along with any other specific
>> > suggestions from GB. It would be helpful to have a clear statement on
>> the
>> > GB business plan and how we as a community of owners can support GB to
>> > contribute to and benefit from the win/win/win conditions you aim to
>> > support. Maybe this is already included on the GB web site however
>> clear
>> > communication of your message to current and future community members 
>> > would
>> > be helpful.
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