[Rhodes22-list] Herb's Defense
michael meltzer
mjm at michaelmeltzer.com
Sun Jan 11 10:58:53 EST 2009
In defense of both of both herb and elle, "could we burry the hacket and not
in each other head", and if you both would permit, let this be the last
email on the subject, you BOTH are try getting in unending string of "just
to close the subject" :-) Just trying to "break the chain"
-mjm
-----Original Message-----
From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
[mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of elle
Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2009 10:44 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Herb's Defense
Oh, sh*t, Herb.
Whatever.
elle
We can't change the angle of the wind....but we can adjust our sails.
1992 Rhodes 22 Recyc '06 "WaterMusic" (Lady in Red)
--- On Sat, 1/10/09, Herb Parsons <hparsons at parsonsys.com> wrote:
> From: Herb Parsons <hparsons at parsonsys.com>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Herb's Defense
> To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Date: Saturday, January 10, 2009, 3:35 PM
> Elle
>
> Again, you misunderstand me.
>
> I don't care as to whether "everyone keeps pickin
> on me", or even if
> they are. However, when I DO have someone address me
> directly (which you
> have done this time), I will respond. You don't like
> it? Simple solution
> - don't address me directly.
>
> As to the "pickin' on folks", I don't
> feel particularly targeted in this
> case, at least not individually. The post that got your
> motor revvin
> this time was my response to someone's comment about
> Brad, and my
> response was a bit mild at that.
>
> Besides, I thought you were going to do all this
> back-channel?
>
> As far as me "having the last word", are you
> suggesting it should be my
> position that you spout nonsense like this not only ABOUT
> me, but TO me
> (you did address it to me), and I should simply remain
> mute.
>
> Sorry would-be schoolyard monitor, you're not really.
> Take the whistle
> off, and quit being the weird kid.
>
>
> elle wrote:
> > Herb,
> >
> > You are probably a very nice person in the real world
> with friends who would walk the mile for you.
> >
> > However, the endearing qualities which you may have do
> not come through too well on the web.
> >
> > You always have an answer as to why 'everyone
> keeps pickin' on you' and why you are so
> misunderstood, 'and 'that's not what I
> said.'
> >
> > Methinks if you have to keep explaining and defending
> what you've said you should take a long look at what you
> say & how the real world might interpret it.
> >
> > Of course, you will want to have the last word.
> >
> > elle
> >
> > You WILL NOT spoil my good mood!
> >
> >
> >
> > We can't change the angle of the wind....but we
> can adjust our sails.
> >
> > 1992 Rhodes 22 Recyc '06 "WaterMusic"
> (Lady in Red)
> >
> > --- On Sat, 1/10/09, Herb Parsons
> <hparsons at parsonsys.com> wrote:
> >
> > From: Herb Parsons <hparsons at parsonsys.com>
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Is There A Glitch With
> the List
> > To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List"
> <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > Date: Saturday, January 10, 2009, 2:59 PM
> >
> > Elle,
> >
> > The "weird kid" was in keeping with your
> schoolyard monitor metaphor.
> >
> > You came up with the metaphor, not I. I believe in
> your schoolyard
> > metaphor, I was referred to as the "schoolyard
> bully". So, I'll
> > ask you
> > the same question.
> >
> > Can you not make your point without name-calling and
> disparaging remarks??
> >
> > Do so, and I will respond in kind.
> >
> > If you'll scroll back through, I think you'll
> see where the disparaging
> >
> > remarks in this little thread started...
> >
> > elle wrote:
> >
> >>> and I'll ignore the weird kid
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >> Can you not make your point without name-calling
> and disparaging remarks??
> >>
> >> elle
> >>
> >> We can't change the angle of the wind....but
> we can adjust our sails.
> >>
> >> 1992 Rhodes 22 Recyc '06
> "WaterMusic" (Lady in Red)
> >>
> >> --- On Sat, 1/10/09, Herb Parsons
> <hparsons at parsonsys.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> From: Herb Parsons <hparsons at parsonsys.com>
> >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Is There A Glitch
> With the List
> >> To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List"
> >>
> > <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> >
> >> Date: Saturday, January 10, 2009, 1:27 PM
> >>
> >> I beg to differ. It was NOT dead. He had just
> posted it. I didn't
> >> respond to it days later, I responded to him as it
> came up.
> >>
> >> The issue of civility is far from
> "dead", at least in the minds
> >>
> > of
> >
> >> some
> >> of us. I say it is NOT civil to say "good
> riddance" to Brad
> >>
> > being
> >
> >> gone.
> >> He had friends on here. I'm sure even some of
> the folks that don't
> >>
> > like
> >
> >> him feel the same way.
> >>
> >> As far as "back channel" discussions,
> you do not get to dictate
> >>
> > to me
> >
> >> where I post a message. I did not start a
> conversation with you, I
> >> responded to a post. You directed a response to
> me, not "back
> >> channel",
> >> but here on the list, so that's where I
> responded. Had you sent it
> >>
> > back
> >
> >> channel, that's where I responded. In the
> schoolyard the teacher gets
> >>
> > to
> >
> >> blow the whistle and tell the kid "I'll
> see you after
> >>
> > class";
> >
> >> however,
> >> we're not in a schoolyard, and I'll ignore
> the weird kid who
> >>
> > thinks
> >
> >> she's in charge, and just keep playing.
> >>
> >>
> >> elle wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>> Herb,
> >>>
> >>> You responded to something that was dead &
> needed no response.
> >>>
> >>> after this I will take my own advice & go
> back channel...so if you
> >>>
> >>>
> >> want to discuss, use watermusic38 at yahoo.com.
> >>
> >>
> >>>
> >>> Until then, go get a skin.Yours isn't even
> thin.
> >>>
> >>> But I love 'ya anyhow.
> >>>
> >>> elle
> >>>
> >>> We can't change the angle of the
> wind....but we can adjust our
> >>>
> > sails.
> >
> >>> 1992 Rhodes 22 Recyc '06
> "WaterMusic" (Lady in Red)
> >>>
> >>> --- On Sat, 1/10/09, Herb Parsons
> <hparsons at parsonsys.com>
> >>>
> > wrote:
> >
> >>> From: Herb Parsons
> <hparsons at parsonsys.com>
> >>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Is There A Glitch
> With the List
> >>> To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List"
> >>>
> >>>
> >> <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> >>
> >>
> >>> Date: Saturday, January 10, 2009, 12:34 PM
> >>>
> >>> Da**it, Elle
> >>>
> >>> If you can't say something nice, don't
> say it at all.
> >>>
> >>> Just what did YOUR retort contribute??? Why do
> YOU have to have the
> >>>
> > last
> >
> >>> word?
> >>>
> >>> Listen lady, my "retort" had the
> exact same purpose to HIM
> >>>
> > that
> >
> >>>
> >>>
> >> YOURS
> >>
> >>
> >>> did to ME.
> >>>
> >>> So, get over it. I know you don't mind the
> shit when it comes from
> >>>
> > the
> >
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >>> left to the right, but go "blow your
> whistle" at your pet
> >>>
> >>>
> >> students
> >>
> >>
> >>> from
> >>> time to time, and I'll be impressed with
> the playground monitor
> >>>
> >>>
> >> metaphor.
> >>
> >>
> >>> Personally, I'm disappointed everytime
> someone leaves. I don't
> >>>
> > say
> >
> >>> "good
> >>> riddance" to Ben being gone, or Rummy.
> Contributors leaving the
> >>>
> > list
> >
> >>>
> >>>
> >> is
> >>
> >>
> >>> a bad thing. I suppose though, that it's
> acceptable to run off the
> >>>
> >>>
> >> ones
> >>
> >>
> >>> that have a right-leaning view...
> >>>
> >>> elle wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> Da**it, Herb!
> >>>>
> >>>> If you can't say something nice ,
> don't say it at all.
> >>>>
> >>>> Just what did this retort contribute? Why
> do you have to have the
> >>>>
> > last
> >
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>> word??
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>> **Those are rhetorical questions. Do not
> require nor expect a
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >> response.**
> >>
> >>
> >>>>
> >>>> Get over it, get with it, or get off it.
> >>>>
> >>>> elle
> >>>>
> >>>> (I'm in TOO DA** good a mood to be
> messed with....)
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> We can't change the angle of the
> wind....but we can adjust our
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >> sails.
> >>
> >>
> >>>> 1992 Rhodes 22 Recyc '06
> "WaterMusic" (Lady in Red)
> >>>>
> >>>> --- On Fri, 1/9/09, Herb Parsons
> <hparsons at parsonsys.com>
> >>>>
> > wrote:
> >
> >>>> From: Herb Parsons
> <hparsons at parsonsys.com>
> >>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Is There A
> Glitch With the List
> >>>> To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List"
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>> <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> Date: Friday, January 9, 2009, 10:18 PM
> >>>>
> >>>> "Good riddance" - Yep, civility
> in all of its one-sided
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >> glory.
> >>
> >>
> >>>> Lowe, Rob wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> I find it ironic, that when asked to
> be civil, several people
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>> didn't
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>> think they could do so and removed
> themselves from the list.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >> Works
> >>
> >>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>> for
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>> me! Got to wonder about people who
> didn't think they
> >>>>>
> > could
> >
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>> converse
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>> in
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> a civil manner. Good riddance. - rob
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>> From:
> rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
> >>>>>
> [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of
> Brad
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >> Haslett
> >>
> >>
> >>>>> Sent: Friday, January 09, 2009 8:06 AM
> >>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
> >>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Is There
> A Glitch With the List
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Wally,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> In the interest of civil conversation,
> I just removed myself
> >>>>>
> > from
> >
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >> the
> >>
> >>
> >>>>> R-22 list on my Yahoo account, and
> will do the same with my
> >>>>>
> > Gmail
> >
> >>>>> account in just a few moments.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Over the years, I've made a number
> of good friends in the
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>> strangest
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>> places from this list, and we will
> stay in touch.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Don't be a stranger!
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Brad
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 6:53 AM, TN
> Rhodey
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >> <tnrhodey at gmail.com>
> >>
> >>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Brad, Perhaps the time of year may
> have something to do
> >>>>>>
> > with
> >
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>> reduced
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>> posts.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Just like every other year/ As you
> well know there have
> >>>>>>
> > been
> >
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>> plenty of
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>> "sound checks" in the
> past. Nothing new
> >>>>>>
> > here.....the
> >
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>> list
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>> will be
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>> fine.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> There has been a request for civil
> conversation. Big deal.
> >>>>>>
> > No
> >
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >> need
> >>
> >>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>> to
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>> beat a
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> dead horse. Make your point and
> move on.
> >>>>>> Wally
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On Thu, Jan 8, 2009 at 2:59 AM,
> Todd Tavares
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>> <sprocket80 at mail.com>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>> Well Brad,
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> At least you did not call it
> "Das List" lol
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Todd T
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>>>>> From: "Brad
> Haslett"
> >>>>>>> To: "The Rhodes 22 Email
> List"
> >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list]
> Is There A Glitch With
> >>>>>>>
> > the
> >
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >> List
> >>
> >>
> >>>>>>> Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2009
> 13:25:45 -0600
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Yeah,
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> There is a glitch with the
> list! It's called the
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>> "Fairness
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>> Doctrine".
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>> "Da List" was
> always on the cutting edge of
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >> news
> >>
> >>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>> and
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>> politics until
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>>> someone got their feelings
> hurt because someone else
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >> insulted
> >>
> >>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>> the
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>>> Chocolate Baby Jesus from
> Chicago. Be careful what
> >>>>>>>
> > you
> >
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >> wish
> >>
> >>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>> for!
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>>> Chocolate Baby Jesus is safe.
> The Rhodes 22 list is
> >>>>>>>
> > dead.
> >
> >>>>>>> Good work Rummy! Thanks for
> inviting me back the last
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >> time
> >>
> >>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>> the
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>> list
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>>> was dead.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Brad
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On Wed, Jan 7, 2009 at 1:10
> PM, Caesar Paul wrote:
> >>>>>>> > Hi Michael,
> >>>>>>> > I have not recieved any
> mail for a few days now.
> >>>>>>>
> > Is
> >
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >> the
> >>
> >>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>> problem
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>>> > with me or the List?
> >>>>>>> >
> >>>>>>> > Thanks for all that you
> do.
> >>>>>>> >
> >>>>>>> > Caesar
> >>>>>>> >
> >>>>>>>
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