[Rhodes22-list] general boat's complaint /in all fairness

Wed Jul 29 11:04:28 EDT 2009

Lou,

My guess is retirement in 10-15 years, although I marvel at his, Rose's, and Elton's energy in this business arena.  The composite support effort I have seen by Rhoadies to help other fleet skippers is incredible, and will become even more vital in the years ahead.  As parts and accessories may become less available, I, for one, have been keeping my eye out for alternatives.  As I discovered a year ago, the spreader brackets are available from Dwyer  (I'd keep a close eye on your's if they become distorted with mast stepping using the old GB method).   The alternative transom crutch I use and posted can be fabricated by a SS shop I have done work with.

I have been told that replacement parts is one of the greatest concerns of fleet skippers if we cannot obtain from GB, a problem I encountered as long as two years ago.  I have usually been able to find a substitute as necessary.  Maybe we can delay Stan's retirement until 20 years!

Art

-----Original Message-----
>From: Lou Rosenberg <lsr3 at nyu.edu>
>Sent: Jul 29, 2009 10:11 AM
>To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] general boat's complaint /in all fairness
>
>Rhodes owners, wanna be owners, and lurkers like me,
>
>I bought my R22 from a discouraged owner who had not taken care of  
>the boat and was basically dumping it in the back of
>a Pt Jefferson yard back in '04. I had been on the list for about a  
>year before this and Stan advised me NOT to buy that boat.
>I went against his advice and through the years , Stan and Elton have  
>helped me greatly.  I ended up only buying about $1500, worth of rigging
>and supplies on a visit to Edenton NC in 2005, but subsequently Elton  
>brought up a much needed used  bow pulpit and new traveler assembly  
>to my yard a few yrs later.
>
>In all fairness I have not bought that much from GB over the years  
>but trust their judgement and of course Stan was right, I should've  
>waited and I may've found
>a better deal.  Restoring any boat is NOT that much fun but there are  
>rewards of doing it yourself, but sailing is the eventual goal and  
>ive sacrificed many sailing days to get where I am now.
>
>I owe so much to all the people on this list ALL of you helping me  
>out with questions for this novice sailor who has few skills in terms  
>of carpentry, fibreglassing
>and the like.  Next Thurs I hope to launch Miracles for the rest of  
>the year, keeping her in the calm, semi-polluted waters of Mill Basin  
>all winter long.
>
>wish me luck , I'll need it.
>
>Stan, maybe its time to bring in new blood and find a way to accept  
>some sort of retirement from all this grind?
>
>all the best
>and thanks for all your help
>
>Lou Rosenberg
>s/v Miracles
>On Jul 29, 2009, at 9:43 AM, stan wrote:
>
>> I guess this is a dear John letter
>>
>> John Shulick,
>>
>> That does not sound like the Stan I know.   I know I do not ignore  
>> the good
>> guys or the bad guys (well maybe with one exception or two) and I  
>> do know I
>> do not get all my e-mails and that some of my e-mail does not get  
>> through as
>> was currently the case with everyone using comcast.net.
>>
>> While I have a lot of Johns and do not recall which one you are,  
>> please do
>> not feel slighted because
>> at my age I have trouble remembering if there are any Stands on the  
>> list.
>>
>> I do note that you say you have a 71 Rhodes (almost even before my  
>> time) and
>> I do know that when I get an e-mail from someone indicating wanting  
>> to put a
>> lot of money into one of the first Rhodes ever built (and not built  
>> by us) I
>> try very had to discourage them from pouring money into it with the  
>> advice
>> to just sail it as is and when ready, get a more recent model since  
>> the
>> differences are so drastic.
>>
>> I also note that you say we did sell you parts implying what you  
>> got was not
>> satisfactory but note that you did not say that we always tell  
>> whole boat
>> and parts buyers that everything from us is returnable.   Did you  
>> send back
>> any faulty parts - if not, please do.
>>
>> ss
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "John Shulick" <jsbudda at verizon.net>
>> To: <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2009 1:39 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] general boat's complaint (continued)
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Ben,
>>>
>>> I think the demise of the demise of the US auto industry has many  
>>> complex
>>> factors in it and while they used the pizza principle I'm not shure
>>> whether
>>> it was the decisive factor in their fall. As for the cost and what  
>>> the
>>> price
>>> point would be for a "sport model".  GB would have to make that
>>> determination. Stan does not seem to notice or respond to any posts I
>>> place
>>> on this Forum perhaps because I bought my boat on Ebay and not  
>>> through
>>> him.
>>> After buying my boat I approached him for a rudder and inquired  
>>> about some
>>> various small parts. He sold me a used rudder assembly with a  
>>> tiller for
>>> $750.00 The tiller had a crack at the end bolted to the rudder (but
>>> usable)
>>> and I had to seal and paint the blade myself. The request for  
>>> small parts
>>> was ignored. Since I can take a hint I now go to other sources for  
>>> my mast
>>> parts, trailer parts (I am bolting on a new Dexter axle this week  
>>> as part
>>> of
>>> my trailer overhaul this is an exact replacement part not an  
>>> equivilent) ,
>>> and sails. Stan has lost over $2,000 in potential sales to me and  
>>> by the
>>> time my 71 restoration is finished he will probably loose $2,000  
>>> more. I
>>> still am in the market for a 150 Genoa and a furler plus a  
>>> complete set of
>>> standing rigging and hardware. Like yourself I'm looking for parts  
>>> and
>>> accessories at a fair and resonable price and will find or make  
>>> them as
>>> needed.
>>>
>>> John S
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> John;
>>> You're referring to the old US car manufacturers technique known  
>>> as "the
>>> pizza principle". Sell the basic model for a decent price but add  
>>> on an
>>> outrageous markup for each option. The Japanese kicked our butts  
>>> when they
>>> put all the good stuff in every car and the only choice was color.
>>>
>>> I don't think the stripped down racing Rhodes would be that much less
>>> expensive to build, or that much cheaper to sell, but then I'm not
>>> building
>>> or selling boats, or cars.
>>>
>>> I just want to know where I can get parts and/or accessories without
>>> losing
>>> a friend, if I can help it, and if it's fair and reasonable.
>>>
>>> BenCittadino
>>>
>>>
>>>
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