[Rhodes22-list] yamaha 9.9 trouble

Fri Jun 12 14:28:48 EDT 2009

Rob and others,

If I'm going to overlook something, it's opening and closing that vent. 
Does anyone leave their vent open all the time?  It's covered enough by the
cockpit seat to keep rain out and I rarely have so much gas in the tank that
it would spill on a heel.  The problem would likely be moisture in the air
and I don't know how much water would find its way into the tank.  Doesn't
water in fuel evaporate?  Wouldn't the gas evaporate even faster?  If I
don't close my vent would my gas disappear?

Lee
1986 Rhodes22  At Ease
Kent Island, MD

Rob Lowe wrote:
> 
> Ben,
> I was going to suggest the vent on the tank.  It's easy to overlook and
> it's happened to others before. - rob
> 
> 
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> [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of BenCittadino
> Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 10:20 AM
> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] yamaha 9.9 trouble
> 
> 
> Thanks Folks;
> 
> I actually think the engine may be flopping around too much back there.
> We'll see. Art came up with an idea that I think may help with the
> stalling
> out issue. The gas cap/vent may be plugged/too tight causing a vacuum to
> build up in the tank. I like that explanation as it fits the facts
> (smooth
> operation, stall, and easy restart), and is CHEAP to fix. 
> 
> Frone (is that right, or a typo?) I like your boat name. Is that "Sunday
> Morning" as in "Easy like a...", or as in Charles Osgood (my wife works
> for
> CBS), or something else?
> 
> Ben
> 
> 
> 
> Ron Singerman-2 wrote:
>> 
>> Ben,
>> 
>> After you get the cover repaired  ( I second Dave's repair method) you
>> might 
>> want to make sure that the tension adjustment for the movement of the
>> motor 
>> is not to tight. It sounds like this might have been the culprit.  I
> also 
>> agree that the only time I use my tiller to motor hook-up is when I am
> 
>> backing out of my slip and exiting the marina and when returning, in
> the 
>> marina.
>> 
>> Fair winds,
>> 
>>>>ron<<
>> S/V Serenity
>> 
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "David Bradley" <dwbrad at gmail.com>
>> To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2009 10:25 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] yamaha 9.9 trouble
>> 
>> 
>> Ben, unless it's a major crack, I would think it's easier to repair
>> the cover (assuming yours is fiberglass like mine) than to buy a new
>> cover and mount the bracket for the steering mechanism.  I would epoxy
>> it from inside, taping the outside to be sure the epoxy doesn't leak
>> through.  If it's a major crack you could reinforce it with fiberglass
>> cloth inside.  All available at West Marine or another marine supply
>> place, along with free advice on which materials to buy.  Others on
>> the list can be more prescriptive, I'm sure.
>> 
>> While you're messing with the steering attahment, be sure all the nuts
>> and bolts are secure.  My mechanishm fell apart one day at a crucial
>> moment just from a nut working its way loose.  It wasn't pretty.
>> 
>> Good luck,
>> 
>> Dave
>> 
>> On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 5:27 PM, BenCittadino<bencittadino at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Thanks John and Dave for the really quick and eminently sensible
> replies.
>>>
>>> Dave, I'm afraid the answer to your question is that the cover is
> cracked
>>> and I should probably replace (can I?) or repair (dare I?) it. I'm 
>>> concerned
>>> about whether I can relocate the little attachment "dohicky" on top
> of a 
>>> new
>>> cover for the bar connecting the tiller to the engine, but also don't
>>> know
>>> if a repair of the cover is even possible. I like your idea of only
> using
>>> the connection for really tight quarters. If I ever get it fixed
> that's 
>>> what
>>> I'll do.
>>>
>>> Ben
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> David Bradley wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Ben, it sounds like a similar problem I had my first year with my
>>>> Yamaha 9.9. I finally had to bite the bullet and have a good
> mechanic
>>>> clean the jets. You might luck out by using fresh gas (one mechanic
>>>> told me this year that with the new ethanol mix we should use fresh
>>>> gas every week) and just running the motor until the clean gas
>>>> dissolves the crud.
>>>>
>>>> I only use the tiller-motor linkage in the marina for tight turns
> and
>>>> damage avoidance. The boat steers much easier with the motor locked
> -
>>>> much less strain on everything.
>>>>
>>>> Are you saying your engine case has actually cracked, or you're
>>>> worried it might?
>>>>
>>>> Dave
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 4:36 PM,
> BenCittadino<bencittadino at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> So the S/V Susan Kay (93R-recycled08) is in the water for the next
> 4
>>>>> months
>>>>> after a winter in a cradle. She started right up and ran
> magnificently
>>>>> for
>>>>> about a half an hour as we motored the few miles out the Shrewsbury
> 
>>>>> River
>>>>> (NJ) around to Sandy Hook Bay where she has a slip. However, as we
>>>>> cruised
>>>>> along at medium to low power (fog & rain) the four stroke 9.9
> Yamaha
>>>>> began
>>>>> to die, fought alittle to keep running and quit. Attempt to restart
>>>>> (electrical) immediately succeeded, and she ran beautifully for ten
>>>>> minutes
>>>>> then sputtered and quit again. She restarted on the first push of
> the
>>>>> button, but died once more before we got her safely tied up in her
>>>>> slip.
>>>>> I'm
>>>>> at a loss except to say the gas was from last summer with plenty of
>>>>> Stay-bil. The engine had an oil change and was prepped by the
> marina
>>>>> where I
>>>>> stored her over the winter. They weren't worried about the gas (I 
>>>>> asked).
>>>>> Why would she start like a champ, purr like a kitten, then sputter
> and
>>>>> die
>>>>> only to restart immediately?
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm also becoming concerned about the engine cover cracking some as
> it
>>>>> appears the attachment to the tiller is stressing the cover (I'm
> trying
>>>>> to
>>>>> be gentle). I'm considering locking the engine along the centerline
> and
>>>>> steering with the rudder alone.
>>>>>
>>>>> As a rookie sailor I must say I get a small charge out of the
> bridge
>>>>> tender
>>>>> answering my call on channel 13 by calling me "Captain", but I'm
> told I
>>>>> am
>>>>> easily entertained. Looking forward to a great summer, but
> considering
>>>>> chucking the motor altogether.
>>>>>
>>>>> Any thoughts?
>>>>>
>>>>> BenCittadino
>>>>> Highlands, NJ
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