[Rhodes22-list] advice needed from litigious Rhodies

Wed Nov 4 22:05:54 EST 2009

Rick,

That would be a damn smart thing to evaluate.  I have found the Mac very squirrly (sp) under full power with no ballast 18-20kts.  With ballast reduces the speed, 3-5 kts as I recall, and it becomes much more stable.  Just like Mac does with panel messages, Stan would need to post 'rules of the road' to cover his six.  I'm in the dark on this option just like you are.  Known - there are alot of Macs out there, even before the X and M, and they have a few very strong web pages for spreading the word.

Stan sure has this stirred up.

Art

-----Original Message-----
>From: Rick <sloopblueheron at gmail.com>
>Sent: Nov 4, 2009 9:21 PM
>To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] advice needed from litigious Rhodies
>
>Art,
>
>I was thinking more along the lines of when the boat is used without the
>water ballast.  That is, the current MacGregor design allows the boat to be
>used without ballast as a planing powerboat pushed by up to a 50 hp engine.
>I would think a heavy IMF mast along with furled main and gennny would add
>too much instability while planing.
>
>Rick
>
>On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 3:27 PM, Arthur H. Czerwonky <czerwonky at earthlink.net
>> wrote:
>
>> Rick,
>>
>> Consider that the water adds 1400# to the ballast, other stability
>> questions not considered.  Validating the stability issue would be easy -
>> with mast and sail and ballast in place, pull the mast toward the water and
>> determine at what point the tension on the mast line zeroes out.  If the
>> tension remains, the boat will have a natural positive righting moment.
>>
>> This does not allow for the dumbie who, like others before, operate the
>> boat improperly or who cannot read the directions.
>>
>> Macgregor will sell the new spreader assembly so that the mast can have the
>> stays properly aligned, GB might obtain for free as a professional courtesy
>> fm MacG.
>>
>> Make sense?
>>
>> Art
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> >From: Rick <sloopblueheron at gmail.com>
>> >Sent: Nov 4, 2009 3:06 PM
>> >To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> >Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] advice needed from litigious Rhodies
>> >
>> >Art,
>> >
>> >An IMF mast would probably cause a water ballast MacGregor to turtle.
>> >
>> >Please explain: "Stan no longer has new IMF capability."
>> >
>> >Rick
>> >
>> >On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 2:51 PM, Arthur H. Czerwonky <
>> czerwonky at earthlink.net
>> >> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Rick,
>> >>
>> >> I wonder who could know - a typical Catalina owner will be the best
>> judge.
>> >>  BTW, no secret that we can be helpful in promoting this if we have
>> posted
>> >> pictures and info.  I have toyed seriously with putting the IMF on a
>> >> MacGregor to test for stability.  Anyone who has had the thrill of
>> raising a
>> >> MacGregor mainsail from their awkward deck station would understand the
>> >> value in this.  There are alot of Macgregor owners who would thirst at
>> this
>> >> prospect - talk about a market for the IMF.  I mention this knowing that
>> >> Tootle certified that Stan no longer has new IMF capability.  Hopefully
>> this
>> >> is not true.
>> >>
>> >> Art
>> >>
>> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> >From: Rick <sloopblueheron at gmail.com>
>> >> >Sent: Nov 4, 2009 2:35 PM
>> >> >To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> >> >Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] advice needed from litigious Rhodies
>> >> >
>> >> >Stan,
>> >> >
>> >> >Doesn't sound any different than companies that supe up sports cars.
>>  How
>> >> >much for the suped up Catalina?
>> >> >
>> >> >Rick
>> >> >
>> >> >On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 1:16 PM, stan <stan at rhodes22.com> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> last time things got bad, to broaden our price marking base  we went
>> >> into
>> >> >> recycling Rhodes
>> >> >>
>> >> >> this time, to broaden our base and not keep losing those prospects
>> who
>> >> want
>> >> >> a little bit bigger boat (since no Rhodes took us up on the Rhodes 27
>> >> >> projected) we bought a Catalina 25 and have torn it apart.   we are
>> >> going to
>> >> >> try and make it into a Catalina-Rhodes hybrid:   IMF, combo keel/cb,
>> >> >> electric tilting motor lift, etc.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> it is being sold as a used Catalina 25 that we have recycled and
>> >> upgraded.
>> >> >>    Can Frank butler (he owns Catalina) legally complain?
>> >> >>
>> >> >> ss
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
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