[Rhodes22-list] Advice on re-routing genoa sheets ??

Tue Aug 10 15:39:03 EDT 2010

Chris,
I have never found the Rhodes to be lacking in pointing ability compared to 
 other hulls both larger and smaller. What I have found is un tuned 
rigging,  blown out sails and a host of other problems that have prevented them 
from  pointing well. It really all boiled down to operator error and a lack of 
sailing  knowledge. I have corrected many a Rhodes owners problems, but you 
have to see  the boat in person and sail it before deciding what to fix, 
including the  owners.
As usual my fee for this service is to cover all travel expenses and all  
the rum I can drink. :) The fees automatically are reduced by the number of  
galley wenches provided.

Rummy

In a message dated 8/10/2010 2:32:22 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
ccowie at cowieassociates.com writes:

Lee/Jack:

I typically keep my jib sheets outside the shrouds  for maximum sail size 
however I do move the sheets to the other two positions  in an effort to 
point higher.  Anything other than the outer position  looses a couple of knots 
of speed.  I find the easiest way to change the  sheet position is to furl 
the jib in all the way, then reach over or thru the  pop top and move the 
sheet, then unfurl the jib.  I seem to get about 60  degrees off the wind with 
a full head sail, 120 total.  I can cheat a bit  if its blowing hard and let 
the head sail luff, this also lessens the heal  angle.  The best I have 
managed in the alternate sheet positions, at  lower speed,  is 45 degrees off 
the wind, total 90 degrees.   

I came upon a Catalina 22, sailing the same direction sailing upwind  
toward Herrington Harbor South, as I came out of Herrington Harbor North this  
past Sunday afternoon.  I quickly got the outboard stowed and let out  full 
sail.  Wind was a steady 9kts with gusts to 11kts.  While the  Catalina could 
point about 10 degrees higher than me I outsailed her on  several tacks as 
we made our way to the marker at the end of Long Bar, about a  mile and a 
half up wind.  It must have taken the Catalina another fifteen  minutes to 
reach the same mark.  While I am frustrated with the Rhodes  pointing ability I 
am delighted at how she can get up and go in light  and  moderate wind.

Christopher P. Cowie   

4400 MacArthur Blvd, NW 
Suite 300 
Washington,  DC  20007 
202.342.2711 
202.342.2691 fax 
202.270.1470 mobile  

[ccowie at cowieassociates.com]
cowieassociates.com

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[mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Leland
Sent:  Tuesday, August 10, 2010 9:28 AM
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Subject:  Re: [Rhodes22-list] Advice on re-routing genoa sheets  ??

Jack,

Glad you asked.

"Is it worth it?"   Absolutely.  It's more important than lowering your
centerboard, which  is also pretty important.  120 degree tacks with your
sheets run  outside of the shrouds is pretty good so your sails and skills
must not be  too baggy.

"Is there a quick and easy method?"  I'm lazy and I  rerun my sheets just
about every time I go out.  Even if I don't need  to run the sheets between
the shrouds for windward performance I'll often  get better sail shape if I
do.  Here's my technique and I hope others  chime in with their methods:

If you're singlehandling you'll need to  lock the tiller so you can leave 
the
helm.

Untie the stopper knot at  the end of your windward sheet (you can rerun the
leeward sheet but it's  not as easy) and pull the sheet loose from the winch
and Genoa track block  (pulley).

>From the cabin grab the sheet forward of the outside  shroud.  I'm six foot
tall and can reach it without leaving the cabin  or using a boat hook.

Coil up the sheet and drop it on the sidedeck  just forward of the Genoa
sheet eye attached to the side of the cabin (on  my boat).

Run the bitter end of the sheet through the eye and with your  aft hand pull
the sheet into the cockpit.  I run the sheet through my  forward hand 
forward
of the eye to prevent the coil from getting tangled at  the eye.

>From the cockpit run the bitter end back through  block.  If you run it
directly to the winch the angle of the sheet may  be too high and cause the
sheet to get stuck around the winch during  use.  If you have a bimini make
sure you run the sheets to avoid  touching the bimini supports.

Retie your stopper knot but instead of  using a figure-eight knot use a
simple over-hand knot.  I've read  several articles lately that claim it 
will
hold better with the soft Genoa  sheets.

Come about so you can enjoy the fruits of your  labor.

Running the sheets between the mast and the inner shrouds is the  same 
except
you use the eye on top of the cabin and use the cam cleat  instead of the
block and winch.  It makes for a pretty small Genoa and  I usually only use
it if I'm beating it in higher winds.

As a  daysailor I frequently like to start out upwind and stay there to
prevent  the need to motor upwind to get back to my marina.  The heavier  
the
wind the more I try to stay upwind which can make for a fun run back  home. 
In light wind I use whatever point-of-sail keeps me moving and use  the 
motor
to return if necessary.

I've measured 45 degrees into the  wind several times and suspect that our
boats would do close to 40 degrees  with the right skipper and conditions.

Good luck!

Lee
1986  Rhodes22  AT EASE
Kent Island, MD

Come-here Jack  wrote:
> 
> Murphy's law--in full effect here on Mobjack  Bay--dictates that I spend
> more time than I'd like sailing to  windward.  My less-than-stellar 
sailing
> skills + some pretty old  & baggy sails make it unusual to point any 
higher
> than 60 degrees  off the wind (120 degree tacks).  I suspect the R-22 will
> point  higher than this, and I'd like to hear some opinions on moving the
>  genny sheets inside the shrouds.  Is it worth the effort?  Is there  a
> 'quick & easy' method?   Should I just learn to treat  my sailing more 
like
> sled riding (downhill only) ?
> 
>  
> Jack Chirch
> s/v Pax - Gloucester, VA
> 

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