[Rhodes22-list] Demasting

Mon Aug 16 15:14:55 EDT 2010

Does this still use a chainplate down the bow?

Hank

On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 3:22 PM, Chris Cowie <ccowie at cowieassociates.com>wrote:

> A recent new Rhodes included a bow sprit type anchor attachment that is
> secured to the bow/deck area and includes a bridle to allow attachement of
> the forestay.  I believe Stan did the installation.
>
> Christopher P. Cowie
>
>
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org [mailto:
> rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of John Lock
> Sent: Monday, August 16, 2010 10:53 AM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
>  Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Demasting
>
> Clearly attaching the forestay in that manner was dangerously
> inadequate.  That part of the deck is not reinforced to handle the
> loads generated by a full jib under sail.
>
> Since your boat seems to have something different about the anchor
> installation, you need to consider two alternatives:
>
> 1) Remove the anchor and mount it in some other fashion so the
> forestay and can be attached to a bow-mounted chainplate and secured
> properly.
>
> 2) Barring that, you should reinforce under the deck where the bolt
> passes thru with some stiff marine plywood or a chainplate and use one
> or two big, wide fender washers under the nut to spread the load out.
> Even so, I'd be cautious about that solution since the deck wasn't
> designed to do that.  You also have a nice hole to leak into the
> forepeak and deck core... sealing will be critical.
>
> Come to think of it... that may be why the rig failed!  Water leaking
> thru that mounting hole softened the deck core and allowed the washer
> and nut to be pulled straight thru.  Better check that area carefully
> and repair the deck core as necessary.
>
> Cheers!
> John Lock
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> s/v Pandion - '79 Rhodes 22
> Lake Sinclair, GA
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
>
> On Aug 15, 2010, at 20:12, bdunn1 at aol.com wrote:
> > Fred:  Thank you.  The forestay was not connected to a chain plate.
> > The chain plate was covered with an anchor. Someone drilled a 3/8"
> > hole in the deck and put a 1/2' washer and nut. Pictures will show.
> > I am glad someone wasn't hurt.
> > Bill
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Fred Kaiser <fkaiser2 at gmail.com>
> > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > Sent: Sun, Aug 15, 2010 7:43 pm
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Demasting
> >
> >
> > I have pulled and re-bedded all ports on Fretless and was not able to
> > inspect the chain plates since there is only an inch or so clearance
> > between
> > the outer shell and inner liner.  Perhaps a strong light and mirror
> > would
> > help locate the chain plates but not sure you would be able to
> > determine
> > their condition.
> >
> > Fred Kaiser
> > Fretless
> > Rock Hall MD.
> >
> > On Sun, Aug 15, 2010 at 6:57 PM, David Culp <dculp at hsbtx.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Bill:
> >>
> >> Very sorry to hear of the incident but very glad to hear that no
> >> one was
> >> injured.  I have forgotten what year model you have and how it is
> >> setup.
> >> If
> >> the forestay mast pin had dislodged and the forestay failed with
> >> the kind
> >> of
> >> wind force you described, I can see that a weakened chain plate could
> >> possibly fail also when it takes on that huge transient load.  I
> >> would have
> >> thought that the other stays would have at least kept the mast
> >> intact.  I
> >> don't know of any way to inspect the chain plates on the Rhodes
> >> without
> >> pulling the windows out and then I am not sure what you can see.
> >> Next trip
> >> to the boat, I am going to pull the fore-peak anchor line box and
> >> have a
> >> look at my forestay chain-plate anyway.  It may be different then
> >> yours
> >> because it doesn't come through a "hole in the deck" that you
> >> describe.  It
> >> is mounted as a tab externally.  I have the forestay pin wrapped in
> >> sailing
> >> tape so that the cotter can't be removed/dislodged because I have
> >> seen that
> >> happen before and then the force on the pin is the only thing
> >> keeping it
> >> in.
> >>
> >> In aircraft, we have inspection covers in strategic locations to
> >> check
> >> important components.  This incident makes me wonder whether or not
> >> older
> >> boats (of any make) should have the chain-plates looked at.  I had
> >> been
> >> holding off doing so because I don't want to pull out a perfectly
> >> good
> >> window that isn't leaking just to check.  Maybe some inspection
> >> plates can
> >> be cut in the liner to do the same thing and then be trimmed off to
> >> look
> >> nice.  Or maybe we are just asking too much of the cabin top stays
> >> in this
> >> situation.  Hard to know.  Anyway, pictures would be very much
> >> appreciated
> >> as would Stan's take on this incident.
> >>
> >> Sincerely,
> >> David Culp
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2010 17:19:16 -0400
> >> From: bdunn1 at aol.com
> >> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Demasting
> >> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> >> Message-ID: <8CD0A0D7C04E52A-1294-8E0B at webmail-m086.sysops.aol.com>
> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
> >>
> >> This is to Stan although other may chime in.  Great sailing today;
> >> boat
> >> going 5.0 knots; everyone (wife and daughter) comfortably chatting
> >> when the
> >> jib let loose with a "gun-shot bang", went flying over the
> >> starboard side
> >> and took and mast with it.  Fortunately, we were on the port side
> >> so no one
> >> was hit with stays, etc.   One stay was ripped out of the cabin top
> >> but all
> >> others held.    Everything in the water.  Tied it up like an old
> >> whale and
> >> motored back to the house dragging the largest sea anchor made.  Took
> >> everything apart and discovered the bolt holding the jib was
> >> slightly bent
> >> but not broken - mysterious.  ( I will send Stan some pictures).
> >> The hole
> >> in the deck was not ripped and I couldn't see under it due to the
> >> anchor
> >> line box.
> >>
> >>
> >> I am not certain about the future except it would be good if you
> >> have a
> >> boat
> >> delivery nearby, or even it you don't, that it could be picked up
> >> and taken
> >> back to your shop?  We are on Lake George, NY.  I sold my trailer
> >> since we
> >> are on the lake. After you receive the boat we can discuss what is
> >> to be
> >> done.
> >>
> >>
> >> regards,
> >> Bill Dunn
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