[Rhodes22-list] hull color
ken bates
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Thu Jul 8 18:30:10 EDT 2010
Paul
Where in Michigan are you?
Ken in Portage Mi
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> 1. Re: Hull color (KUHN, LELAND)
> 2. $50 Mast raising (ejor2 at aol.com)
> 3. Re: Tired of IMF (KUHN, LELAND)
> 4. Re: Tired of IMF (Mary Lou Troy)
> 5. Re: Hull color (pdgrand at nospam.wmis.net)
> 6. Re: Tired of IMF (David Culp)
> 7. Re: Tired of IMF (pdgrand at nospam.wmis.net)
> 8. Re: Tired of IMF (Charles Nieman)
> 9. Re: Tired of IMF (Ben Schultz)
> 10. Re: Tired of IMF (Rhodes Net)
> 11. Re: Tired of IMF (Jim Connolly)
> 12. Re: Hull color (Geoff Farrell)
> 13. Re: Tired of IMF (R22RumRunner at aol.com)
> 14. Re: Tired of IMF (John Shulick)
> 15. Re: Tired of IMF (John Shulick)
> 16. Re: Tired of IMF (John Shulick)
> 17. Re: Tired of IMF (R22RumRunner at aol.com)
> 18. Re: Hull color (pdgrand at nospam.wmis.net)
> 19. Tired of IMF (Charles Nieman)
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> Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2010 15:23:55 -0400
> From: "KUHN, LELAND" <LKUHN at cnmc.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Hull color
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> Caesar,
>
> It's a C&C and I think it's about 35'. It's a true racer-cruiser; fast
> boat first with nice accommodations second. It's all about compromises--the
> Rhodes' cockpit is more comfortable (and larger) and we're a "little" less
> expensive.
>
> The captain is one of the most experienced sailors I know. He sailed
> across the Atlantic and throughout the Mediterranean with his wife and son
> for two years when his son was a toddler.
>
> Here are some comments he had about our boats:
>
> "Bigger and more expensive is not always better. I have told many people
> about the Rhodes after seeing you sail it. I think it looks and sails
> excellent. After my trip to the Caribbean in the CC I was tempted to write
> an article named back to basics. However I am not a writer so it will most
> likely not happen. The point of the story is that I feel many sailors are
> missing out of the enjoyment due to the size of boat and equipment they
> install. Before I left I installed a wind vane which forced me to be better
> at trimming the sails. This meant I ended up sailing more and enjoying it.
> I did not have any concerns about batteries or generators cooling etc.
> Also I did not have the luxury to just motor as I only carried 20 gallons
> of fuel. Just shows you that these people on their "hi tek" boats are not
> having any more fun but most likely less. Ever notice that a lot of these
> boats never sail?"
>
> Lee
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org [mailto:
> rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Caesar Paul
> Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 1:20 PM
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> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Hull color
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> Hi Leland.
>
> What make of boat is that?? Are you the sailor / owner?? Could it be the
> Rhodes
> 25 that Stan has pending?
>
> Caesar
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Leland <LKUHN at cnmc.org>
> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> Sent: Wed, July 7, 2010 6:07:51 AM
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Hull color
>
>
>
> Geoff,
>
> Conventional wisdom and West Marine say you should wax your hull.? I don't
> think a dark hull will oxidize faster than a white one but it will probably
> be more noticeable.
>
> The owner's manual for my 2007 Toyota says I don't need to wax the car.
> Don't know if it's the paint or clearcoat but apparently something has
> improved.
>
> Stan may be using some type of new fangled paint because I haven't waxed my
> boat yet (2004 paint job) and so far it hasn't oxidized.
>
> I do know that red boats are faster.
>
> http://old.nabble.com/file/p29095893/7-4-19%2B001.jpg 7-4-19+001.jpg
> http://old.nabble.com/file/p29095893/7-4-19%2B002.jpg 7-4-19+002.jpg
> http://old.nabble.com/file/p29095893/7-4-19%2B003.jpg 7-4-19+003.jpg
>
> Good luck!
>
> Lee
> 1986 Rhodes22? AT EASE
> Kent Island, MD
>
> _________________________________
>
>
>
> Hi everybody. I'm trying to decide on a hull color. I've read lots of info
> regarding dark colors generating more heat, oxidizing faster than white
> hulls, etc. I'd be doing most of my sailing in the Alabama Gulf
> Shores/Florida Panhandle area. Anyone have any comments about darker colors
> in this environment? If you have a blue/black/red/green hull, do you have
> any regrets? My boat will be kept in a slip for about 6 months per year
> (Sept-Oct; Jan-April) and then in covered storage for the other months.
>
> Thanks, Geoff
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> Date: Wed, 07 Jul 2010 15:25:46 -0400
> From: ejor2 at aol.com
> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] $50 Mast raising
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> I said I would post an update once I had tried this mast raising system
> out. Well, it worked better than I could have hoped for and all for about
> $50. I've attached the directions again. The first time I lowered the mast,
> I had a couple of guys that were hanging out on the dock stand by just in
> case. Went down so smooth, they asked if I had patented this thing! I didn't
> bother them again when it was time to raise it and once again up she went,
> all by myself. I did have to stop part way up to untangle the stays, it
> swayed a little as a wave went by, but I was never woried about it going
> sideways. What a pleasure!!
>
> Eric J.
> Time Out
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> Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2010 15:28:33 -0400
> From: "KUHN, LELAND" <LKUHN at cnmc.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Tired of IMF
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> Jim,
>
> There might be something wrong with your IMF.
>
> Whenever my sail jams it's always user-error. If I keep tension on the
> outhaul it always furls into the mast smoothly no matter where the boom
> is, although it helps to have the boom slightly lower than horizontal
> and slightly to starboard.
>
> Lee
>
>
>
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> [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of
> jimtracyjohnston at centurytel.net
> Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 1:19 PM
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> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Tired of IMF
>
> Charlie, Every year, including this year, I ponder the same action you
> are considering, replace the IMF. My IMF system jams frequently when I
> try to reduce or furl in the sail. I inspect the nylon (or plastic?)
> disc at the top and bottom of the foil. I have tried different
> lubricants at both the top and bottom of the mast. The foil is
> straight, there are no dents or bands in the mast. The sail groove in
> the mast is smooth on all edges. I realize there can be little
> resistance on the sheets and the boom must hold the sail in alignment
> with the mast groove. When the main will NOT retract it flaps around
> until the boom is released from the traveler and the topping lift pulls
> the boom up parallel with the mast. I would like to look into an boom
> furling system. This will require a halyard for the head of the main
> sail. This might also allow better mail sail shape. The current loose
> footed main sail with IMF compromises optimum sail shape. I'm all ears
> for comments on IMF vs inner-boom furling. Jim J
>
> Quoting Bob Keller <r22yankeeclipper at hotmail.com>:
> >
> > John,
> >
> > That actually makes sense...
> >
> > BK
> >
> > > From: jlock at relevantarts.com
> > > To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> > > Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2010 12:22:59 -0400
> > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Tired of IMF
> > >
> > > Looking past the obvious "why would you do that?!" question, I
> wonder
> > > how feasible that downgrade would be? Seems like most of the
> standing
> > > rigging would have to be resized or replaced due to differing mast
> > > height or attachment points. Could you still use the same genoa? Or
> > > would that also need to be resized/replaced? Speaking from ignorance
> > > here... I don't know what (if any) dimensional differences there are
> > > between standard and IMF rigs.
> > >
> > > But if it were feasible, how about we just swap? I'll take your IMF
> > > rig and you can have my standard rig ;-)
> > >
> > > Cheers!
> > > John Lock
> > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > > s/v Pandion - '79 Rhodes 22
> > > Lake Sinclair, GA
> > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > >
> > >
> > > On Jul 7, 2010, at 12:04, R22RumRunner at aol.com wrote:
> > > > Charlie,
> > > > What in the hell are you drinking anyway? Nobody in their right
> mind
> > > > would
> > > > want to replace an IMF with a standard main. What gives
> here???????
> > > >
> > > > Rummy
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > In a message dated 7/7/2010 11:37:50 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> > > > blue66corvette at hotmail.com writes:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > The sail is tired and it is time to replace. I am sooooo tired of
> > > > fighting
> > > > the IMF and have decided to go to a standard main. Has anyone done
> > > > this
> > > > without replacing the mast? Any suggestions ??? I could really use
> > > > the
> > > > advise of all you experienced Rhodes guys out there ..
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Thanks
> > > >
> > > > Charlie
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> Date: Wed, 07 Jul 2010 15:40:02 -0400
> From: Mary Lou Troy <mtroy at atlanticbb.net>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Tired of IMF
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> Good memory John!
>
> We have found that the angle of the boom does make a big difference.
> Slightly below horizontal seems to work for us. If the boom is
> horizontal or above, it gets wrinkles as it furls. In fact if feel
> any resistance to furling, we stop, let out the topping lift and then furl
> it.
>
> We do have some problems with the furling line jamming in the
> fittings at the end of the boom but never with the sail itself
> jamming except twice.
>
> Once was very early on and we got a secondary halyard wrapped in with
> it - had to cut the halyard and pull it free (nothing was on it -
> it's the one we now use for the UPS.)
>
> The second time was recently after we had gotten our new vertical
> batten main and it seems to have jammed because the fabric of the
> sail wasn't wrapped tightly enough around the furling tube. We
> refurled, pulling on the outhaul to get a tighter wrap of the sail
> and then we were able to deploy the sail without too much trouble. We
> are trying to keep a little tension on the furling line so we get a
> tight wrap - just like you would with a jib furler but too much
> tension and it won't furl. The new sail is so much crisper than the
> old sail that it has a tendency to want to wrap loosely so right now
> (we've only sailed with it a 3 or 4 times) we are watching that
> carefully as we furl. I suspect it will be better once the fabric
> gets some memory for being wrapped around the tube.
>
> Charlie, some other things occur to me.
>
> You have had this problem for a long time and say your sail is pretty
> beat up. It could be that the condition of the sail itself is causing
> part of the problem.
>
> You mention something about the sail being "too thick" coming out. I
> assume you mean because of the wrinkles which even if you drop your
> boom may be nearly permanent because you've had the problem for such
> a long time. The only other thing I can think of that would make it
> thick is if you trying to furl it too far. The sail is supposed to
> furl so that the forward edge of the suncover is just inside the
> slot. The sun cover should be mostly exposed so that you have a
> visible triangle of (suncovered) sail.
>
> An intermediate step in your dilemma might be to look for a used main
> in better condition than the one you have. I know that several people
> on the list have replaced their furling main with the new vertical
> batten sail. When we did that, we asked Stan if he wanted the sail
> and he said he had too many of them and no market. He might be
> willing to sell you one of those cheap. Might even take it in trade
> on a vertical batten sail if you get the system working and decide
> that is what you want.
>
> Heck we'd sell you our old main cheap + shipping but it's somewhat
> soft and a little baggy (no rips or tears) - Stan may have one in
> newer condition.
>
> Trying to adapt your current mast to a standard bolt rope, sail slug
> or sail track system seems to me to be a daunting task involving
> something kluged together to deal with the wide slot of the IMF mast.
> It would probably be as cheap to trade mast and rigging with someone
> including the shipping costs.
>
> Someone mentioned poor sail shape because of the IMF and the
> loosefooted main. The "poor sail shape" is strictly the result of the
> cut of the IMF main (flat so it will furl and no roach so it will
> furl) and has nothing to do with the loosefooted part. Many racing
> boats use loosefooted mains which actually give you more control over
> the shape of the sail.
>
> Hope some of this is applicable to the problem.
>
> Mary Lou
> 1991 R22 Fretless
> Rock Hall, MD
> where there is a nice breeze but it is just too darned hot to sail
> Charlie - send us some of that rain, we need it badly!
>
>
> At 02:37 PM 7/7/2010, you wrote:
> >Charlie,
> >
> >You might try some searches in the list archives because I know this
> >topic has been discussed before. You are not alone in having a
> >struggle with IMF furling from time to time. However, it seems that
> >most have overcome the problems with minor changes in procedure and
> >setup, or proper lubrication, etc.
> >
> >For example, I remember one response (Mary Lou maybe?) that said the
> >angle of the boom to the mast when operating the furler was fairly
> >critical to getting a smooth furl. Too low or too high and the sail
> >bunches up in the mast? Going from memory here, so I may not have the
> >details right...
> >
> >Cheers!
> >John Lock
> >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> >s/v Pandion - '79 Rhodes 22
> >Lake Sinclair, GA
> >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> >
> >
> >On Jul 7, 2010, at 13:58, Charles Nieman wrote:
> > > Rummy
> > >
> > > Best question I have heard asked of me .... I "found" this forum in
> > > October of 07, but didn't think to ask all his experience until
> > > today .... guess I am just a SLOOOOOOOOW learner .... that might
> > > explain why I have been fighting this systenm for so long ......
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Located in Dallas, Texas .... don't see very many Rhodes out
> > > here .... I have lubricated parts ... tried to rig the outhaul the
> > > way Stan describes and even tried some of the approaches noted in
> > > these responses (and don't get me wrong ... I REALLY appreciate to
> > > massive response I am getting here) .... nothing seems to help...the
> > > sail ALWAYS folds when pulling in and is too thick when coming
> > > out .....
> > >
> > >> From: R22RumRunner at aol.com
> > >> Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2010 13:02:51 -0400
> > >> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> > >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Tired of IMF
> > >>
> > >> Charlie,
> > >> Yes, you are the only person on this planet that has problems with
> > >> your
> > >> IMF. Where are you located? Perhaps a knowledgeable Rhodie would be
> > >> willing
> > >> to help figure out your problem? It could be a physical/mechanical
> > >> problem
> > >> or something as simple as a lack of understanding as to how it
> > >> actually
> > >> works.
> > >> Rest assured you will get many people with standard sails wishing
> > >> to trade
> > >> with you. DO NOT DO IT. Stan has a new IMF sail design which is
> > >> manufactured by Doyle that adds a batten to the sail and a little
> > >> more sail cloth.
> > >> It's a wonderful upgrade.
> > >> One last question? Why did it take you fifteen years to find this
> > >> forum to
> > >> fix your problem?
> > >>
> > >> Rummy
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> In a message dated 7/7/2010 12:31:01 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> > >> blue66corvette at hotmail.com writes:
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Apparently I am the only one in the world that has trouble with the
> > >> IMF
> > >> .... I have FOUGHT this thing for 15 years ,.... the sail jambs
> > >> when coming
> > >> out, it takes all of my 235 pounds to pull it in, I have taken the
> > >> mast
> > >> apart two or three times trying to understand and get it to
> > >> work .... currently
> > >> the edge of the sail has been worn by the mast and has torn along
> > >> the seam
> > >> .... I am apparently pretty stupid for not knowing how to use this,
> > >> but it
> > >> seems to me that sooner or later one decides to stop banging your
> > >> head
> > >> against the wall just to see if the headache stops.... I wopuld be
> > >> glad to
> > >> listen to advise on how to make this work, but I am at the point
> > >> that part of
> > >> my problem is the duct tape holding the sail together, I HAVE to
> > >> replace
> > >> the sail, and I can't see paying $800 for a new sail that is going
> > >> to keep
> > >> giving me headaches.....
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Charlie
> > >>
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> Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2010 16:42:41 -0400 (EDT)
> From: pdgrand at nospam.wmis.net
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Hull color
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> Geoff,
>
> If you look around, you will see that most sailboats have white hulls.
> There is a reason for that. I bought mine brand new from Stan in 1999
> with a beautiful dark green hull. I believe it's the first green one he
> made. I loved it. It was beautiful. I received a lot of positive
> comments on it. I waxed it every spring. I put it in mid to late May and
> pull it out late September to early October. The rest of the time it is
> protected inside my barn. I live in Michigan, so the sun isn't nearly as
> strong here as it is further south. About four years ago I noticed that
> the hull was starting to fade. So, the color lasted about six or seven
> years before that happened. Not sure what, if anything, I could have done
> differently to prevent that. I've also tried various products to try to
> restore it to no avail so far. I'm afraid the only thing I can do is to
> eventually have it painted.
>
> Paul
>
> > Hi everybody. I'm trying to decide on a hull color. I've read lots of
> info
> > regarding dark colors generating more heat, oxidizing faster than white
> > hulls, etc. I'd be doing most of my sailing in the Alabama Gulf
> > Shores/Florida Panhandle area. Anyone have any comments about darker
> > colors
> > in this environment? If you have a blue/black/red/green hull, do you have
> > any regrets? My boat will be kept in a slip for about 6 months per year
> > (Sept-Oct; Jan-April) and then in covered storage for the other months.
> >
> > Thanks, Geoff
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> Message: 6
> Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2010 15:51:58 -0500
> From: David Culp <dculp at hsbtx.com>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Tired of IMF
> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
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> Charlie:
>
> I am about 2.5 hrs south of you in Horseshoe Bay. I have a 1998 with the
> IMF and the new battened main. I have taken the thing apart several times
> since owning the boat to inspect and lubricate it. It's a very simple
> system and shouldn't be giving you these problems. Take some really good
> pictures when you can and I will bet that barring damage to something that
> it can be made to work. Once you get it working, I think you will like it,
> especially with the new battened main. The first question that comes to
> mind is.... Is there anyway that the foil tube inside the mast could be
> kinked in anyway? Especially with the new bigger battened main, there is
> no
> room left inside the mast enclosure and everything must be straight. The
> other thing is the furler tube rigging could be wrapped around something is
> shouldn't. I can't imagine the kind of tension you are having to use, I
> can
> furl and unfurl mine with one hand as long as the boat is into the wind and
> the boom is set slightly to starboard.
>
> David Culp
>
>
> Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2010 14:36:14 -0400
> From: Charles Nieman <blue66corvette at hotmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Tired of IMF
> To: <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Message-ID: <COL120-W53A38923A105ACD42DC41D9B30 at phx.gbl>
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>
>
> I will take pictures ... but you'll have to wait a couple days .... it's
> starting to rain again and forcasted for most of the rest of the week
> ........
>
>
>
> Yeah, I'm bragging now
>
>
>
> Charlie
>
> Dallas, Texas
>
> > From: R22RumRunner at aol.com
> > Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2010 14:12:49 -0400
> > To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Tired of IMF
> >
> > Charlie,
> > I'm in SC and can't really hop in the car and come down to see what you
> > have. If you could take some detailed digital photos, we might be able to
> help
> > you. Perhaps there is a lurker Rhodie near you that would be willing to
> > help. Ben is probably the closest I know of and he's in Louisiana.
> > Lot's of photos showing your setup would really help. Hang in there.
> We'll
> > get this fixed. Trust me.
> >
> > Rummy
> >
> >
> > In a message dated 7/7/2010 2:00:59 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> > blue66corvette at hotmail.com writes:
> >
> >
> > Rummy
> >
> > Best question I have heard asked of me .... I "found" this forum in
> > October of 07, but didn't think to ask all his experience until today
> ....
> guess
> > I am just a SLOOOOOOOOW learner .... that might explain why I have been
> > fighting this systenm for so long ......
> >
> >
> >
> > Located in Dallas, Texas .... don't see very many Rhodes out here .... I
> > have lubricated parts ... tried to rig the outhaul the way Stan describes
> > and even tried some of the approaches noted in these responses (and don't
> get
> > me wrong ... I REALLY appreciate to massive response I am getting here)
> > .... nothing seems to help...the sail ALWAYS folds when pulling in and is
> too
> > thick when coming out .....
> >
> > > From: R22RumRunner at aol.com
> > > Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2010 13:02:51 -0400
> > > To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Tired of IMF
> > >
> > > Charlie,
> > > Yes, you are the only person on this planet that has problems with your
> > > IMF. Where are you located? Perhaps a knowledgeable Rhodie would be
> > willing
> > > to help figure out your problem? It could be a physical/mechanical
> > problem
> > > or something as simple as a lack of understanding as to how it actually
> > > works.
> > > Rest assured you will get many people with standard sails wishing to
> > trade
> > > with you. DO NOT DO IT. Stan has a new IMF sail design which is
> > > manufactured by Doyle that adds a batten to the sail and a little more
> > sail cloth.
> > > It's a wonderful upgrade.
> > > One last question? Why did it take you fifteen years to find this forum
> > to
> > > fix your problem?
> > >
> > > Rummy
> > >
> > >
> > > In a message dated 7/7/2010 12:31:01 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> > > blue66corvette at hotmail.com writes:
> > >
> > >
> > > Apparently I am the only one in the world that has trouble with the IMF
> > > .... I have FOUGHT this thing for 15 years ,.... the sail jambs when
> > coming
> > > out, it takes all of my 235 pounds to pull it in, I have taken the mast
> > > apart two or three times trying to understand and get it to work ....
> > currently
> > > the edge of the sail has been worn by the mast and has torn along the
> > seam
> > > .... I am apparently pretty stupid for not knowing how to use this, but
> > it
> > > seems to me that sooner or later one decides to stop banging your head
> > > against the wall just to see if the headache stops.... I wopuld be glad
> > to
> > > listen to advise on how to make this work, but I am at the point that
> > part of
> > > my problem is the duct tape holding the sail together, I HAVE to
> replace
> > > the sail, and I can't see paying $800 for a new sail that is going to
> > keep
> > > giving me headaches.....
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Charlie
> > >
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> Message: 7
> Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2010 16:57:07 -0400 (EDT)
> From: pdgrand at nospam.wmis.net
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Tired of IMF
> To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
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>
> Charlie,
>
> This may be an over-simplification because you might also have something
> else wrong with your system. However, over time sails lose their shape
> and become "baggy". Mine is about 11 years old now and I've noticed a
> little more difficulty furling and unfurling. The solution may be as
> simple as you just need a new sail (which you said you needed anyway).
> Once you get a new sail you may find that your problem is solved.
>
> Paul
> >
> > The sail is tired and it is time to replace. I am sooooo tired of
> fighting
> > the IMF and have decided to go to a standard main. Has anyone done this
> > without replacing the mast? Any suggestions ??? I could really use the
> > advise of all you experienced Rhodes guys out there ..
> >
> >
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > Charlie
> >
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> Message: 8
> Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2010 17:03:41 -0400
> From: Charles Nieman <blue66corvette at hotmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Tired of IMF
> To: <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
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>
>
> David
>
> I must drive much slower than you cause that trip takes me 3 1/2 hours
> ..... but still that is very close,,,,,plus Mother-in-law lives in Temple
> ..... maybe next time I am that way I could come out and you could show me
> how to make this thing work????
>
>
>
> I would buy you a beer ..... maybe even a steak to wash it down with ....
>
>
>
> Charlie
>
> > Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2010 15:51:58 -0500
> > From: dculp at hsbtx.com
> > To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Tired of IMF
> >
> > Charlie:
> >
> > I am about 2.5 hrs south of you in Horseshoe Bay. I have a 1998 with the
> > IMF and the new battened main. I have taken the thing apart several times
> > since owning the boat to inspect and lubricate it. It's a very simple
> > system and shouldn't be giving you these problems. Take some really good
> > pictures when you can and I will bet that barring damage to something
> that
> > it can be made to work. Once you get it working, I think you will like
> it,
> > especially with the new battened main. The first question that comes to
> > mind is.... Is there anyway that the foil tube inside the mast could be
> > kinked in anyway? Especially with the new bigger battened main, there is
> no
> > room left inside the mast enclosure and everything must be straight. The
> > other thing is the furler tube rigging could be wrapped around something
> is
> > shouldn't. I can't imagine the kind of tension you are having to use, I
> can
> > furl and unfurl mine with one hand as long as the boat is into the wind
> and
> > the boom is set slightly to starboard.
> >
> > David Culp
> >
> >
> > Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2010 14:36:14 -0400
> > From: Charles Nieman <blue66corvette at hotmail.com>
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Tired of IMF
> > To: <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > Message-ID: <COL120-W53A38923A105ACD42DC41D9B30 at phx.gbl>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
> >
> >
> > I will take pictures ... but you'll have to wait a couple days .... it's
> > starting to rain again and forcasted for most of the rest of the week
> > ........
> >
> >
> >
> > Yeah, I'm bragging now
> >
> >
> >
> > Charlie
> >
> > Dallas, Texas
> >
> > > From: R22RumRunner at aol.com
> > > Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2010 14:12:49 -0400
> > > To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Tired of IMF
> > >
> > > Charlie,
> > > I'm in SC and can't really hop in the car and come down to see what you
> > > have. If you could take some detailed digital photos, we might be able
> to
> > help
> > > you. Perhaps there is a lurker Rhodie near you that would be willing to
> > > help. Ben is probably the closest I know of and he's in Louisiana.
> > > Lot's of photos showing your setup would really help. Hang in there.
> We'll
> > > get this fixed. Trust me.
> > >
> > > Rummy
> > >
> > >
> > > In a message dated 7/7/2010 2:00:59 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> > > blue66corvette at hotmail.com writes:
> > >
> > >
> > > Rummy
> > >
> > > Best question I have heard asked of me .... I "found" this forum in
> > > October of 07, but didn't think to ask all his experience until today
> ....
> > guess
> > > I am just a SLOOOOOOOOW learner .... that might explain why I have been
> > > fighting this systenm for so long ......
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Located in Dallas, Texas .... don't see very many Rhodes out here ....
> I
> > > have lubricated parts ... tried to rig the outhaul the way Stan
> describes
> > > and even tried some of the approaches noted in these responses (and
> don't
> > get
> > > me wrong ... I REALLY appreciate to massive response I am getting here)
> > > .... nothing seems to help...the sail ALWAYS folds when pulling in and
> is
> > too
> > > thick when coming out .....
> > >
> > > > From: R22RumRunner at aol.com
> > > > Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2010 13:02:51 -0400
> > > > To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> > > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Tired of IMF
> > > >
> > > > Charlie,
> > > > Yes, you are the only person on this planet that has problems with
> your
> > > > IMF. Where are you located? Perhaps a knowledgeable Rhodie would be
> > > willing
> > > > to help figure out your problem? It could be a physical/mechanical
> > > problem
> > > > or something as simple as a lack of understanding as to how it
> actually
> > > > works.
> > > > Rest assured you will get many people with standard sails wishing to
> > > trade
> > > > with you. DO NOT DO IT. Stan has a new IMF sail design which is
> > > > manufactured by Doyle that adds a batten to the sail and a little
> more
> > > sail cloth.
> > > > It's a wonderful upgrade.
> > > > One last question? Why did it take you fifteen years to find this
> forum
> > > to
> > > > fix your problem?
> > > >
> > > > Rummy
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > In a message dated 7/7/2010 12:31:01 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> > > > blue66corvette at hotmail.com writes:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Apparently I am the only one in the world that has trouble with the
> IMF
> > > > .... I have FOUGHT this thing for 15 years ,.... the sail jambs when
> > > coming
> > > > out, it takes all of my 235 pounds to pull it in, I have taken the
> mast
> > > > apart two or three times trying to understand and get it to work ....
> > > currently
> > > > the edge of the sail has been worn by the mast and has torn along the
> > > seam
> > > > .... I am apparently pretty stupid for not knowing how to use this,
> but
> > > it
> > > > seems to me that sooner or later one decides to stop banging your
> head
> > > > against the wall just to see if the headache stops.... I wopuld be
> glad
> > > to
> > > > listen to advise on how to make this work, but I am at the point that
> > > part of
> > > > my problem is the duct tape holding the sail together, I HAVE to
> replace
> > > > the sail, and I can't see paying $800 for a new sail that is going to
> > > keep
> > > > giving me headaches.....
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Charlie
> > > >
> > > > _________________________________________________________________
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> > > with
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> Message: 9
> Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2010 16:14:47 -0500
> From: "Ben Schultz" <benonvelvetelvis at theskinnyonbenny.com>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Tired of IMF
> To: "'The Rhodes 22 Email List'" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
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> Charlie -- There's a pretty good chance that I'll have a chore for a
> relative that brings me to the Dallas area for a couple of days. Not sure
> when I'll work it in, but it would be some time between now and football
> season. I'll definitely let you know when I know that I'm going to be out
> there. Would rather fix your sail and maybe get in a little lake time than
> spend time with my Dallas people anyway.
>
> I'm hoping that GB does indeed have an inventory of slightly used sails; I
> may be in the position to buy one (or maybe even one and a backup). I blew
> a rip in the seam of my main earlier in the spring. Spent a cold, rainy
> day
> taping/sewing it back up, and then this weekend, in huge Alex-driven gusts,
> I pretty well shredded the seam between normal sailcloth and sunbrulla (or
> whatever the sun-proof fabric is). I don't think I can repair it now.
>
> The timing is good (or maybe coincidentally bad), because I heard on Monday
> that tar balls and an oil sheen have made their way to the channel where
> our
> lake lets out into the gulf. I'm docked on the East side, which is closest
> to the Gulf, so I'm inclined to put her on the trailer for a couple of
> weeks
> (months?/years?) anyway. I'm bidding on a job that would bring me to a
> town
> fairly close to Edenton every month, so maybe I can squeeze in some time to
> drop in on Stan for some shopping.
>
> Rummy -- I'm also planning a 2+ week trip around the Southeast, visiting
> various friends, lakes, and beaches. If my travels bring me close to
> Hartwell, I'll give you a call to see if you're up for polishing off a
> bottle of Mt. Gay on Rum Runner. It would be somewhere in the timeframe
> where July turns into August, but I'll let you know more when I make a
> better plan.
>
> Happy Sailing!
>
> Ben
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
> [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Mary Lou Troy
> Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 2:40 PM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Tired of IMF
>
> Good memory John!
>
> We have found that the angle of the boom does make a big difference.
> Slightly below horizontal seems to work for us. If the boom is
> horizontal or above, it gets wrinkles as it furls. In fact if feel
> any resistance to furling, we stop, let out the topping lift and then furl
> it.
>
> We do have some problems with the furling line jamming in the
> fittings at the end of the boom but never with the sail itself
> jamming except twice.
>
> Once was very early on and we got a secondary halyard wrapped in with
> it - had to cut the halyard and pull it free (nothing was on it -
> it's the one we now use for the UPS.)
>
> The second time was recently after we had gotten our new vertical
> batten main and it seems to have jammed because the fabric of the
> sail wasn't wrapped tightly enough around the furling tube. We
> refurled, pulling on the outhaul to get a tighter wrap of the sail
> and then we were able to deploy the sail without too much trouble. We
> are trying to keep a little tension on the furling line so we get a
> tight wrap - just like you would with a jib furler but too much
> tension and it won't furl. The new sail is so much crisper than the
> old sail that it has a tendency to want to wrap loosely so right now
> (we've only sailed with it a 3 or 4 times) we are watching that
> carefully as we furl. I suspect it will be better once the fabric
> gets some memory for being wrapped around the tube.
>
> Charlie, some other things occur to me.
>
> You have had this problem for a long time and say your sail is pretty
> beat up. It could be that the condition of the sail itself is causing
> part of the problem.
>
> You mention something about the sail being "too thick" coming out. I
> assume you mean because of the wrinkles which even if you drop your
> boom may be nearly permanent because you've had the problem for such
> a long time. The only other thing I can think of that would make it
> thick is if you trying to furl it too far. The sail is supposed to
> furl so that the forward edge of the suncover is just inside the
> slot. The sun cover should be mostly exposed so that you have a
> visible triangle of (suncovered) sail.
>
> An intermediate step in your dilemma might be to look for a used main
> in better condition than the one you have. I know that several people
> on the list have replaced their furling main with the new vertical
> batten sail. When we did that, we asked Stan if he wanted the sail
> and he said he had too many of them and no market. He might be
> willing to sell you one of those cheap. Might even take it in trade
> on a vertical batten sail if you get the system working and decide
> that is what you want.
>
> Heck we'd sell you our old main cheap + shipping but it's somewhat
> soft and a little baggy (no rips or tears) - Stan may have one in
> newer condition.
>
> Trying to adapt your current mast to a standard bolt rope, sail slug
> or sail track system seems to me to be a daunting task involving
> something kluged together to deal with the wide slot of the IMF mast.
> It would probably be as cheap to trade mast and rigging with someone
> including the shipping costs.
>
> Someone mentioned poor sail shape because of the IMF and the
> loosefooted main. The "poor sail shape" is strictly the result of the
> cut of the IMF main (flat so it will furl and no roach so it will
> furl) and has nothing to do with the loosefooted part. Many racing
> boats use loosefooted mains which actually give you more control over
> the shape of the sail.
>
> Hope some of this is applicable to the problem.
>
> Mary Lou
> 1991 R22 Fretless
> Rock Hall, MD
> where there is a nice breeze but it is just too darned hot to sail
> Charlie - send us some of that rain, we need it badly!
>
>
> At 02:37 PM 7/7/2010, you wrote:
> >Charlie,
> >
> >You might try some searches in the list archives because I know this
> >topic has been discussed before. You are not alone in having a
> >struggle with IMF furling from time to time. However, it seems that
> >most have overcome the problems with minor changes in procedure and
> >setup, or proper lubrication, etc.
> >
> >For example, I remember one response (Mary Lou maybe?) that said the
> >angle of the boom to the mast when operating the furler was fairly
> >critical to getting a smooth furl. Too low or too high and the sail
> >bunches up in the mast? Going from memory here, so I may not have the
> >details right...
> >
> >Cheers!
> >John Lock
> >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> >s/v Pandion - '79 Rhodes 22
> >Lake Sinclair, GA
> >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> >
> >
> >On Jul 7, 2010, at 13:58, Charles Nieman wrote:
> > > Rummy
> > >
> > > Best question I have heard asked of me .... I "found" this forum in
> > > October of 07, but didn't think to ask all his experience until
> > > today .... guess I am just a SLOOOOOOOOW learner .... that might
> > > explain why I have been fighting this systenm for so long ......
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Located in Dallas, Texas .... don't see very many Rhodes out
> > > here .... I have lubricated parts ... tried to rig the outhaul the
> > > way Stan describes and even tried some of the approaches noted in
> > > these responses (and don't get me wrong ... I REALLY appreciate to
> > > massive response I am getting here) .... nothing seems to help...the
> > > sail ALWAYS folds when pulling in and is too thick when coming
> > > out .....
> > >
> > >> From: R22RumRunner at aol.com
> > >> Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2010 13:02:51 -0400
> > >> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> > >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Tired of IMF
> > >>
> > >> Charlie,
> > >> Yes, you are the only person on this planet that has problems with
> > >> your
> > >> IMF. Where are you located? Perhaps a knowledgeable Rhodie would be
> > >> willing
> > >> to help figure out your problem? It could be a physical/mechanical
> > >> problem
> > >> or something as simple as a lack of understanding as to how it
> > >> actually
> > >> works.
> > >> Rest assured you will get many people with standard sails wishing
> > >> to trade
> > >> with you. DO NOT DO IT. Stan has a new IMF sail design which is
> > >> manufactured by Doyle that adds a batten to the sail and a little
> > >> more sail cloth.
> > >> It's a wonderful upgrade.
> > >> One last question? Why did it take you fifteen years to find this
> > >> forum to
> > >> fix your problem?
> > >>
> > >> Rummy
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> In a message dated 7/7/2010 12:31:01 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> > >> blue66corvette at hotmail.com writes:
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Apparently I am the only one in the world that has trouble with the
> > >> IMF
> > >> .... I have FOUGHT this thing for 15 years ,.... the sail jambs
> > >> when coming
> > >> out, it takes all of my 235 pounds to pull it in, I have taken the
> > >> mast
> > >> apart two or three times trying to understand and get it to
> > >> work .... currently
> > >> the edge of the sail has been worn by the mast and has torn along
> > >> the seam
> > >> .... I am apparently pretty stupid for not knowing how to use this,
> > >> but it
> > >> seems to me that sooner or later one decides to stop banging your
> > >> head
> > >> against the wall just to see if the headache stops.... I wopuld be
> > >> glad to
> > >> listen to advise on how to make this work, but I am at the point
> > >> that part of
> > >> my problem is the duct tape holding the sail together, I HAVE to
> > >> replace
> > >> the sail, and I can't see paying $800 for a new sail that is going
> > >> to keep
> > >> giving me headaches.....
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Charlie
> > >>
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> Message: 10
> Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2010 15:20:40 -0600
> From: Rhodes Net <bobandkathyr22 at bellsouth.net>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Tired of IMF
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Message-ID: <5FAB3812-6EC7-44A6-9D4D-36C5FA0535DA at bellsouth.net>
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>
> Another option or two:
>
> Stan has improved the bearings. Order new ones.
>
> Get a new sail. If what you have is salvageable, send to Sail Care for
> "repair and renewing."
>
> I'll be in Dallas in Oct if you haven't figured it out by then.
>
> Bob on the "NoKaOi 3". 14 year R22 with IMF guy!
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jul 7, 2010, at 3:03 PM, Charles Nieman <blue66corvette at hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> >
> > David
> >
> > I must drive much slower than you cause that trip takes me 3 1/2 hours
> ..... but still that is very close,,,,,plus Mother-in-law lives in Temple
> ..... maybe next time I am that way I could come out and you could show me
> how to make this thing work????
> >
> >
> >
> > I would buy you a beer ..... maybe even a steak to wash it down with ....
> >
> >
> >
> > Charlie
> >
> >> Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2010 15:51:58 -0500
> >> From: dculp at hsbtx.com
> >> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Tired of IMF
> >>
> >> Charlie:
> >>
> >> I am about 2.5 hrs south of you in Horseshoe Bay. I have a 1998 with the
> >> IMF and the new battened main. I have taken the thing apart several
> times
> >> since owning the boat to inspect and lubricate it. It's a very simple
> >> system and shouldn't be giving you these problems. Take some really good
> >> pictures when you can and I will bet that barring damage to something
> that
> >> it can be made to work. Once you get it working, I think you will like
> it,
> >> especially with the new battened main. The first question that comes to
> >> mind is.... Is there anyway that the foil tube inside the mast could be
> >> kinked in anyway? Especially with the new bigger battened main, there is
> no
> >> room left inside the mast enclosure and everything must be straight. The
> >> other thing is the furler tube rigging could be wrapped around something
> is
> >> shouldn't. I can't imagine the kind of tension you are having to use, I
> can
> >> furl and unfurl mine with one hand as long as the boat is into the wind
> and
> >> the boom is set slightly to starboard.
> >>
> >> David Culp
> >>
> >>
> >> Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2010 14:36:14 -0400
> >> From: Charles Nieman <blue66corvette at hotmail.com>
> >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Tired of IMF
> >> To: <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> >> Message-ID: <COL120-W53A38923A105ACD42DC41D9B30 at phx.gbl>
> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
> >>
> >>
> >> I will take pictures ... but you'll have to wait a couple days .... it's
> >> starting to rain again and forcasted for most of the rest of the week
> >> ........
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Yeah, I'm bragging now
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Charlie
> >>
> >> Dallas, Texas
> >>
> >>> From: R22RumRunner at aol.com
> >>> Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2010 14:12:49 -0400
> >>> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> >>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Tired of IMF
> >>>
> >>> Charlie,
> >>> I'm in SC and can't really hop in the car and come down to see what you
> >>> have. If you could take some detailed digital photos, we might be able
> to
> >> help
> >>> you. Perhaps there is a lurker Rhodie near you that would be willing to
> >>> help. Ben is probably the closest I know of and he's in Louisiana.
> >>> Lot's of photos showing your setup would really help. Hang in there.
> We'll
> >>> get this fixed. Trust me.
> >>>
> >>> Rummy
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> In a message dated 7/7/2010 2:00:59 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> >>> blue66corvette at hotmail.com writes:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Rummy
> >>>
> >>> Best question I have heard asked of me .... I "found" this forum in
> >>> October of 07, but didn't think to ask all his experience until today
> ....
> >> guess
> >>> I am just a SLOOOOOOOOW learner .... that might explain why I have been
> >>> fighting this systenm for so long ......
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Located in Dallas, Texas .... don't see very many Rhodes out here ....
> I
> >>> have lubricated parts ... tried to rig the outhaul the way Stan
> describes
> >>> and even tried some of the approaches noted in these responses (and
> don't
> >> get
> >>> me wrong ... I REALLY appreciate to massive response I am getting here)
> >>> .... nothing seems to help...the sail ALWAYS folds when pulling in and
> is
> >> too
> >>> thick when coming out .....
> >>>
> >>>> From: R22RumRunner at aol.com
> >>>> Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2010 13:02:51 -0400
> >>>> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> >>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Tired of IMF
> >>>>
> >>>> Charlie,
> >>>> Yes, you are the only person on this planet that has problems with
> your
> >>>> IMF. Where are you located? Perhaps a knowledgeable Rhodie would be
> >>> willing
> >>>> to help figure out your problem? It could be a physical/mechanical
> >>> problem
> >>>> or something as simple as a lack of understanding as to how it
> actually
> >>>> works.
> >>>> Rest assured you will get many people with standard sails wishing to
> >>> trade
> >>>> with you. DO NOT DO IT. Stan has a new IMF sail design which is
> >>>> manufactured by Doyle that adds a batten to the sail and a little more
> >>> sail cloth.
> >>>> It's a wonderful upgrade.
> >>>> One last question? Why did it take you fifteen years to find this
> forum
> >>> to
> >>>> fix your problem?
> >>>>
> >>>> Rummy
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> In a message dated 7/7/2010 12:31:01 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> >>>> blue66corvette at hotmail.com writes:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Apparently I am the only one in the world that has trouble with the
> IMF
> >>>> .... I have FOUGHT this thing for 15 years ,.... the sail jambs when
> >>> coming
> >>>> out, it takes all of my 235 pounds to pull it in, I have taken the
> mast
> >>>> apart two or three times trying to understand and get it to work ....
> >>> currently
> >>>> the edge of the sail has been worn by the mast and has torn along the
> >>> seam
> >>>> .... I am apparently pretty stupid for not knowing how to use this,
> but
> >>> it
> >>>> seems to me that sooner or later one decides to stop banging your head
> >>>> against the wall just to see if the headache stops.... I wopuld be
> glad
> >>> to
> >>>> listen to advise on how to make this work, but I am at the point that
> >>> part of
> >>>> my problem is the duct tape holding the sail together, I HAVE to
> replace
> >>>> the sail, and I can't see paying $800 for a new sail that is going to
> >>> keep
> >>>> giving me headaches.....
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Charlie
> >>>>
> >>>> _________________________________________________________________
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> >>> with
> >>>> Hotmail.
> >>>>
> >>>
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> Message: 11
> Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2010 17:42:32 -0400
> From: "Jim Connolly" <jbconnolly at comcast.net>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Tired of IMF
> To: "'The Rhodes 22 Email List'" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
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> I make no claims as to expertise, but I have had only infrequent problems
> with the IMF, and they are usually traceable to need for lubrication or
> operator error. I furl two handed with the aft end of the boom over the
> starboard gunwale. The mainsheet is slack at this point. I pull the black
> furling line with my right hand and maintain a slight tension with my left
> on the blue outhaul line (also ensuring that the outhaul line stays out of
> the cam cleat). If the boom is level with the mast, the sail usually furls
> without bunching.
>
> I keep my boat on a mooring, so even if it bunches, I wait until I am
> moored, adjust the boom and repeat until I am satisfied. I had my topping
> lift marked for the perfect position to furl, but the mark wore off over
> the
> winter. I am still finding my way back to the proper adjustment for the
> topping lift.
>
> I lubricate when required with WD-40. This can be done on the lower
> bearing
> even when the mast is up. Jam a bunch of paper towels in the mast slot
> beneath the bushing to absorb the excess and use the straw to hit the wear
> points.
>
> Good luck
>
> Jim Connolly
> s/v Inisheer
> '85 recycled '03
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
> [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Charles Nieman
> Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 1:59 PM
> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Tired of IMF
>
>
> Rummy
>
> Best question I have heard asked of me .... I "found" this forum in October
> of 07, but didn't think to ask all his experience until today .... guess I
> am just a SLOOOOOOOOW learner .... that might explain why I have been
> fighting this systenm for so long ......
>
>
>
> Located in Dallas, Texas .... don't see very many Rhodes out here .... I
> have lubricated parts ... tried to rig the outhaul the way Stan describes
> and even tried some of the approaches noted in these responses (and don't
> get me wrong ... I REALLY appreciate to massive response I am getting here)
> .... nothing seems to help...the sail ALWAYS folds when pulling in and is
> too thick when coming out .....
>
> > From: R22RumRunner at aol.com
> > Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2010 13:02:51 -0400
> > To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Tired of IMF
> >
> > Charlie,
> > Yes, you are the only person on this planet that has problems with your
> > IMF. Where are you located? Perhaps a knowledgeable Rhodie would be
> willing
> > to help figure out your problem? It could be a physical/mechanical
> problem
>
> > or something as simple as a lack of understanding as to how it actually
> > works.
> > Rest assured you will get many people with standard sails wishing to
> trade
>
> > with you. DO NOT DO IT. Stan has a new IMF sail design which is
> > manufactured by Doyle that adds a batten to the sail and a little more
> sail cloth.
> > It's a wonderful upgrade.
> > One last question? Why did it take you fifteen years to find this forum
> to
>
> > fix your problem?
> >
> > Rummy
> >
> >
> > In a message dated 7/7/2010 12:31:01 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> > blue66corvette at hotmail.com writes:
> >
> >
> > Apparently I am the only one in the world that has trouble with the IMF
> > .... I have FOUGHT this thing for 15 years ,.... the sail jambs when
> coming
> > out, it takes all of my 235 pounds to pull it in, I have taken the mast
> > apart two or three times trying to understand and get it to work ....
> currently
> > the edge of the sail has been worn by the mast and has torn along the
> seam
>
> > .... I am apparently pretty stupid for not knowing how to use this, but
> it
>
> > seems to me that sooner or later one decides to stop banging your head
> > against the wall just to see if the headache stops.... I wopuld be glad
> to
>
> > listen to advise on how to make this work, but I am at the point that
> part
> of
> > my problem is the duct tape holding the sail together, I HAVE to replace
> > the sail, and I can't see paying $800 for a new sail that is going to
> keep
>
> > giving me headaches.....
> >
> >
> >
> > Charlie
> >
> > _________________________________________________________________
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> Message: 12
> Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2010 18:39:14 -0500
> From: Geoff Farrell <geoffreylfarrell at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Hull color
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
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> Paul: Have you tried this....
>
>
> http://www.303products.com/shop303/index.cfm/category/109/restoring-gelcoat-fiberglass.cfm
>
> I use this stuff on the vinyl seats of my pontoon boat (seats are off white
> and maroon). The boat is 12 year old and when people come aboard they think
> it's new. This is an expensive product but in my opinion it is worth it.
> Geoff
>
> On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 3:42 PM, <pdgrand at nospam.wmis.net> wrote:
>
> > Geoff,
> >
> > If you look around, you will see that most sailboats have white hulls.
> > There is a reason for that. I bought mine brand new from Stan in 1999
> > with a beautiful dark green hull. I believe it's the first green one he
> > made. I loved it. It was beautiful. I received a lot of positive
> > comments on it. I waxed it every spring. I put it in mid to late May
> and
> > pull it out late September to early October. The rest of the time it is
> > protected inside my barn. I live in Michigan, so the sun isn't nearly as
> > strong here as it is further south. About four years ago I noticed that
> > the hull was starting to fade. So, the color lasted about six or seven
> > years before that happened. Not sure what, if anything, I could have
> done
> > differently to prevent that. I've also tried various products to try to
> > restore it to no avail so far. I'm afraid the only thing I can do is to
> > eventually have it painted.
> >
> > Paul
> >
> > > Hi everybody. I'm trying to decide on a hull color. I've read lots of
> > info
> > > regarding dark colors generating more heat, oxidizing faster than white
> > > hulls, etc. I'd be doing most of my sailing in the Alabama Gulf
> > > Shores/Florida Panhandle area. Anyone have any comments about darker
> > > colors
> > > in this environment? If you have a blue/black/red/green hull, do you
> have
> > > any regrets? My boat will be kept in a slip for about 6 months per year
> > > (Sept-Oct; Jan-April) and then in covered storage for the other months.
> > >
> > > Thanks, Geoff
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> Message: 13
> Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2010 19:58:26 EDT
> From: R22RumRunner at aol.com
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Tired of IMF
> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
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> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
>
> Charlie,
> You can send all the rain you don't need our way. It's dry again in SC.
>
> Rummy
>
>
> In a message dated 7/7/2010 2:36:30 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> blue66corvette at hotmail.com writes:
>
>
> I will take pictures ... but you'll have to wait a couple days .... it's
> starting to rain again and forcasted for most of the rest of the week
> ........
>
>
>
> Yeah, I'm bragging now
>
>
>
> Charlie
>
> Dallas, Texas
>
> > From: R22RumRunner at aol.com
> > Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2010 14:12:49 -0400
> > To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Tired of IMF
> >
> > Charlie,
> > I'm in SC and can't really hop in the car and come down to see what you
> > have. If you could take some detailed digital photos, we might be able
> to help
> > you. Perhaps there is a lurker Rhodie near you that would be willing to
> > help. Ben is probably the closest I know of and he's in Louisiana.
> > Lot's of photos showing your setup would really help. Hang in there.
> We'll
> > get this fixed. Trust me.
> >
> > Rummy
> >
> >
> > In a message dated 7/7/2010 2:00:59 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> > blue66corvette at hotmail.com writes:
> >
> >
> > Rummy
> >
> > Best question I have heard asked of me .... I "found" this forum in
> > October of 07, but didn't think to ask all his experience until today
> .... guess
> > I am just a SLOOOOOOOOW learner .... that might explain why I have been
> > fighting this systenm for so long ......
> >
> >
> >
> > Located in Dallas, Texas .... don't see very many Rhodes out here .... I
> > have lubricated parts ... tried to rig the outhaul the way Stan
> describes
> > and even tried some of the approaches noted in these responses (and
> don't get
> > me wrong ... I REALLY appreciate to massive response I am getting here)
> > .... nothing seems to help...the sail ALWAYS folds when pulling in and
> is too
> > thick when coming out .....
> >
> > > From: R22RumRunner at aol.com
> > > Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2010 13:02:51 -0400
> > > To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Tired of IMF
> > >
> > > Charlie,
> > > Yes, you are the only person on this planet that has problems with
> your
> > > IMF. Where are you located? Perhaps a knowledgeable Rhodie would be
> > willing
> > > to help figure out your problem? It could be a physical/mechanical
> > problem
> > > or something as simple as a lack of understanding as to how it
> actually
> > > works.
> > > Rest assured you will get many people with standard sails wishing to
> > trade
> > > with you. DO NOT DO IT. Stan has a new IMF sail design which is
> > > manufactured by Doyle that adds a batten to the sail and a little more
> > sail cloth.
> > > It's a wonderful upgrade.
> > > One last question? Why did it take you fifteen years to find this
> forum
> > to
> > > fix your problem?
> > >
> > > Rummy
> > >
> > >
> > > In a message dated 7/7/2010 12:31:01 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> > > blue66corvette at hotmail.com writes:
> > >
> > >
> > > Apparently I am the only one in the world that has trouble with the
> IMF
> > > .... I have FOUGHT this thing for 15 years ,.... the sail jambs when
> > coming
> > > out, it takes all of my 235 pounds to pull it in, I have taken the
> mast
> > > apart two or three times trying to understand and get it to work ....
> > currently
> > > the edge of the sail has been worn by the mast and has torn along the
> > seam
> > > .... I am apparently pretty stupid for not knowing how to use this,
> but
> > it
> > > seems to me that sooner or later one decides to stop banging your head
> > > against the wall just to see if the headache stops.... I wopuld be
> glad
> > to
> > > listen to advise on how to make this work, but I am at the point that
> > part of
> > > my problem is the duct tape holding the sail together, I HAVE to
> replace
> > > the sail, and I can't see paying $800 for a new sail that is going to
> > keep
> > > giving me headaches.....
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Charlie
> > >
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> Message: 14
> Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2010 19:27:47 -0700 (PDT)
> From: John Shulick <jsbudda at verizon.net>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Tired of IMF
> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> Message-ID: <29100015.post at talk.nabble.com>
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>
>
> John,
>
> The IMF mast is taller than the standard main. I had Mike Cheungs' boat
> (09
> recycle) and my (71 original) side by side and he looked 1 to 2 ft taller
> easy. You would need new rigging but you might save on the genoa by having
> it re-cut.
>
> John S
>
>
> jlock wrote:
> >
> > Looking past the obvious "why would you do that?!" question, I wonder
> > how feasible that downgrade would be? Seems like most of the standing
> > rigging would have to be resized or replaced due to differing mast
> > height or attachment points. Could you still use the same genoa? Or
> > would that also need to be resized/replaced? Speaking from ignorance
> > here... I don't know what (if any) dimensional differences there are
> > between standard and IMF rigs.
> >
> > But if it were feasible, how about we just swap? I'll take your IMF
> > rig and you can have my standard rig ;-)
> >
> > Cheers!
> > John Lock
> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > s/v Pandion - '79 Rhodes 22
> > Lake Sinclair, GA
> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> >
> >
> > On Jul 7, 2010, at 12:04, R22RumRunner at aol.com wrote:
> >> Charlie,
> >> What in the hell are you drinking anyway? Nobody in their right mind
> >> would
> >> want to replace an IMF with a standard main. What gives here???????
> >>
> >> Rummy
> >>
> >>
> >> In a message dated 7/7/2010 11:37:50 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> >> blue66corvette at hotmail.com writes:
> >>
> >>
> >> The sail is tired and it is time to replace. I am sooooo tired of
> >> fighting
> >> the IMF and have decided to go to a standard main. Has anyone done
> >> this
> >> without replacing the mast? Any suggestions ??? I could really use
> >> the
> >> advise of all you experienced Rhodes guys out there ..
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Thanks
> >>
> >> Charlie
> >>
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> Message: 15
> Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2010 19:34:35 -0700 (PDT)
> From: John Shulick <jsbudda at verizon.net>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Tired of IMF
> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
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>
> Charlie,
>
> Here is the link for the company that makes the standard mast for the
> rhodes
> 22. They should have every thing you need to do the conversion.
>
> http://www.dwyermast.com/items.asp?cat1ID=20&cat1Name=Masts&familyID=40&
>
>
> John S
>
>
> blue66corvette wrote:
> >
> >
> > The sail is tired and it is time to replace. I am sooooo tired of
> fighting
> > the IMF and have decided to go to a standard main. Has anyone done this
> > without replacing the mast? Any suggestions ??? I could really use the
> > advise of all you experienced Rhodes guys out there ..
> >
> >
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > Charlie
> >
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> Message: 16
> Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2010 19:40:21 -0700 (PDT)
> From: John Shulick <jsbudda at verizon.net>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Tired of IMF
> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
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>
>
> 2nd try
>
>
> John Shulick wrote:
> >
> > Charlie,
> >
> > Here is the link for the company that makes the standard mast for the
> > rhodes 22. They should have every thing you need to do the conversion.
> >
> http://www.dwyermast.com/items.asp?cat1ID=20&cat1Name=Masts&familyID=40&
> > ">
> http://www.dwyermast.com/items.asp?cat1ID=20&cat1Name=Masts&familyID=40&">
> >
> > John S
> >
> >
> > blue66corvette wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> The sail is tired and it is time to replace. I am sooooo tired of
> >> fighting the IMF and have decided to go to a standard main. Has anyone
> >> done this without replacing the mast? Any suggestions ??? I could
> really
> >> use the advise of all you experienced Rhodes guys out there ..
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Thanks
> >>
> >> Charlie
> >>
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> Message: 17
> Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2010 06:40:25 EDT
> From: R22RumRunner at aol.com
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Tired of IMF
> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
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>
> Ben,
> Our guest bedroom is always available, as is Rum Runner.
>
> Rummy
>
>
> In a message dated 7/7/2010 5:15:15 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> benonvelvetelvis at theskinnyonbenny.com writes:
>
> Charlie -- There's a pretty good chance that I'll have a chore for a
> relative that brings me to the Dallas area for a couple of days. Not sure
> when I'll work it in, but it would be some time between now and football
> season. I'll definitely let you know when I know that I'm going to be out
> there. Would rather fix your sail and maybe get in a little lake time
> than
> spend time with my Dallas people anyway.
>
> I'm hoping that GB does indeed have an inventory of slightly used sails; I
> may be in the position to buy one (or maybe even one and a backup). I
> blew
> a rip in the seam of my main earlier in the spring. Spent a cold, rainy
> day
> taping/sewing it back up, and then this weekend, in huge Alex-driven
> gusts,
> I pretty well shredded the seam between normal sailcloth and sunbrulla (or
> whatever the sun-proof fabric is). I don't think I can repair it now.
>
> The timing is good (or maybe coincidentally bad), because I heard on
> Monday
> that tar balls and an oil sheen have made their way to the channel where
> our
> lake lets out into the gulf. I'm docked on the East side, which is
> closest
> to the Gulf, so I'm inclined to put her on the trailer for a couple of
> weeks
> (months?/years?) anyway. I'm bidding on a job that would bring me to a
> town
> fairly close to Edenton every month, so maybe I can squeeze in some time
> to
> drop in on Stan for some shopping.
>
> Rummy -- I'm also planning a 2+ week trip around the Southeast, visiting
> various friends, lakes, and beaches. If my travels bring me close to
> Hartwell, I'll give you a call to see if you're up for polishing off a
> bottle of Mt. Gay on Rum Runner. It would be somewhere in the timeframe
> where July turns into August, but I'll let you know more when I make a
> better plan.
>
> Happy Sailing!
>
> Ben
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
> [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Mary Lou Troy
> Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 2:40 PM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Tired of IMF
>
> Good memory John!
>
> We have found that the angle of the boom does make a big difference.
> Slightly below horizontal seems to work for us. If the boom is
> horizontal or above, it gets wrinkles as it furls. In fact if feel
> any resistance to furling, we stop, let out the topping lift and then furl
> it.
>
> We do have some problems with the furling line jamming in the
> fittings at the end of the boom but never with the sail itself
> jamming except twice.
>
> Once was very early on and we got a secondary halyard wrapped in with
> it - had to cut the halyard and pull it free (nothing was on it -
> it's the one we now use for the UPS.)
>
> The second time was recently after we had gotten our new vertical
> batten main and it seems to have jammed because the fabric of the
> sail wasn't wrapped tightly enough around the furling tube. We
> refurled, pulling on the outhaul to get a tighter wrap of the sail
> and then we were able to deploy the sail without too much trouble. We
> are trying to keep a little tension on the furling line so we get a
> tight wrap - just like you would with a jib furler but too much
> tension and it won't furl. The new sail is so much crisper than the
> old sail that it has a tendency to want to wrap loosely so right now
> (we've only sailed with it a 3 or 4 times) we are watching that
> carefully as we furl. I suspect it will be better once the fabric
> gets some memory for being wrapped around the tube.
>
> Charlie, some other things occur to me.
>
> You have had this problem for a long time and say your sail is pretty
> beat up. It could be that the condition of the sail itself is causing
> part of the problem.
>
> You mention something about the sail being "too thick" coming out. I
> assume you mean because of the wrinkles which even if you drop your
> boom may be nearly permanent because you've had the problem for such
> a long time. The only other thing I can think of that would make it
> thick is if you trying to furl it too far. The sail is supposed to
> furl so that the forward edge of the suncover is just inside the
> slot. The sun cover should be mostly exposed so that you have a
> visible triangle of (suncovered) sail.
>
> An intermediate step in your dilemma might be to look for a used main
> in better condition than the one you have. I know that several people
> on the list have replaced their furling main with the new vertical
> batten sail. When we did that, we asked Stan if he wanted the sail
> and he said he had too many of them and no market. He might be
> willing to sell you one of those cheap. Might even take it in trade
> on a vertical batten sail if you get the system working and decide
> that is what you want.
>
> Heck we'd sell you our old main cheap + shipping but it's somewhat
> soft and a little baggy (no rips or tears) - Stan may have one in
> newer condition.
>
> Trying to adapt your current mast to a standard bolt rope, sail slug
> or sail track system seems to me to be a daunting task involving
> something kluged together to deal with the wide slot of the IMF mast.
> It would probably be as cheap to trade mast and rigging with someone
> including the shipping costs.
>
> Someone mentioned poor sail shape because of the IMF and the
> loosefooted main. The "poor sail shape" is strictly the result of the
> cut of the IMF main (flat so it will furl and no roach so it will
> furl) and has nothing to do with the loosefooted part. Many racing
> boats use loosefooted mains which actually give you more control over
> the shape of the sail.
>
> Hope some of this is applicable to the problem.
>
> Mary Lou
> 1991 R22 Fretless
> Rock Hall, MD
> where there is a nice breeze but it is just too darned hot to sail
> Charlie - send us some of that rain, we need it badly!
>
>
> At 02:37 PM 7/7/2010, you wrote:
> >Charlie,
> >
> >You might try some searches in the list archives because I know this
> >topic has been discussed before. You are not alone in having a
> >struggle with IMF furling from time to time. However, it seems that
> >most have overcome the problems with minor changes in procedure and
> >setup, or proper lubrication, etc.
> >
> >For example, I remember one response (Mary Lou maybe?) that said the
> >angle of the boom to the mast when operating the furler was fairly
> >critical to getting a smooth furl. Too low or too high and the sail
> >bunches up in the mast? Going from memory here, so I may not have the
> >details right...
> >
> >Cheers!
> >John Lock
> >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> >s/v Pandion - '79 Rhodes 22
> >Lake Sinclair, GA
> >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> >
> >
> >On Jul 7, 2010, at 13:58, Charles Nieman wrote:
> > > Rummy
> > >
> > > Best question I have heard asked of me .... I "found" this forum in
> > > October of 07, but didn't think to ask all his experience until
> > > today .... guess I am just a SLOOOOOOOOW learner .... that might
> > > explain why I have been fighting this systenm for so long ......
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Located in Dallas, Texas .... don't see very many Rhodes out
> > > here .... I have lubricated parts ... tried to rig the outhaul the
> > > way Stan describes and even tried some of the approaches noted in
> > > these responses (and don't get me wrong ... I REALLY appreciate to
> > > massive response I am getting here) .... nothing seems to help...the
> > > sail ALWAYS folds when pulling in and is too thick when coming
> > > out .....
> > >
> > >> From: R22RumRunner at aol.com
> > >> Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2010 13:02:51 -0400
> > >> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> > >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Tired of IMF
> > >>
> > >> Charlie,
> > >> Yes, you are the only person on this planet that has problems with
> > >> your
> > >> IMF. Where are you located? Perhaps a knowledgeable Rhodie would be
> > >> willing
> > >> to help figure out your problem? It could be a physical/mechanical
> > >> problem
> > >> or something as simple as a lack of understanding as to how it
> > >> actually
> > >> works.
> > >> Rest assured you will get many people with standard sails wishing
> > >> to trade
> > >> with you. DO NOT DO IT. Stan has a new IMF sail design which is
> > >> manufactured by Doyle that adds a batten to the sail and a little
> > >> more sail cloth.
> > >> It's a wonderful upgrade.
> > >> One last question? Why did it take you fifteen years to find this
> > >> forum to
> > >> fix your problem?
> > >>
> > >> Rummy
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> In a message dated 7/7/2010 12:31:01 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> > >> blue66corvette at hotmail.com writes:
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Apparently I am the only one in the world that has trouble with the
> > >> IMF
> > >> .... I have FOUGHT this thing for 15 years ,.... the sail jambs
> > >> when coming
> > >> out, it takes all of my 235 pounds to pull it in, I have taken the
> > >> mast
> > >> apart two or three times trying to understand and get it to
> > >> work .... currently
> > >> the edge of the sail has been worn by the mast and has torn along
> > >> the seam
> > >> .... I am apparently pretty stupid for not knowing how to use this,
> > >> but it
> > >> seems to me that sooner or later one decides to stop banging your
> > >> head
> > >> against the wall just to see if the headache stops.... I wopuld be
> > >> glad to
> > >> listen to advise on how to make this work, but I am at the point
> > >> that part of
> > >> my problem is the duct tape holding the sail together, I HAVE to
> > >> replace
> > >> the sail, and I can't see paying $800 for a new sail that is going
> > >> to keep
> > >> giving me headaches.....
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Charlie
> > >>
> > >> _________________________________________________________________
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> Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2010 08:36:11 -0400 (EDT)
> From: pdgrand at nospam.wmis.net
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Hull color
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> Geoff,
>
> No, I haven't. Thanks for the tip. I'll try it this spring. If it
> works, I'd get another dark hull in a heartbeat. Otherwise, I'd probably
> switch to white.
>
> Thanks,
> Paul
>
> > Paul: Have you tried this....
> >
> >
> http://www.303products.com/shop303/index.cfm/category/109/restoring-gelcoat-fiberglass.cfm
> >
> > I use this stuff on the vinyl seats of my pontoon boat (seats are off
> > white
> > and maroon). The boat is 12 year old and when people come aboard they
> > think
> > it's new. This is an expensive product but in my opinion it is worth it.
> > Geoff
> >
> > On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 3:42 PM, <pdgrand at nospam.wmis.net> wrote:
> >
> >> Geoff,
> >>
> >> If you look around, you will see that most sailboats have white hulls.
> >> There is a reason for that. I bought mine brand new from Stan in 1999
> >> with a beautiful dark green hull. I believe it's the first green one he
> >> made. I loved it. It was beautiful. I received a lot of positive
> >> comments on it. I waxed it every spring. I put it in mid to late May
> >> and
> >> pull it out late September to early October. The rest of the time it is
> >> protected inside my barn. I live in Michigan, so the sun isn't nearly
> >> as
> >> strong here as it is further south. About four years ago I noticed that
> >> the hull was starting to fade. So, the color lasted about six or seven
> >> years before that happened. Not sure what, if anything, I could have
> >> done
> >> differently to prevent that. I've also tried various products to try to
> >> restore it to no avail so far. I'm afraid the only thing I can do is to
> >> eventually have it painted.
> >>
> >> Paul
> >>
> >> > Hi everybody. I'm trying to decide on a hull color. I've read lots of
> >> info
> >> > regarding dark colors generating more heat, oxidizing faster than
> >> white
> >> > hulls, etc. I'd be doing most of my sailing in the Alabama Gulf
> >> > Shores/Florida Panhandle area. Anyone have any comments about darker
> >> > colors
> >> > in this environment? If you have a blue/black/red/green hull, do you
> >> have
> >> > any regrets? My boat will be kept in a slip for about 6 months per
> >> year
> >> > (Sept-Oct; Jan-April) and then in covered storage for the other
> >> months.
> >> >
> >> > Thanks, Geoff
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> Message: 19
> Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2010 08:54:05 -0400
> From: Charles Nieman <blue66corvette at hotmail.com>
> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Tired of IMF
> To: <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
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>
> It's becoming clearer to me now ......
>
>
>
> Thanks to all for the GREAT input and convincing that I should try one more
> time to get this thing to work .... I called Stan this morning to get new
> bearings etc...talked with him about replacing the sail (cause part of the
> problem is the duct tape holding the sail together, and I already knew
> that); when I pointed out to Stan that my furling tube did not have a groove
> for the sail to attach to but used a system of a sleeve in the luff of the
> sail to slide the tube into, Stan responded that I would have to get a new
> tube because all of the bearings etc are designed to attach to the newer
> tubes with the groove for the sail rope to feed into ...... frieght from NC
> to Dallas is going to be the real problem ......
>
>
>
> But at least I am begining to really understand what my problem is ....
>
>
>
> Charlie
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