[Rhodes22-list] hull color

[pdgrand at nospam.wmis.net]

Hi Ken,

I work in St. Joseph, live in Buchanan (Township - Wine country) & sail
out of New Buffalo.

Do you keep your boat on the trailer or in the water?

Paul

> Paul
> Where in Michigan are you?
> Ken in Portage Mi
> (My I phone locked up when I tried to reply so this may be redundant)
>
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>>   1. Re: Hull color (KUHN, LELAND)
>>   2. $50 Mast raising (ejor2 at aol.com)
>>   3. Re: Tired of IMF (KUHN, LELAND)
>>   4. Re: Tired of IMF (Mary Lou Troy)
>>   5. Re: Hull color (pdgrand at nospam.wmis.net)
>>   6. Re: Tired of IMF (David Culp)
>>   7. Re: Tired of IMF (pdgrand at nospam.wmis.net)
>>   8. Re: Tired of IMF (Charles Nieman)
>>   9. Re: Tired of IMF (Ben Schultz)
>>  10. Re: Tired of IMF (Rhodes Net)
>>  11. Re: Tired of IMF (Jim Connolly)
>>  12. Re: Hull color (Geoff Farrell)
>>  13. Re: Tired of IMF (R22RumRunner at aol.com)
>>  14. Re: Tired of IMF (John Shulick)
>>  15. Re: Tired of IMF (John Shulick)
>>  16. Re: Tired of IMF (John Shulick)
>>  17. Re: Tired of IMF (R22RumRunner at aol.com)
>>  18. Re: Hull color (pdgrand at nospam.wmis.net)
>>  19. Tired of IMF (Charles Nieman)
>>
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>> Message: 1
>> Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2010 15:23:55 -0400
>> From: "KUHN, LELAND" <LKUHN at cnmc.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Hull color
>> To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
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>> Caesar,
>>
>> It's a C&C and I think it's about 35'.  It's a true racer-cruiser; fast
>> boat first with nice accommodations second.  It's all about
>> compromises--the
>> Rhodes' cockpit is more comfortable (and larger) and we're a "little"
>> less
>> expensive.
>>
>> The captain is one of the most experienced sailors I know.  He sailed
>> across the Atlantic and throughout the Mediterranean with his wife and
>> son
>> for two years when his son was a toddler.
>>
>> Here are some comments he had about our boats:
>>
>> "Bigger and more expensive is not always better.  I have told many
>> people
>> about the Rhodes after seeing you sail it.  I think it looks and sails
>> excellent.  After my trip to the Caribbean in the CC I was tempted to
>> write
>> an article named back to basics. However I am not a writer so it will
>> most
>> likely not happen.  The point of the story is that I feel many sailors
>> are
>> missing out of the enjoyment due to the size of boat and equipment they
>> install.  Before I left I installed a wind vane which forced me to be
>> better
>> at trimming the sails.  This meant I ended up sailing more and enjoying
>> it.
>>  I did not have any concerns about batteries or generators cooling etc.
>>  Also I did not have the luxury to just motor as I only carried 20
>> gallons
>> of fuel.  Just shows you that these people on their "hi tek" boats are
>> not
>> having any more fun but most likely less.   Ever notice that a lot of
>> these
>> boats never sail?"
>>
>> Lee
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org [mailto:
>> rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Caesar Paul
>> Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 1:20 PM
>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Hull color
>>
>> Hi Leland.
>>
>> What make of boat is that?? Are you the sailor / owner?? Could it be the
>> Rhodes
>> 25 that Stan has pending?
>>
>> Caesar
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>> From: Leland <LKUHN at cnmc.org>
>> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
>> Sent: Wed, July 7, 2010 6:07:51 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Hull color
>>
>>
>>
>> Geoff,
>>
>> Conventional wisdom and West Marine say you should wax your hull.? I
>> don't
>> think a dark hull will oxidize faster than a white one but it will
>> probably
>> be more noticeable.
>>
>> The owner's manual for my 2007 Toyota says I don't need to wax the car.
>> Don't know if it's the paint or clearcoat but apparently something has
>> improved.
>>
>> Stan may be using some type of new fangled paint because I haven't waxed
>> my
>> boat yet (2004 paint job) and so far it hasn't oxidized.
>>
>> I do know that red boats are faster.
>>
>> http://old.nabble.com/file/p29095893/7-4-19%2B001.jpg 7-4-19+001.jpg
>> http://old.nabble.com/file/p29095893/7-4-19%2B002.jpg 7-4-19+002.jpg
>> http://old.nabble.com/file/p29095893/7-4-19%2B003.jpg 7-4-19+003.jpg
>>
>> Good luck!
>>
>> Lee
>> 1986 Rhodes22? AT EASE
>> Kent Island, MD
>>
>> _________________________________
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi everybody. I'm trying to decide on a hull color. I've read lots of
>> info
>> regarding dark colors generating more heat, oxidizing faster than white
>> hulls, etc. I'd be doing most of my sailing in the Alabama Gulf
>> Shores/Florida Panhandle area. Anyone have any comments about darker
>> colors
>> in this environment? If you have a blue/black/red/green hull, do you
>> have
>> any regrets? My boat will be kept in a slip for about 6 months per year
>> (Sept-Oct; Jan-April) and then in covered storage for the other months.
>>
>> Thanks, Geoff
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>> Date: Wed, 07 Jul 2010 15:25:46 -0400
>> From: ejor2 at aol.com
>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] $50 Mast raising
>> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
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>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> I said I would post an update once I had tried this mast raising system
>> out. Well, it worked better than I could have hoped for and all for
>> about
>> $50. I've attached the directions again. The first time I lowered the
>> mast,
>> I had a couple of guys that were hanging out on the dock stand by just
>> in
>> case. Went down so smooth, they asked if I had patented this thing! I
>> didn't
>> bother them again when it was time to raise it and once again up she
>> went,
>> all by myself. I did have to stop part way up to untangle the stays, it
>> swayed a little as a wave went by, but I was never woried about it going
>> sideways. What a pleasure!!
>>
>> Eric J.
>> Time Out
>>
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>> Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2010 15:28:33 -0400
>> From: "KUHN, LELAND" <LKUHN at cnmc.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Tired of IMF
>> To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
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>> Jim,
>>
>> There might be something wrong with your IMF.
>>
>> Whenever my sail jams it's always user-error.  If I keep tension on the
>> outhaul it always furls into the mast smoothly no matter where the boom
>> is, although it helps to have the boom slightly lower than horizontal
>> and slightly to starboard.
>>
>> Lee
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
>> [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of
>> jimtracyjohnston at centurytel.net
>> Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 1:19 PM
>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Tired of IMF
>>
>> Charlie, Every year, including this year, I ponder the same action you
>> are considering, replace the IMF. My IMF system jams frequently when I
>> try to reduce or furl in the sail. I inspect the nylon (or plastic?)
>> disc at the top and bottom of the foil. I have tried different
>> lubricants at both the top and bottom of the mast. The foil is
>> straight, there are no dents or bands in the mast. The sail groove in
>> the mast is smooth on all edges. I realize there can be little
>> resistance on the sheets and the boom must hold the sail in alignment
>> with the mast groove.  When the main will NOT retract it flaps around
>> until the boom is released from the traveler and the topping lift pulls
>> the boom up parallel with the mast. I would like to look into an boom
>> furling system. This will require a halyard for the head of the main
>> sail. This might also allow better mail sail shape.  The current loose
>> footed main sail with IMF compromises optimum sail shape. I'm all ears
>> for comments on IMF vs inner-boom furling. Jim J
>>
>> Quoting Bob Keller <r22yankeeclipper at hotmail.com>:
>> >
>> > John,
>> >
>> > That actually makes sense...
>> >
>> > BK
>> >
>> > > From: jlock at relevantarts.com
>> > > To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
>> > > Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2010 12:22:59 -0400
>> > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Tired of IMF
>> > >
>> > > Looking past the obvious "why would you do that?!" question, I
>> wonder
>> > > how feasible that downgrade would be? Seems like most of the
>> standing
>> > > rigging would have to be resized or replaced due to differing mast
>> > > height or attachment points. Could you still use the same genoa? Or
>> > > would that also need to be resized/replaced? Speaking from ignorance
>> > > here... I don't know what (if any) dimensional differences there are
>> > > between standard and IMF rigs.
>> > >
>> > > But if it were feasible, how about we just swap? I'll take your IMF
>> > > rig and you can have my standard rig ;-)
>> > >
>> > > Cheers!
>> > > John Lock
>> > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>> > > s/v Pandion - '79 Rhodes 22
>> > > Lake Sinclair, GA
>> > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > On Jul 7, 2010, at 12:04, R22RumRunner at aol.com wrote:
>> > > > Charlie,
>> > > > What in the hell are you drinking anyway? Nobody in their right
>> mind
>> > > > would
>> > > > want to replace an IMF with a standard main. What gives
>> here???????
>> > > >
>> > > > Rummy
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > In a message dated 7/7/2010 11:37:50 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
>> > > > blue66corvette at hotmail.com writes:
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > The sail is tired and it is time to replace. I am sooooo tired of
>> > > > fighting
>> > > > the IMF and have decided to go to a standard main. Has anyone done
>> > > > this
>> > > > without replacing the mast? Any suggestions ??? I could really use
>> > > > the
>> > > > advise of all you experienced Rhodes guys out there ..
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > Thanks
>> > > >
>> > > > Charlie
>> > > >
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>> Date: Wed, 07 Jul 2010 15:40:02 -0400
>> From: Mary Lou Troy <mtroy at atlanticbb.net>
>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Tired of IMF
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>> Good memory John!
>>
>> We have found that the angle of the boom does make a big difference.
>> Slightly below horizontal seems to work for us. If the boom is
>> horizontal or above, it gets wrinkles as it furls. In fact if  feel
>> any resistance to furling, we stop, let out the topping lift and then
>> furl
>> it.
>>
>> We do have some problems with the furling line jamming in the
>> fittings at the end of the boom but never with the sail itself
>> jamming except twice.
>>
>> Once was very early on and we got a secondary halyard wrapped in with
>> it - had to cut the halyard and pull it free (nothing was on it -
>> it's the one we now use for the UPS.)
>>
>> The second time was recently after we had gotten our new vertical
>> batten main and it seems to have jammed because the fabric of the
>> sail wasn't wrapped tightly enough around the furling tube. We
>> refurled, pulling on the outhaul to get a tighter wrap of the sail
>> and then we were able to deploy the sail without too much trouble. We
>> are trying to keep a little tension on the furling line so we get a
>> tight wrap - just like you would with a jib furler but too much
>> tension and it won't furl. The new sail is so much crisper than the
>> old sail that it has a tendency to want to wrap loosely so right now
>> (we've only sailed with it a 3 or 4 times) we are watching that
>> carefully as we furl. I suspect it will be better once the fabric
>> gets some memory for being wrapped around the tube.
>>
>> Charlie, some other things occur to me.
>>
>> You have had this problem for a long time and say your sail is pretty
>> beat up. It could be that the condition of the sail itself is causing
>> part of the problem.
>>
>> You mention something about the sail being "too thick" coming out. I
>> assume you mean because of the wrinkles which even if you drop your
>> boom may be nearly permanent because you've had the problem for such
>> a long time. The only other thing I can think of that would make it
>> thick is if you trying to furl it too far. The sail is supposed to
>> furl so that the forward edge of the suncover is just inside the
>> slot. The sun  cover should be mostly exposed so that you have a
>> visible triangle of (suncovered) sail.
>>
>> An intermediate step in your dilemma might be to look for a used main
>> in better condition than the one you have. I know that several people
>> on the list have replaced their furling main with the new vertical
>> batten sail. When we did that, we asked Stan if he wanted the sail
>> and he said he had too many of them and no market. He might be
>> willing to sell you one of those cheap. Might even take it in trade
>> on a vertical batten sail if you get the system working and decide
>> that is what you want.
>>
>> Heck we'd sell you our old main cheap + shipping but it's somewhat
>> soft and a little baggy (no rips or tears) - Stan may have one in
>> newer condition.
>>
>> Trying to adapt your current mast to a standard bolt rope, sail slug
>> or sail track system seems to me to be a daunting task involving
>> something kluged together to deal with the wide slot of the IMF mast.
>> It would probably be as cheap to trade mast and rigging with someone
>> including the shipping costs.
>>
>> Someone mentioned poor sail shape because of the IMF and the
>> loosefooted main. The "poor sail shape" is strictly the result of the
>> cut of the IMF main (flat so it will furl and no roach so it will
>> furl) and has nothing to do with the loosefooted part. Many racing
>> boats use loosefooted mains which actually give you more control over
>> the shape of the sail.
>>
>> Hope some of this is applicable to the problem.
>>
>> Mary Lou
>> 1991 R22 Fretless
>> Rock Hall, MD
>> where there is a nice breeze but it is just too darned hot to sail
>> Charlie - send us some of that rain, we need it badly!
>>
>>
>> At 02:37 PM 7/7/2010, you wrote:
>> >Charlie,
>> >
>> >You might try some searches in the list  archives because I know this
>> >topic has been discussed before.  You are not alone in having a
>> >struggle with IMF furling from time to time.  However, it seems that
>> >most have overcome the problems with minor changes in procedure and
>> >setup, or proper lubrication, etc.
>> >
>> >For example, I remember one response (Mary Lou maybe?) that said the
>> >angle of the boom to the mast when operating the furler was fairly
>> >critical to getting a smooth furl.  Too low or too high and the sail
>> >bunches up in the mast?  Going from memory here, so I may not have the
>> >details right...
>> >
>> >Cheers!
>> >John Lock
>> >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>> >s/v Pandion - '79 Rhodes 22
>> >Lake Sinclair, GA
>> >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>> >
>> >
>> >On Jul 7, 2010, at 13:58, Charles Nieman wrote:
>> > > Rummy
>> > >
>> > > Best question I have heard asked of me .... I "found" this forum in
>> > > October of 07, but didn't think to ask all his experience until
>> > > today .... guess I am just a SLOOOOOOOOW learner .... that might
>> > > explain why I have been fighting this systenm for so long ......
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Located in Dallas, Texas .... don't see very many Rhodes out
>> > > here .... I have lubricated parts ... tried to rig the outhaul the
>> > > way Stan describes and even tried some of the approaches noted in
>> > > these responses (and don't get me wrong ... I REALLY appreciate to
>> > > massive response I am getting here) .... nothing seems to help...the
>> > > sail ALWAYS folds when pulling in and is too thick when coming
>> > > out  .....
>> > >
>> > >> From: R22RumRunner at aol.com
>> > >> Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2010 13:02:51 -0400
>> > >> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
>> > >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Tired of IMF
>> > >>
>> > >> Charlie,
>> > >> Yes, you are the only person on this planet that has problems with
>> > >> your
>> > >> IMF. Where are you located? Perhaps a knowledgeable Rhodie would be
>> > >> willing
>> > >> to help figure out your problem? It could be a physical/mechanical
>> > >> problem
>> > >> or something as simple as a lack of understanding as to how it
>> > >> actually
>> > >> works.
>> > >> Rest assured you will get many people with standard sails wishing
>> > >> to trade
>> > >> with you. DO NOT DO IT. Stan has a new IMF sail design which is
>> > >> manufactured by Doyle that adds a batten to the sail and a little
>> > >> more sail cloth.
>> > >> It's a wonderful upgrade.
>> > >> One last question? Why did it take you fifteen years to find this
>> > >> forum to
>> > >> fix your problem?
>> > >>
>> > >> Rummy
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >> In a message dated 7/7/2010 12:31:01 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
>> > >> blue66corvette at hotmail.com writes:
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >> Apparently I am the only one in the world that has trouble with the
>> > >> IMF
>> > >> .... I have FOUGHT this thing for 15 years ,.... the sail jambs
>> > >> when coming
>> > >> out, it takes all of my 235 pounds to pull it in, I have taken the
>> > >> mast
>> > >> apart two or three times trying to understand and get it to
>> > >> work .... currently
>> > >> the edge of the sail has been worn by the mast and has torn along
>> > >> the seam
>> > >> .... I am apparently pretty stupid for not knowing how to use this,
>> > >> but it
>> > >> seems to me that sooner or later one decides to stop banging your
>> > >> head
>> > >> against the wall just to see if the headache stops.... I wopuld be
>> > >> glad to
>> > >> listen to advise on how to make this work, but I am at the point
>> > >> that part of
>> > >> my problem is the duct tape holding the sail together, I HAVE to
>> > >> replace
>> > >> the sail, and I can't see paying $800 for a new sail that is going
>> > >> to keep
>> > >> giving me headaches.....
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >> Charlie
>> > >>
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>> From: pdgrand at nospam.wmis.net
>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Hull color
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>> Geoff,
>>
>> If you look around, you will see that most sailboats have white hulls.
>> There is a reason for that.  I bought mine brand new from Stan in 1999
>> with a beautiful dark green hull.  I believe it's the first green one he
>> made.  I loved it.  It was beautiful.  I received a lot of positive
>> comments on it.  I waxed it every spring.  I put it in mid to late May
>> and
>> pull it out late September to early October.  The rest of the time it is
>> protected inside my barn.  I live in Michigan, so the sun isn't nearly
>> as
>> strong here as it is further south.  About four years ago I noticed that
>> the hull was starting to fade.  So, the color lasted about six or seven
>> years before that happened.  Not sure what, if anything, I could have
>> done
>> differently to prevent that.  I've also tried various products to try to
>> restore it to no avail so far.  I'm afraid the only thing I can do is to
>> eventually have it painted.
>>
>> Paul
>>
>> > Hi everybody. I'm trying to decide on a hull color. I've read lots of
>> info
>> > regarding dark colors generating more heat, oxidizing faster than
>> white
>> > hulls, etc. I'd be doing most of my sailing in the Alabama Gulf
>> > Shores/Florida Panhandle area. Anyone have any comments about darker
>> > colors
>> > in this environment? If you have a blue/black/red/green hull, do you
>> have
>> > any regrets? My boat will be kept in a slip for about 6 months per
>> year
>> > (Sept-Oct; Jan-April) and then in covered storage for the other
>> months.
>> >
>> > Thanks, Geoff
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>> Message: 6
>> Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2010 15:51:58 -0500
>> From: David Culp <dculp at hsbtx.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Tired of IMF
>> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
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>> Charlie:
>>
>> I am about 2.5 hrs south of you in Horseshoe Bay.  I have a 1998 with
>> the
>> IMF and the new battened main.  I have taken the thing apart several
>> times
>> since owning the boat to inspect and lubricate it.  It's a very simple
>> system and shouldn't be giving you these problems.  Take some really
>> good
>> pictures when you can and I will bet that barring damage to something
>> that
>> it can be made to work.  Once you get it working, I think you will like
>> it,
>> especially with the new battened main.  The first question that comes to
>> mind is.... Is there anyway that the foil tube inside the mast could be
>> kinked in anyway?  Especially with the new bigger battened main, there
>> is
>> no
>> room left inside the mast enclosure and everything must be straight.
>> The
>> other thing is the furler tube rigging could be wrapped around something
>> is
>> shouldn't.  I can't imagine the kind of tension you are having to use, I
>> can
>> furl and unfurl mine with one hand as long as the boat is into the wind
>> and
>> the boom is set slightly to starboard.
>>
>> David Culp
>>
>>
>> Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2010 14:36:14 -0400
>> From: Charles Nieman <blue66corvette at hotmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Tired of IMF
>> To: <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> Message-ID: <COL120-W53A38923A105ACD42DC41D9B30 at phx.gbl>
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>>
>>
>> I will take pictures ... but you'll have to wait a couple days .... it's
>> starting to rain again and forcasted for most of the rest of the week
>> ........
>>
>>
>>
>> Yeah, I'm bragging now
>>
>>
>>
>> Charlie
>>
>> Dallas, Texas
>>
>> > From: R22RumRunner at aol.com
>> > Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2010 14:12:49 -0400
>> > To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
>> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Tired of IMF
>> >
>> > Charlie,
>> > I'm in SC and can't really hop in the car and come down to see what
>> you
>> > have. If you could take some detailed digital photos, we might be able
>> to
>> help
>> > you. Perhaps there is a lurker Rhodie near you that would be willing
>> to
>> > help. Ben is probably the closest I know of and he's in Louisiana.
>> > Lot's of photos showing your setup would really help. Hang in there.
>> We'll
>> > get this fixed. Trust me.
>> >
>> > Rummy
>> >
>> >
>> > In a message dated 7/7/2010 2:00:59 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
>> > blue66corvette at hotmail.com writes:
>> >
>> >
>> > Rummy
>> >
>> > Best question I have heard asked of me .... I "found" this forum in
>> > October of 07, but didn't think to ask all his experience until today
>> ....
>> guess
>> > I am just a SLOOOOOOOOW learner .... that might explain why I have
>> been
>> > fighting this systenm for so long ......
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Located in Dallas, Texas .... don't see very many Rhodes out here ....
>> I
>> > have lubricated parts ... tried to rig the outhaul the way Stan
>> describes
>> > and even tried some of the approaches noted in these responses (and
>> don't
>> get
>> > me wrong ... I REALLY appreciate to massive response I am getting
>> here)
>> > .... nothing seems to help...the sail ALWAYS folds when pulling in and
>> is
>> too
>> > thick when coming out .....
>> >
>> > > From: R22RumRunner at aol.com
>> > > Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2010 13:02:51 -0400
>> > > To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
>> > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Tired of IMF
>> > >
>> > > Charlie,
>> > > Yes, you are the only person on this planet that has problems with
>> your
>> > > IMF. Where are you located? Perhaps a knowledgeable Rhodie would be
>> > willing
>> > > to help figure out your problem? It could be a physical/mechanical
>> > problem
>> > > or something as simple as a lack of understanding as to how it
>> actually
>> > > works.
>> > > Rest assured you will get many people with standard sails wishing to
>> > trade
>> > > with you. DO NOT DO IT. Stan has a new IMF sail design which is
>> > > manufactured by Doyle that adds a batten to the sail and a little
>> more
>> > sail cloth.
>> > > It's a wonderful upgrade.
>> > > One last question? Why did it take you fifteen years to find this
>> forum
>> > to
>> > > fix your problem?
>> > >
>> > > Rummy
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > In a message dated 7/7/2010 12:31:01 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
>> > > blue66corvette at hotmail.com writes:
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Apparently I am the only one in the world that has trouble with the
>> IMF
>> > > .... I have FOUGHT this thing for 15 years ,.... the sail jambs when
>> > coming
>> > > out, it takes all of my 235 pounds to pull it in, I have taken the
>> mast
>> > > apart two or three times trying to understand and get it to work
>> ....
>> > currently
>> > > the edge of the sail has been worn by the mast and has torn along
>> the
>> > seam
>> > > .... I am apparently pretty stupid for not knowing how to use this,
>> but
>> > it
>> > > seems to me that sooner or later one decides to stop banging your
>> head
>> > > against the wall just to see if the headache stops.... I wopuld be
>> glad
>> > to
>> > > listen to advise on how to make this work, but I am at the point
>> that
>> > part of
>> > > my problem is the duct tape holding the sail together, I HAVE to
>> replace
>> > > the sail, and I can't see paying $800 for a new sail that is going
>> to
>> > keep
>> > > giving me headaches.....
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Charlie
>> > >
>> > > _________________________________________________________________
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>> Message: 7
>> Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2010 16:57:07 -0400 (EDT)
>> From: pdgrand at nospam.wmis.net
>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Tired of IMF
>> To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
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>>
>> Charlie,
>>
>> This may be an over-simplification because you might also have something
>> else wrong with your system.  However, over time sails lose their shape
>> and become "baggy".  Mine is about 11 years old now and I've noticed a
>> little more difficulty furling and unfurling.  The solution may be as
>> simple as you just need a new sail (which you said you needed anyway).
>> Once you get a new sail you may find that your problem is solved.
>>
>> Paul
>> >
>> > The sail is tired and it is time to replace. I am sooooo tired of
>> fighting
>> > the IMF and have decided to go to a standard main. Has anyone done
>> this
>> > without replacing the mast?  Any suggestions ??? I could really use
>> the
>> > advise of all you experienced Rhodes guys out there ..
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Thanks
>> >
>> > Charlie
>> >
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>> Message: 8
>> Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2010 17:03:41 -0400
>> From: Charles Nieman <blue66corvette at hotmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Tired of IMF
>> To: <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> Message-ID: <COL120-W22BD6B5CA1E1F8450C8D46D9B30 at phx.gbl>
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>>
>>
>> David
>>
>> I must drive much slower than you cause that trip takes me 3 1/2 hours
>> ..... but still that is very close,,,,,plus Mother-in-law lives in
>> Temple
>> ..... maybe next time I am that way I could come out and you could show
>> me
>> how to make this thing work????
>>
>>
>>
>> I would buy you a beer ..... maybe even a steak to wash it down with
>> ....
>>
>>
>>
>> Charlie
>>
>> > Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2010 15:51:58 -0500
>> > From: dculp at hsbtx.com
>> > To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
>> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Tired of IMF
>> >
>> > Charlie:
>> >
>> > I am about 2.5 hrs south of you in Horseshoe Bay. I have a 1998 with
>> the
>> > IMF and the new battened main. I have taken the thing apart several
>> times
>> > since owning the boat to inspect and lubricate it. It's a very simple
>> > system and shouldn't be giving you these problems. Take some really
>> good
>> > pictures when you can and I will bet that barring damage to something
>> that
>> > it can be made to work. Once you get it working, I think you will like
>> it,
>> > especially with the new battened main. The first question that comes
>> to
>> > mind is.... Is there anyway that the foil tube inside the mast could
>> be
>> > kinked in anyway? Especially with the new bigger battened main, there
>> is
>> no
>> > room left inside the mast enclosure and everything must be straight.
>> The
>> > other thing is the furler tube rigging could be wrapped around
>> something
>> is
>> > shouldn't. I can't imagine the kind of tension you are having to use,
>> I
>> can
>> > furl and unfurl mine with one hand as long as the boat is into the
>> wind
>> and
>> > the boom is set slightly to starboard.
>> >
>> > David Culp
>> >
>> >
>> > Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2010 14:36:14 -0400
>> > From: Charles Nieman <blue66corvette at hotmail.com>
>> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Tired of IMF
>> > To: <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> > Message-ID: <COL120-W53A38923A105ACD42DC41D9B30 at phx.gbl>
>> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>> >
>> >
>> > I will take pictures ... but you'll have to wait a couple days ....
>> it's
>> > starting to rain again and forcasted for most of the rest of the week
>> > ........
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Yeah, I'm bragging now
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Charlie
>> >
>> > Dallas, Texas
>> >
>> > > From: R22RumRunner at aol.com
>> > > Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2010 14:12:49 -0400
>> > > To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
>> > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Tired of IMF
>> > >
>> > > Charlie,
>> > > I'm in SC and can't really hop in the car and come down to see what
>> you
>> > > have. If you could take some detailed digital photos, we might be
>> able
>> to
>> > help
>> > > you. Perhaps there is a lurker Rhodie near you that would be willing
>> to
>> > > help. Ben is probably the closest I know of and he's in Louisiana.
>> > > Lot's of photos showing your setup would really help. Hang in there.
>> We'll
>> > > get this fixed. Trust me.
>> > >
>> > > Rummy
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > In a message dated 7/7/2010 2:00:59 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
>> > > blue66corvette at hotmail.com writes:
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Rummy
>> > >
>> > > Best question I have heard asked of me .... I "found" this forum in
>> > > October of 07, but didn't think to ask all his experience until
>> today
>> ....
>> > guess
>> > > I am just a SLOOOOOOOOW learner .... that might explain why I have
>> been
>> > > fighting this systenm for so long ......
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Located in Dallas, Texas .... don't see very many Rhodes out here
>> ....
>> I
>> > > have lubricated parts ... tried to rig the outhaul the way Stan
>> describes
>> > > and even tried some of the approaches noted in these responses (and
>> don't
>> > get
>> > > me wrong ... I REALLY appreciate to massive response I am getting
>> here)
>> > > .... nothing seems to help...the sail ALWAYS folds when pulling in
>> and
>> is
>> > too
>> > > thick when coming out .....
>> > >
>> > > > From: R22RumRunner at aol.com
>> > > > Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2010 13:02:51 -0400
>> > > > To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
>> > > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Tired of IMF
>> > > >
>> > > > Charlie,
>> > > > Yes, you are the only person on this planet that has problems with
>> your
>> > > > IMF. Where are you located? Perhaps a knowledgeable Rhodie would
>> be
>> > > willing
>> > > > to help figure out your problem? It could be a physical/mechanical
>> > > problem
>> > > > or something as simple as a lack of understanding as to how it
>> actually
>> > > > works.
>> > > > Rest assured you will get many people with standard sails wishing
>> to
>> > > trade
>> > > > with you. DO NOT DO IT. Stan has a new IMF sail design which is
>> > > > manufactured by Doyle that adds a batten to the sail and a little
>> more
>> > > sail cloth.
>> > > > It's a wonderful upgrade.
>> > > > One last question? Why did it take you fifteen years to find this
>> forum
>> > > to
>> > > > fix your problem?
>> > > >
>> > > > Rummy
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > In a message dated 7/7/2010 12:31:01 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
>> > > > blue66corvette at hotmail.com writes:
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > Apparently I am the only one in the world that has trouble with
>> the
>> IMF
>> > > > .... I have FOUGHT this thing for 15 years ,.... the sail jambs
>> when
>> > > coming
>> > > > out, it takes all of my 235 pounds to pull it in, I have taken the
>> mast
>> > > > apart two or three times trying to understand and get it to work
>> ....
>> > > currently
>> > > > the edge of the sail has been worn by the mast and has torn along
>> the
>> > > seam
>> > > > .... I am apparently pretty stupid for not knowing how to use
>> this,
>> but
>> > > it
>> > > > seems to me that sooner or later one decides to stop banging your
>> head
>> > > > against the wall just to see if the headache stops.... I wopuld be
>> glad
>> > > to
>> > > > listen to advise on how to make this work, but I am at the point
>> that
>> > > part of
>> > > > my problem is the duct tape holding the sail together, I HAVE to
>> replace
>> > > > the sail, and I can't see paying $800 for a new sail that is going
>> to
>> > > keep
>> > > > giving me headaches.....
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > Charlie
>> > > >
>> > > > _________________________________________________________________
>> > > > The New Busy think 9 to 5 is a cute idea. Combine multiple
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>> > > with
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>> Message: 9
>> Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2010 16:14:47 -0500
>> From: "Ben Schultz" <benonvelvetelvis at theskinnyonbenny.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Tired of IMF
>> To: "'The Rhodes 22 Email List'" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
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>> Charlie -- There's a pretty good chance that I'll have a chore for a
>> relative that brings me to the Dallas area for a couple of days.  Not
>> sure
>> when I'll work it in, but it would be some time between now and football
>> season.  I'll definitely let you know when I know that I'm going to be
>> out
>> there.  Would rather fix your sail and maybe get in a little lake time
>> than
>> spend time with my Dallas people anyway.
>>
>> I'm hoping that GB does indeed have an inventory of slightly used sails;
>> I
>> may be in the position to buy one (or maybe even one and a backup).  I
>> blew
>> a rip in the seam of my main earlier in the spring.  Spent a cold, rainy
>> day
>> taping/sewing it back up, and then this weekend, in huge Alex-driven
>> gusts,
>> I pretty well shredded the seam between normal sailcloth and sunbrulla
>> (or
>> whatever the sun-proof fabric is).  I don't think I can repair it now.
>>
>> The timing is good (or maybe coincidentally bad), because I heard on
>> Monday
>> that tar balls and an oil sheen have made their way to the channel where
>> our
>> lake lets out into the gulf.  I'm docked on the East side, which is
>> closest
>> to the Gulf, so I'm inclined to put her on the trailer for a couple of
>> weeks
>> (months?/years?) anyway.  I'm bidding on a job that would bring me to a
>> town
>> fairly close to Edenton every month, so maybe I can squeeze in some time
>> to
>> drop in on Stan for some shopping.
>>
>> Rummy -- I'm also planning a 2+ week trip around the Southeast, visiting
>> various friends, lakes, and beaches.  If my travels bring me close to
>> Hartwell, I'll give you a call to see if you're up for polishing off a
>> bottle of Mt. Gay on Rum Runner.  It would be somewhere in the timeframe
>> where July turns into August, but I'll let you know more when I make a
>> better plan.
>>
>> Happy Sailing!
>>
>> Ben
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
>> [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Mary Lou Troy
>> Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 2:40 PM
>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Tired of IMF
>>
>> Good memory John!
>>
>> We have found that the angle of the boom does make a big difference.
>> Slightly below horizontal seems to work for us. If the boom is
>> horizontal or above, it gets wrinkles as it furls. In fact if  feel
>> any resistance to furling, we stop, let out the topping lift and then
>> furl
>> it.
>>
>> We do have some problems with the furling line jamming in the
>> fittings at the end of the boom but never with the sail itself
>> jamming except twice.
>>
>> Once was very early on and we got a secondary halyard wrapped in with
>> it - had to cut the halyard and pull it free (nothing was on it -
>> it's the one we now use for the UPS.)
>>
>> The second time was recently after we had gotten our new vertical
>> batten main and it seems to have jammed because the fabric of the
>> sail wasn't wrapped tightly enough around the furling tube. We
>> refurled, pulling on the outhaul to get a tighter wrap of the sail
>> and then we were able to deploy the sail without too much trouble. We
>> are trying to keep a little tension on the furling line so we get a
>> tight wrap - just like you would with a jib furler but too much
>> tension and it won't furl. The new sail is so much crisper than the
>> old sail that it has a tendency to want to wrap loosely so right now
>> (we've only sailed with it a 3 or 4 times) we are watching that
>> carefully as we furl. I suspect it will be better once the fabric
>> gets some memory for being wrapped around the tube.
>>
>> Charlie, some other things occur to me.
>>
>> You have had this problem for a long time and say your sail is pretty
>> beat up. It could be that the condition of the sail itself is causing
>> part of the problem.
>>
>> You mention something about the sail being "too thick" coming out. I
>> assume you mean because of the wrinkles which even if you drop your
>> boom may be nearly permanent because you've had the problem for such
>> a long time. The only other thing I can think of that would make it
>> thick is if you trying to furl it too far. The sail is supposed to
>> furl so that the forward edge of the suncover is just inside the
>> slot. The sun  cover should be mostly exposed so that you have a
>> visible triangle of (suncovered) sail.
>>
>> An intermediate step in your dilemma might be to look for a used main
>> in better condition than the one you have. I know that several people
>> on the list have replaced their furling main with the new vertical
>> batten sail. When we did that, we asked Stan if he wanted the sail
>> and he said he had too many of them and no market. He might be
>> willing to sell you one of those cheap. Might even take it in trade
>> on a vertical batten sail if you get the system working and decide
>> that is what you want.
>>
>> Heck we'd sell you our old main cheap + shipping but it's somewhat
>> soft and a little baggy (no rips or tears) - Stan may have one in
>> newer condition.
>>
>> Trying to adapt your current mast to a standard bolt rope, sail slug
>> or sail track system seems to me to be a daunting task involving
>> something kluged together to deal with the wide slot of the IMF mast.
>> It would probably be as cheap to trade mast and rigging with someone
>> including the shipping costs.
>>
>> Someone mentioned poor sail shape because of the IMF and the
>> loosefooted main. The "poor sail shape" is strictly the result of the
>> cut of the IMF main (flat so it will furl and no roach so it will
>> furl) and has nothing to do with the loosefooted part. Many racing
>> boats use loosefooted mains which actually give you more control over
>> the shape of the sail.
>>
>> Hope some of this is applicable to the problem.
>>
>> Mary Lou
>> 1991 R22 Fretless
>> Rock Hall, MD
>> where there is a nice breeze but it is just too darned hot to sail
>> Charlie - send us some of that rain, we need it badly!
>>
>>
>> At 02:37 PM 7/7/2010, you wrote:
>> >Charlie,
>> >
>> >You might try some searches in the list  archives because I know this
>> >topic has been discussed before.  You are not alone in having a
>> >struggle with IMF furling from time to time.  However, it seems that
>> >most have overcome the problems with minor changes in procedure and
>> >setup, or proper lubrication, etc.
>> >
>> >For example, I remember one response (Mary Lou maybe?) that said the
>> >angle of the boom to the mast when operating the furler was fairly
>> >critical to getting a smooth furl.  Too low or too high and the sail
>> >bunches up in the mast?  Going from memory here, so I may not have the
>> >details right...
>> >
>> >Cheers!
>> >John Lock
>> >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>> >s/v Pandion - '79 Rhodes 22
>> >Lake Sinclair, GA
>> >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>> >
>> >
>> >On Jul 7, 2010, at 13:58, Charles Nieman wrote:
>> > > Rummy
>> > >
>> > > Best question I have heard asked of me .... I "found" this forum in
>> > > October of 07, but didn't think to ask all his experience until
>> > > today .... guess I am just a SLOOOOOOOOW learner .... that might
>> > > explain why I have been fighting this systenm for so long ......
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Located in Dallas, Texas .... don't see very many Rhodes out
>> > > here .... I have lubricated parts ... tried to rig the outhaul the
>> > > way Stan describes and even tried some of the approaches noted in
>> > > these responses (and don't get me wrong ... I REALLY appreciate to
>> > > massive response I am getting here) .... nothing seems to help...the
>> > > sail ALWAYS folds when pulling in and is too thick when coming
>> > > out  .....
>> > >
>> > >> From: R22RumRunner at aol.com
>> > >> Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2010 13:02:51 -0400
>> > >> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
>> > >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Tired of IMF
>> > >>
>> > >> Charlie,
>> > >> Yes, you are the only person on this planet that has problems with
>> > >> your
>> > >> IMF. Where are you located? Perhaps a knowledgeable Rhodie would be
>> > >> willing
>> > >> to help figure out your problem? It could be a physical/mechanical
>> > >> problem
>> > >> or something as simple as a lack of understanding as to how it
>> > >> actually
>> > >> works.
>> > >> Rest assured you will get many people with standard sails wishing
>> > >> to trade
>> > >> with you. DO NOT DO IT. Stan has a new IMF sail design which is
>> > >> manufactured by Doyle that adds a batten to the sail and a little
>> > >> more sail cloth.
>> > >> It's a wonderful upgrade.
>> > >> One last question? Why did it take you fifteen years to find this
>> > >> forum to
>> > >> fix your problem?
>> > >>
>> > >> Rummy
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >> In a message dated 7/7/2010 12:31:01 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
>> > >> blue66corvette at hotmail.com writes:
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >> Apparently I am the only one in the world that has trouble with the
>> > >> IMF
>> > >> .... I have FOUGHT this thing for 15 years ,.... the sail jambs
>> > >> when coming
>> > >> out, it takes all of my 235 pounds to pull it in, I have taken the
>> > >> mast
>> > >> apart two or three times trying to understand and get it to
>> > >> work .... currently
>> > >> the edge of the sail has been worn by the mast and has torn along
>> > >> the seam
>> > >> .... I am apparently pretty stupid for not knowing how to use this,
>> > >> but it
>> > >> seems to me that sooner or later one decides to stop banging your
>> > >> head
>> > >> against the wall just to see if the headache stops.... I wopuld be
>> > >> glad to
>> > >> listen to advise on how to make this work, but I am at the point
>> > >> that part of
>> > >> my problem is the duct tape holding the sail together, I HAVE to
>> > >> replace
>> > >> the sail, and I can't see paying $800 for a new sail that is going
>> > >> to keep
>> > >> giving me headaches.....
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >> Charlie
>> > >>
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>> Message: 10
>> Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2010 15:20:40 -0600
>> From: Rhodes Net <bobandkathyr22 at bellsouth.net>
>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Tired of IMF
>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> Message-ID: <5FAB3812-6EC7-44A6-9D4D-36C5FA0535DA at bellsouth.net>
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>>
>> Another option or two:
>>
>> Stan has improved the bearings.  Order new ones.
>>
>> Get a new sail.  If what you have is salvageable, send to Sail Care for
>> "repair and renewing."
>>
>> I'll be in Dallas in Oct if you haven't figured it out by then.
>>
>> Bob on the "NoKaOi 3". 14 year R22 with IMF guy!
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Jul 7, 2010, at 3:03 PM, Charles Nieman <blue66corvette at hotmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> > David
>> >
>> > I must drive much slower than you cause that trip takes me 3 1/2 hours
>> ..... but still that is very close,,,,,plus Mother-in-law lives in
>> Temple
>> ..... maybe next time I am that way I could come out and you could show
>> me
>> how to make this thing work????
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > I would buy you a beer ..... maybe even a steak to wash it down with
>> ....
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Charlie
>> >
>> >> Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2010 15:51:58 -0500
>> >> From: dculp at hsbtx.com
>> >> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
>> >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Tired of IMF
>> >>
>> >> Charlie:
>> >>
>> >> I am about 2.5 hrs south of you in Horseshoe Bay. I have a 1998 with
>> the
>> >> IMF and the new battened main. I have taken the thing apart several
>> times
>> >> since owning the boat to inspect and lubricate it. It's a very simple
>> >> system and shouldn't be giving you these problems. Take some really
>> good
>> >> pictures when you can and I will bet that barring damage to something
>> that
>> >> it can be made to work. Once you get it working, I think you will
>> like
>> it,
>> >> especially with the new battened main. The first question that comes
>> to
>> >> mind is.... Is there anyway that the foil tube inside the mast could
>> be
>> >> kinked in anyway? Especially with the new bigger battened main, there
>> is
>> no
>> >> room left inside the mast enclosure and everything must be straight.
>> The
>> >> other thing is the furler tube rigging could be wrapped around
>> something
>> is
>> >> shouldn't. I can't imagine the kind of tension you are having to use,
>> I
>> can
>> >> furl and unfurl mine with one hand as long as the boat is into the
>> wind
>> and
>> >> the boom is set slightly to starboard.
>> >>
>> >> David Culp
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2010 14:36:14 -0400
>> >> From: Charles Nieman <blue66corvette at hotmail.com>
>> >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Tired of IMF
>> >> To: <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> >> Message-ID: <COL120-W53A38923A105ACD42DC41D9B30 at phx.gbl>
>> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> I will take pictures ... but you'll have to wait a couple days ....
>> it's
>> >> starting to rain again and forcasted for most of the rest of the week
>> >> ........
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Yeah, I'm bragging now
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Charlie
>> >>
>> >> Dallas, Texas
>> >>
>> >>> From: R22RumRunner at aol.com
>> >>> Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2010 14:12:49 -0400
>> >>> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
>> >>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Tired of IMF
>> >>>
>> >>> Charlie,
>> >>> I'm in SC and can't really hop in the car and come down to see what
>> you
>> >>> have. If you could take some detailed digital photos, we might be
>> able
>> to
>> >> help
>> >>> you. Perhaps there is a lurker Rhodie near you that would be willing
>> to
>> >>> help. Ben is probably the closest I know of and he's in Louisiana.
>> >>> Lot's of photos showing your setup would really help. Hang in there.
>> We'll
>> >>> get this fixed. Trust me.
>> >>>
>> >>> Rummy
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> In a message dated 7/7/2010 2:00:59 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
>> >>> blue66corvette at hotmail.com writes:
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> Rummy
>> >>>
>> >>> Best question I have heard asked of me .... I "found" this forum in
>> >>> October of 07, but didn't think to ask all his experience until
>> today
>> ....
>> >> guess
>> >>> I am just a SLOOOOOOOOW learner .... that might explain why I have
>> been
>> >>> fighting this systenm for so long ......
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> Located in Dallas, Texas .... don't see very many Rhodes out here
>> ....
>> I
>> >>> have lubricated parts ... tried to rig the outhaul the way Stan
>> describes
>> >>> and even tried some of the approaches noted in these responses (and
>> don't
>> >> get
>> >>> me wrong ... I REALLY appreciate to massive response I am getting
>> here)
>> >>> .... nothing seems to help...the sail ALWAYS folds when pulling in
>> and
>> is
>> >> too
>> >>> thick when coming out .....
>> >>>
>> >>>> From: R22RumRunner at aol.com
>> >>>> Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2010 13:02:51 -0400
>> >>>> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
>> >>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Tired of IMF
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Charlie,
>> >>>> Yes, you are the only person on this planet that has problems with
>> your
>> >>>> IMF. Where are you located? Perhaps a knowledgeable Rhodie would be
>> >>> willing
>> >>>> to help figure out your problem? It could be a physical/mechanical
>> >>> problem
>> >>>> or something as simple as a lack of understanding as to how it
>> actually
>> >>>> works.
>> >>>> Rest assured you will get many people with standard sails wishing
>> to
>> >>> trade
>> >>>> with you. DO NOT DO IT. Stan has a new IMF sail design which is
>> >>>> manufactured by Doyle that adds a batten to the sail and a little
>> more
>> >>> sail cloth.
>> >>>> It's a wonderful upgrade.
>> >>>> One last question? Why did it take you fifteen years to find this
>> forum
>> >>> to
>> >>>> fix your problem?
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Rummy
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> In a message dated 7/7/2010 12:31:01 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
>> >>>> blue66corvette at hotmail.com writes:
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Apparently I am the only one in the world that has trouble with the
>> IMF
>> >>>> .... I have FOUGHT this thing for 15 years ,.... the sail jambs
>> when
>> >>> coming
>> >>>> out, it takes all of my 235 pounds to pull it in, I have taken the
>> mast
>> >>>> apart two or three times trying to understand and get it to work
>> ....
>> >>> currently
>> >>>> the edge of the sail has been worn by the mast and has torn along
>> the
>> >>> seam
>> >>>> .... I am apparently pretty stupid for not knowing how to use this,
>> but
>> >>> it
>> >>>> seems to me that sooner or later one decides to stop banging your
>> head
>> >>>> against the wall just to see if the headache stops.... I wopuld be
>> glad
>> >>> to
>> >>>> listen to advise on how to make this work, but I am at the point
>> that
>> >>> part of
>> >>>> my problem is the duct tape holding the sail together, I HAVE to
>> replace
>> >>>> the sail, and I can't see paying $800 for a new sail that is going
>> to
>> >>> keep
>> >>>> giving me headaches.....
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Charlie
>> >>>>
>> >>>> _________________________________________________________________
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>> >>> with
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>> Message: 11
>> Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2010 17:42:32 -0400
>> From: "Jim Connolly" <jbconnolly at comcast.net>
>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Tired of IMF
>> To: "'The Rhodes 22 Email List'" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
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>>
>> I make no claims as to expertise, but I have had only infrequent
>> problems
>> with the IMF, and they are usually traceable to need for lubrication or
>> operator error.  I furl two handed with the aft end of the boom over the
>> starboard gunwale.  The mainsheet is slack at this point.  I pull the
>> black
>> furling line with my right hand and maintain a slight tension with my
>> left
>> on the blue outhaul line (also ensuring that the outhaul line stays out
>> of
>> the cam cleat).  If the boom is level with the mast, the sail usually
>> furls
>> without bunching.
>>
>> I keep my boat on a mooring, so even if it bunches, I wait until I am
>> moored, adjust the boom and repeat until I am satisfied.  I had my
>> topping
>> lift marked for the perfect position to furl, but the mark wore off over
>> the
>> winter.  I am still finding my way back to the proper adjustment for the
>> topping lift.
>>
>> I lubricate when required with WD-40.  This can be done on the lower
>> bearing
>> even when the mast is up.  Jam a bunch of paper towels in the mast slot
>> beneath the bushing to absorb the excess and use the straw to hit the
>> wear
>> points.
>>
>> Good luck
>>
>> Jim Connolly
>> s/v Inisheer
>> '85 recycled '03
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
>> [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Charles Nieman
>> Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 1:59 PM
>> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Tired of IMF
>>
>>
>> Rummy
>>
>> Best question I have heard asked of me .... I "found" this forum in
>> October
>> of 07, but didn't think to ask all his experience until today .... guess
>> I
>> am just a SLOOOOOOOOW learner .... that might explain why I have been
>> fighting this systenm for so long ......
>>
>>
>>
>> Located in Dallas, Texas .... don't see very many Rhodes out here .... I
>> have lubricated parts ... tried to rig the outhaul the way Stan
>> describes
>> and even tried some of the approaches noted in these responses (and
>> don't
>> get me wrong ... I REALLY appreciate to massive response I am getting
>> here)
>> .... nothing seems to help...the sail ALWAYS folds when pulling in and
>> is
>> too thick when coming out  .....
>>
>> > From: R22RumRunner at aol.com
>> > Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2010 13:02:51 -0400
>> > To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
>> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Tired of IMF
>> >
>> > Charlie,
>> > Yes, you are the only person on this planet that has problems with
>> your
>> > IMF. Where are you located? Perhaps a knowledgeable Rhodie would be
>> willing
>> > to help figure out your problem? It could be a physical/mechanical
>> problem
>>
>> > or something as simple as a lack of understanding as to how it
>> actually
>> > works.
>> > Rest assured you will get many people with standard sails wishing to
>> trade
>>
>> > with you. DO NOT DO IT. Stan has a new IMF sail design which is
>> > manufactured by Doyle that adds a batten to the sail and a little more
>> sail cloth.
>> > It's a wonderful upgrade.
>> > One last question? Why did it take you fifteen years to find this
>> forum
>> to
>>
>> > fix your problem?
>> >
>> > Rummy
>> >
>> >
>> > In a message dated 7/7/2010 12:31:01 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
>> > blue66corvette at hotmail.com writes:
>> >
>> >
>> > Apparently I am the only one in the world that has trouble with the
>> IMF
>> > .... I have FOUGHT this thing for 15 years ,.... the sail jambs when
>> coming
>> > out, it takes all of my 235 pounds to pull it in, I have taken the
>> mast
>> > apart two or three times trying to understand and get it to work ....
>> currently
>> > the edge of the sail has been worn by the mast and has torn along the
>> seam
>>
>> > .... I am apparently pretty stupid for not knowing how to use this,
>> but
>> it
>>
>> > seems to me that sooner or later one decides to stop banging your head
>> > against the wall just to see if the headache stops.... I wopuld be
>> glad
>> to
>>
>> > listen to advise on how to make this work, but I am at the point that
>> part
>> of
>> > my problem is the duct tape holding the sail together, I HAVE to
>> replace
>> > the sail, and I can't see paying $800 for a new sail that is going to
>> keep
>>
>> > giving me headaches.....
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Charlie
>> >
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>> Message: 12
>> Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2010 18:39:14 -0500
>> From: Geoff Farrell <geoffreylfarrell at gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Hull color
>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> Message-ID:
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>> Paul: Have you tried this....
>>
>>
>> http://www.303products.com/shop303/index.cfm/category/109/restoring-gelcoat-fiberglass.cfm
>>
>> I use this stuff on the vinyl seats of my pontoon boat (seats are off
>> white
>> and maroon). The boat is 12 year old and when people come aboard they
>> think
>> it's new. This is an expensive product but in my opinion it is worth it.
>> Geoff
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 3:42 PM, <pdgrand at nospam.wmis.net> wrote:
>>
>> > Geoff,
>> >
>> > If you look around, you will see that most sailboats have white hulls.
>> > There is a reason for that.  I bought mine brand new from Stan in 1999
>> > with a beautiful dark green hull.  I believe it's the first green one
>> he
>> > made.  I loved it.  It was beautiful.  I received a lot of positive
>> > comments on it.  I waxed it every spring.  I put it in mid to late May
>> and
>> > pull it out late September to early October.  The rest of the time it
>> is
>> > protected inside my barn.  I live in Michigan, so the sun isn't nearly
>> as
>> > strong here as it is further south.  About four years ago I noticed
>> that
>> > the hull was starting to fade.  So, the color lasted about six or
>> seven
>> > years before that happened.  Not sure what, if anything, I could have
>> done
>> > differently to prevent that.  I've also tried various products to try
>> to
>> > restore it to no avail so far.  I'm afraid the only thing I can do is
>> to
>> > eventually have it painted.
>> >
>> > Paul
>> >
>> > > Hi everybody. I'm trying to decide on a hull color. I've read lots
>> of
>> > info
>> > > regarding dark colors generating more heat, oxidizing faster than
>> white
>> > > hulls, etc. I'd be doing most of my sailing in the Alabama Gulf
>> > > Shores/Florida Panhandle area. Anyone have any comments about darker
>> > > colors
>> > > in this environment? If you have a blue/black/red/green hull, do you
>> have
>> > > any regrets? My boat will be kept in a slip for about 6 months per
>> year
>> > > (Sept-Oct; Jan-April) and then in covered storage for the other
>> months.
>> > >
>> > > Thanks, Geoff
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>> Message: 13
>> Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2010 19:58:26 EDT
>> From: R22RumRunner at aol.com
>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Tired of IMF
>> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
>> Message-ID: <100eb.20c79b59.39666ea2 at aol.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
>>
>> Charlie,
>> You can send all the rain you don't need our way. It's dry again in  SC.
>>
>> Rummy
>>
>>
>> In a message dated 7/7/2010 2:36:30 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
>> blue66corvette at hotmail.com writes:
>>
>>
>> I  will take pictures ... but you'll have to wait a couple days ....
>> it's
>> starting to rain again and forcasted for most of the rest of the week
>> ........
>>
>>
>>
>> Yeah, I'm bragging  now
>>
>>
>>
>> Charlie
>>
>> Dallas, Texas
>>
>> > From:  R22RumRunner at aol.com
>> > Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2010 14:12:49 -0400
>> > To:  rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
>> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Tired of  IMF
>> >
>> > Charlie,
>> > I'm in SC and can't really hop in the  car and come down to see what
>> you
>> > have. If you could take some  detailed digital photos, we might be
>> able
>> to help
>> > you. Perhaps there  is a lurker Rhodie near you that would be willing
>> to
>> > help. Ben is  probably the closest I know of and he's in Louisiana.
>> > Lot's of photos  showing your setup would really help. Hang in there.
>> We'll
>> > get this  fixed. Trust me.
>> >
>> > Rummy
>> >
>> >
>> > In a message  dated 7/7/2010 2:00:59 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
>> >  blue66corvette at hotmail.com writes:
>> >
>> >
>> > Rummy
>> >
>> > Best question I have heard asked of me .... I "found" this forum in
>> > October of 07, but didn't think to ask all his experience until today
>> .... guess
>> > I am just a SLOOOOOOOOW learner .... that might explain  why I have
>> been
>> > fighting this systenm for so long ......
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Located in Dallas, Texas .... don't see very many  Rhodes out here
>> .... I
>> > have lubricated parts ... tried to rig the  outhaul the way Stan
>> describes
>> > and even tried some of the approaches  noted in these responses (and
>> don't get
>> > me wrong ... I REALLY  appreciate to massive response I am getting
>> here)
>> > .... nothing seems  to help...the sail ALWAYS folds when pulling in
>> and
>> is too
>> > thick when  coming out .....
>> >
>> > > From: R22RumRunner at aol.com
>> >  > Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2010 13:02:51 -0400
>> > > To:  rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
>> > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Tired of  IMF
>> > >
>> > > Charlie,
>> > > Yes, you are the only  person on this planet that has problems with
>> your
>> > > IMF. Where are  you located? Perhaps a knowledgeable Rhodie would be
>> > willing
>> >  > to help figure out your problem? It could be a physical/mechanical
>> > problem
>> > > or something as simple as a lack of  understanding as to how it
>> actually
>> > > works.
>> > > Rest  assured you will get many people with standard sails wishing
>> to
>> > trade
>> > > with you. DO NOT DO IT. Stan has a new IMF sail design which is
>> > > manufactured by Doyle that adds a batten to the sail and a  little
>> more
>> > sail cloth.
>> > > It's a wonderful  upgrade.
>> > > One last question? Why did it take you fifteen years to  find this
>> forum
>> > to
>> > > fix your problem?
>> > >
>> > > Rummy
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > In a message  dated 7/7/2010 12:31:01 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
>> > >  blue66corvette at hotmail.com writes:
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >  Apparently I am the only one in the world that has trouble with the
>> IMF
>> > > .... I have FOUGHT this thing for 15 years ,.... the sail jambs
>> when
>> > coming
>> > > out, it takes all of my 235 pounds to pull  it in, I have taken the
>> mast
>> > > apart two or three times trying to  understand and get it to work
>> ....
>> > currently
>> > > the edge  of the sail has been worn by the mast and has torn along
>> the
>> > seam
>> > > .... I am apparently pretty stupid for not knowing how to use  this,
>> but
>> > it
>> > > seems to me that sooner or later one  decides to stop banging your
>> head
>> > > against the wall just to see  if the headache stops.... I wopuld be
>> glad
>> > to
>> > > listen to  advise on how to make this work, but I am at the point
>> that
>> > part of
>> > > my problem is the duct tape holding the sail together, I HAVE to
>> replace
>> > > the sail, and I can't see paying $800 for a new sail  that is going
>> to
>> > keep
>> > > giving me headaches.....
>> >  >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Charlie
>> > >
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>> Message: 14
>> Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2010 19:27:47 -0700 (PDT)
>> From: John Shulick <jsbudda at verizon.net>
>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Tired of IMF
>> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
>> Message-ID: <29100015.post at talk.nabble.com>
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>>
>>
>> John,
>>
>>  The IMF mast is taller than the standard main. I had Mike Cheungs' boat
>> (09
>> recycle) and my (71 original) side by side and he looked 1 to 2 ft
>> taller
>> easy. You would need new rigging but you might save on the genoa by
>> having
>> it re-cut.
>>
>> John S
>>
>>
>> jlock wrote:
>> >
>> > Looking past the obvious "why would you do that?!" question, I wonder
>> > how feasible that downgrade would be?  Seems like most of the standing
>> > rigging would have to be resized or replaced due to differing mast
>> > height or attachment points.  Could you still use the same genoa?  Or
>> > would that also need to be resized/replaced?  Speaking from ignorance
>> > here...  I don't know what (if any) dimensional differences there are
>> > between standard and IMF rigs.
>> >
>> > But if it were feasible, how about we just swap?  I'll take your IMF
>> > rig and you can have my standard rig ;-)
>> >
>> > Cheers!
>> > John Lock
>> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>> > s/v Pandion - '79 Rhodes 22
>> > Lake Sinclair, GA
>> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>> >
>> >
>> > On Jul 7, 2010, at 12:04, R22RumRunner at aol.com wrote:
>> >> Charlie,
>> >> What in the hell are you drinking anyway? Nobody in their right mind
>> >> would
>> >> want to replace an IMF with a standard main. What gives here???????
>> >>
>> >> Rummy
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> In a message dated 7/7/2010 11:37:50 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
>> >> blue66corvette at hotmail.com writes:
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> The  sail is tired and it is time to replace. I am sooooo tired of
>> >> fighting
>> >> the IMF  and have decided to go to a standard main. Has anyone done
>> >> this
>> >> without  replacing the mast?  Any suggestions ??? I could really use
>> >> the
>> >> advise of  all you experienced Rhodes guys out there  ..
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Thanks
>> >>
>> >> Charlie
>> >>
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>> Message: 15
>> Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2010 19:34:35 -0700 (PDT)
>> From: John Shulick <jsbudda at verizon.net>
>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Tired of IMF
>> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
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>>
>> Charlie,
>>
>> Here is the link for the company that makes the standard mast for the
>> rhodes
>> 22. They should have every thing you need to do the conversion.
>>
>> http://www.dwyermast.com/items.asp?cat1ID=20&cat1Name=Masts&familyID=40&
>>
>>
>> John S
>>
>>
>> blue66corvette wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> > The sail is tired and it is time to replace. I am sooooo tired of
>> fighting
>> > the IMF and have decided to go to a standard main. Has anyone done
>> this
>> > without replacing the mast?  Any suggestions ??? I could really use
>> the
>> > advise of all you experienced Rhodes guys out there ..
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Thanks
>> >
>> > Charlie
>> >
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>> Message: 16
>> Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2010 19:40:21 -0700 (PDT)
>> From: John Shulick <jsbudda at verizon.net>
>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Tired of IMF
>> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
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>>
>>
>> 2nd try
>>
>>
>> John Shulick wrote:
>> >
>> > Charlie,
>> >
>> > Here is the link for the company that makes the standard mast for the
>> > rhodes 22. They should have every thing you need to do the conversion.
>> >
>> http://www.dwyermast.com/items.asp?cat1ID=20&cat1Name=Masts&familyID=40&
>> > ">
>> http://www.dwyermast.com/items.asp?cat1ID=20&cat1Name=Masts&familyID=40&">
>> >
>> > John S
>> >
>> >
>> > blue66corvette wrote:
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> The sail is tired and it is time to replace. I am sooooo tired of
>> >> fighting the IMF and have decided to go to a standard main. Has
>> anyone
>> >> done this without replacing the mast?  Any suggestions ??? I could
>> really
>> >> use the advise of all you experienced Rhodes guys out there ..
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Thanks
>> >>
>> >> Charlie
>> >>
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>> Message: 17
>> Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2010 06:40:25 EDT
>> From: R22RumRunner at aol.com
>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Tired of IMF
>> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
>> Message-ID: <9cbed.769c382e.39670519 at aol.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
>>
>> Ben,
>> Our guest bedroom is always available, as is Rum Runner.
>>
>> Rummy
>>
>>
>> In a message dated 7/7/2010 5:15:15 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
>> benonvelvetelvis at theskinnyonbenny.com writes:
>>
>> Charlie  -- There's a pretty good chance that I'll have a chore for a
>> relative that  brings me to the Dallas area for a couple of days.  Not
>> sure
>> when I'll  work it in, but it would be some time between now and
>> football
>> season.  I'll definitely let you know when I know that I'm  going to be
>> out
>> there.  Would rather fix your sail and maybe get in a  little lake time
>> than
>> spend time with my Dallas people anyway.
>>
>> I'm  hoping that GB does indeed have an inventory of slightly used
>> sails; I
>> may  be in the position to buy one (or maybe even one and a backup).  I
>> blew
>> a rip in the seam of my main earlier in the spring.  Spent a  cold,
>> rainy
>> day
>> taping/sewing it back up, and then this weekend, in huge  Alex-driven
>> gusts,
>> I pretty well shredded the seam between normal sailcloth  and sunbrulla
>> (or
>> whatever the sun-proof fabric is).  I don't think I  can repair it now.
>>
>> The timing is good (or maybe coincidentally bad),  because I heard on
>> Monday
>> that tar balls and an oil sheen have made their  way to the channel
>> where
>> our
>> lake lets out into the gulf.  I'm docked  on the East side, which is
>> closest
>> to the Gulf, so I'm inclined to put her  on the trailer for a couple of
>> weeks
>> (months?/years?) anyway.  I'm  bidding on a job that would bring me to a
>> town
>> fairly close to Edenton  every month, so maybe I can squeeze in some
>> time
>> to
>> drop in on Stan for  some shopping.
>>
>> Rummy -- I'm also planning a 2+ week trip around the  Southeast,
>> visiting
>> various friends, lakes, and beaches.  If my  travels bring me close to
>> Hartwell, I'll give you a call to see if you're  up for polishing off a
>> bottle of Mt. Gay on Rum Runner.  It would be  somewhere in the
>> timeframe
>> where July turns into August, but I'll let you  know more when I make a
>> better plan.
>>
>> Happy  Sailing!
>>
>> Ben
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From:  rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
>> [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org]  On Behalf Of Mary Lou Troy
>> Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 2:40 PM
>> To:  The Rhodes 22 Email List
>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Tired of  IMF
>>
>> Good memory John!
>>
>> We have found that the angle of the boom  does make a big difference.
>> Slightly below horizontal seems to work for  us. If the boom is
>> horizontal or above, it gets wrinkles as it furls. In  fact if  feel
>> any resistance to furling, we stop, let out the topping  lift and then
>> furl
>> it.
>>
>> We do have some problems with the furling  line jamming in the
>> fittings at the end of the boom but never with the  sail itself
>> jamming except twice.
>>
>> Once was very early on and we got  a secondary halyard wrapped in with
>> it - had to cut the halyard and pull  it free (nothing was on it -
>> it's the one we now use for the  UPS.)
>>
>> The second time was recently after we had gotten our new vertical
>> batten main and it seems to have jammed because the fabric of the
>> sail  wasn't wrapped tightly enough around the furling tube. We
>> refurled,  pulling on the outhaul to get a tighter wrap of the sail
>> and then we were  able to deploy the sail without too much trouble. We
>> are trying to keep a  little tension on the furling line so we get a
>> tight wrap - just like you  would with a jib furler but too much
>> tension and it won't furl. The new  sail is so much crisper than the
>> old sail that it has a tendency to want  to wrap loosely so right now
>> (we've only sailed with it a 3 or 4 times) we  are watching that
>> carefully as we furl. I suspect it will be better once  the fabric
>> gets some memory for being wrapped around the  tube.
>>
>> Charlie, some other things occur to me.
>>
>> You have had this  problem for a long time and say your sail is pretty
>> beat up. It could be  that the condition of the sail itself is causing
>> part of the  problem.
>>
>> You mention something about the sail being "too thick" coming  out. I
>> assume you mean because of the wrinkles which even if you drop your
>> boom may be nearly permanent because you've had the problem for such
>> a  long time. The only other thing I can think of that would make it
>> thick is  if you trying to furl it too far. The sail is supposed to
>> furl so that the  forward edge of the suncover is just inside the
>> slot. The sun  cover  should be mostly exposed so that you have a
>> visible triangle of  (suncovered) sail.
>>
>> An intermediate step in your dilemma might be to  look for a used main
>> in better condition than the one you have. I know  that several people
>> on the list have replaced their furling main with the  new vertical
>> batten sail. When we did that, we asked Stan if he wanted the  sail
>> and he said he had too many of them and no market. He might be
>> willing to sell you one of those cheap. Might even take it in trade
>> on  a vertical batten sail if you get the system working and decide
>> that is  what you want.
>>
>> Heck we'd sell you our old main cheap + shipping but  it's somewhat
>> soft and a little baggy (no rips or tears) - Stan may have  one in
>> newer condition.
>>
>> Trying to adapt your current mast to a  standard bolt rope, sail slug
>> or sail track system seems to me to be a  daunting task involving
>> something kluged together to deal with the wide  slot of the IMF mast.
>> It would probably be as cheap to trade mast and  rigging with someone
>> including the shipping costs.
>>
>> Someone  mentioned poor sail shape because of the IMF and the
>> loosefooted main. The  "poor sail shape" is strictly the result of the
>> cut of the IMF main (flat  so it will furl and no roach so it will
>> furl) and has nothing to do with  the loosefooted part. Many racing
>> boats use loosefooted mains which  actually give you more control over
>> the shape of the sail.
>>
>> Hope  some of this is applicable to the problem.
>>
>> Mary Lou
>> 1991 R22  Fretless
>> Rock Hall, MD
>> where there is a nice breeze but it is just too  darned hot to sail
>> Charlie - send us some of that rain, we need it  badly!
>>
>>
>> At 02:37 PM 7/7/2010, you  wrote:
>> >Charlie,
>> >
>> >You might try some searches in the  list  archives because I know this
>> >topic has been discussed  before.  You are not alone in having a
>> >struggle with IMF furling  from time to time.  However, it seems that
>> >most have overcome the  problems with minor changes in procedure and
>> >setup, or proper  lubrication, etc.
>> >
>> >For example, I remember one response (Mary  Lou maybe?) that said the
>> >angle of the boom to the mast when operating  the furler was fairly
>> >critical to getting a smooth furl.  Too low  or too high and the sail
>> >bunches up in the mast?  Going from  memory here, so I may not have the
>> >details  right...
>> >
>> >Cheers!
>> >John  Lock
>> >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>> >s/v Pandion - '79 Rhodes 22
>> >Lake  Sinclair, GA
>> >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>> >
>> >
>> >On Jul 7, 2010,  at 13:58, Charles Nieman wrote:
>> > > Rummy
>> > >
>> > >  Best question I have heard asked of me .... I "found" this forum in
>> >  > October of 07, but didn't think to ask all his experience until
>> >  > today .... guess I am just a SLOOOOOOOOW learner .... that might
>> >  > explain why I have been fighting this systenm for so long ......
>> >  >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Located in Dallas, Texas ....  don't see very many Rhodes out
>> > > here .... I have lubricated parts  ... tried to rig the outhaul the
>> > > way Stan describes and even  tried some of the approaches noted in
>> > > these responses (and don't  get me wrong ... I REALLY appreciate to
>> > > massive response I am  getting here) .... nothing seems to
>> help...the
>> > > sail ALWAYS folds  when pulling in and is too thick when coming
>> > > out   .....
>> > >
>> > >> From: R22RumRunner at aol.com
>> >  >> Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2010 13:02:51 -0400
>> > >> To:  rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
>> > >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Tired  of IMF
>> > >>
>> > >> Charlie,
>> > >> Yes, you  are the only person on this planet that has problems with
>> > >>  your
>> > >> IMF. Where are you located? Perhaps a knowledgeable  Rhodie would
>> be
>> > >> willing
>> > >> to help figure out  your problem? It could be a physical/mechanical
>> > >>  problem
>> > >> or something as simple as a lack of understanding as  to how it
>> > >> actually
>> > >> works.
>> > >>  Rest assured you will get many people with standard sails wishing
>> >  >> to trade
>> > >> with you. DO NOT DO IT. Stan has a new IMF  sail design which is
>> > >> manufactured by Doyle that adds a batten  to the sail and a little
>> > >> more sail cloth.
>> > >>  It's a wonderful upgrade.
>> > >> One last question? Why did it take  you fifteen years to find this
>> > >> forum to
>> > >> fix  your problem?
>> > >>
>> > >> Rummy
>> > >>
>> >  >>
>> > >> In a message dated 7/7/2010 12:31:01 P.M. Eastern  Daylight Time,
>> > >> blue66corvette at hotmail.com writes:
>> >  >>
>> > >>
>> > >> Apparently I am the only one in the  world that has trouble with
>> the
>> > >> IMF
>> > >> .... I  have FOUGHT this thing for 15 years ,.... the sail jambs
>> > >> when  coming
>> > >> out, it takes all of my 235 pounds to pull it in, I  have taken the
>> > >> mast
>> > >> apart two or three times  trying to understand and get it to
>> > >> work ....  currently
>> > >> the edge of the sail has been worn by the mast and  has torn along
>> > >> the seam
>> > >> .... I am apparently  pretty stupid for not knowing how to use
>> this,
>> > >> but it
>> >  >> seems to me that sooner or later one decides to stop banging  your
>> > >> head
>> > >> against the wall just to see if  the headache stops.... I wopuld be
>> > >> glad to
>> > >>  listen to advise on how to make this work, but I am at the point
>> >  >> that part of
>> > >> my problem is the duct tape holding the  sail together, I HAVE to
>> > >> replace
>> > >> the sail,  and I can't see paying $800 for a new sail that is going
>> > >> to  keep
>> > >> giving me headaches.....
>> > >>
>> >  >>
>> > >>
>> > >> Charlie
>> > >>
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>> Message: 18
>> Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2010 08:36:11 -0400 (EDT)
>> From: pdgrand at nospam.wmis.net
>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Hull color
>> To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
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>> Geoff,
>>
>> No, I haven't.  Thanks for the tip.  I'll try it this spring.  If it
>> works, I'd get another dark hull in a heartbeat.  Otherwise, I'd
>> probably
>> switch to white.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Paul
>>
>> > Paul: Have you tried this....
>> >
>> >
>> http://www.303products.com/shop303/index.cfm/category/109/restoring-gelcoat-fiberglass.cfm
>> >
>> > I use this stuff on the vinyl seats of my pontoon boat (seats are off
>> > white
>> > and maroon). The boat is 12 year old and when people come aboard they
>> > think
>> > it's new. This is an expensive product but in my opinion it is worth
>> it.
>> > Geoff
>> >
>> > On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 3:42 PM, <pdgrand at nospam.wmis.net> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Geoff,
>> >>
>> >> If you look around, you will see that most sailboats have white
>> hulls.
>> >> There is a reason for that.  I bought mine brand new from Stan in
>> 1999
>> >> with a beautiful dark green hull.  I believe it's the first green one
>> he
>> >> made.  I loved it.  It was beautiful.  I received a lot of positive
>> >> comments on it.  I waxed it every spring.  I put it in mid to late
>> May
>> >> and
>> >> pull it out late September to early October.  The rest of the time it
>> is
>> >> protected inside my barn.  I live in Michigan, so the sun isn't
>> nearly
>> >> as
>> >> strong here as it is further south.  About four years ago I noticed
>> that
>> >> the hull was starting to fade.  So, the color lasted about six or
>> seven
>> >> years before that happened.  Not sure what, if anything, I could have
>> >> done
>> >> differently to prevent that.  I've also tried various products to try
>> to
>> >> restore it to no avail so far.  I'm afraid the only thing I can do is
>> to
>> >> eventually have it painted.
>> >>
>> >> Paul
>> >>
>> >> > Hi everybody. I'm trying to decide on a hull color. I've read lots
>> of
>> >> info
>> >> > regarding dark colors generating more heat, oxidizing faster than
>> >> white
>> >> > hulls, etc. I'd be doing most of my sailing in the Alabama Gulf
>> >> > Shores/Florida Panhandle area. Anyone have any comments about
>> darker
>> >> > colors
>> >> > in this environment? If you have a blue/black/red/green hull, do
>> you
>> >> have
>> >> > any regrets? My boat will be kept in a slip for about 6 months per
>> >> year
>> >> > (Sept-Oct; Jan-April) and then in covered storage for the other
>> >> months.
>> >> >
>> >> > Thanks, Geoff
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>> Message: 19
>> Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2010 08:54:05 -0400
>> From: Charles Nieman <blue66corvette at hotmail.com>
>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Tired of IMF
>> To: <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
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>>
>> It's becoming clearer to me now ......
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks to all for the GREAT input and convincing that I should try one
>> more
>> time to get this thing to work .... I called Stan this morning to get
>> new
>> bearings etc...talked with him about replacing the sail (cause part of
>> the
>> problem is the duct tape holding the sail together, and I already knew
>> that); when I pointed out to Stan that my furling tube did not have a
>> groove
>> for the sail to attach to but used a system of a sleeve in the luff of
>> the
>> sail to slide the tube into, Stan  responded that I would have to get a
>> new
>> tube because all of the bearings etc are designed to attach to the newer
>> tubes with the groove for the sail rope to feed into ...... frieght from
>> NC
>> to Dallas is going to be the real problem ......
>>
>>
>>
>> But at least I am begining to really understand what my problem is ....
>>
>>
>>
>> Charlie
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