[Rhodes22-list] OB Motors ( for Rummy)
ftugwell at cox.net
ftugwell at cox.net
Tue Jun 22 08:52:58 EDT 2010
On Saturday I was single-handing my Rhodes on the Potomac with good
winds (around 15 k) and when I decided to return to port, the engine
would not drop--in fact, nothing happened when I pressed the remote
(this is new) button to lower the lift. I called Stan, who went through
all the alternatives with me: a) checking the connections on the busbar
in the laz, and on the battery; b) reading the instructions to find the
release for the motor; and c) in an emergency situation, cutting the
strap while holding the motor up with a line so that it does not drop.
We had already determined that there was still power, since my
instruments were all working. I was in the middle of the channel with
lots of boats zooming around and a good wind, so I decided to go back to
the marina area and anchor to check things out. Since it was relatively
easy, I did reach in the laz and, to my surprise, I found a loose nut
connection. (not a wire nut, just a nut) After I tightened it, the
motor lift worked. Many thanks to Stan for walking me through this on
my new boat. An aside: no surveyor will approve a boat for sale if it
has wire nuts. these are not for marine use.
On Tue, Jun 22, 2010 at 8:08 AM, Joe Camp wrote:
> Rummy and Chris:
>
> There seems to be a Freudian undertone in all of this "nut" talk.
> Can we switch to something more directly phallic, like "raising the
> mast?" Just a thought, but let's not hide our true natures...men.
>
> Joe
> --- On Tue, 6/22/10, R22RumRunner at aol.com wrote:
>
>
> From: R22RumRunner at aol.com Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] OB Motors (
> for Rummy)
> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> Date: Tuesday, June 22, 2010, 7:57 AM
>
>
> Wire nuts are not for marine use. I prefer soldered connections with
> shrink tubing and then a layer of liquid electrical tape. I'm glad we
> dug a little deeper into this subject.
>
> Rummy
>
>
> In a message dated 6/21/2010 1:35:40 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> ccowie at cowieassociates.com writes:
>
> Thanks for the advice. The nuts I was referring to are not the wing
> nuts on the battery rather control wires from the outboard lift
> switch have wire nuts that seem to come a bit loose every now and
> then. I plan to replace them with a better quality crimp but joint.
>
> Christopher P. Cowie
>
>
> 4400 MacArthur Blvd, NW Suite 300 Washington, DC 20007 202.342.2711
> 202.342.2691 fax 202.270.1470 mobile
> [ccowie at cowieassociates.com]
> cowieassociates.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
> [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Michael D.
> Weisner
> Sent: Monday, June 21, 2010 8:42 AM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] OB Motors ( for Rummy)
>
> Strictly speaking, wire nuts are not a good choice in a marine
> environment since they do not form a gas-tight joint. You should use
> solder or crimped butt joints for more trouble free permanent wiring
> solutions. If you wish to use wire nuts, simply make them gas-tight
> by adding a dielectric grease to block corrosion during assembly of
> the joint. Loctite makes a good quality grease which is available
> just about everywhere (MSC Direct is a great source for this,
> stainless fasteners, tubing, etc,):
> http://www1.mscdirect.com/CGI/NNSRIT?PMPXNO=3108381&PMT4NO=87953202
>
> If you are in a salt environment, stay away from the conductive
> "passivated" greases (zinc or copper added) as they have been thought
> to cause some galvanic activity that can degrade the wire joint.
> They're also a bit more costly.
>
> If you want to try an old solution for the corrosion that usually
> works, just paint some Vasoline around the joint to block corrosive
> vapors. It may not be hi-tech but it has worked well for years.
>
> Make sure that the wires are real clean before joining, use a NEW
> wire nut and paint some grease on for protection and your joints
> should last several seasons without trouble.
>
> Mike
> s/v Shanghai'd Summer ('81)
> Nissequogue River, NY
>
>
> From: Monday, June 21, 2010 7:07 AM
>> The nuts are fine. You probably need to clean the copper connectors
>> on
> the
>> battery and the cable and tighten a little tighter than hand tight.
>> Use
> a
>> small pair of pliers.
>>
>> Rummy
>>
>>
>> In a message dated 6/20/2010 8:34:51 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
>> ccowie at cowieassociates.com writes:
>>
>> My 2009 has a long shaft and electric lift. Stays in the water
>> during
>> high seas on the Chesapeake bay and doesn't drag when
>> lifted. Motor
>> casing touches the rail in the raised and tilted position. I have
>> a
>> yamaha 8 hp run the carberator dry and flush the cooling system
>> with
>> fresh water after each use. Runs great so far. The only trouble
>> so
>> far has been the electric switch looses power every now and then in
>> the down position. Solution is to grab the wire nuts in the laz
>> and
>> give them a sqeeze. Kind of like kicking a computer when it
>> doesn't
>> work. I'm pretty sure wire nut connections on a boat are not a
>> good
>> idea and I should replace them.
>>
>> Chris Cowie
>> Cowie Associates PC
>>
>>
>> On Jun 20, 2010, at 5:17 PM, "R22RumRunner at aol.com"
>>> wrote:
>>
>>> Joe,
>>> Again, it depends on the lift. If you are getting the standard
>>> (non-motorized) lift, you will want the long shaft and deal with
>>> an
>>> occasional drag.
>>> (Maybe)You can tilt the motor once all the way up. It's not a big
>>> deal. But
>>> you want to keep the prop in the water while the engine
>>> is running.
>>>
>>> Rummy
>>>
>>>
>>> In a message dated 6/20/2010 4:00:55 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
>>> jjcampjr at yahoo.com writes:
>>>
>>> Rummy:
>>> I'll have the 7:1 lift. I do not get the boat until July 28; I
>>> believe
>>> it's manual, but I don't know for sure. Really, if the 20" is
>>> going to
>>> cavitate, I have no control over that. It does what it does,
>>> right? What length
>>> shaft do most Rhodes owners use? Thaks.
>>> Joe
>>>
>>>
>>> --- On Sun, 6/20/10, R22RumRunner at aol.com
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> From: R22RumRunner at aol.com Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list]
>>> OB Motors
>>> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
>>> Date: Sunday, June 20, 2010, 3:31 PM
>>>
>>> Also,
>>> Cavitation is not good for an outboard motor. It is hard on the
>>> cooling
>>> impeller (doesn't like running dry) and has been known to twist
>>> or
>>> snap
>>> crank
>>> shafts.
>>>
>>> Rummy
>>>
>>>
>>> In a message dated 6/20/2010 1:22:54 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
>>> jjcampjr at yahoo.com writes:
>>>
>>> John:
>>> The cavitating is something I can live with. OTOH (to borrow a
>>> wonderful
>>> acronym from you) the added drag when heeling to port would be a
>>> PITA (to
>>> borrow a wonderful acronym from Stan). I hadn't considered
>>> that,
>>> and
>>> your
>>> advice has made my decision far easier.
>>> Joe
>>>
>>> --- On Sun, 6/20/10, John Lock wrote:
>>>
>>> From: John Lock Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] OB Motors
>>> To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List"
>>> Date: Sunday, June 20, 2010, 12:00 PM
>>>
>>> Longer shaft will cavitate less in rough seas under power.
>>> OTOH,
>>> longer shaft may drag the prop in the water when heeled over to
>>> port
>>> under sail.
>>>
>>> Cheers!
>>> John Lock
>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>> s/v Pandion - '79 Rhodes 22
>>> Lake Sinclair, GA
>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jun 20, 2010, at 10:45, Joe Camp wrote:
>>>> Hello; here's a probably easy question: In the realm of
>>>> long
> shaft
>>>> OB motors, would a 25" shaft have any advantage over a 20"
>>>> shaft?
>>>> Thanks.
>>>> Joe Camp (poem included)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Old Scar
>>>>
>>>> JJ Camp
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> You whisper to me with every
>>>>
>>>> fleeting glimpse:
>>>>
>>>> Accusation! Guilt! Reasons!
>>>>
>>>> you should not be
>>>>
>>>> like a snake, running
>>>>
>>>> up my arm on one side, down
>>>>
>>>> the other, looking
>>>>
>>>> for a hole to hide
>>>>
>>>> you from mongoose eyes
>>>>
>>>> that know your genesis
>>>>
>>>> in my reckless past.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Twenty-plus years have faded
>>>>
>>>> you, almost to the color of flesh
>>>>
>>>> you used to be before
>>>>
>>>> they laid me down,
>>>>
>>>> opened me up to bleed
>>>>
>>>> out the bad medicine
>>>>
>>>> I remember!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> So I never use that hand
>>>>
>>>> to lift my whiskey anymore.
>>>>
>>>> Some lessons,
>>>>
>>>> I refuse to learn through pain
>>>> 2000
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> __________________________________________________
>>>> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to
>>> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
>>>>
>>>> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing
>>>> list and
>>>> archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list
>>>> __________________________________________________
>>>>
>>>
>>> __________________________________________________
>>> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to
>>> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
>>>
>>> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and
>>> archives go
>>>
>>> to http://www.rhodes22.org/list
>>> __________________________________________________
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> __________________________________________________
>>> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to
>>> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
>>>
>>> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and
>>> archives go
>>>
>>> to http://www.rhodes22.org/list
>>> __________________________________________________
>>> __________________________________________________
>>> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to
>>> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
>>>
>>> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and
>>> archives go
>>> to http://www.rhodes22.org/list
>>> __________________________________________________
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> __________________________________________________
>>> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to
>>> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
>>>
>>> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and
>>> archives go
>>> to http://www.rhodes22.org/list
>>> __________________________________________________
>>> __________________________________________________
>>> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to
>> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
>>>
>>> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and
>>> archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list
>>> __________________________________________________
>> __________________________________________________
>> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to
>> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
>>
>> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and
>> archives
> go
>> to http://www.rhodes22.org/list
>> __________________________________________________
>>
>> __________________________________________________
>> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to
>> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
>>
>> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and
>> archives
> go
>> to http://www.rhodes22.org/list
>> __________________________________________________
>
> __________________________________________________
> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to
> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
>
> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and
> archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list
> __________________________________________________
>
> No virus found in this incoming message.
> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.829 / Virus Database:
> 271.1.1/2946 - Release Date: 06/20/10 14:36:00
>
> __________________________________________________
> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to
> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
>
> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and
> archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list
> __________________________________________________
> __________________________________________________
> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to
> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
>
> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives
> go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list
> __________________________________________________
>
>
>
> __________________________________________________
> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to
> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
>
> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives
> go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list
> __________________________________________________
More information about the Rhodes22-list
mailing list