[Rhodes22-list] Positively positive flotation

[Geankoplis]

Hey Stan,
	Don't forget my similar experience when my 1st Rhodes (76) was
turned turtle and the mast driven into the mud.  All I did was pull the
cleaves pins and tabernacle bolt and voila' she rolled over like a cheap uh,
uh, I need another analogy here.  Anyway, It took two frantic guys with 5
gallon buckets a very short time to have her pretty much empty of water.
The boat with standard mast floated well above the gunnels as I remember so
bailing wasn't a problem.
Chris  da Greek G

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[mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of stan
Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 08:15
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Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Washington Sailing Marina

Thanks all for the feedback but I am still flying blind here because I am 
still missing the answer as to whether any of the 6 boats were completely 
submerged so that the deck top was under water.  I had asked that question 
to get an idea of water depth.  From what I am hearing, the Rhodes was never

completely submerged.   Were any others?

If so, that would indicate deep water and that since the Rhodes deck was 
still above water, the floatation had done its job.  If all boats had their 
decks above water that would indicate shallow depth and therefore no 
positive indication of successful floatation since the boats were sitting on

the bottom, not able to go down far enough to get to the flotation level.

I am interested in getting the hard facts because it is very expensive for 
us to conduct such tests and so we only did it once and those photos showed 
that the floatation took over when the water lever went just above the 
cockpit seat level.   We would be satisfied if the water level reaches the 
cabin roof before floatation is effective.  In the only report I recall 
hearing from an owner, attorney Paul Clevenger said that a rouge wave lifted

his boat and put it back in the water upside down and it floated and they 
disconnected the mast and were able to right it.

stan/gbi

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <mputnam1 at aol.com>
To: <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 10:30 AM
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Washington Sailing Marina


>
> My boat is at the Washington Sailing Marina and it did not go down.  I 
> asked the guys there about the storm-pushing-the-water-out theory, and 
> they assured me that did not happen. They report that all of the boats 
> that sank were overloaded with wet snow, began listing to one side, took 
> on water and went down.
>
> Mark P.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: R22RumRunner at aol.com
> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> Sent: Mon, Mar 8, 2010 6:25 am
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Washington Sailing Marina
>
>
> Stan,
> 've been wondering about this ever since it was posted that the boats went
> down. The only thing that makes sense to me is that this is a shallow
> arina and  the storm pushed the water out, allowing the boats to reach the
> ottom. Boats  without positive flotation didn't have a chance and probably
> illed with water  as the water came back in. The Rhodes had the best 
> chance of
> urvivability  because of the flotation. It was probably filled with water
> nd mud, but still  floating as the water returned.
> everal sailboats were laid over on Lake Hartwell when the water went down
> aster than the owners could move them. When the water level came back up,
> any  of these boats simply filled with water and laid on the bottom 
> waiting
> or  someone to raise them. Attached is a photo of a San Juan 25 that was
> aised  recently. It sat on the bottom for about nine months before the 
> owner
> ad her  raised.
>
> ummy
>
>
> n a message dated 3/7/2010 1:16:51 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> tan at rhodes22.com writes:
> Dave,
> I have not had a clear picture of what  happened.   Were all boats
> ompletely
> nder water or were parts  of the decks (other than the masts) still above
> ater  level?
> stan/gbi
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