[Rhodes22-list] Washington Sailing Marina

mputnam1 at aol.com mputnam1 at aol.com
Tue Mar 9 12:24:57 EST 2010 

Stan's right -- we can't know for sure if the boat was floating in the picture -- there are fairly significant tides in the marina, so who knows if it's low or high tide.  I can't find the photos to take a look at the docks relative to the land.


Mark P.





-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Cowie <ccowie at cowieassociates.com>
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Sent: Tue, Mar 9, 2010 12:25 pm
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Washington Sailing Marina


Stan:

Given the other boats floating nearby I would say that the Rhodes is floating.

Christopher P. Cowie    


4400 MacArthur Blvd, NW 
Suite 300 
Washington, DC  20007 
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On Behalf Of stan
Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2010 10:32 AM
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thanks CC - but with no indication of water depth I still can't tell if the 
boat is sitting on the bottom or if the floatation has succeeded in keeping 
the boat afloat even with all that flooding.

ss

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From: "cowie" <ccowie at cowieassociates.com>
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Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 11:29 AM
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Washington Sailing Marina


>
> Stan:
>
> I previoulsy posted a pdf file that includes two photos of the Rhodes 22 
> at
> the Washingtong Sailing Marina and she is not submerged rather flooded 
> with
> water.   I will try to post the pdf file again.
>
> http://old.nabble.com/file/p27823731/r22WSM.pdf r22WSM.pdf
>
> Cowie
> R22 2009 Opus
>
>
> stanleyl wrote:
>>
>> Thanks all for the feedback but I am still flying blind here because I am
>> still missing the answer as to whether any of the 6 boats were completely
>> submerged so that the deck top was under water.  I had asked that 
>> question
>> to get an idea of water depth.  From what I am hearing, the Rhodes was
>> never
>> completely submerged.   Were any others?
>>
>> If so, that would indicate deep water and that since the Rhodes deck was
>> still above water, the floatation had done its job.  If all boats had
>> their
>> decks above water that would indicate shallow depth and therefore no
>> positive indication of successful floatation since the boats were sitting
>> on
>> the bottom, not able to go down far enough to get to the flotation level.
>>
>> I am interested in getting the hard facts because it is very expensive 
>> for
>> us to conduct such tests and so we only did it once and those photos
>> showed
>> that the floatation took over when the water lever went just above the
>> cockpit seat level.   We would be satisfied if the water level reaches 
>> the
>> cabin roof before floatation is effective.  In the only report I recall
>> hearing from an owner, attorney Paul Clevenger said that a rouge wave
>> lifted
>> his boat and put it back in the water upside down and it floated and they
>> disconnected the mast and were able to right it.
>>
>> stan/gbi
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: <mputnam1 at aol.com>
>> To: <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 10:30 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Washington Sailing Marina
>>
>>
>>>
>>> My boat is at the Washington Sailing Marina and it did not go down.  I
>>> asked the guys there about the storm-pushing-the-water-out theory, and
>>> they assured me that did not happen. They report that all of the boats
>>> that sank were overloaded with wet snow, began listing to one side, took
>>> on water and went down.
>>>
>>> Mark P.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: R22RumRunner at aol.com
>>> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
>>> Sent: Mon, Mar 8, 2010 6:25 am
>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Washington Sailing Marina
>>>
>>>
>>> Stan,
>>> 've been wondering about this ever since it was posted that the boats
>>> went
>>> down. The only thing that makes sense to me is that this is a shallow
>>> arina and  the storm pushed the water out, allowing the boats to reach
>>> the
>>> ottom. Boats  without positive flotation didn't have a chance and
>>> probably
>>> illed with water  as the water came back in. The Rhodes had the best
>>> chance of
>>> urvivability  because of the flotation. It was probably filled with 
>>> water
>>> nd mud, but still  floating as the water returned.
>>> everal sailboats were laid over on Lake Hartwell when the water went 
>>> down
>>> aster than the owners could move them. When the water level came back 
>>> up,
>>> any  of these boats simply filled with water and laid on the bottom
>>> waiting
>>> or  someone to raise them. Attached is a photo of a San Juan 25 that was
>>> aised  recently. It sat on the bottom for about nine months before the
>>> owner
>>> ad her  raised.
>>>
>>> ummy
>>>
>>>
>>> n a message dated 3/7/2010 1:16:51 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
>>> tan at rhodes22.com writes:
>>> Dave,
>>> I have not had a clear picture of what  happened.   Were all boats
>>> ompletely
>>> nder water or were parts  of the decks (other than the masts) still 
>>> above
>>> ater  level?
>>> stan/gbi
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