[Rhodes22-list] Washington Sailing Marina

Tue Mar 9 10:44:45 EST 2010

Stan,

I think Mark did answer your question.

My boat is at the Washington Sailing Marina and it did not go down.  I asked
the guys there about the storm-pushing-the-water-out theory, and they
assured me that did not happen. They report that all of the boats that sank
were overloaded with wet snow, began listing to one side, took on water and
went down.

Mark P.

I couldn't find the photos on your website of the flotation test.  Did you
do it with the mast installed?  Was it an IMF with Sail?  From the photo of
the boat at WSM it looks like after she took on water and flooded the
cockpit, the weight of the mast cause a 90 degree roll.  I suspect that they
righted her and were then able to bail/pump her out.

Hank

On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 10:31 AM, stan <stan at rhodes22.com> wrote:

> thanks CC - but with no indication of water depth I still can't tell if the
> boat is sitting on the bottom or if the floatation has succeeded in keeping
> the boat afloat even with all that flooding.
>
> ss
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "cowie" <ccowie at cowieassociates.com>
> To: <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>  Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 11:29 AM
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Washington Sailing Marina
>
>
> >
> > Stan:
> >
> > I previoulsy posted a pdf file that includes two photos of the Rhodes 22
> > at
> > the Washingtong Sailing Marina and she is not submerged rather flooded
> > with
> > water.   I will try to post the pdf file again.
> >
> > http://old.nabble.com/file/p27823731/r22WSM.pdf r22WSM.pdf
> >
> > Cowie
> > R22 2009 Opus
> >
> >
> > stanleyl wrote:
> >>
> >> Thanks all for the feedback but I am still flying blind here because I
> am
> >> still missing the answer as to whether any of the 6 boats were
> completely
> >> submerged so that the deck top was under water.  I had asked that
> >> question
> >> to get an idea of water depth.  From what I am hearing, the Rhodes was
> >> never
> >> completely submerged.   Were any others?
> >>
> >> If so, that would indicate deep water and that since the Rhodes deck was
> >> still above water, the floatation had done its job.  If all boats had
> >> their
> >> decks above water that would indicate shallow depth and therefore no
> >> positive indication of successful floatation since the boats were
> sitting
> >> on
> >> the bottom, not able to go down far enough to get to the flotation
> level.
> >>
> >> I am interested in getting the hard facts because it is very expensive
> >> for
> >> us to conduct such tests and so we only did it once and those photos
> >> showed
> >> that the floatation took over when the water lever went just above the
> >> cockpit seat level.   We would be satisfied if the water level reaches
> >> the
> >> cabin roof before floatation is effective.  In the only report I recall
> >> hearing from an owner, attorney Paul Clevenger said that a rouge wave
> >> lifted
> >> his boat and put it back in the water upside down and it floated and
> they
> >> disconnected the mast and were able to right it.
> >>
> >> stan/gbi
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: <mputnam1 at aol.com>
> >> To: <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> >> Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 10:30 AM
> >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Washington Sailing Marina
> >>
> >>
> >>>
> >>> My boat is at the Washington Sailing Marina and it did not go down.  I
> >>> asked the guys there about the storm-pushing-the-water-out theory, and
> >>> they assured me that did not happen. They report that all of the boats
> >>> that sank were overloaded with wet snow, began listing to one side,
> took
> >>> on water and went down.
> >>>
> >>> Mark P.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: R22RumRunner at aol.com
> >>> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> >>> Sent: Mon, Mar 8, 2010 6:25 am
> >>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Washington Sailing Marina
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Stan,
> >>> 've been wondering about this ever since it was posted that the boats
> >>> went
> >>> down. The only thing that makes sense to me is that this is a shallow
> >>> arina and  the storm pushed the water out, allowing the boats to reach
> >>> the
> >>> ottom. Boats  without positive flotation didn't have a chance and
> >>> probably
> >>> illed with water  as the water came back in. The Rhodes had the best
> >>> chance of
> >>> urvivability  because of the flotation. It was probably filled with
> >>> water
> >>> nd mud, but still  floating as the water returned.
> >>> everal sailboats were laid over on Lake Hartwell when the water went
> >>> down
> >>> aster than the owners could move them. When the water level came back
> >>> up,
> >>> any  of these boats simply filled with water and laid on the bottom
> >>> waiting
> >>> or  someone to raise them. Attached is a photo of a San Juan 25 that
> was
> >>> aised  recently. It sat on the bottom for about nine months before the
> >>> owner
> >>> ad her  raised.
> >>>
> >>> ummy
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> n a message dated 3/7/2010 1:16:51 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> >>> tan at rhodes22.com writes:
> >>> Dave,
> >>> I have not had a clear picture of what  happened.   Were all boats
> >>> ompletely
> >>> nder water or were parts  of the decks (other than the masts) still
> >>> above
> >>> ater  level?
> >>> stan/gbi
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