[Rhodes22-list] Washington Sailing Marina

stan stan at rhodes22.com
Tue Mar 9 11:01:27 EST 2010 

I feel like Judge Judy - no one is answering my question of whether the 
water at those slips is deep enough so that a down boat would be under 
water.  ( I never asked and had no interest in the water in and out theory). 
I thought it was a simple question that would establish if a boat went down 
no further because it was sitting on the bottom or it went down no further 
because it was being supported at that level by floatation.

ss

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Hank" <hnw555 at gmail.com>
To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2010 10:44 AM
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Washington Sailing Marina


> Stan,
>
> I think Mark did answer your question.
>
> My boat is at the Washington Sailing Marina and it did not go down.  I 
> asked
> the guys there about the storm-pushing-the-water-out theory, and they
> assured me that did not happen. They report that all of the boats that 
> sank
> were overloaded with wet snow, began listing to one side, took on water 
> and
> went down.
>
> Mark P.
>
> I couldn't find the photos on your website of the flotation test.  Did you
> do it with the mast installed?  Was it an IMF with Sail?  From the photo 
> of
> the boat at WSM it looks like after she took on water and flooded the
> cockpit, the weight of the mast cause a 90 degree roll.  I suspect that 
> they
> righted her and were then able to bail/pump her out.
>
> Hank
>
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 10:31 AM, stan <stan at rhodes22.com> wrote:
>
>> thanks CC - but with no indication of water depth I still can't tell if 
>> the
>> boat is sitting on the bottom or if the floatation has succeeded in 
>> keeping
>> the boat afloat even with all that flooding.
>>
>> ss
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "cowie" <ccowie at cowieassociates.com>
>> To: <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>  Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 11:29 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Washington Sailing Marina
>>
>>
>> >
>> > Stan:
>> >
>> > I previoulsy posted a pdf file that includes two photos of the Rhodes 
>> > 22
>> > at
>> > the Washingtong Sailing Marina and she is not submerged rather flooded
>> > with
>> > water.   I will try to post the pdf file again.
>> >
>> > http://old.nabble.com/file/p27823731/r22WSM.pdf r22WSM.pdf
>> >
>> > Cowie
>> > R22 2009 Opus
>> >
>> >
>> > stanleyl wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Thanks all for the feedback but I am still flying blind here because I
>> am
>> >> still missing the answer as to whether any of the 6 boats were
>> completely
>> >> submerged so that the deck top was under water.  I had asked that
>> >> question
>> >> to get an idea of water depth.  From what I am hearing, the Rhodes was
>> >> never
>> >> completely submerged.   Were any others?
>> >>
>> >> If so, that would indicate deep water and that since the Rhodes deck 
>> >> was
>> >> still above water, the floatation had done its job.  If all boats had
>> >> their
>> >> decks above water that would indicate shallow depth and therefore no
>> >> positive indication of successful floatation since the boats were
>> sitting
>> >> on
>> >> the bottom, not able to go down far enough to get to the flotation
>> level.
>> >>
>> >> I am interested in getting the hard facts because it is very expensive
>> >> for
>> >> us to conduct such tests and so we only did it once and those photos
>> >> showed
>> >> that the floatation took over when the water lever went just above the
>> >> cockpit seat level.   We would be satisfied if the water level reaches
>> >> the
>> >> cabin roof before floatation is effective.  In the only report I 
>> >> recall
>> >> hearing from an owner, attorney Paul Clevenger said that a rouge wave
>> >> lifted
>> >> his boat and put it back in the water upside down and it floated and
>> they
>> >> disconnected the mast and were able to right it.
>> >>
>> >> stan/gbi
>> >>
>> >> ----- Original Message -----
>> >> From: <mputnam1 at aol.com>
>> >> To: <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> >> Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 10:30 AM
>> >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Washington Sailing Marina
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>>
>> >>> My boat is at the Washington Sailing Marina and it did not go down. 
>> >>> I
>> >>> asked the guys there about the storm-pushing-the-water-out theory, 
>> >>> and
>> >>> they assured me that did not happen. They report that all of the 
>> >>> boats
>> >>> that sank were overloaded with wet snow, began listing to one side,
>> took
>> >>> on water and went down.
>> >>>
>> >>> Mark P.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> -----Original Message-----
>> >>> From: R22RumRunner at aol.com
>> >>> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
>> >>> Sent: Mon, Mar 8, 2010 6:25 am
>> >>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Washington Sailing Marina
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> Stan,
>> >>> 've been wondering about this ever since it was posted that the boats
>> >>> went
>> >>> down. The only thing that makes sense to me is that this is a shallow
>> >>> arina and  the storm pushed the water out, allowing the boats to 
>> >>> reach
>> >>> the
>> >>> ottom. Boats  without positive flotation didn't have a chance and
>> >>> probably
>> >>> illed with water  as the water came back in. The Rhodes had the best
>> >>> chance of
>> >>> urvivability  because of the flotation. It was probably filled with
>> >>> water
>> >>> nd mud, but still  floating as the water returned.
>> >>> everal sailboats were laid over on Lake Hartwell when the water went
>> >>> down
>> >>> aster than the owners could move them. When the water level came back
>> >>> up,
>> >>> any  of these boats simply filled with water and laid on the bottom
>> >>> waiting
>> >>> or  someone to raise them. Attached is a photo of a San Juan 25 that
>> was
>> >>> aised  recently. It sat on the bottom for about nine months before 
>> >>> the
>> >>> owner
>> >>> ad her  raised.
>> >>>
>> >>> ummy
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> n a message dated 3/7/2010 1:16:51 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
>> >>> tan at rhodes22.com writes:
>> >>> Dave,
>> >>> I have not had a clear picture of what  happened.   Were all boats
>> >>> ompletely
>> >>> nder water or were parts  of the decks (other than the masts) still
>> >>> above
>> >>> ater  level?
>> >>> stan/gbi
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