[Rhodes22-list] Washington Sailing Marina

Hank hnw555 at gmail.com
Tue Mar 9 11:06:03 EST 2010 

Stan,

Maybe nobody knows for sure.  Give the Marina a call and ask them.

Hank

On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 11:01 AM, stan <stan at rhodes22.com> wrote:

> I feel like Judge Judy - no one is answering my question of whether the
> water at those slips is deep enough so that a down boat would be under
> water.  ( I never asked and had no interest in the water in and out
> theory).
> I thought it was a simple question that would establish if a boat went down
> no further because it was sitting on the bottom or it went down no further
> because it was being supported at that level by floatation.
>
> ss
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Hank" <hnw555 at gmail.com>
> To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2010 10:44 AM
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Washington Sailing Marina
>
>
> > Stan,
> >
> > I think Mark did answer your question.
> >
> > My boat is at the Washington Sailing Marina and it did not go down.  I
> > asked
> > the guys there about the storm-pushing-the-water-out theory, and they
> > assured me that did not happen. They report that all of the boats that
> > sank
> > were overloaded with wet snow, began listing to one side, took on water
> > and
> > went down.
> >
> > Mark P.
> >
> > I couldn't find the photos on your website of the flotation test.  Did
> you
> > do it with the mast installed?  Was it an IMF with Sail?  From the photo
> > of
> > the boat at WSM it looks like after she took on water and flooded the
> > cockpit, the weight of the mast cause a 90 degree roll.  I suspect that
> > they
> > righted her and were then able to bail/pump her out.
> >
> > Hank
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 10:31 AM, stan <stan at rhodes22.com> wrote:
> >
> >> thanks CC - but with no indication of water depth I still can't tell if
> >> the
> >> boat is sitting on the bottom or if the floatation has succeeded in
> >> keeping
> >> the boat afloat even with all that flooding.
> >>
> >> ss
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "cowie" <ccowie at cowieassociates.com>
> >> To: <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> >>  Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 11:29 AM
> >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Washington Sailing Marina
> >>
> >>
> >> >
> >> > Stan:
> >> >
> >> > I previoulsy posted a pdf file that includes two photos of the Rhodes
> >> > 22
> >> > at
> >> > the Washingtong Sailing Marina and she is not submerged rather flooded
> >> > with
> >> > water.   I will try to post the pdf file again.
> >> >
> >> > http://old.nabble.com/file/p27823731/r22WSM.pdf r22WSM.pdf
> >> >
> >> > Cowie
> >> > R22 2009 Opus
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > stanleyl wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> Thanks all for the feedback but I am still flying blind here because
> I
> >> am
> >> >> still missing the answer as to whether any of the 6 boats were
> >> completely
> >> >> submerged so that the deck top was under water.  I had asked that
> >> >> question
> >> >> to get an idea of water depth.  From what I am hearing, the Rhodes
> was
> >> >> never
> >> >> completely submerged.   Were any others?
> >> >>
> >> >> If so, that would indicate deep water and that since the Rhodes deck
> >> >> was
> >> >> still above water, the floatation had done its job.  If all boats had
> >> >> their
> >> >> decks above water that would indicate shallow depth and therefore no
> >> >> positive indication of successful floatation since the boats were
> >> sitting
> >> >> on
> >> >> the bottom, not able to go down far enough to get to the flotation
> >> level.
> >> >>
> >> >> I am interested in getting the hard facts because it is very
> expensive
> >> >> for
> >> >> us to conduct such tests and so we only did it once and those photos
> >> >> showed
> >> >> that the floatation took over when the water lever went just above
> the
> >> >> cockpit seat level.   We would be satisfied if the water level
> reaches
> >> >> the
> >> >> cabin roof before floatation is effective.  In the only report I
> >> >> recall
> >> >> hearing from an owner, attorney Paul Clevenger said that a rouge wave
> >> >> lifted
> >> >> his boat and put it back in the water upside down and it floated and
> >> they
> >> >> disconnected the mast and were able to right it.
> >> >>
> >> >> stan/gbi
> >> >>
> >> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> >> From: <mputnam1 at aol.com>
> >> >> To: <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> >> >> Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 10:30 AM
> >> >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Washington Sailing Marina
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>>
> >> >>> My boat is at the Washington Sailing Marina and it did not go down.
> >> >>> I
> >> >>> asked the guys there about the storm-pushing-the-water-out theory,
> >> >>> and
> >> >>> they assured me that did not happen. They report that all of the
> >> >>> boats
> >> >>> that sank were overloaded with wet snow, began listing to one side,
> >> took
> >> >>> on water and went down.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Mark P.
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >> >>> From: R22RumRunner at aol.com
> >> >>> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> >> >>> Sent: Mon, Mar 8, 2010 6:25 am
> >> >>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Washington Sailing Marina
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Stan,
> >> >>> 've been wondering about this ever since it was posted that the
> boats
> >> >>> went
> >> >>> down. The only thing that makes sense to me is that this is a
> shallow
> >> >>> arina and  the storm pushed the water out, allowing the boats to
> >> >>> reach
> >> >>> the
> >> >>> ottom. Boats  without positive flotation didn't have a chance and
> >> >>> probably
> >> >>> illed with water  as the water came back in. The Rhodes had the best
> >> >>> chance of
> >> >>> urvivability  because of the flotation. It was probably filled with
> >> >>> water
> >> >>> nd mud, but still  floating as the water returned.
> >> >>> everal sailboats were laid over on Lake Hartwell when the water went
> >> >>> down
> >> >>> aster than the owners could move them. When the water level came
> back
> >> >>> up,
> >> >>> any  of these boats simply filled with water and laid on the bottom
> >> >>> waiting
> >> >>> or  someone to raise them. Attached is a photo of a San Juan 25 that
> >> was
> >> >>> aised  recently. It sat on the bottom for about nine months before
> >> >>> the
> >> >>> owner
> >> >>> ad her  raised.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> ummy
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>> n a message dated 3/7/2010 1:16:51 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> >> >>> tan at rhodes22.com writes:
> >> >>> Dave,
> >> >>> I have not had a clear picture of what  happened.   Were all boats
> >> >>> ompletely
> >> >>> nder water or were parts  of the decks (other than the masts) still
> >> >>> above
> >> >>> ater  level?
> >> >>> stan/gbi
> >> >>>
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