[Rhodes22-list] Tampa Bay
Captainpy
captainpy at verizon.net
Wed Mar 10 09:08:04 EST 2010
If you have never been to Tampa bay, A nice quick stop is at beer can
Island. Phil and I had gone there on a Pontoon a couple years ago from Mc
Dill Airbase. There is a dock there you can pull up to. It looks very
similar To the one in the movie Castaway with Tom Hanks. It is not very
large and you can walk around its perimeter in about 15-20 mins. I walked
along the Beach a few feet out into the water and had some shrimp scurry
across my toes.
Deena
-----Original Message-----
From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
[mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of
rhodes22-list-request at rhodes22.org
Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2010 12:00 PM
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
Subject: Rhodes22-list Digest, Vol 2146, Issue 1
Send Rhodes22-list mailing list submissions to
rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit
http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to
rhodes22-list-request at rhodes22.org
You can reach the person managing the list at
rhodes22-list-owner at rhodes22.org
When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific
than "Re: Contents of Rhodes22-list digest..."
Today's Topics:
1. Re: Washington Sailing Marina (John Lock)
2. Re: Diamond Board Depth (Bob Keller)
3. Re: Tampa Bay area mini cruise (Bob Keller)
4. Re: Diamond Board Depth (cowie)
5. Re: Diamond Board Depth (Leland)
6. Re: Diamond Board Depth (Rick)
7. Re: Submerged Rhodes (Rick)
8. Re: Tampa Bay area mini cruise (Mike Cheung)
9. Re: Diamond Board Depth (Mary Lou Troy)
10. Re: Positively positive flotation (Geankoplis)
11. Re: Rhodes22-list Digest, Vol 2145, Issue 1 (Eugene D McGee)
12. Re: Rhodes22-list Digest, Vol 2145, Issue 1 (stan)
13. Re: Positively positive flotation (KUHN, LELAND)
14. Re: Washington Sailing Marina (stan)
15. Re: Washington Sailing Marina (Hank)
16. Re: Washington Sailing Marina (Mary Lou Troy)
17. Re: Washington Sailing Marina (stan)
18. Re: Washington Sailing Marina (Hank)
19. Re: Diamond Board Depth (Rick)
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Message: 1
Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2010 12:12:50 -0500
From: John Lock <jlock at relevantarts.com>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Washington Sailing Marina
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Message-ID: <EF4FA90D-AA00-437D-91E2-7126B18CE699 at relevantarts.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes
If I recall from the photos, she was over on the port side. So not
likely to be the sink drain, since that's on the starboard side (for
most of us anyway) and would have been well above the waterline when
listing to port.
Cheers!
John Lock
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
s/v Pandion - '79 Rhodes 22
Lake Sinclair, GA
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
On Mar 8, 2010, at 11:28, Mary Lou Troy wrote:
> Thanks for the input Mark. Still surprised that a R22 would go so far
> over but if the cockpit drains were blocked water could get into the
> cabin. If it listed far enough water could come in through the sink
> drain. The way the boat was tied may also have interfered with it's
> ability to remain level or to recover.
>
> Thanks again,
> Mary Lou
------------------------------
Message: 2
Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2010 16:23:07 -0500
From: Bob Keller <r22yankeeclipper at hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Diamond Board Depth
To: <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Message-ID: <SNT131-w28694B6880D13E66CFDAEBD1350 at phx.gbl>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
Looks to me as if it is all the way down.
BK
> Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2010 05:30:26 -0800
> From: ccowie at cowieassociates.com
> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Diamond Board Depth
>
>
> I took advantage of the warm weather this weekend and got my boat ready
for
> the spring launch. With my boat up on jacks I was able to lower the
diamond
> board all the way and took some measurements. I measure 24" from the keel
> to the bottom of diamond board and also measure 4-3" to 4'-6" from the
water
> line to the bottom of the diamond board. My question is this: is my
> diamond board all the way down at 24"? I think it is as this seems to
> match photos on the GB web site but just want to make sure. The older
style
> center board seems to be deeper? Also if the water line to bottom of
> diamond board is 4'-3" less 24" when the board is up then the draft is
about
> 2'-3" not 20" noted on the GB site? Does the advertised 20" asume a slight
> heel? Enclosed are some images for reference.
>
> http://old.nabble.com/file/p27819957/illustration_02.jpg
illustration_02.jpg
>
> Cowie
> Opus 2009
> --
> View this message in context:
http://old.nabble.com/Diamond-Board-Depth-tp27819957p27819957.html
> Sent from the Rhodes 22 mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
>
> __________________________________________________
> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to
http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
>
> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go
to http://www.rhodes22.org/list
> __________________________________________________
_________________________________________________________________
Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free.
http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469229/direct/01/
------------------------------
Message: 3
Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2010 16:30:35 -0500
From: Bob Keller <r22yankeeclipper at hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Tampa Bay area mini cruise
To: <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Message-ID: <SNT131-w5E5B01D69D0D2CAF472A1D1350 at phx.gbl>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
Mike,
Sounds like a good trip. Please post your trip log when you return. Not a
real log, just what you did, where you sailed and how were the anchorages,
marinas, restaurants, bars and beaches along the way. We are considering
going to the Tampa area for an R-22 trailersailing trip as it is only 5
hours drive from us, but we always drive past there and go to Punta Gorda
further south. Let me know how it goes and how it is to sail around there.
Thanks and good luck.
Bob K
> Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2010 08:08:47 -0800
> From: mikecheung at att.net
> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Tampa Bay area mini cruise
>
>
> My Admiral and I are bareboating a Beneteau 323 out of St Pete next week
on a
> 3 day / 2 night mini cruise. To make this Rhodes relevant, it was a close
> call between bareboating and towing our Rhodes, s/v Muireann, down. And,
in
> more Rhodes relevance, our owning a 22' sailboat along with some ASA
courses
> completed before we got Muireann made bareboating easy. In the end, taking
> our Mooney 231 down and bareboating won out over driving, this time. It
was
> close, but we're a little pressed for time so the 5 hour trip using the
> Mooney won out over a probably 20 hour or more trip towing Muireann to FL.
>
> Anyway, our plans aren't firm yet, but the basic idea, assuming the
weather
> cooperates, is to visit Egmont Key day one, spend night one on the hook in
> or near the Manatee River, and "play it be ear" for day two/ night two,
> possibly returning to St Pete to hit the restaurants or spending another
> night on the hook probably somewhere along the south side of Tampa Bay.
>
> Any "must see" or "must sail" stuff that we should be considering?
>
> Mike Cheung, s/v Muireann
>
> -----
> Mike Cheung
> s/v Muireann 1993/2008 Rhodes 22
> --
> View this message in context:
http://old.nabble.com/Tampa-Bay-area-mini-cruise-tp27823435p27823435.html
> Sent from the Rhodes 22 mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
>
> __________________________________________________
> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to
http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
>
> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go
to http://www.rhodes22.org/list
> __________________________________________________
_________________________________________________________________
Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft.
http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469230/direct/01/
------------------------------
Message: 4
Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2010 14:41:56 -0800 (PST)
From: cowie <ccowie at cowieassociates.com>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Diamond Board Depth
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
Message-ID: <27828783.post at talk.nabble.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
Bob:
Thanks, I was hoping someone would tell me the board is only half way down
and that by lowering it all the way I would improve my ability to point
higher into the wind. Suppose I just need to learn to adjust my sails
better. I seem to only be able to come to within about 50-60 degrees of the
apparent wind when beating. Enclosed is a trip I recorded last year on my
iphone and then imported to cad in order to do a crude set of measurements.
The average angle off the wind for the trip is about 54 degrees. According
to Wikipedia, see page two of the enclosed pdf file, that?s about average
for a shallow draft boat. At least it's better than 90 degrees for a square
rigger; otherwise we would never get anywhere.
http://old.nabble.com/file/p27828783/trip_01.pdf trip_01.pdf
Bob Keller wrote:
>
>
> Looks to me as if it is all the way down.
>
> BK
>
>> Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2010 05:30:26 -0800
>> From: ccowie at cowieassociates.com
>> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Diamond Board Depth
>>
>>
>> I took advantage of the warm weather this weekend and got my boat ready
>> for
>> the spring launch. With my boat up on jacks I was able to lower the
>> diamond
>> board all the way and took some measurements. I measure 24" from the keel
>> to the bottom of diamond board and also measure 4-3" to 4'-6" from the
>> water
>> line to the bottom of the diamond board. My question is this: is my
>> diamond board all the way down at 24"? I think it is as this seems to
>> match photos on the GB web site but just want to make sure. The older
>> style
>> center board seems to be deeper? Also if the water line to bottom of
>> diamond board is 4'-3" less 24" when the board is up then the draft is
>> about
>> 2'-3" not 20" noted on the GB site? Does the advertised 20" asume a
>> slight
>> heel? Enclosed are some images for reference.
>>
>> http://old.nabble.com/file/p27819957/illustration_02.jpg
>> illustration_02.jpg
>>
>> Cowie
>> Opus 2009
>> --
>> View this message in context:
>> http://old.nabble.com/Diamond-Board-Depth-tp27819957p27819957.html
>> Sent from the Rhodes 22 mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
>>
>> __________________________________________________
>> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to
>> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
>>
>> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go
>> to http://www.rhodes22.org/list
>> __________________________________________________
>
> _________________________________________________________________
> Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free.
> http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469229/direct/01/
> __________________________________________________
> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to
> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
>
> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go
> to http://www.rhodes22.org/list
> __________________________________________________
>
>
--
View this message in context:
http://old.nabble.com/Diamond-Board-Depth-tp27819957p27828783.html
Sent from the Rhodes 22 mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
------------------------------
Message: 5
Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2010 15:33:20 -0800 (PST)
From: Leland <LKUHN at cnmc.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Diamond Board Depth
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
Message-ID: <27829335.post at talk.nabble.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
Chris,
Several years ago I measured 45 degrees in a 12 knot wind, serious chop,
full main pulled tight with the traveler centered, board down, boom down,
hands-free with the tiller locked. The Genoa sheets were run across the
cabin top between the inside shrouds and mast so the headsail was pulled
tight to almost 100%.
I'm certainly no expert but to get the Genoa tight enough for good pointing
it seems like you need to run the sheets as close to the inside as possible.
I frequently run them between the inside and outside shrouds across the deck
and am guessing that I'm still not hitting 50 degrees into the wind. Having
the board down only helps until your sails start luffing.
I'd love to hear some other opinions on this. It wouldn't be the first time
I've been wrong on my sailing advice. :)
Lee
1986 Rhodes22 AT EASE
Kent Island, MD
cowie wrote:
>
> Bob:
>
> Thanks, I was hoping someone would tell me the board is only half way down
> and that by lowering it all the way I would improve my ability to point
> higher into the wind. Suppose I just need to learn to adjust my sails
> better. I seem to only be able to come to within about 50-60 degrees of
> the apparent wind when beating. Enclosed is a trip I recorded last year
> on my iphone and then imported to cad in order to do a crude set of
> measurements. The average angle off the wind for the trip is about 54
> degrees. According to Wikipedia, see page two of the enclosed pdf file,
> that?s about average for a shallow draft boat. At least it's better than
> 90 degrees for a square rigger; otherwise we would never get anywhere.
>
> http://old.nabble.com/file/p27828783/trip_01.pdf trip_01.pdf
>
>
> Bob Keller wrote:
>>
>>
>> Looks to me as if it is all the way down.
>>
>> BK
>>
>>> Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2010 05:30:26 -0800
>>> From: ccowie at cowieassociates.com
>>> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
>>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Diamond Board Depth
>>>
>>>
>>> I took advantage of the warm weather this weekend and got my boat ready
>>> for
>>> the spring launch. With my boat up on jacks I was able to lower the
>>> diamond
>>> board all the way and took some measurements. I measure 24" from the
>>> keel
>>> to the bottom of diamond board and also measure 4-3" to 4'-6" from the
>>> water
>>> line to the bottom of the diamond board. My question is this: is my
>>> diamond board all the way down at 24"? I think it is as this seems to
>>> match photos on the GB web site but just want to make sure. The older
>>> style
>>> center board seems to be deeper? Also if the water line to bottom of
>>> diamond board is 4'-3" less 24" when the board is up then the draft is
>>> about
>>> 2'-3" not 20" noted on the GB site? Does the advertised 20" asume a
>>> slight
>>> heel? Enclosed are some images for reference.
>>>
>>> http://old.nabble.com/file/p27819957/illustration_02.jpg
>>> illustration_02.jpg
>>>
>>> Cowie
>>> Opus 2009
>>> --
>>> View this message in context:
>>> http://old.nabble.com/Diamond-Board-Depth-tp27819957p27819957.html
>>> Sent from the Rhodes 22 mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
>>>
>>> __________________________________________________
>>> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to
>>> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
>>>
>>> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives
>>> go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list
>>> __________________________________________________
>>
>> _________________________________________________________________
>> Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free.
>> http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469229/direct/01/
>> __________________________________________________
>> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to
>> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
>>
>> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go
>> to http://www.rhodes22.org/list
>> __________________________________________________
>>
>>
>
>
--
View this message in context:
http://old.nabble.com/Diamond-Board-Depth-tp27819957p27829335.html
Sent from the Rhodes 22 mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
------------------------------
Message: 6
Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2010 19:45:56 -0500
From: Rick <sloopblueheron at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Diamond Board Depth
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Message-ID:
<52e9a141003081645s6652b977u350576bfa128340b at mail.gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
Chris,
I don't see your turning block. Mine is always exposed when my boat is on
the lift
--handy for inspecting. So unless the picture just doesn't show the block,
I would say you need to move your stop knot a bit down the hauling line.
Rick
On Mon, Mar 8, 2010 at 8:30 AM, cowie <ccowie at cowieassociates.com> wrote:
>
> I took advantage of the warm weather this weekend and got my boat ready
for
> the spring launch. With my boat up on jacks I was able to lower the
> diamond
> board all the way and took some measurements. I measure 24" from the keel
> to the bottom of diamond board and also measure 4-3" to 4'-6" from the
> water
> line to the bottom of the diamond board. My question is this: is my
> diamond board all the way down at 24"? I think it is as this seems to
> match photos on the GB web site but just want to make sure. The older
> style
> center board seems to be deeper? Also if the water line to bottom of
> diamond board is 4'-3" less 24" when the board is up then the draft is
> about
> 2'-3" not 20" noted on the GB site? Does the advertised 20" asume a
slight
> heel? Enclosed are some images for reference.
>
>
http://old.nabble.com/file/p27819957/illustration_02.jpgillustration_02.jpg
>
> Cowie
> Opus 2009
> --
> View this message in context:
> http://old.nabble.com/Diamond-Board-Depth-tp27819957p27819957.html
> Sent from the Rhodes 22 mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
>
> __________________________________________________
> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to
> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
>
> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go
> to http://www.rhodes22.org/list
> __________________________________________________
>
------------------------------
Message: 7
Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2010 20:16:44 -0500
From: Rick <sloopblueheron at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Submerged Rhodes
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Message-ID:
<52e9a141003081716q5fc40224s7c126767858a8b3d at mail.gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
Derek,
Sorry, I misread your question. The blue is pretty pale.
Rick
On Mon, Mar 8, 2010 at 7:37 AM, Derek Dodson <ddodson at ebcc.com> wrote:
> I understand about the Teflon and copper but I also want a dark blue
> bottom. Right now my Rhodes is aqua green and that is not my choice of
> color. I know you really can't see that much when it is in water but most
of
> time it is on trailer.
>
> Derek Dodson
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org [mailto:
> rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Rick
> Sent: Friday, March 05, 2010 8:11 PM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Submerged Rhodes
>
> Derek,
>
> The color makes no difference. Its all about the teflon and copper oxide.
>
> Rummy,
>
> I doubt there is anything worse than Lake Erie gunk. It even includes
> zebra
> and quagire mussels. With VC17, it just power washes off once a year.
>
> I know a guy who smuggles VC17 into Florida to paint his boat docked in
> brackish water where ocean mussels grow. (VC17 is not legal in every
> state.)
>
> Rick
>
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 9:31 AM, Derek Dodson <ddodson at ebcc.com> wrote:
>
> > I have to do a bottom paint job on my Rhodes. Has anyone used the V17
> blue
> > and if so is it a dark blue or light blue?
> >
> > Derek
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org [mailto:
> > rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of R22RumRunner at aol.com
> > Sent: Friday, March 05, 2010 5:52 AM
> > To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Submerged Rhodes
> >
> > Rick,
> > I already have the best bottom paint for this lake, but as stated, Lake
> > Hartwell slime is impervious to almost every brand available. I will
> still
> > need to scrape the bottom (lightly) at least once a year.
> >
> > Rummy
> >
> >
> > In a message dated 3/4/2010 8:14:44 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> > sloopblueheron at gmail.com writes:
> >
> > Rummy,
> >
> > Save yourself the cost and aggrivation of a floating dock and paint the
> > bottom with VC17.
> >
> > Rick
> >
> > On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 3:22 PM, <R22RumRunner at aol.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Stan,
> > > That's just one more reason for me to convince the admiral that we
> need
> > a
> > > float for the R22 as well as her run about. The last time I checked,
> > they
> > > ran around $5,000.00 installed, but it sure would be nice to get her
> up
> > > and
> > > out of the water. Even with bottom paint, Lake Hartwell can leave a
> > nasty
> > > stripe around the water line.
> > >
> > > Rummy
> > >
> > >
> > > In a message dated 3/4/2010 3:05:30 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> > > stan at rhodes22.com writes:
> > >
> > > your and Rummy of course are correct - I think that is a shallow
> water
> > way
> > > and might theorize that the snow load was enough to push it down
> enough
> > to
> > > bed the keel in the mud (the self bailers would have been clogged)
> and
> > > once
> > > full of water it did not take much resistance to keep it down?
> > >
> > > ss
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Michael D. Weisner" <mweisner at ebsmed.com>
> > > To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > > Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2010 2:54 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Submerged Rhodes
> > >
> > >
> > > > Stan,
> > > >
> > > > I thought that ice floats on water? If the ice caused
submersion,
> > it
> > > > would
> > > > only be until it starts to float (hull might be under but not on
> > > bottom.)
> > > >
> > > > Mike
> > > > s/v Shanghai'd Summer ('81)
> > > > Nissequogue River, NY
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > From: "stan" Thursday, March 04, 2010 2:05 PM
> > > >> believe it - I think 6 went down and at least one was a Rhodes
> > > >>
> > > >> the weight of the ice was more than the floatation could handle.
> > > >>
> > > >> ss
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> ----- Original Message -----
> > > >> From: <R22RumRunner at aol.com>
> > > >> To: <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > > >> Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2010 1:58 PM
> > > >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Submerged Rhodes
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>> Marlan,
> > > >>> I have trouble believing that this is a Rhodes 22. R22's don't
> > sink.
> > > >>> They
> > > >>> are built with positive flotation.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Rummy
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>> In a message dated 3/3/2010 12:21:18 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> > > >>> marlangreen at hotmail.com writes:
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>> This was sent out through my sailing club. Washingotn Sailing
> > Marina
> > > is
> > > >>> on
> > > >>> the Virginia side of the Potomac. I'm not sure if this is a
> Rhodes
> > or
> > > >>> not.
> > > >>> If it is will anyone out there save it?
> > > >>>
> > > >>> See attached document for photos
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Marlan
> > > >>> Message:
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Per discussions with Washington Sailing Marina (WSM) there
> > > >>> is still one boat down (see pic #1 and #2 on this page). It
may
> > be
> > > a
> > > >>> Rhodes
> > > >>> 22? Of recent vintage with ballpark before storm values of 5k
or
> > 10k
> > > or
> > > >>> even
> > > >>> 20k.
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>> At the going rate of 20 per foot for diver salvage the
> > > >>> insurance company may be looking at the cost of salvaging for 4
> or
> > 5k
> > > a
> > > >>> boat
> > > >>> which may only now be worth much less.
> > > >>> This may be an opportunity for a SCOW member to make an offer
on
> > this
> > > >>> boat. Per WSM a sealed letter could be
> > > >>> mailed to the slip holder. It may say
> > > >>> something akin to ? ?I?m willing to pay _____ (amount) for
this
> > boat?
> > > .
> > > >>> Note also that slip fees are due on this slip
> > > >>> on April 1st, 2010.
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
_________________________________________________________________
> > > >>> Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection.
> > > >>> http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469227/direct/01/
> > > >>> __________________________________________________
> > > >>> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to
> > > >>> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
> > > >>>
> > > >>> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and
> > > archives
> > > >>> go
> > > >>> to http://www.rhodes22.org/list
> > > >>> __________________________________________________
> > > >>> __________________________________________________
> > > >>> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to
> > > >>> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
> > > >>>
> > > >>> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and
> > archives
> > >
> > > >>> go
> > > >>> to http://www.rhodes22.org/list
> > > >>> __________________________________________________
> > > >>>
> > > >>
> > > >> __________________________________________________
> > > >> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to
> > > >> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
> > > >>
> > > >> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and
> > archives
> > > go
> > > >> to http://www.rhodes22.org/list
> > > >> __________________________________________________
> > > >>
> > > >
> > > > __________________________________________________
> > > > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to
> > > > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
> > > >
> > > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and
> > archives
> > > go
> > > > to http://www.rhodes22.org/list
> > > > __________________________________________________
> > > >
> > >
> > > __________________________________________________
> > > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to
> > > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
> > >
> > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and
> archives
> > go
> > > to http://www.rhodes22.org/list
> > > __________________________________________________
> > > __________________________________________________
> > > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to
> > > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
> > >
> > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and
archives
> > go
> > > to http://www.rhodes22.org/list
> > > __________________________________________________
> > >
> > __________________________________________________
> > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to
> > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
> >
> > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives
> go
> > to http://www.rhodes22.org/list
> > __________________________________________________
> > __________________________________________________
> > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to
> > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
> >
> > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives
go
> > to http://www.rhodes22.org/list
> > __________________________________________________
> >
> >
> > __________________________________________________
> > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to
> > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
> >
> > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives
go
> > to http://www.rhodes22.org/list
> > __________________________________________________
> >
> __________________________________________________
> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to
> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
>
> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go
> to http://www.rhodes22.org/list
> __________________________________________________
>
>
> __________________________________________________
> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to
> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
>
> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go
> to http://www.rhodes22.org/list
> __________________________________________________
>
------------------------------
Message: 8
Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2010 17:29:38 -0800 (PST)
From: Mike Cheung <mikecheung at att.net>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Tampa Bay area mini cruise
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
Message-ID: <27830223.post at talk.nabble.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Bob ... will do. And as much as we're looking forward to having the 323 to
play with; I envy you the opportunity to ply those waters in an R22.
Judging from some of the sounding's, you'll have less to "sweat" than we
will with the 323 as we pick our way into the anchorage behind De Soto
point. Not to worry, we'll get Muireann down there sooner or later; our son
is at USF for the next few years. If we had three more days, we'd be towing
Muireann down there for sure, but we're a little jammed up for time and the
Mooney is whispering "choose me".
Mike
Bob Keller wrote:
>
>
> Mike,
>
> Sounds like a good trip. Please post your trip log when you return. Not
> a real log, just what you did, where you sailed and how were the
> anchorages, marinas, restaurants, bars and beaches along the way. We are
> considering going to the Tampa area for an R-22 trailersailing trip as it
> is only 5 hours drive from us, but we always drive past there and go to
> Punta Gorda further south. Let me know how it goes and how it is to sail
> around there.
>
> Thanks and good luck.
>
> Bob K
>
> _
>
>
-----
Mike Cheung
s/v Muireann 1993/2008 Rhodes 22
--
View this message in context:
http://old.nabble.com/Tampa-Bay-area-mini-cruise-tp27823435p27830223.html
Sent from the Rhodes 22 mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
------------------------------
Message: 9
Date: Mon, 08 Mar 2010 21:11:47 -0500
From: Mary Lou Troy <mtroy at atlanticbb.net>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Diamond Board Depth
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Message-ID: <B9.46.21991.E6EA59B4 at BL-106>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed
What turning block? Is it on the board itself? I know there are a lot
variations. Ours is a direct lift. No blocks.
Mary Lou
At 07:45 PM 3/8/2010, you wrote:
>Chris,
>
>I don't see your turning block. Mine is always exposed when my boat is on
>the lift
>--handy for inspecting. So unless the picture just doesn't show the block,
>I would say you need to move your stop knot a bit down the hauling line.
>
>Rick
>
>On Mon, Mar 8, 2010 at 8:30 AM, cowie <ccowie at cowieassociates.com> wrote:
>
> >
> > I took advantage of the warm weather this weekend and got my boat ready
for
> > the spring launch. With my boat up on jacks I was able to lower the
> > diamond
> > board all the way and took some measurements. I measure 24" from the
keel
> > to the bottom of diamond board and also measure 4-3" to 4'-6" from the
> > water
> > line to the bottom of the diamond board. My question is this: is my
> > diamond board all the way down at 24"? I think it is as this seems to
> > match photos on the GB web site but just want to make sure. The older
> > style
> > center board seems to be deeper? Also if the water line to bottom of
> > diamond board is 4'-3" less 24" when the board is up then the draft is
> > about
> > 2'-3" not 20" noted on the GB site? Does the advertised 20" asume a
slight
> > heel? Enclosed are some images for reference.
> >
> >
http://old.nabble.com/file/p27819957/illustration_02.jpgillustration_02.jpg
> >
> > Cowie
> > Opus 2009
> > --
> > View this message in context:
> > http://old.nabble.com/Diamond-Board-Depth-tp27819957p27819957.html
> > Sent from the Rhodes 22 mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
> >
> > __________________________________________________
> > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to
> > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
> >
> > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives
go
> > to http://www.rhodes22.org/list
> > __________________________________________________
> >
>__________________________________________________
>To subscribe/unsubscribe go to
>http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
>
>For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and
>archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list
>__________________________________________________
>
>No virus found in this incoming message.
>Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
>Version: 9.0.733 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2730 - Release Date:
>03/08/10 02:34:00
------------------------------
Message: 10
Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2010 18:44:01 -0800
From: "Geankoplis" <napoli68 at charter.net>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Positively positive flotation
To: "'The Rhodes 22 Email List'" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Message-ID: <000001cabf32$60f8f980$22eaec80$@net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Hey Stan,
Don't forget my similar experience when my 1st Rhodes (76) was
turned turtle and the mast driven into the mud. All I did was pull the
cleaves pins and tabernacle bolt and voila' she rolled over like a cheap uh,
uh, I need another analogy here. Anyway, It took two frantic guys with 5
gallon buckets a very short time to have her pretty much empty of water.
The boat with standard mast floated well above the gunnels as I remember so
bailing wasn't a problem.
Chris da Greek G
-----Original Message-----
From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
[mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of stan
Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 08:15
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Washington Sailing Marina
Thanks all for the feedback but I am still flying blind here because I am
still missing the answer as to whether any of the 6 boats were completely
submerged so that the deck top was under water. I had asked that question
to get an idea of water depth. From what I am hearing, the Rhodes was never
completely submerged. Were any others?
If so, that would indicate deep water and that since the Rhodes deck was
still above water, the floatation had done its job. If all boats had their
decks above water that would indicate shallow depth and therefore no
positive indication of successful floatation since the boats were sitting on
the bottom, not able to go down far enough to get to the flotation level.
I am interested in getting the hard facts because it is very expensive for
us to conduct such tests and so we only did it once and those photos showed
that the floatation took over when the water lever went just above the
cockpit seat level. We would be satisfied if the water level reaches the
cabin roof before floatation is effective. In the only report I recall
hearing from an owner, attorney Paul Clevenger said that a rouge wave lifted
his boat and put it back in the water upside down and it floated and they
disconnected the mast and were able to right it.
stan/gbi
----- Original Message -----
From: <mputnam1 at aol.com>
To: <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 10:30 AM
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Washington Sailing Marina
>
> My boat is at the Washington Sailing Marina and it did not go down. I
> asked the guys there about the storm-pushing-the-water-out theory, and
> they assured me that did not happen. They report that all of the boats
> that sank were overloaded with wet snow, began listing to one side, took
> on water and went down.
>
> Mark P.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: R22RumRunner at aol.com
> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> Sent: Mon, Mar 8, 2010 6:25 am
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Washington Sailing Marina
>
>
> Stan,
> 've been wondering about this ever since it was posted that the boats went
> down. The only thing that makes sense to me is that this is a shallow
> arina and the storm pushed the water out, allowing the boats to reach the
> ottom. Boats without positive flotation didn't have a chance and probably
> illed with water as the water came back in. The Rhodes had the best
> chance of
> urvivability because of the flotation. It was probably filled with water
> nd mud, but still floating as the water returned.
> everal sailboats were laid over on Lake Hartwell when the water went down
> aster than the owners could move them. When the water level came back up,
> any of these boats simply filled with water and laid on the bottom
> waiting
> or someone to raise them. Attached is a photo of a San Juan 25 that was
> aised recently. It sat on the bottom for about nine months before the
> owner
> ad her raised.
>
> ummy
>
>
> n a message dated 3/7/2010 1:16:51 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> tan at rhodes22.com writes:
> Dave,
> I have not had a clear picture of what happened. Were all boats
> ompletely
> nder water or were parts of the decks (other than the masts) still above
> ater level?
> stan/gbi
>
> -------------- next part --------------
> non-text attachment was scrubbed...
> ame: not available
> ype: image/jpeg
> ize: 1123147 bytes
> esc: not available
> rl :
>
http://www.rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20100308/d70522b
f/attachment.jpeg
> __________________________________________________
> o subscribe/unsubscribe go to
> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go
> to
> ttp://www.rhodes22.org/list
> _________________________________________________
>
> __________________________________________________
> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to
> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
>
> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go
> to http://www.rhodes22.org/list
> __________________________________________________
__________________________________________________
To subscribe/unsubscribe go to
http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to
http://www.rhodes22.org/list
__________________________________________________
------------------------------
Message: 11
Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2010 06:10:58 -0500
From: "Eugene D McGee" <edavemcgee at cox.net>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes22-list Digest, Vol 2145, Issue 1
To: <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Cc: 'stan' <stan at rhodes22.com>
Message-ID: <1F673E6FB1FD44AB9E6F0DD291C30DC2 at D4GNX321>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Stan:
I stopped by the marina on Saturday to see the Rhodes but she was already up
so do not know. I bet you that they got her away from the dock, tugged her
upright and pumped her out.
Dave M.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Message: 1
Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2010 13:16:30 -0500
From: "stan" <stan at rhodes22.com>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Washington Sailing Marina
To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Message-ID: <82D8FCD4C9DB4273A2C81E87A3DE9EE8 at rhodes>
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
reply-type=original
Dave,
I have not had a clear picture of what happened. Were all boats completely
under water or were parts of the decks (other than the masts) still above
water level?
stan/gbi
------------------------------
Message: 12
Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2010 09:45:50 -0500
From: "stan" <stan at rhodes22.com>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes22-list Digest, Vol 2145, Issue 1
To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Message-ID: <EC7673F052C6489A80B81120982399D3 at rhodes>
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
reply-type=original
thanks but I have given up on my analysis since after three tries I can
still not get an answer to water depth with my question of whether any of
the 6 boats were under water.
ss
----- Original Message -----
From: "Eugene D McGee" <edavemcgee at cox.net>
To: <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Cc: "'stan'" <stan at rhodes22.com>
Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2010 6:10 AM
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes22-list Digest, Vol 2145, Issue 1
>
>
> Stan:
>
> I stopped by the marina on Saturday to see the Rhodes but she was already
> up
> so do not know. I bet you that they got her away from the dock, tugged her
> upright and pumped her out.
>
> Dave M.
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Message: 1
> Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2010 13:16:30 -0500
> From: "stan" <stan at rhodes22.com>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Washington Sailing Marina
> To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Message-ID: <82D8FCD4C9DB4273A2C81E87A3DE9EE8 at rhodes>
> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
> reply-type=original
>
> Dave,
>
> I have not had a clear picture of what happened. Were all boats
> completely
>
> under water or were parts of the decks (other than the masts) still above
> water level?
>
> stan/gbi
>
> __________________________________________________
> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to
> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
>
> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go
> to http://www.rhodes22.org/list
> __________________________________________________
------------------------------
Message: 13
Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2010 09:12:43 -0500
From: "KUHN, LELAND" <LKUHN at cnmc.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Positively positive flotation
To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Message-ID:
<BAEF334992594C47AD272D6B69E6C360023487B7 at EXCHVS02.cnmc.org>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Chris da Greek,
How's this? "...she rolled over like a cheap, well-Rhode oar."
Lee
1986 Rhodes22 AT EASE
Kent Island, MD
-----Original Message-----
From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
[mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Geankoplis
Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 9:44 PM
To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List'
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Positively positive flotation
Hey Stan,
Don't forget my similar experience when my 1st Rhodes (76) was
turned turtle and the mast driven into the mud. All I did was pull the
cleaves pins and tabernacle bolt and voila' she rolled over like a cheap
uh,
uh, I need another analogy here. Anyway, It took two frantic guys with
5
gallon buckets a very short time to have her pretty much empty of water.
The boat with standard mast floated well above the gunnels as I remember
so
bailing wasn't a problem.
Chris da Greek G
-----Original Message-----
From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
[mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of stan
Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 08:15
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Washington Sailing Marina
Thanks all for the feedback but I am still flying blind here because I
am
still missing the answer as to whether any of the 6 boats were
completely
submerged so that the deck top was under water. I had asked that
question
to get an idea of water depth. From what I am hearing, the Rhodes was
never
completely submerged. Were any others?
If so, that would indicate deep water and that since the Rhodes deck was
still above water, the floatation had done its job. If all boats had
their
decks above water that would indicate shallow depth and therefore no
positive indication of successful floatation since the boats were
sitting on
the bottom, not able to go down far enough to get to the flotation
level.
I am interested in getting the hard facts because it is very expensive
for
us to conduct such tests and so we only did it once and those photos
showed
that the floatation took over when the water lever went just above the
cockpit seat level. We would be satisfied if the water level reaches
the
cabin roof before floatation is effective. In the only report I recall
hearing from an owner, attorney Paul Clevenger said that a rouge wave
lifted
his boat and put it back in the water upside down and it floated and
they
disconnected the mast and were able to right it.
stan/gbi
----- Original Message -----
From: <mputnam1 at aol.com>
To: <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 10:30 AM
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Washington Sailing Marina
>
> My boat is at the Washington Sailing Marina and it did not go down. I
> asked the guys there about the storm-pushing-the-water-out theory, and
> they assured me that did not happen. They report that all of the boats
> that sank were overloaded with wet snow, began listing to one side,
took
> on water and went down.
>
> Mark P.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: R22RumRunner at aol.com
> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> Sent: Mon, Mar 8, 2010 6:25 am
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Washington Sailing Marina
>
>
> Stan,
> 've been wondering about this ever since it was posted that the boats
went
> down. The only thing that makes sense to me is that this is a shallow
> arina and the storm pushed the water out, allowing the boats to reach
the
> ottom. Boats without positive flotation didn't have a chance and
probably
> illed with water as the water came back in. The Rhodes had the best
> chance of
> urvivability because of the flotation. It was probably filled with
water
> nd mud, but still floating as the water returned.
> everal sailboats were laid over on Lake Hartwell when the water went
down
> aster than the owners could move them. When the water level came back
up,
> any of these boats simply filled with water and laid on the bottom
> waiting
> or someone to raise them. Attached is a photo of a San Juan 25 that
was
> aised recently. It sat on the bottom for about nine months before the
> owner
> ad her raised.
>
> ummy
>
>
> n a message dated 3/7/2010 1:16:51 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> tan at rhodes22.com writes:
> Dave,
> I have not had a clear picture of what happened. Were all boats
> ompletely
> nder water or were parts of the decks (other than the masts) still
above
> ater level?
> stan/gbi
>
> -------------- next part --------------
> non-text attachment was scrubbed...
> ame: not available
> ype: image/jpeg
> ize: 1123147 bytes
> esc: not available
> rl :
>
http://www.rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20100308/d70
522b
f/attachment.jpeg
> __________________________________________________
> o subscribe/unsubscribe go to
> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives
go
> to
> ttp://www.rhodes22.org/list
> _________________________________________________
>
> __________________________________________________
> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to
> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
>
> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives
go
> to http://www.rhodes22.org/list
> __________________________________________________
__________________________________________________
To subscribe/unsubscribe go to
http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives
go to
http://www.rhodes22.org/list
__________________________________________________
__________________________________________________
To subscribe/unsubscribe go to
http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives
go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list
__________________________________________________
Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail message, including any attachments, is
for the sole use of the intended
recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any
unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited.
If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply
e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message.
------------------------------
Message: 14
Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2010 10:31:31 -0500
From: "stan" <stan at rhodes22.com>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Washington Sailing Marina
To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Message-ID: <4A82ED3C4A634DE6841E584F4E736B90 at rhodes>
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
reply-type=original
thanks CC - but with no indication of water depth I still can't tell if the
boat is sitting on the bottom or if the floatation has succeeded in keeping
the boat afloat even with all that flooding.
ss
----- Original Message -----
From: "cowie" <ccowie at cowieassociates.com>
To: <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 11:29 AM
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Washington Sailing Marina
>
> Stan:
>
> I previoulsy posted a pdf file that includes two photos of the Rhodes 22
> at
> the Washingtong Sailing Marina and she is not submerged rather flooded
> with
> water. I will try to post the pdf file again.
>
> http://old.nabble.com/file/p27823731/r22WSM.pdf r22WSM.pdf
>
> Cowie
> R22 2009 Opus
>
>
> stanleyl wrote:
>>
>> Thanks all for the feedback but I am still flying blind here because I am
>> still missing the answer as to whether any of the 6 boats were completely
>> submerged so that the deck top was under water. I had asked that
>> question
>> to get an idea of water depth. From what I am hearing, the Rhodes was
>> never
>> completely submerged. Were any others?
>>
>> If so, that would indicate deep water and that since the Rhodes deck was
>> still above water, the floatation had done its job. If all boats had
>> their
>> decks above water that would indicate shallow depth and therefore no
>> positive indication of successful floatation since the boats were sitting
>> on
>> the bottom, not able to go down far enough to get to the flotation level.
>>
>> I am interested in getting the hard facts because it is very expensive
>> for
>> us to conduct such tests and so we only did it once and those photos
>> showed
>> that the floatation took over when the water lever went just above the
>> cockpit seat level. We would be satisfied if the water level reaches
>> the
>> cabin roof before floatation is effective. In the only report I recall
>> hearing from an owner, attorney Paul Clevenger said that a rouge wave
>> lifted
>> his boat and put it back in the water upside down and it floated and they
>> disconnected the mast and were able to right it.
>>
>> stan/gbi
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: <mputnam1 at aol.com>
>> To: <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 10:30 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Washington Sailing Marina
>>
>>
>>>
>>> My boat is at the Washington Sailing Marina and it did not go down. I
>>> asked the guys there about the storm-pushing-the-water-out theory, and
>>> they assured me that did not happen. They report that all of the boats
>>> that sank were overloaded with wet snow, began listing to one side, took
>>> on water and went down.
>>>
>>> Mark P.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: R22RumRunner at aol.com
>>> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
>>> Sent: Mon, Mar 8, 2010 6:25 am
>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Washington Sailing Marina
>>>
>>>
>>> Stan,
>>> 've been wondering about this ever since it was posted that the boats
>>> went
>>> down. The only thing that makes sense to me is that this is a shallow
>>> arina and the storm pushed the water out, allowing the boats to reach
>>> the
>>> ottom. Boats without positive flotation didn't have a chance and
>>> probably
>>> illed with water as the water came back in. The Rhodes had the best
>>> chance of
>>> urvivability because of the flotation. It was probably filled with
>>> water
>>> nd mud, but still floating as the water returned.
>>> everal sailboats were laid over on Lake Hartwell when the water went
>>> down
>>> aster than the owners could move them. When the water level came back
>>> up,
>>> any of these boats simply filled with water and laid on the bottom
>>> waiting
>>> or someone to raise them. Attached is a photo of a San Juan 25 that was
>>> aised recently. It sat on the bottom for about nine months before the
>>> owner
>>> ad her raised.
>>>
>>> ummy
>>>
>>>
>>> n a message dated 3/7/2010 1:16:51 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
>>> tan at rhodes22.com writes:
>>> Dave,
>>> I have not had a clear picture of what happened. Were all boats
>>> ompletely
>>> nder water or were parts of the decks (other than the masts) still
>>> above
>>> ater level?
>>> stan/gbi
>>>
>>> -------------- next part --------------
>>> non-text attachment was scrubbed...
>>> ame: not available
>>> ype: image/jpeg
>>> ize: 1123147 bytes
>>> esc: not available
>>> rl :
>>>
http://www.rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20100308/d70522b
f/attachment.jpeg
>>> __________________________________________________
>>> o subscribe/unsubscribe go to
>>> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
>>> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives
>>> go
>>> to
>>> ttp://www.rhodes22.org/list
>>> _________________________________________________
>>>
>>> __________________________________________________
>>> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to
>>> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
>>>
>>> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives
>>> go
>>> to http://www.rhodes22.org/list
>>> __________________________________________________
>>
>> __________________________________________________
>> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to
>> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
>>
>> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go
>> to http://www.rhodes22.org/list
>> __________________________________________________
>>
>>
>
> --
> View this message in context:
> http://old.nabble.com/Washington-Sailing-Marina-tp27816104p27823731.html
> Sent from the Rhodes 22 mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
>
> __________________________________________________
> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to
> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
>
> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go
> to http://www.rhodes22.org/list
> __________________________________________________
------------------------------
Message: 15
Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2010 10:44:45 -0500
From: Hank <hnw555 at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Washington Sailing Marina
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Message-ID:
<c319c8b51003090744n4f03906ap9e154c5f4b9ec308 at mail.gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
Stan,
I think Mark did answer your question.
My boat is at the Washington Sailing Marina and it did not go down. I asked
the guys there about the storm-pushing-the-water-out theory, and they
assured me that did not happen. They report that all of the boats that sank
were overloaded with wet snow, began listing to one side, took on water and
went down.
Mark P.
I couldn't find the photos on your website of the flotation test. Did you
do it with the mast installed? Was it an IMF with Sail? From the photo of
the boat at WSM it looks like after she took on water and flooded the
cockpit, the weight of the mast cause a 90 degree roll. I suspect that they
righted her and were then able to bail/pump her out.
Hank
On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 10:31 AM, stan <stan at rhodes22.com> wrote:
> thanks CC - but with no indication of water depth I still can't tell if
the
> boat is sitting on the bottom or if the floatation has succeeded in
keeping
> the boat afloat even with all that flooding.
>
> ss
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "cowie" <ccowie at cowieassociates.com>
> To: <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 11:29 AM
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Washington Sailing Marina
>
>
> >
> > Stan:
> >
> > I previoulsy posted a pdf file that includes two photos of the Rhodes 22
> > at
> > the Washingtong Sailing Marina and she is not submerged rather flooded
> > with
> > water. I will try to post the pdf file again.
> >
> > http://old.nabble.com/file/p27823731/r22WSM.pdf r22WSM.pdf
> >
> > Cowie
> > R22 2009 Opus
> >
> >
> > stanleyl wrote:
> >>
> >> Thanks all for the feedback but I am still flying blind here because I
> am
> >> still missing the answer as to whether any of the 6 boats were
> completely
> >> submerged so that the deck top was under water. I had asked that
> >> question
> >> to get an idea of water depth. From what I am hearing, the Rhodes was
> >> never
> >> completely submerged. Were any others?
> >>
> >> If so, that would indicate deep water and that since the Rhodes deck
was
> >> still above water, the floatation had done its job. If all boats had
> >> their
> >> decks above water that would indicate shallow depth and therefore no
> >> positive indication of successful floatation since the boats were
> sitting
> >> on
> >> the bottom, not able to go down far enough to get to the flotation
> level.
> >>
> >> I am interested in getting the hard facts because it is very expensive
> >> for
> >> us to conduct such tests and so we only did it once and those photos
> >> showed
> >> that the floatation took over when the water lever went just above the
> >> cockpit seat level. We would be satisfied if the water level reaches
> >> the
> >> cabin roof before floatation is effective. In the only report I recall
> >> hearing from an owner, attorney Paul Clevenger said that a rouge wave
> >> lifted
> >> his boat and put it back in the water upside down and it floated and
> they
> >> disconnected the mast and were able to right it.
> >>
> >> stan/gbi
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: <mputnam1 at aol.com>
> >> To: <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> >> Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 10:30 AM
> >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Washington Sailing Marina
> >>
> >>
> >>>
> >>> My boat is at the Washington Sailing Marina and it did not go down. I
> >>> asked the guys there about the storm-pushing-the-water-out theory, and
> >>> they assured me that did not happen. They report that all of the boats
> >>> that sank were overloaded with wet snow, began listing to one side,
> took
> >>> on water and went down.
> >>>
> >>> Mark P.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: R22RumRunner at aol.com
> >>> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> >>> Sent: Mon, Mar 8, 2010 6:25 am
> >>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Washington Sailing Marina
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Stan,
> >>> 've been wondering about this ever since it was posted that the boats
> >>> went
> >>> down. The only thing that makes sense to me is that this is a shallow
> >>> arina and the storm pushed the water out, allowing the boats to reach
> >>> the
> >>> ottom. Boats without positive flotation didn't have a chance and
> >>> probably
> >>> illed with water as the water came back in. The Rhodes had the best
> >>> chance of
> >>> urvivability because of the flotation. It was probably filled with
> >>> water
> >>> nd mud, but still floating as the water returned.
> >>> everal sailboats were laid over on Lake Hartwell when the water went
> >>> down
> >>> aster than the owners could move them. When the water level came back
> >>> up,
> >>> any of these boats simply filled with water and laid on the bottom
> >>> waiting
> >>> or someone to raise them. Attached is a photo of a San Juan 25 that
> was
> >>> aised recently. It sat on the bottom for about nine months before the
> >>> owner
> >>> ad her raised.
> >>>
> >>> ummy
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> n a message dated 3/7/2010 1:16:51 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> >>> tan at rhodes22.com writes:
> >>> Dave,
> >>> I have not had a clear picture of what happened. Were all boats
> >>> ompletely
> >>> nder water or were parts of the decks (other than the masts) still
> >>> above
> >>> ater level?
> >>> stan/gbi
> >>>
> >>> -------------- next part --------------
> >>> non-text attachment was scrubbed...
> >>> ame: not available
> >>> ype: image/jpeg
> >>> ize: 1123147 bytes
> >>> esc: not available
> >>> rl :
> >>>
>
http://www.rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20100308/d70522b
f/attachment.jpeg
> >>> __________________________________________________
> >>> o subscribe/unsubscribe go to
> >>> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
> >>> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives
> >>> go
> >>> to
> >>> ttp://www.rhodes22.org/list
> >>> _________________________________________________
> >>>
> >>> __________________________________________________
> >>> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to
> >>> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
> >>>
> >>> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives
> >>> go
> >>> to http://www.rhodes22.org/list
> >>> __________________________________________________
> >>
> >> __________________________________________________
> >> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to
> >> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
> >>
> >> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives
> go
> >> to http://www.rhodes22.org/list
> >> __________________________________________________
> >>
> >>
> >
> > --
> > View this message in context:
> > http://old.nabble.com/Washington-Sailing-Marina-tp27816104p27823731.html
> > Sent from the Rhodes 22 mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
> >
> > __________________________________________________
> > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to
> > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
> >
> > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives
go
> > to http://www.rhodes22.org/list
> > __________________________________________________
>
> __________________________________________________
> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to
> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
>
> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go
> to http://www.rhodes22.org/list
> __________________________________________________
>
------------------------------
Message: 16
Date: Tue, 09 Mar 2010 10:57:35 -0500
From: Mary Lou Troy <mtroy at atlanticbb.net>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Washington Sailing Marina
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Message-ID: <8F.C5.07076.5FF669B4 at BL-206>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed
Assuming this is the right marina, you could always call them. If you
can talk to the manager or dockmaster, I'm sure she or she will know
what slip the R22 was in and what the depth is at that slip.
Washington Sailing Marina
www.washingtonsailingmarina.com
1 Marina Drive
Alexandria, VA 22314-1143
(703) 548-9027
Mary Lou
At 10:31 AM 3/9/2010, you wrote:
>thanks CC - but with no indication of water depth I still can't tell if the
>boat is sitting on the bottom or if the floatation has succeeded in keeping
>the boat afloat even with all that flooding.
>
>ss
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "cowie" <ccowie at cowieassociates.com>
>To: <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 11:29 AM
>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Washington Sailing Marina
>
>
> >
> > Stan:
> >
> > I previoulsy posted a pdf file that includes two photos of the Rhodes 22
> > at
> > the Washingtong Sailing Marina and she is not submerged rather flooded
> > with
> > water. I will try to post the pdf file again.
> >
> > http://old.nabble.com/file/p27823731/r22WSM.pdf r22WSM.pdf
> >
> > Cowie
> > R22 2009 Opus
> >
> >
> > stanleyl wrote:
> >>
> >> Thanks all for the feedback but I am still flying blind here because I
am
> >> still missing the answer as to whether any of the 6 boats were
completely
> >> submerged so that the deck top was under water. I had asked that
> >> question
> >> to get an idea of water depth. From what I am hearing, the Rhodes was
> >> never
> >> completely submerged. Were any others?
> >>
> >> If so, that would indicate deep water and that since the Rhodes deck
was
> >> still above water, the floatation had done its job. If all boats had
> >> their
> >> decks above water that would indicate shallow depth and therefore no
> >> positive indication of successful floatation since the boats were
sitting
> >> on
> >> the bottom, not able to go down far enough to get to the flotation
level.
> >>
> >> I am interested in getting the hard facts because it is very expensive
> >> for
> >> us to conduct such tests and so we only did it once and those photos
> >> showed
> >> that the floatation took over when the water lever went just above the
> >> cockpit seat level. We would be satisfied if the water level reaches
> >> the
> >> cabin roof before floatation is effective. In the only report I recall
> >> hearing from an owner, attorney Paul Clevenger said that a rouge wave
> >> lifted
> >> his boat and put it back in the water upside down and it floated and
they
> >> disconnected the mast and were able to right it.
> >>
> >> stan/gbi
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: <mputnam1 at aol.com>
> >> To: <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> >> Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 10:30 AM
> >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Washington Sailing Marina
> >>
> >>
> >>>
> >>> My boat is at the Washington Sailing Marina and it did not go down. I
> >>> asked the guys there about the storm-pushing-the-water-out theory, and
> >>> they assured me that did not happen. They report that all of the boats
> >>> that sank were overloaded with wet snow, began listing to one side,
took
> >>> on water and went down.
> >>>
> >>> Mark P.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: R22RumRunner at aol.com
> >>> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> >>> Sent: Mon, Mar 8, 2010 6:25 am
> >>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Washington Sailing Marina
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Stan,
> >>> 've been wondering about this ever since it was posted that the boats
> >>> went
> >>> down. The only thing that makes sense to me is that this is a shallow
> >>> arina and the storm pushed the water out, allowing the boats to reach
> >>> the
> >>> ottom. Boats without positive flotation didn't have a chance and
> >>> probably
> >>> illed with water as the water came back in. The Rhodes had the best
> >>> chance of
> >>> urvivability because of the flotation. It was probably filled with
> >>> water
> >>> nd mud, but still floating as the water returned.
> >>> everal sailboats were laid over on Lake Hartwell when the water went
> >>> down
> >>> aster than the owners could move them. When the water level came back
> >>> up,
> >>> any of these boats simply filled with water and laid on the bottom
> >>> waiting
> >>> or someone to raise them. Attached is a photo of a San Juan 25 that
was
> >>> aised recently. It sat on the bottom for about nine months before the
> >>> owner
> >>> ad her raised.
> >>>
> >>> ummy
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> n a message dated 3/7/2010 1:16:51 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> >>> tan at rhodes22.com writes:
> >>> Dave,
> >>> I have not had a clear picture of what happened. Were all boats
> >>> ompletely
> >>> nder water or were parts of the decks (other than the masts) still
> >>> above
> >>> ater level?
> >>> stan/gbi
> >>>
> >>> -------------- next part --------------
> >>> non-text attachment was scrubbed...
> >>> ame: not available
> >>> ype: image/jpeg
> >>> ize: 1123147 bytes
> >>> esc: not available
> >>> rl :
> >>>
>
http://www.rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20100308/d70522b
f/attachment.jpeg
> >>> __________________________________________________
> >>> o subscribe/unsubscribe go to
> >>> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
> >>> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives
> >>> go
> >>> to
> >>> ttp://www.rhodes22.org/list
> >>> _________________________________________________
> >>>
> >>> __________________________________________________
> >>> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to
> >>> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
> >>>
> >>> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives
> >>> go
> >>> to http://www.rhodes22.org/list
> >>> __________________________________________________
> >>
> >> __________________________________________________
> >> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to
> >> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
> >>
> >> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives
go
> >> to http://www.rhodes22.org/list
> >> __________________________________________________
> >>
> >>
> >
> > --
> > View this message in context:
> > http://old.nabble.com/Washington-Sailing-Marina-tp27816104p27823731.html
> > Sent from the Rhodes 22 mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
> >
> > __________________________________________________
> > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to
> > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
> >
> > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives
go
> > to http://www.rhodes22.org/list
> > __________________________________________________
>
>__________________________________________________
>To subscribe/unsubscribe go to
>http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
>
>For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and
>archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list
>__________________________________________________
>
>No virus found in this incoming message.
>Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
>Version: 9.0.733 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2732 - Release Date:
>03/09/10 02:33:00
------------------------------
Message: 17
Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2010 11:01:27 -0500
From: "stan" <stan at rhodes22.com>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Washington Sailing Marina
To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Message-ID: <7A00C24AA5204139B2DF200D0FAF8F1F at rhodes>
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
reply-type=original
I feel like Judge Judy - no one is answering my question of whether the
water at those slips is deep enough so that a down boat would be under
water. ( I never asked and had no interest in the water in and out theory).
I thought it was a simple question that would establish if a boat went down
no further because it was sitting on the bottom or it went down no further
because it was being supported at that level by floatation.
ss
----- Original Message -----
From: "Hank" <hnw555 at gmail.com>
To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2010 10:44 AM
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Washington Sailing Marina
> Stan,
>
> I think Mark did answer your question.
>
> My boat is at the Washington Sailing Marina and it did not go down. I
> asked
> the guys there about the storm-pushing-the-water-out theory, and they
> assured me that did not happen. They report that all of the boats that
> sank
> were overloaded with wet snow, began listing to one side, took on water
> and
> went down.
>
> Mark P.
>
> I couldn't find the photos on your website of the flotation test. Did you
> do it with the mast installed? Was it an IMF with Sail? From the photo
> of
> the boat at WSM it looks like after she took on water and flooded the
> cockpit, the weight of the mast cause a 90 degree roll. I suspect that
> they
> righted her and were then able to bail/pump her out.
>
> Hank
>
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 10:31 AM, stan <stan at rhodes22.com> wrote:
>
>> thanks CC - but with no indication of water depth I still can't tell if
>> the
>> boat is sitting on the bottom or if the floatation has succeeded in
>> keeping
>> the boat afloat even with all that flooding.
>>
>> ss
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "cowie" <ccowie at cowieassociates.com>
>> To: <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 11:29 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Washington Sailing Marina
>>
>>
>> >
>> > Stan:
>> >
>> > I previoulsy posted a pdf file that includes two photos of the Rhodes
>> > 22
>> > at
>> > the Washingtong Sailing Marina and she is not submerged rather flooded
>> > with
>> > water. I will try to post the pdf file again.
>> >
>> > http://old.nabble.com/file/p27823731/r22WSM.pdf r22WSM.pdf
>> >
>> > Cowie
>> > R22 2009 Opus
>> >
>> >
>> > stanleyl wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Thanks all for the feedback but I am still flying blind here because I
>> am
>> >> still missing the answer as to whether any of the 6 boats were
>> completely
>> >> submerged so that the deck top was under water. I had asked that
>> >> question
>> >> to get an idea of water depth. From what I am hearing, the Rhodes was
>> >> never
>> >> completely submerged. Were any others?
>> >>
>> >> If so, that would indicate deep water and that since the Rhodes deck
>> >> was
>> >> still above water, the floatation had done its job. If all boats had
>> >> their
>> >> decks above water that would indicate shallow depth and therefore no
>> >> positive indication of successful floatation since the boats were
>> sitting
>> >> on
>> >> the bottom, not able to go down far enough to get to the flotation
>> level.
>> >>
>> >> I am interested in getting the hard facts because it is very expensive
>> >> for
>> >> us to conduct such tests and so we only did it once and those photos
>> >> showed
>> >> that the floatation took over when the water lever went just above the
>> >> cockpit seat level. We would be satisfied if the water level reaches
>> >> the
>> >> cabin roof before floatation is effective. In the only report I
>> >> recall
>> >> hearing from an owner, attorney Paul Clevenger said that a rouge wave
>> >> lifted
>> >> his boat and put it back in the water upside down and it floated and
>> they
>> >> disconnected the mast and were able to right it.
>> >>
>> >> stan/gbi
>> >>
>> >> ----- Original Message -----
>> >> From: <mputnam1 at aol.com>
>> >> To: <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> >> Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 10:30 AM
>> >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Washington Sailing Marina
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>>
>> >>> My boat is at the Washington Sailing Marina and it did not go down.
>> >>> I
>> >>> asked the guys there about the storm-pushing-the-water-out theory,
>> >>> and
>> >>> they assured me that did not happen. They report that all of the
>> >>> boats
>> >>> that sank were overloaded with wet snow, began listing to one side,
>> took
>> >>> on water and went down.
>> >>>
>> >>> Mark P.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> -----Original Message-----
>> >>> From: R22RumRunner at aol.com
>> >>> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
>> >>> Sent: Mon, Mar 8, 2010 6:25 am
>> >>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Washington Sailing Marina
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> Stan,
>> >>> 've been wondering about this ever since it was posted that the boats
>> >>> went
>> >>> down. The only thing that makes sense to me is that this is a shallow
>> >>> arina and the storm pushed the water out, allowing the boats to
>> >>> reach
>> >>> the
>> >>> ottom. Boats without positive flotation didn't have a chance and
>> >>> probably
>> >>> illed with water as the water came back in. The Rhodes had the best
>> >>> chance of
>> >>> urvivability because of the flotation. It was probably filled with
>> >>> water
>> >>> nd mud, but still floating as the water returned.
>> >>> everal sailboats were laid over on Lake Hartwell when the water went
>> >>> down
>> >>> aster than the owners could move them. When the water level came back
>> >>> up,
>> >>> any of these boats simply filled with water and laid on the bottom
>> >>> waiting
>> >>> or someone to raise them. Attached is a photo of a San Juan 25 that
>> was
>> >>> aised recently. It sat on the bottom for about nine months before
>> >>> the
>> >>> owner
>> >>> ad her raised.
>> >>>
>> >>> ummy
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> n a message dated 3/7/2010 1:16:51 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
>> >>> tan at rhodes22.com writes:
>> >>> Dave,
>> >>> I have not had a clear picture of what happened. Were all boats
>> >>> ompletely
>> >>> nder water or were parts of the decks (other than the masts) still
>> >>> above
>> >>> ater level?
>> >>> stan/gbi
>> >>>
>> >>> -------------- next part --------------
>> >>> non-text attachment was scrubbed...
>> >>> ame: not available
>> >>> ype: image/jpeg
>> >>> ize: 1123147 bytes
>> >>> esc: not available
>> >>> rl :
>> >>>
>>
http://www.rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20100308/d70522b
f/attachment.jpeg
>> >>> __________________________________________________
>> >>> o subscribe/unsubscribe go to
>> >>> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
>> >>> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and
>> >>> archives
>> >>> go
>> >>> to
>> >>> ttp://www.rhodes22.org/list
>> >>> _________________________________________________
>> >>>
>> >>> __________________________________________________
>> >>> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to
>> >>> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
>> >>>
>> >>> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and
>> >>> archives
>> >>> go
>> >>> to http://www.rhodes22.org/list
>> >>> __________________________________________________
>> >>
>> >> __________________________________________________
>> >> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to
>> >> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
>> >>
>> >> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives
>> go
>> >> to http://www.rhodes22.org/list
>> >> __________________________________________________
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> > --
>> > View this message in context:
>> >
http://old.nabble.com/Washington-Sailing-Marina-tp27816104p27823731.html
>> > Sent from the Rhodes 22 mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
>> >
>> > __________________________________________________
>> > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to
>> > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
>> >
>> > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives
>> > go
>> > to http://www.rhodes22.org/list
>> > __________________________________________________
>>
>> __________________________________________________
>> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to
>> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
>>
>> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go
>> to http://www.rhodes22.org/list
>> __________________________________________________
>>
> __________________________________________________
> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to
> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
>
> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go
> to http://www.rhodes22.org/list
> __________________________________________________
------------------------------
Message: 18
Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2010 11:06:03 -0500
From: Hank <hnw555 at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Washington Sailing Marina
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Message-ID:
<c319c8b51003090806p1d300732l3e457096897fdf77 at mail.gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
Stan,
Maybe nobody knows for sure. Give the Marina a call and ask them.
Hank
On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 11:01 AM, stan <stan at rhodes22.com> wrote:
> I feel like Judge Judy - no one is answering my question of whether the
> water at those slips is deep enough so that a down boat would be under
> water. ( I never asked and had no interest in the water in and out
> theory).
> I thought it was a simple question that would establish if a boat went
down
> no further because it was sitting on the bottom or it went down no further
> because it was being supported at that level by floatation.
>
> ss
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Hank" <hnw555 at gmail.com>
> To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2010 10:44 AM
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Washington Sailing Marina
>
>
> > Stan,
> >
> > I think Mark did answer your question.
> >
> > My boat is at the Washington Sailing Marina and it did not go down. I
> > asked
> > the guys there about the storm-pushing-the-water-out theory, and they
> > assured me that did not happen. They report that all of the boats that
> > sank
> > were overloaded with wet snow, began listing to one side, took on water
> > and
> > went down.
> >
> > Mark P.
> >
> > I couldn't find the photos on your website of the flotation test. Did
> you
> > do it with the mast installed? Was it an IMF with Sail? From the photo
> > of
> > the boat at WSM it looks like after she took on water and flooded the
> > cockpit, the weight of the mast cause a 90 degree roll. I suspect that
> > they
> > righted her and were then able to bail/pump her out.
> >
> > Hank
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 10:31 AM, stan <stan at rhodes22.com> wrote:
> >
> >> thanks CC - but with no indication of water depth I still can't tell if
> >> the
> >> boat is sitting on the bottom or if the floatation has succeeded in
> >> keeping
> >> the boat afloat even with all that flooding.
> >>
> >> ss
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "cowie" <ccowie at cowieassociates.com>
> >> To: <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> >> Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 11:29 AM
> >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Washington Sailing Marina
> >>
> >>
> >> >
> >> > Stan:
> >> >
> >> > I previoulsy posted a pdf file that includes two photos of the Rhodes
> >> > 22
> >> > at
> >> > the Washingtong Sailing Marina and she is not submerged rather
flooded
> >> > with
> >> > water. I will try to post the pdf file again.
> >> >
> >> > http://old.nabble.com/file/p27823731/r22WSM.pdf r22WSM.pdf
> >> >
> >> > Cowie
> >> > R22 2009 Opus
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > stanleyl wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> Thanks all for the feedback but I am still flying blind here because
> I
> >> am
> >> >> still missing the answer as to whether any of the 6 boats were
> >> completely
> >> >> submerged so that the deck top was under water. I had asked that
> >> >> question
> >> >> to get an idea of water depth. From what I am hearing, the Rhodes
> was
> >> >> never
> >> >> completely submerged. Were any others?
> >> >>
> >> >> If so, that would indicate deep water and that since the Rhodes deck
> >> >> was
> >> >> still above water, the floatation had done its job. If all boats
had
> >> >> their
> >> >> decks above water that would indicate shallow depth and therefore no
> >> >> positive indication of successful floatation since the boats were
> >> sitting
> >> >> on
> >> >> the bottom, not able to go down far enough to get to the flotation
> >> level.
> >> >>
> >> >> I am interested in getting the hard facts because it is very
> expensive
> >> >> for
> >> >> us to conduct such tests and so we only did it once and those photos
> >> >> showed
> >> >> that the floatation took over when the water lever went just above
> the
> >> >> cockpit seat level. We would be satisfied if the water level
> reaches
> >> >> the
> >> >> cabin roof before floatation is effective. In the only report I
> >> >> recall
> >> >> hearing from an owner, attorney Paul Clevenger said that a rouge
wave
> >> >> lifted
> >> >> his boat and put it back in the water upside down and it floated and
> >> they
> >> >> disconnected the mast and were able to right it.
> >> >>
> >> >> stan/gbi
> >> >>
> >> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> >> From: <mputnam1 at aol.com>
> >> >> To: <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> >> >> Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 10:30 AM
> >> >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Washington Sailing Marina
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>>
> >> >>> My boat is at the Washington Sailing Marina and it did not go down.
> >> >>> I
> >> >>> asked the guys there about the storm-pushing-the-water-out theory,
> >> >>> and
> >> >>> they assured me that did not happen. They report that all of the
> >> >>> boats
> >> >>> that sank were overloaded with wet snow, began listing to one side,
> >> took
> >> >>> on water and went down.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Mark P.
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >> >>> From: R22RumRunner at aol.com
> >> >>> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> >> >>> Sent: Mon, Mar 8, 2010 6:25 am
> >> >>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Washington Sailing Marina
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Stan,
> >> >>> 've been wondering about this ever since it was posted that the
> boats
> >> >>> went
> >> >>> down. The only thing that makes sense to me is that this is a
> shallow
> >> >>> arina and the storm pushed the water out, allowing the boats to
> >> >>> reach
> >> >>> the
> >> >>> ottom. Boats without positive flotation didn't have a chance and
> >> >>> probably
> >> >>> illed with water as the water came back in. The Rhodes had the
best
> >> >>> chance of
> >> >>> urvivability because of the flotation. It was probably filled with
> >> >>> water
> >> >>> nd mud, but still floating as the water returned.
> >> >>> everal sailboats were laid over on Lake Hartwell when the water
went
> >> >>> down
> >> >>> aster than the owners could move them. When the water level came
> back
> >> >>> up,
> >> >>> any of these boats simply filled with water and laid on the bottom
> >> >>> waiting
> >> >>> or someone to raise them. Attached is a photo of a San Juan 25
that
> >> was
> >> >>> aised recently. It sat on the bottom for about nine months before
> >> >>> the
> >> >>> owner
> >> >>> ad her raised.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> ummy
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>> n a message dated 3/7/2010 1:16:51 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> >> >>> tan at rhodes22.com writes:
> >> >>> Dave,
> >> >>> I have not had a clear picture of what happened. Were all boats
> >> >>> ompletely
> >> >>> nder water or were parts of the decks (other than the masts) still
> >> >>> above
> >> >>> ater level?
> >> >>> stan/gbi
> >> >>>
> >> >>> -------------- next part --------------
> >> >>> non-text attachment was scrubbed...
> >> >>> ame: not available
> >> >>> ype: image/jpeg
> >> >>> ize: 1123147 bytes
> >> >>> esc: not available
> >> >>> rl :
> >> >>>
> >>
>
http://www.rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20100308/d70522b
f/attachment.jpeg
> >> >>> __________________________________________________
> >> >>> o subscribe/unsubscribe go to
> >> >>> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
> >> >>> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and
> >> >>> archives
> >> >>> go
> >> >>> to
> >> >>> ttp://www.rhodes22.org/list
> >> >>> _________________________________________________
> >> >>>
> >> >>> __________________________________________________
> >> >>> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to
> >> >>> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
> >> >>>
> >> >>> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and
> >> >>> archives
> >> >>> go
> >> >>> to http://www.rhodes22.org/list
> >> >>> __________________________________________________
> >> >>
> >> >> __________________________________________________
> >> >> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to
> >> >> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
> >> >>
> >> >> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and
> archives
> >> go
> >> >> to http://www.rhodes22.org/list
> >> >> __________________________________________________
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> > --
> >> > View this message in context:
> >> >
> http://old.nabble.com/Washington-Sailing-Marina-tp27816104p27823731.html
> >> > Sent from the Rhodes 22 mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
> >> >
> >> > __________________________________________________
> >> > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to
> >> > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
> >> >
> >> > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and
archives
> >> > go
> >> > to http://www.rhodes22.org/list
> >> > __________________________________________________
> >>
> >> __________________________________________________
> >> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to
> >> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
> >>
> >> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives
> go
> >> to http://www.rhodes22.org/list
> >> __________________________________________________
> >>
> > __________________________________________________
> > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to
> > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
> >
> > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives
go
> > to http://www.rhodes22.org/list
> > __________________________________________________
>
> __________________________________________________
> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to
> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
>
> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go
> to http://www.rhodes22.org/list
> __________________________________________________
>
------------------------------
Message: 19
Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2010 11:44:40 -0500
From: Rick <sloopblueheron at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Diamond Board Depth
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Message-ID:
<52e9a141003090844s5c846525ifc9a49f859699880 at mail.gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
Mary Lou,
On mine, a shackel connects the block to the board.
Rick
On Mon, Mar 8, 2010 at 9:11 PM, Mary Lou Troy <mtroy at atlanticbb.net> wrote:
> What turning block? Is it on the board itself? I know there are a lot
> variations. Ours is a direct lift. No blocks.
>
> Mary Lou
>
> At 07:45 PM 3/8/2010, you wrote:
> >Chris,
> >
> >I don't see your turning block. Mine is always exposed when my boat is
on
> >the lift
> >--handy for inspecting. So unless the picture just doesn't show the
> block,
> >I would say you need to move your stop knot a bit down the hauling line.
> >
> >Rick
> >
> >On Mon, Mar 8, 2010 at 8:30 AM, cowie <ccowie at cowieassociates.com> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > I took advantage of the warm weather this weekend and got my boat
ready
> for
> > > the spring launch. With my boat up on jacks I was able to lower the
> > > diamond
> > > board all the way and took some measurements. I measure 24" from the
> keel
> > > to the bottom of diamond board and also measure 4-3" to 4'-6" from the
> > > water
> > > line to the bottom of the diamond board. My question is this: is my
> > > diamond board all the way down at 24"? I think it is as this seems
to
> > > match photos on the GB web site but just want to make sure. The older
> > > style
> > > center board seems to be deeper? Also if the water line to bottom of
> > > diamond board is 4'-3" less 24" when the board is up then the draft is
> > > about
> > > 2'-3" not 20" noted on the GB site? Does the advertised 20" asume a
> slight
> > > heel? Enclosed are some images for reference.
> > >
> > >
>
http://old.nabble.com/file/p27819957/illustration_02.jpgillustration_02.jpg
> > >
> > > Cowie
> > > Opus 2009
> > > --
> > > View this message in context:
> > > http://old.nabble.com/Diamond-Board-Depth-tp27819957p27819957.html
> > > Sent from the Rhodes 22 mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
> > >
> > > __________________________________________________
> > > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to
> > > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
> > >
> > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives
> go
> > > to http://www.rhodes22.org/list
> > > __________________________________________________
> > >
> >__________________________________________________
> >To subscribe/unsubscribe go to
> >http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
> >
> >For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and
> >archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list
> >__________________________________________________
> >
> >No virus found in this incoming message.
> >Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
> >Version: 9.0.733 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2730 - Release Date:
> >03/08/10 02:34:00
>
> __________________________________________________
> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to
> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
>
> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go
> to http://www.rhodes22.org/list
> __________________________________________________
>
------------------------------
_______________________________________________
Rhodes22-list mailing list
Rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
End of Rhodes22-list Digest, Vol 2146, Issue 1
**********************************************
More information about the Rhodes22-list
mailing list