[Rhodes22-list] Rhodes22-list Digest, Vol 2147, Issue 1

[Matthew Porter]

Hi All,

[Currently in digest mode]

Chris: We plan to put her in a slip and trailer her when the mood strikes
us.  My wife went to St. Mary's College and still has friends living in
southern Maryland; we imagine that for long weekend trips to there and other
areas, it'll be best to trailer down.

Rummy: I don't think so, he is still "getting the hang of" email and the
internet.  In any case, his name is William (Bill) Porter, affectionately
known as "Wink."  He travels a lot, so I wouldn't be surprised if anyone has
met him.  If your name was Bourbony, I'd say it was a lock.

Lee:  We have found a marina: Smith's Marina in Little Round Bay on the
Severn.  We're landlocked in Columbia, MD, but the marina is just 20 miles
from the house.

Nice to meet you all,

Porter









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>   1. Re: Washington Sailing Marina (mputnam1 at aol.com)
>   2. Re: Washington Sailing Marina (Chris Cowie)
>   3. Re: Washington Sailing Marina (mputnam1 at aol.com)
>   4. Re: Rhodes 22 computer model (E.Andler)
>   5. Hello! (Matthew Porter)
>   6. Re: Hello! (Chris Cowie)
>   7. Re: Hello! (R22RumRunner at aol.com)
>   8. Re: Rhodes 22 computer model (KUHN, LELAND)
>   9. Re: Washington Sailing Marina (Arthur H. Czerwonky)
>  10. Re: Washington Sailing Marina (Arthur H. Czerwonky)
>  11. Re: Hello! (KUHN, LELAND)
>  12. Re: Positively positive flotation (Geankoplis)
>  13. Re: Tampa Bay (Captainpy)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Tue, 09 Mar 2010 12:10:24 -0500
> From: mputnam1 at aol.com
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Washington Sailing Marina
> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> Message-ID: <8CC8DC28AACA828-778-4B at webmail-d071.sysops.aol.com>
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>
> Stan,
>
>
> The number Mary Lou gave you is correct: 703-548-9027.  The manager's name
> is Brian Pavlik and he should be in the office today.  He's a good guy and
> I'm sure he'll answer your questions.
>
>
> Mark P.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Hank <hnw555 at gmail.com>
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Sent: Tue, Mar 9, 2010 11:06 am
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Washington Sailing Marina
>
>
> Stan,
>
> Maybe nobody knows for sure.  Give the Marina a call and ask them.
>
> Hank
>
> On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 11:01 AM, stan <stan at rhodes22.com> wrote:
>
> > I feel like Judge Judy - no one is answering my question of whether the
> > water at those slips is deep enough so that a down boat would be under
> > water.  ( I never asked and had no interest in the water in and out
> > theory).
> > I thought it was a simple question that would establish if a boat went
> down
> > no further because it was sitting on the bottom or it went down no
> further
> > because it was being supported at that level by floatation.
> >
> > ss
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Hank" <hnw555 at gmail.com>
> > To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2010 10:44 AM
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Washington Sailing Marina
> >
> >
> > > Stan,
> > >
> > > I think Mark did answer your question.
> > >
> > > My boat is at the Washington Sailing Marina and it did not go down.  I
> > > asked
> > > the guys there about the storm-pushing-the-water-out theory, and they
> > > assured me that did not happen. They report that all of the boats that
> > > sank
> > > were overloaded with wet snow, began listing to one side, took on water
> > > and
> > > went down.
> > >
> > > Mark P.
> > >
> > > I couldn't find the photos on your website of the flotation test.  Did
> > you
> > > do it with the mast installed?  Was it an IMF with Sail?  From the
> photo
> > > of
> > > the boat at WSM it looks like after she took on water and flooded the
> > > cockpit, the weight of the mast cause a 90 degree roll.  I suspect that
> > > they
> > > righted her and were then able to bail/pump her out.
> > >
> > > Hank
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 10:31 AM, stan <stan at rhodes22.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >> thanks CC - but with no indication of water depth I still can't tell
> if
> > >> the
> > >> boat is sitting on the bottom or if the floatation has succeeded in
> > >> keeping
> > >> the boat afloat even with all that flooding.
> > >>
> > >> ss
> > >>
> > >> ----- Original Message -----
> > >> From: "cowie" <ccowie at cowieassociates.com>
> > >> To: <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > >>  Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 11:29 AM
> > >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Washington Sailing Marina
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> >
> > >> > Stan:
> > >> >
> > >> > I previoulsy posted a pdf file that includes two photos of the
> Rhodes
> > >> > 22
> > >> > at
> > >> > the Washingtong Sailing Marina and she is not submerged rather
> flooded
> > >> > with
> > >> > water.   I will try to post the pdf file again.
> > >> >
> > >> > http://old.nabble.com/file/p27823731/r22WSM.pdf r22WSM.pdf
> > >> >
> > >> > Cowie
> > >> > R22 2009 Opus
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > stanleyl wrote:
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Thanks all for the feedback but I am still flying blind here
> because
> > I
> > >> am
> > >> >> still missing the answer as to whether any of the 6 boats were
> > >> completely
> > >> >> submerged so that the deck top was under water.  I had asked that
> > >> >> question
> > >> >> to get an idea of water depth.  From what I am hearing, the Rhodes
> > was
> > >> >> never
> > >> >> completely submerged.   Were any others?
> > >> >>
> > >> >> If so, that would indicate deep water and that since the Rhodes
> deck
> > >> >> was
> > >> >> still above water, the floatation had done its job.  If all boats
> had
> > >> >> their
> > >> >> decks above water that would indicate shallow depth and therefore
> no
> > >> >> positive indication of successful floatation since the boats were
> > >> sitting
> > >> >> on
> > >> >> the bottom, not able to go down far enough to get to the flotation
> > >> level.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> I am interested in getting the hard facts because it is very
> > expensive
> > >> >> for
> > >> >> us to conduct such tests and so we only did it once and those
> photos
> > >> >> showed
> > >> >> that the floatation took over when the water lever went just above
> > the
> > >> >> cockpit seat level.   We would be satisfied if the water level
> > reaches
> > >> >> the
> > >> >> cabin roof before floatation is effective.  In the only report I
> > >> >> recall
> > >> >> hearing from an owner, attorney Paul Clevenger said that a rouge
> wave
> > >> >> lifted
> > >> >> his boat and put it back in the water upside down and it floated
> and
> > >> they
> > >> >> disconnected the mast and were able to right it.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> stan/gbi
> > >> >>
> > >> >> ----- Original Message -----
> > >> >> From: <mputnam1 at aol.com>
> > >> >> To: <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > >> >> Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 10:30 AM
> > >> >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Washington Sailing Marina
> > >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> My boat is at the Washington Sailing Marina and it did not go
> down.
> > >> >>> I
> > >> >>> asked the guys there about the storm-pushing-the-water-out theory,
> > >> >>> and
> > >> >>> they assured me that did not happen. They report that all of the
> > >> >>> boats
> > >> >>> that sank were overloaded with wet snow, began listing to one
> side,
> > >> took
> > >> >>> on water and went down.
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> Mark P.
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> -----Original Message-----
> > >> >>> From: R22RumRunner at aol.com
> > >> >>> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> > >> >>> Sent: Mon, Mar 8, 2010 6:25 am
> > >> >>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Washington Sailing Marina
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> Stan,
> > >> >>> 've been wondering about this ever since it was posted that the
> > boats
> > >> >>> went
> > >> >>> down. The only thing that makes sense to me is that this is a
> > shallow
> > >> >>> arina and  the storm pushed the water out, allowing the boats to
> > >> >>> reach
> > >> >>> the
> > >> >>> ottom. Boats  without positive flotation didn't have a chance and
> > >> >>> probably
> > >> >>> illed with water  as the water came back in. The Rhodes had the
> best
> > >> >>> chance of
> > >> >>> urvivability  because of the flotation. It was probably filled
> with
> > >> >>> water
> > >> >>> nd mud, but still  floating as the water returned.
> > >> >>> everal sailboats were laid over on Lake Hartwell when the water
> went
> > >> >>> down
> > >> >>> aster than the owners could move them. When the water level came
> > back
> > >> >>> up,
> > >> >>> any  of these boats simply filled with water and laid on the
> bottom
> > >> >>> waiting
> > >> >>> or  someone to raise them. Attached is a photo of a San Juan 25
> that
> > >> was
> > >> >>> aised  recently. It sat on the bottom for about nine months before
> > >> >>> the
> > >> >>> owner
> > >> >>> ad her  raised.
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> ummy
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> n a message dated 3/7/2010 1:16:51 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> > >> >>> tan at rhodes22.com writes:
> > >> >>> Dave,
> > >> >>> I have not had a clear picture of what  happened.   Were all boats
> > >> >>> ompletely
> > >> >>> nder water or were parts  of the decks (other than the masts)
> still
> > >> >>> above
> > >> >>> ater  level?
> > >> >>> stan/gbi
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> -------------- next part --------------
> > >> >>> non-text attachment was scrubbed...
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> > >> >>> ype: image/jpeg
> > >> >>> ize: 1123147 bytes
> > >> >>> esc: not available
> > >> >>> rl :
> > >> >>>
> > >>
> >
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> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2010 12:25:42 -0500
> From: "Chris Cowie" <ccowie at cowieassociates.com>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Washington Sailing Marina
> To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Message-ID:
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>
> Stan:
>
> Given the other boats floating nearby I would say that the Rhodes is
> floating.
>
> Christopher P. Cowie? ??
>
>
> 4400 MacArthur Blvd, NW
> Suite 300
> Washington, DC? 20007
> 202.342.2711
> 202.342.2691 fax
> 202.270.1470 mobile
>
> [ccowie at cowieassociates.com]
> cowieassociates.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org [mailto:
> rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of stan
> Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2010 10:32 AM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Washington Sailing Marina
>
> thanks CC - but with no indication of water depth I still can't tell if the
> boat is sitting on the bottom or if the floatation has succeeded in keeping
> the boat afloat even with all that flooding.
>
> ss
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "cowie" <ccowie at cowieassociates.com>
> To: <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 11:29 AM
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Washington Sailing Marina
>
>
> >
> > Stan:
> >
> > I previoulsy posted a pdf file that includes two photos of the Rhodes 22
> > at
> > the Washingtong Sailing Marina and she is not submerged rather flooded
> > with
> > water.   I will try to post the pdf file again.
> >
> > http://old.nabble.com/file/p27823731/r22WSM.pdf r22WSM.pdf
> >
> > Cowie
> > R22 2009 Opus
> >
> >
> > stanleyl wrote:
> >>
> >> Thanks all for the feedback but I am still flying blind here because I
> am
> >> still missing the answer as to whether any of the 6 boats were
> completely
> >> submerged so that the deck top was under water.  I had asked that
> >> question
> >> to get an idea of water depth.  From what I am hearing, the Rhodes was
> >> never
> >> completely submerged.   Were any others?
> >>
> >> If so, that would indicate deep water and that since the Rhodes deck was
> >> still above water, the floatation had done its job.  If all boats had
> >> their
> >> decks above water that would indicate shallow depth and therefore no
> >> positive indication of successful floatation since the boats were
> sitting
> >> on
> >> the bottom, not able to go down far enough to get to the flotation
> level.
> >>
> >> I am interested in getting the hard facts because it is very expensive
> >> for
> >> us to conduct such tests and so we only did it once and those photos
> >> showed
> >> that the floatation took over when the water lever went just above the
> >> cockpit seat level.   We would be satisfied if the water level reaches
> >> the
> >> cabin roof before floatation is effective.  In the only report I recall
> >> hearing from an owner, attorney Paul Clevenger said that a rouge wave
> >> lifted
> >> his boat and put it back in the water upside down and it floated and
> they
> >> disconnected the mast and were able to right it.
> >>
> >> stan/gbi
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: <mputnam1 at aol.com>
> >> To: <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> >> Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 10:30 AM
> >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Washington Sailing Marina
> >>
> >>
> >>>
> >>> My boat is at the Washington Sailing Marina and it did not go down.  I
> >>> asked the guys there about the storm-pushing-the-water-out theory, and
> >>> they assured me that did not happen. They report that all of the boats
> >>> that sank were overloaded with wet snow, began listing to one side,
> took
> >>> on water and went down.
> >>>
> >>> Mark P.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: R22RumRunner at aol.com
> >>> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> >>> Sent: Mon, Mar 8, 2010 6:25 am
> >>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Washington Sailing Marina
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Stan,
> >>> 've been wondering about this ever since it was posted that the boats
> >>> went
> >>> down. The only thing that makes sense to me is that this is a shallow
> >>> arina and  the storm pushed the water out, allowing the boats to reach
> >>> the
> >>> ottom. Boats  without positive flotation didn't have a chance and
> >>> probably
> >>> illed with water  as the water came back in. The Rhodes had the best
> >>> chance of
> >>> urvivability  because of the flotation. It was probably filled with
> >>> water
> >>> nd mud, but still  floating as the water returned.
> >>> everal sailboats were laid over on Lake Hartwell when the water went
> >>> down
> >>> aster than the owners could move them. When the water level came back
> >>> up,
> >>> any  of these boats simply filled with water and laid on the bottom
> >>> waiting
> >>> or  someone to raise them. Attached is a photo of a San Juan 25 that
> was
> >>> aised  recently. It sat on the bottom for about nine months before the
> >>> owner
> >>> ad her  raised.
> >>>
> >>> ummy
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> n a message dated 3/7/2010 1:16:51 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> >>> tan at rhodes22.com writes:
> >>> Dave,
> >>> I have not had a clear picture of what  happened.   Were all boats
> >>> ompletely
> >>> nder water or were parts  of the decks (other than the masts) still
> >>> above
> >>> ater  level?
> >>> stan/gbi
> >>>
> >>> -------------- next part --------------
> >>> non-text attachment was scrubbed...
> >>> ame: not available
> >>> ype: image/jpeg
> >>> ize: 1123147 bytes
> >>> esc: not available
> >>> rl :
> >>>
> http://www.rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20100308/d70522bf/attachment.jpeg
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> >
> > --
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> Message: 3
> Date: Tue, 09 Mar 2010 12:24:57 -0500
> From: mputnam1 at aol.com
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Washington Sailing Marina
> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
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> Stan's right -- we can't know for sure if the boat was floating in the
> picture -- there are fairly significant tides in the marina, so who knows if
> it's low or high tide.  I can't find the photos to take a look at the docks
> relative to the land.
>
>
> Mark P.
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Chris Cowie <ccowie at cowieassociates.com>
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Sent: Tue, Mar 9, 2010 12:25 pm
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Washington Sailing Marina
>
>
> Stan:
>
> Given the other boats floating nearby I would say that the Rhodes is
> floating.
>
> Christopher P. Cowie
>
>
> 4400 MacArthur Blvd, NW
> Suite 300
> Washington, DC  20007
> 202.342.2711
> 202.342.2691 fax
> 202.270.1470 mobile
>
> [ccowie at cowieassociates.com]
> cowieassociates.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org [mailto:
> rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org]
> On Behalf Of stan
> Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2010 10:32 AM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Washington Sailing Marina
>
> thanks CC - but with no indication of water depth I still can't tell if the
> boat is sitting on the bottom or if the floatation has succeeded in keeping
> the boat afloat even with all that flooding.
>
> ss
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "cowie" <ccowie at cowieassociates.com>
> To: <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 11:29 AM
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Washington Sailing Marina
>
>
> >
> > Stan:
> >
> > I previoulsy posted a pdf file that includes two photos of the Rhodes 22
> > at
> > the Washingtong Sailing Marina and she is not submerged rather flooded
> > with
> > water.   I will try to post the pdf file again.
> >
> > http://old.nabble.com/file/p27823731/r22WSM.pdf r22WSM.pdf
> >
> > Cowie
> > R22 2009 Opus
> >
> >
> > stanleyl wrote:
> >>
> >> Thanks all for the feedback but I am still flying blind here because I
> am
> >> still missing the answer as to whether any of the 6 boats were
> completely
> >> submerged so that the deck top was under water.  I had asked that
> >> question
> >> to get an idea of water depth.  From what I am hearing, the Rhodes was
> >> never
> >> completely submerged.   Were any others?
> >>
> >> If so, that would indicate deep water and that since the Rhodes deck was
> >> still above water, the floatation had done its job.  If all boats had
> >> their
> >> decks above water that would indicate shallow depth and therefore no
> >> positive indication of successful floatation since the boats were
> sitting
> >> on
> >> the bottom, not able to go down far enough to get to the flotation
> level.
> >>
> >> I am interested in getting the hard facts because it is very expensive
> >> for
> >> us to conduct such tests and so we only did it once and those photos
> >> showed
> >> that the floatation took over when the water lever went just above the
> >> cockpit seat level.   We would be satisfied if the water level reaches
> >> the
> >> cabin roof before floatation is effective.  In the only report I recall
> >> hearing from an owner, attorney Paul Clevenger said that a rouge wave
> >> lifted
> >> his boat and put it back in the water upside down and it floated and
> they
> >> disconnected the mast and were able to right it.
> >>
> >> stan/gbi
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: <mputnam1 at aol.com>
> >> To: <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> >> Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 10:30 AM
> >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Washington Sailing Marina
> >>
> >>
> >>>
> >>> My boat is at the Washington Sailing Marina and it did not go down.  I
> >>> asked the guys there about the storm-pushing-the-water-out theory, and
> >>> they assured me that did not happen. They report that all of the boats
> >>> that sank were overloaded with wet snow, began listing to one side,
> took
> >>> on water and went down.
> >>>
> >>> Mark P.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: R22RumRunner at aol.com
> >>> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> >>> Sent: Mon, Mar 8, 2010 6:25 am
> >>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Washington Sailing Marina
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Stan,
> >>> 've been wondering about this ever since it was posted that the boats
> >>> went
> >>> down. The only thing that makes sense to me is that this is a shallow
> >>> arina and  the storm pushed the water out, allowing the boats to reach
> >>> the
> >>> ottom. Boats  without positive flotation didn't have a chance and
> >>> probably
> >>> illed with water  as the water came back in. The Rhodes had the best
> >>> chance of
> >>> urvivability  because of the flotation. It was probably filled with
> >>> water
> >>> nd mud, but still  floating as the water returned.
> >>> everal sailboats were laid over on Lake Hartwell when the water went
> >>> down
> >>> aster than the owners could move them. When the water level came back
> >>> up,
> >>> any  of these boats simply filled with water and laid on the bottom
> >>> waiting
> >>> or  someone to raise them. Attached is a photo of a San Juan 25 that
> was
> >>> aised  recently. It sat on the bottom for about nine months before the
> >>> owner
> >>> ad her  raised.
> >>>
> >>> ummy
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> n a message dated 3/7/2010 1:16:51 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> >>> tan at rhodes22.com writes:
> >>> Dave,
> >>> I have not had a clear picture of what  happened.   Were all boats
> >>> ompletely
> >>> nder water or were parts  of the decks (other than the masts) still
> >>> above
> >>> ater  level?
> >>> stan/gbi
> >>>
> >>> -------------- next part --------------
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> >>> esc: not available
> >>> rl :
> >>>
> http://www.rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20100308/d70522bf/attachment.jpeg
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> >>> go
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> >>>
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> >>>
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> >>
> >> __________________________________________________
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> >>
> >> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives
> go
> >> to http://www.rhodes22.org/list
> >> __________________________________________________
> >>
> >>
> >
> > --
> > View this message in context:
> > http://old.nabble.com/Washington-Sailing-Marina-tp27816104p27823731.html
> > Sent from the Rhodes 22 mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
> >
> > __________________________________________________
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> >
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> > to http://www.rhodes22.org/list
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>
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>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Tue, 09 Mar 2010 14:12:43 -0500
> From: "E.Andler" <edward.andler at verizon.net>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes 22 computer model
> To: "'The Rhodes 22 Email List'" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Message-ID: <D93AFEF05D204904A89A616016A64494 at owner9d0456dc8>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
>
> Not bad for only being a second semester freshman
> The kid's got talent.............
> (Sorry for the parental bragging)
> Ed
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
> [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of cowie
> Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2010 3:52 PM
> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes 22 computer model
>
>
> Your son's (in) tuition is right on.  I spent about 1/2 hour drafting
> three
> schematic hull sections and then used the "loft" command, imported the
> hull
> resultant hull shape into google earth, added a mast and boom and wala I
> have a goofy looking Rhodes 22 shape.  Now tell your son you have a
> summer
> project for him to measure your boat and create a more accurate computer
> model.
>
> Enclosed is a pdf file with three images.
>
> http://old.nabble.com/file/p27786391/r22.pdf r22.pdf
>
>
>
> Edward-58 wrote:
> >
> > Chris & Mike:
> > I forwarded your emails about the free Cad program to my son who is a
> > Mechanical Engineering student (He has used the Google program
> before.)
> > He also responded on how to mold a 3D hull on a Cad program
> > I'm going to cut & paste what he said because I have no idea what he
> is
> > talking about (I sell empty bottles for a living) If his suggestion
> > works its nice to know he is actually learning something at school
> > I would love to see if someone can do it using this method
> > Keep me informed
> > Good Luck
> > Ed A
> > Here is his response:
> >       "You can tell them the easiest way to get the boat curves
> > accurately is to make a few section cuts in 2D (using polylines),
> align
> > them in 3D space, and then use the LOFT command in autoCAD so that you
> > can accurately reflect the fact that both the XY and XZ planes of the
> > boat are curving simultaneously at different angles (ie the hull
> curves
> > both downwards towards the water and backwards from the bow to the
> > stern)"
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
> > [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of cowie
> > Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2010 2:20 PM
> > To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] The best little drafting program and it's
> > free!
> >
> >
> > Mike:
> >
> > I have been using AutoCad, AutoCad Architect and more recently
> Autodesk
> > Revit for architectural design and drafting in addition to Sketch up
> for
> > design illustrations.  AutoCad Architect tried to be a 3D design and
> > drafting tool but Revit has taken this idea much further.  Revit
> allows
> > us
> > to build a virtual model in 3d and test relationships of various
> design
> > elements and  create a set of construction documents and renderings
> from
> > the
> > single model file.  The various components within the model such as
> > doors,
> > windows, walls etc... have smart dynamic attributes that can be linked
> > to
> > various tables, charts, product web sites, quantity tables, contractor
> > cost
> > estimates etc...
> >
> > We used to use 3d studio max to create 3d renderings but this was much
> > too
> > complicated a program.  Sketchup is a great product.  I think Google
> has
> > the
> > right idea in providing this univeral, easy to use product to a mass
> > market
> > for free.  Autodesk robs us every year with a mandatory subscription
> > that
> > cost me over $700 per each of my five liscenses.  Sketchup does not
> > produce
> > the same level of documentation as Revit however so I am stuck
> > supporting
> > Revit.
> >
> > I would love to see if anyone has success in creating a 3d model of
> the
> > Rhodes 22 in sketchup or any other program.  I explored this a bit but
> > the
> > complex hull curvature makes it a real challange.  My goal is to map
> out
> > electronic and other components in a 3d model of our boats.  Let me
> know
> > if
> > anyone has success in this.  It would be pretty easy to share sketchup
> > models and collaborate.
> >
> >
> > Google warehouse is a good place to look for existing models.
> Enclosed
> > is
> > an imgage from a sailboat model found in the google warehouse.
> >
> > http://old.nabble.com/file/p27737330/sailboat50.jpg sailboat50.jpg
> >
> > Chris Cowie
> > Opus R22 2009
> >
> >
> > R22MikeW wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi fellow Rhodies,
> >>
> >> I got tired of trying to do diagrams in Windows Paint program and
> > didn't
> >> feel like purchasing a license / copy of AutoCAD ($$$$) for simple
> >> documentation drawings for the boat and home.  I turned to Google
> > search
> >> and found a product that I still cannot believe is FREE!  It is
> called
> >> Google SketchUp (http://sketchup.google.com/).  I doubt any of us
> need
> >> SketchUp Pro ($495.)  I downloaded a copy of SketchUp 7 and watched
> > the
> >> video tutorials.  The product is outrageous!  3D perspective drawings
> > are
> >> a breeze.  Auto-dimensioning, textures, everything that I could ask
> > for!
> >> Very intuitive and forgiving (love the infinite undo levels!)  Try it
> >> before they raise the price!
> >>
> >> Mike
> >> s/v Shanghai'd Summer ('81)
> >> Nissequogue River, NY
> >> __________________________________________________
> >> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to
> >> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
> >>
> >> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and
> archives
> > go
> >> to http://www.rhodes22.org/list
> >> __________________________________________________
> >>
> >>
> >
> > --
> > View this message in context:
> >
> http://old.nabble.com/The-best-little-drafting-program-and-it%27s-free%2
> > 1-tp27731255p27737330.html
> > Sent from the Rhodes 22 mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
> >
> > __________________________________________________
> > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to
> > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
> >
> > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives
> > go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list
> > __________________________________________________
> >
> > __________________________________________________
> > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to
> > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
> >
> > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives
> go
> > to http://www.rhodes22.org/list
> > __________________________________________________
> >
> >
> http://old.nabble.com/file/p27786391/r22.pdf r22.pdf
> --
> View this message in context:
> http://old.nabble.com/The-best-little-drafting-program-and-it%27s-free%2
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> Sent from the Rhodes 22 mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
>
> __________________________________________________
> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to
> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
>
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> go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list
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>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2010 15:15:28 -0500
> From: Matthew Porter <matthewporter27 at gmail.com>
> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Hello!
> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> Message-ID:
>        <212aa3ea1003091215v357808b7hb9734263b0be2ebd at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
> Hello everyone,
>
> I'm new to the list and wanted to introduce myself.  I'm the soon-to-be
> owner of a 1995/2002 Rhodes 22.  My uncle has decided that he'll get more
> enjoyment out of his Rhodes if he gives her to me, his (very lucky and
> appreciative) nephew who happens to live in Maryland with easy access to
> the
> Severn River and Chesapeake Bay.
>
> I've enjoyed reading through your list archives and getting an insider's
> perspective on the Rhodes 22.  My wife and I are still a bit in shock over
> the "inheritance;" my uncle (who would be the first to tell you that he's
> the king stupid purchases) seems to have picked the perfect boat.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Matt Porter
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2010 15:47:27 -0500
> From: "Chris Cowie" <ccowie at cowieassociates.com>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Hello!
> To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Message-ID:
>        <FB33F8F99740DB4688040C1ED75BB89F24AFE2 at sbs2003.CowieSBS.local>
> Content-Type: text/plain;       charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> Matt:
>
> Welcome to the list and congratulations on your inheritance. This will be
> my second season sailing my Rhodes 2009.  The Chesapeake Bay is a great
> place to sail.  Do you plan to trailer your boat or put her in a slip?  I am
> in a slip at Herrington Harbor North.
>
> Christopher P. Cowie? ??
>
>
> 4400 MacArthur Blvd, NW
> Suite 300
> Washington, DC? 20007
> 202.342.2711
> 202.342.2691 fax
> 202.270.1470 mobile
>
> [ccowie at cowieassociates.com]
> cowieassociates.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org [mailto:
> rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Matthew Porter
> Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2010 3:15 PM
> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Hello!
>
> Hello everyone,
>
> I'm new to the list and wanted to introduce myself.  I'm the soon-to-be
> owner of a 1995/2002 Rhodes 22.  My uncle has decided that he'll get more
> enjoyment out of his Rhodes if he gives her to me, his (very lucky and
> appreciative) nephew who happens to live in Maryland with easy access to
> the
> Severn River and Chesapeake Bay.
>
> I've enjoyed reading through your list archives and getting an insider's
> perspective on the Rhodes 22.  My wife and I are still a bit in shock over
> the "inheritance;" my uncle (who would be the first to tell you that he's
> the king stupid purchases) seems to have picked the perfect boat.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Matt Porter
> __________________________________________________
> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to
> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
>
> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go
> to http://www.rhodes22.org/list
> __________________________________________________
>
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> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2010 16:02:40 EST
> From: R22RumRunner at aol.com
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Hello!
> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> Message-ID: <2bb2b.7ba33e30.38c81170 at aol.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
>
> Matt, Welcome to the list. Any chance we would know your uncle????
>
> Rummy
>
>
> In a message dated 3/9/2010 3:15:48 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> matthewporter27 at gmail.com writes:
>
> Hello  everyone,
>
> I'm new to the list and wanted to introduce myself.  I'm  the soon-to-be
> owner of a 1995/2002 Rhodes 22.  My uncle has decided  that he'll get more
> enjoyment out of his Rhodes if he gives her to me, his  (very lucky and
> appreciative) nephew who happens to live in Maryland with  easy access to
> the
> Severn River and Chesapeake Bay.
>
> I've enjoyed  reading through your list archives and getting an insider's
> perspective on  the Rhodes 22.  My wife and I are still a bit in shock over
> the  "inheritance;" my uncle (who would be the first to tell you that he's
> the  king stupid purchases) seems to have picked the perfect boat.
>
> Best  regards,
>
> Matt  Porter
> __________________________________________________
> To  subscribe/unsubscribe go to
> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
>
> For the list  Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go
> to  http://www.rhodes22.org/list
> __________________________________________________
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 8
> Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2010 14:24:36 -0500
> From: "KUHN, LELAND" <LKUHN at cnmc.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes 22 computer model
> To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Message-ID:
>        <BAEF334992594C47AD272D6B69E6C36002348827 at EXCHVS02.cnmc.org>
> Content-Type: text/plain;       charset="us-ascii"
>
> Ed,
>
> I'm also impressed with your son, but what do I know.  I thought a Cad
> was the opposite of a Gentleman.
>
> Lee
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
> [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of E.Andler
> Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2010 2:13 PM
> To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List'
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes 22 computer model
>
> Not bad for only being a second semester freshman
> The kid's got talent.............
> (Sorry for the parental bragging)
> Ed
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
> [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of cowie
> Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2010 3:52 PM
> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes 22 computer model
>
>
> Your son's (in) tuition is right on.  I spent about 1/2 hour drafting
> three
> schematic hull sections and then used the "loft" command, imported the
> hull
> resultant hull shape into google earth, added a mast and boom and wala I
> have a goofy looking Rhodes 22 shape.  Now tell your son you have a
> summer
> project for him to measure your boat and create a more accurate computer
> model.
>
> Enclosed is a pdf file with three images.
>
> http://old.nabble.com/file/p27786391/r22.pdf r22.pdf
>
>
>
> Edward-58 wrote:
> >
> > Chris & Mike:
> > I forwarded your emails about the free Cad program to my son who is a
> > Mechanical Engineering student (He has used the Google program
> before.)
> > He also responded on how to mold a 3D hull on a Cad program
> > I'm going to cut & paste what he said because I have no idea what he
> is
> > talking about (I sell empty bottles for a living) If his suggestion
> > works its nice to know he is actually learning something at school
> > I would love to see if someone can do it using this method
> > Keep me informed
> > Good Luck
> > Ed A
> > Here is his response:
> >       "You can tell them the easiest way to get the boat curves
> > accurately is to make a few section cuts in 2D (using polylines),
> align
> > them in 3D space, and then use the LOFT command in autoCAD so that you
> > can accurately reflect the fact that both the XY and XZ planes of the
> > boat are curving simultaneously at different angles (ie the hull
> curves
> > both downwards towards the water and backwards from the bow to the
> > stern)"
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
> > [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of cowie
> > Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2010 2:20 PM
> > To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] The best little drafting program and it's
> > free!
> >
> >
> > Mike:
> >
> > I have been using AutoCad, AutoCad Architect and more recently
> Autodesk
> > Revit for architectural design and drafting in addition to Sketch up
> for
> > design illustrations.  AutoCad Architect tried to be a 3D design and
> > drafting tool but Revit has taken this idea much further.  Revit
> allows
> > us
> > to build a virtual model in 3d and test relationships of various
> design
> > elements and  create a set of construction documents and renderings
> from
> > the
> > single model file.  The various components within the model such as
> > doors,
> > windows, walls etc... have smart dynamic attributes that can be linked
> > to
> > various tables, charts, product web sites, quantity tables, contractor
> > cost
> > estimates etc...
> >
> > We used to use 3d studio max to create 3d renderings but this was much
> > too
> > complicated a program.  Sketchup is a great product.  I think Google
> has
> > the
> > right idea in providing this univeral, easy to use product to a mass
> > market
> > for free.  Autodesk robs us every year with a mandatory subscription
> > that
> > cost me over $700 per each of my five liscenses.  Sketchup does not
> > produce
> > the same level of documentation as Revit however so I am stuck
> > supporting
> > Revit.
> >
> > I would love to see if anyone has success in creating a 3d model of
> the
> > Rhodes 22 in sketchup or any other program.  I explored this a bit but
> > the
> > complex hull curvature makes it a real challange.  My goal is to map
> out
> > electronic and other components in a 3d model of our boats.  Let me
> know
> > if
> > anyone has success in this.  It would be pretty easy to share sketchup
> > models and collaborate.
> >
> >
> > Google warehouse is a good place to look for existing models.
> Enclosed
> > is
> > an imgage from a sailboat model found in the google warehouse.
> >
> > http://old.nabble.com/file/p27737330/sailboat50.jpg sailboat50.jpg
> >
> > Chris Cowie
> > Opus R22 2009
> >
> >
> > R22MikeW wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi fellow Rhodies,
> >>
> >> I got tired of trying to do diagrams in Windows Paint program and
> > didn't
> >> feel like purchasing a license / copy of AutoCAD ($$$$) for simple
> >> documentation drawings for the boat and home.  I turned to Google
> > search
> >> and found a product that I still cannot believe is FREE!  It is
> called
> >> Google SketchUp (http://sketchup.google.com/).  I doubt any of us
> need
> >> SketchUp Pro ($495.)  I downloaded a copy of SketchUp 7 and watched
> > the
> >> video tutorials.  The product is outrageous!  3D perspective drawings
> > are
> >> a breeze.  Auto-dimensioning, textures, everything that I could ask
> > for!
> >> Very intuitive and forgiving (love the infinite undo levels!)  Try it
> >> before they raise the price!
> >>
> >> Mike
> >> s/v Shanghai'd Summer ('81)
> >> Nissequogue River, NY
> >> __________________________________________________
> >> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to
> >> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
> >>
> >> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and
> archives
> > go
> >> to http://www.rhodes22.org/list
> >> __________________________________________________
> >>
> >>
> >
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> Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2010 16:51:59 -0500 (GMT-05:00)
> From: "Arthur H. Czerwonky" <czerwonky at earthlink.net>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Washington Sailing Marina
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
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> Parts of the Potomac are quite shallow, and this may be the case here.  At
> least some of the airport, not too distant from this marina, was built onto
> landfill.  You may be able to get a depth, Mark.
>
> Art
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> >From: mputnam1 at aol.com
> >Sent: Mar 9, 2010 12:24 PM
> >To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> >Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Washington Sailing Marina
> >
> >Stan's right -- we can't know for sure if the boat was floating in the
> picture -- there are fairly significant tides in the marina, so who knows if
> it's low or high tide.  I can't find the photos to take a look at the docks
> relative to the land.
> >
> >
> >Mark P.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Chris Cowie <ccowie at cowieassociates.com>
> >To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> >Sent: Tue, Mar 9, 2010 12:25 pm
> >Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Washington Sailing Marina
> >
> >
> >Stan:
> >
> >Given the other boats floating nearby I would say that the Rhodes is
> floating.
> >
> >Christopher P. Cowie
> >
> >
> >4400 MacArthur Blvd, NW
> >Suite 300
> >Washington, DC  20007
> >202.342.2711
> >202.342.2691 fax
> >202.270.1470 mobile
> >
> >[ccowie at cowieassociates.com]
> >cowieassociates.com
> >
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org [mailto:
> rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org]
> >On Behalf Of stan
> >Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2010 10:32 AM
> >To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
> >Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Washington Sailing Marina
> >
> >thanks CC - but with no indication of water depth I still can't tell if
> the
> >boat is sitting on the bottom or if the floatation has succeeded in
> keeping
> >the boat afloat even with all that flooding.
> >
> >ss
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "cowie" <ccowie at cowieassociates.com>
> >To: <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> >Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 11:29 AM
> >Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Washington Sailing Marina
> >
> >
> >>
> >> Stan:
> >>
> >> I previoulsy posted a pdf file that includes two photos of the Rhodes 22
> >> at
> >> the Washingtong Sailing Marina and she is not submerged rather flooded
> >> with
> >> water.   I will try to post the pdf file again.
> >>
> >> http://old.nabble.com/file/p27823731/r22WSM.pdf r22WSM.pdf
> >>
> >> Cowie
> >> R22 2009 Opus
> >>
> >>
> >> stanleyl wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Thanks all for the feedback but I am still flying blind here because I
> am
> >>> still missing the answer as to whether any of the 6 boats were
> completely
> >>> submerged so that the deck top was under water.  I had asked that
> >>> question
> >>> to get an idea of water depth.  From what I am hearing, the Rhodes was
> >>> never
> >>> completely submerged.   Were any others?
> >>>
> >>> If so, that would indicate deep water and that since the Rhodes deck
> was
> >>> still above water, the floatation had done its job.  If all boats had
> >>> their
> >>> decks above water that would indicate shallow depth and therefore no
> >>> positive indication of successful floatation since the boats were
> sitting
> >>> on
> >>> the bottom, not able to go down far enough to get to the flotation
> level.
> >>>
> >>> I am interested in getting the hard facts because it is very expensive
> >>> for
> >>> us to conduct such tests and so we only did it once and those photos
> >>> showed
> >>> that the floatation took over when the water lever went just above the
> >>> cockpit seat level.   We would be satisfied if the water level reaches
> >>> the
> >>> cabin roof before floatation is effective.  In the only report I recall
> >>> hearing from an owner, attorney Paul Clevenger said that a rouge wave
> >>> lifted
> >>> his boat and put it back in the water upside down and it floated and
> they
> >>> disconnected the mast and were able to right it.
> >>>
> >>> stan/gbi
> >>>
> >>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>> From: <mputnam1 at aol.com>
> >>> To: <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> >>> Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 10:30 AM
> >>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Washington Sailing Marina
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>> My boat is at the Washington Sailing Marina and it did not go down.  I
> >>>> asked the guys there about the storm-pushing-the-water-out theory, and
> >>>> they assured me that did not happen. They report that all of the boats
> >>>> that sank were overloaded with wet snow, began listing to one side,
> took
> >>>> on water and went down.
> >>>>
> >>>> Mark P.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>> From: R22RumRunner at aol.com
> >>>> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> >>>> Sent: Mon, Mar 8, 2010 6:25 am
> >>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Washington Sailing Marina
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Stan,
> >>>> 've been wondering about this ever since it was posted that the boats
> >>>> went
> >>>> down. The only thing that makes sense to me is that this is a shallow
> >>>> arina and  the storm pushed the water out, allowing the boats to reach
> >>>> the
> >>>> ottom. Boats  without positive flotation didn't have a chance and
> >>>> probably
> >>>> illed with water  as the water came back in. The Rhodes had the best
> >>>> chance of
> >>>> urvivability  because of the flotation. It was probably filled with
> >>>> water
> >>>> nd mud, but still  floating as the water returned.
> >>>> everal sailboats were laid over on Lake Hartwell when the water went
> >>>> down
> >>>> aster than the owners could move them. When the water level came back
> >>>> up,
> >>>> any  of these boats simply filled with water and laid on the bottom
> >>>> waiting
> >>>> or  someone to raise them. Attached is a photo of a San Juan 25 that
> was
> >>>> aised  recently. It sat on the bottom for about nine months before the
> >>>> owner
> >>>> ad her  raised.
> >>>>
> >>>> ummy
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> n a message dated 3/7/2010 1:16:51 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> >>>> tan at rhodes22.com writes:
> >>>> Dave,
> >>>> I have not had a clear picture of what  happened.   Were all boats
> >>>> ompletely
> >>>> nder water or were parts  of the decks (other than the masts) still
> >>>> above
> >>>> ater  level?
> >>>> stan/gbi
> >>>>
> >>>> -------------- next part --------------
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> Message: 10
> Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2010 16:59:20 -0500 (GMT-05:00)
> From: "Arthur H. Czerwonky" <czerwonky at earthlink.net>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Washington Sailing Marina
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
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> Maybe of interest in our fleet.  I have been quite impressed with a new
> Garmin 10X, available only thru them.  It is quite small with LiIon 22 hr
> power, bluetooth connecting and impressive.  Give me a holler if curious.
>
> Art
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> >From: mputnam1 at aol.com
> >Sent: Mar 9, 2010 12:10 PM
> >To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> >Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Washington Sailing Marina
> >
> >Stan,
> >
> >
> >The number Mary Lou gave you is correct: 703-548-9027.  The manager's name
> is Brian Pavlik and he should be in the office today.  He's a good guy and
> I'm sure he'll answer your questions.
> >
> >
> >Mark P.
> >
> >
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Hank <hnw555 at gmail.com>
> >To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> >Sent: Tue, Mar 9, 2010 11:06 am
> >Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Washington Sailing Marina
> >
> >
> >Stan,
> >
> >Maybe nobody knows for sure.  Give the Marina a call and ask them.
> >
> >Hank
> >
> >On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 11:01 AM, stan <stan at rhodes22.com> wrote:
> >
> >> I feel like Judge Judy - no one is answering my question of whether the
> >> water at those slips is deep enough so that a down boat would be under
> >> water.  ( I never asked and had no interest in the water in and out
> >> theory).
> >> I thought it was a simple question that would establish if a boat went
> down
> >> no further because it was sitting on the bottom or it went down no
> further
> >> because it was being supported at that level by floatation.
> >>
> >> ss
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Hank" <hnw555 at gmail.com>
> >> To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> >> Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2010 10:44 AM
> >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Washington Sailing Marina
> >>
> >>
> >> > Stan,
> >> >
> >> > I think Mark did answer your question.
> >> >
> >> > My boat is at the Washington Sailing Marina and it did not go down.  I
> >> > asked
> >> > the guys there about the storm-pushing-the-water-out theory, and they
> >> > assured me that did not happen. They report that all of the boats that
> >> > sank
> >> > were overloaded with wet snow, began listing to one side, took on
> water
> >> > and
> >> > went down.
> >> >
> >> > Mark P.
> >> >
> >> > I couldn't find the photos on your website of the flotation test.  Did
> >> you
> >> > do it with the mast installed?  Was it an IMF with Sail?  From the
> photo
> >> > of
> >> > the boat at WSM it looks like after she took on water and flooded the
> >> > cockpit, the weight of the mast cause a 90 degree roll.  I suspect
> that
> >> > they
> >> > righted her and were then able to bail/pump her out.
> >> >
> >> > Hank
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 10:31 AM, stan <stan at rhodes22.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> thanks CC - but with no indication of water depth I still can't tell
> if
> >> >> the
> >> >> boat is sitting on the bottom or if the floatation has succeeded in
> >> >> keeping
> >> >> the boat afloat even with all that flooding.
> >> >>
> >> >> ss
> >> >>
> >> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> >> From: "cowie" <ccowie at cowieassociates.com>
> >> >> To: <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> >> >>  Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 11:29 AM
> >> >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Washington Sailing Marina
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Stan:
> >> >> >
> >> >> > I previoulsy posted a pdf file that includes two photos of the
> Rhodes
> >> >> > 22
> >> >> > at
> >> >> > the Washingtong Sailing Marina and she is not submerged rather
> flooded
> >> >> > with
> >> >> > water.   I will try to post the pdf file again.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > http://old.nabble.com/file/p27823731/r22WSM.pdf r22WSM.pdf
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Cowie
> >> >> > R22 2009 Opus
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > stanleyl wrote:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Thanks all for the feedback but I am still flying blind here
> because
> >> I
> >> >> am
> >> >> >> still missing the answer as to whether any of the 6 boats were
> >> >> completely
> >> >> >> submerged so that the deck top was under water.  I had asked that
> >> >> >> question
> >> >> >> to get an idea of water depth.  From what I am hearing, the Rhodes
> >> was
> >> >> >> never
> >> >> >> completely submerged.   Were any others?
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> If so, that would indicate deep water and that since the Rhodes
> deck
> >> >> >> was
> >> >> >> still above water, the floatation had done its job.  If all boats
> had
> >> >> >> their
> >> >> >> decks above water that would indicate shallow depth and therefore
> no
> >> >> >> positive indication of successful floatation since the boats were
> >> >> sitting
> >> >> >> on
> >> >> >> the bottom, not able to go down far enough to get to the flotation
> >> >> level.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> I am interested in getting the hard facts because it is very
> >> expensive
> >> >> >> for
> >> >> >> us to conduct such tests and so we only did it once and those
> photos
> >> >> >> showed
> >> >> >> that the floatation took over when the water lever went just above
> >> the
> >> >> >> cockpit seat level.   We would be satisfied if the water level
> >> reaches
> >> >> >> the
> >> >> >> cabin roof before floatation is effective.  In the only report I
> >> >> >> recall
> >> >> >> hearing from an owner, attorney Paul Clevenger said that a rouge
> wave
> >> >> >> lifted
> >> >> >> his boat and put it back in the water upside down and it floated
> and
> >> >> they
> >> >> >> disconnected the mast and were able to right it.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> stan/gbi
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> >> >> From: <mputnam1 at aol.com>
> >> >> >> To: <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> >> >> >> Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 10:30 AM
> >> >> >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Washington Sailing Marina
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>> My boat is at the Washington Sailing Marina and it did not go
> down.
> >> >> >>> I
> >> >> >>> asked the guys there about the storm-pushing-the-water-out
> theory,
> >> >> >>> and
> >> >> >>> they assured me that did not happen. They report that all of the
> >> >> >>> boats
> >> >> >>> that sank were overloaded with wet snow, began listing to one
> side,
> >> >> took
> >> >> >>> on water and went down.
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>> Mark P.
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >> >> >>> From: R22RumRunner at aol.com
> >> >> >>> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> >> >> >>> Sent: Mon, Mar 8, 2010 6:25 am
> >> >> >>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Washington Sailing Marina
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>> Stan,
> >> >> >>> 've been wondering about this ever since it was posted that the
> >> boats
> >> >> >>> went
> >> >> >>> down. The only thing that makes sense to me is that this is a
> >> shallow
> >> >> >>> arina and  the storm pushed the water out, allowing the boats to
> >> >> >>> reach
> >> >> >>> the
> >> >> >>> ottom. Boats  without positive flotation didn't have a chance and
> >> >> >>> probably
> >> >> >>> illed with water  as the water came back in. The Rhodes had the
> best
> >> >> >>> chance of
> >> >> >>> urvivability  because of the flotation. It was probably filled
> with
> >> >> >>> water
> >> >> >>> nd mud, but still  floating as the water returned.
> >> >> >>> everal sailboats were laid over on Lake Hartwell when the water
> went
> >> >> >>> down
> >> >> >>> aster than the owners could move them. When the water level came
> >> back
> >> >> >>> up,
> >> >> >>> any  of these boats simply filled with water and laid on the
> bottom
> >> >> >>> waiting
> >> >> >>> or  someone to raise them. Attached is a photo of a San Juan 25
> that
> >> >> was
> >> >> >>> aised  recently. It sat on the bottom for about nine months
> before
> >> >> >>> the
> >> >> >>> owner
> >> >> >>> ad her  raised.
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>> ummy
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>> n a message dated 3/7/2010 1:16:51 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> >> >> >>> tan at rhodes22.com writes:
> >> >> >>> Dave,
> >> >> >>> I have not had a clear picture of what  happened.   Were all
> boats
> >> >> >>> ompletely
> >> >> >>> nder water or were parts  of the decks (other than the masts)
> still
> >> >> >>> above
> >> >> >>> ater  level?
> >> >> >>> stan/gbi
> >> >> >>>
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> Message: 11
> Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2010 16:08:08 -0500
> From: "KUHN, LELAND" <LKUHN at cnmc.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Hello!
> To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
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> Matt,
>
> Welcome you lucky heir!  Heirship might not be a bad name for your boat.
> Hotheir and Heirhead sound kind of nautical too.
>
> You may have seen in the archives that we have quite a few Rhodes22
> owners in and around the Annapolis area.  Have you found a marina yet?
>
> Lee
> 1986 Rhodes22  AT EASE
> Kent Island, MD
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
> [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Matthew Porter
> Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2010 3:15 PM
> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Hello!
>
> Hello everyone,
>
> I'm new to the list and wanted to introduce myself.  I'm the soon-to-be
> owner of a 1995/2002 Rhodes 22.  My uncle has decided that he'll get
> more
> enjoyment out of his Rhodes if he gives her to me, his (very lucky and
> appreciative) nephew who happens to live in Maryland with easy access to
> the
> Severn River and Chesapeake Bay.
>
> I've enjoyed reading through your list archives and getting an insider's
> perspective on the Rhodes 22.  My wife and I are still a bit in shock
> over
> the "inheritance;" my uncle (who would be the first to tell you that
> he's
> the king stupid purchases) seems to have picked the perfect boat.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Matt Porter
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> Message: 12
> Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2010 23:26:57 -0800
> From: "Geankoplis" <napoli68 at charter.net>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Positively positive flotation
> To: "'The Rhodes 22 Email List'" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
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> Lee,
>
>        You have nailed it, er uh, I mean uh.......
>
> Chris Da Greek G
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
> [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of KUHN, LELAND
> Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2010 06:13
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Positively positive flotation
>
> Chris da Greek,
>
> How's this?  "...she rolled over like a cheap, well-Rhode oar."
>
> Lee
> 1986 Rhodes22  AT EASE
> Kent Island, MD
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
> [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Geankoplis
> Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 9:44 PM
> To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List'
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Positively positive flotation
>
> Hey Stan,
>        Don't forget my similar experience when my 1st Rhodes (76) was
> turned turtle and the mast driven into the mud.  All I did was pull the
> cleaves pins and tabernacle bolt and voila' she rolled over like a cheap
> uh,
> uh, I need another analogy here.  Anyway, It took two frantic guys with
> 5
> gallon buckets a very short time to have her pretty much empty of water.
> The boat with standard mast floated well above the gunnels as I remember
> so
> bailing wasn't a problem.
> Chris  da Greek G
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
> [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of stan
> Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 08:15
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Washington Sailing Marina
>
> Thanks all for the feedback but I am still flying blind here because I
> am
> still missing the answer as to whether any of the 6 boats were
> completely
> submerged so that the deck top was under water.  I had asked that
> question
> to get an idea of water depth.  From what I am hearing, the Rhodes was
> never
>
> completely submerged.   Were any others?
>
> If so, that would indicate deep water and that since the Rhodes deck was
>
> still above water, the floatation had done its job.  If all boats had
> their
> decks above water that would indicate shallow depth and therefore no
> positive indication of successful floatation since the boats were
> sitting on
>
> the bottom, not able to go down far enough to get to the flotation
> level.
>
> I am interested in getting the hard facts because it is very expensive
> for
> us to conduct such tests and so we only did it once and those photos
> showed
> that the floatation took over when the water lever went just above the
> cockpit seat level.   We would be satisfied if the water level reaches
> the
> cabin roof before floatation is effective.  In the only report I recall
> hearing from an owner, attorney Paul Clevenger said that a rouge wave
> lifted
>
> his boat and put it back in the water upside down and it floated and
> they
> disconnected the mast and were able to right it.
>
> stan/gbi
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <mputnam1 at aol.com>
> To: <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 10:30 AM
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Washington Sailing Marina
>
>
> >
> > My boat is at the Washington Sailing Marina and it did not go down.  I
>
> > asked the guys there about the storm-pushing-the-water-out theory, and
>
> > they assured me that did not happen. They report that all of the boats
>
> > that sank were overloaded with wet snow, began listing to one side,
> took
> > on water and went down.
> >
> > Mark P.
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: R22RumRunner at aol.com
> > To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> > Sent: Mon, Mar 8, 2010 6:25 am
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Washington Sailing Marina
> >
> >
> > Stan,
> > 've been wondering about this ever since it was posted that the boats
> went
> > down. The only thing that makes sense to me is that this is a shallow
> > arina and  the storm pushed the water out, allowing the boats to reach
> the
> > ottom. Boats  without positive flotation didn't have a chance and
> probably
> > illed with water  as the water came back in. The Rhodes had the best
> > chance of
> > urvivability  because of the flotation. It was probably filled with
> water
> > nd mud, but still  floating as the water returned.
> > everal sailboats were laid over on Lake Hartwell when the water went
> down
> > aster than the owners could move them. When the water level came back
> up,
> > any  of these boats simply filled with water and laid on the bottom
> > waiting
> > or  someone to raise them. Attached is a photo of a San Juan 25 that
> was
> > aised  recently. It sat on the bottom for about nine months before the
>
> > owner
> > ad her  raised.
> >
> > ummy
> >
> >
> > n a message dated 3/7/2010 1:16:51 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> > tan at rhodes22.com writes:
> > Dave,
> > I have not had a clear picture of what  happened.   Were all boats
> > ompletely
> > nder water or were parts  of the decks (other than the masts) still
> above
> > ater  level?
> > stan/gbi
> >
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> Message: 13
> Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2010 09:08:04 -0500
> From: "Captainpy" <captainpy at verizon.net>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Tampa Bay
> To: <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
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> If you have never been to Tampa bay, A nice quick stop is at beer can
> Island.  Phil and I had gone there on a Pontoon a couple years ago from Mc
> Dill Airbase.  There is a dock there you can pull up to.  It looks very
> similar To the one in the movie Castaway with Tom Hanks.  It is not very
> large and you can walk around its perimeter in about 15-20 mins.  I walked
> along the Beach a few feet out into the water and had some shrimp scurry
> across my toes.
>
> Deena
>
>
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>   1. Re: Washington Sailing Marina (John Lock)
>   2. Re: Diamond Board Depth (Bob Keller)
>   3. Re: Tampa Bay area mini cruise (Bob Keller)
>   4. Re: Diamond Board Depth (cowie)
>   5. Re: Diamond Board Depth (Leland)
>   6. Re: Diamond Board Depth (Rick)
>   7. Re: Submerged Rhodes (Rick)
>   8. Re: Tampa Bay area mini cruise (Mike Cheung)
>   9. Re: Diamond Board Depth (Mary Lou Troy)
>  10. Re: Positively positive flotation (Geankoplis)
>  11. Re: Rhodes22-list Digest, Vol 2145, Issue 1 (Eugene D McGee)
>  12. Re: Rhodes22-list Digest, Vol 2145, Issue 1 (stan)
>  13. Re: Positively positive flotation (KUHN, LELAND)
>  14. Re: Washington Sailing Marina (stan)
>  15. Re: Washington Sailing Marina (Hank)
>  16. Re: Washington Sailing Marina (Mary Lou Troy)
>  17. Re: Washington Sailing Marina (stan)
>  18. Re: Washington Sailing Marina (Hank)
>  19. Re: Diamond Board Depth (Rick)
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Message: 1
> Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2010 12:12:50 -0500
> From: John Lock <jlock at relevantarts.com>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Washington Sailing Marina
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
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> If I recall from the photos, she was over on the port side.  So not
> likely to be the sink drain, since that's on the starboard side (for
> most of us anyway) and would have been well above the waterline when
> listing to port.
>
> Cheers!
> John Lock
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> s/v Pandion - '79 Rhodes 22
> Lake Sinclair, GA
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
>
> On Mar 8, 2010, at 11:28, Mary Lou Troy wrote:
> > Thanks for the input Mark. Still surprised that a R22 would go so far
> > over but if the cockpit drains were blocked water could get into the
> > cabin. If it listed far enough water could come in through the sink
> > drain. The way the boat was tied may also have interfered with it's
> > ability to remain level or to recover.
> >
> > Thanks again,
> > Mary Lou
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2010 16:23:07 -0500
> From: Bob Keller <r22yankeeclipper at hotmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Diamond Board Depth
> To: <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Message-ID: <SNT131-w28694B6880D13E66CFDAEBD1350 at phx.gbl>
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>
> Looks to me as if it is all the way down.
>
> BK
>
> > Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2010 05:30:26 -0800
> > From: ccowie at cowieassociates.com
> > To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Diamond Board Depth
> >
> >
> > I took advantage of the warm weather this weekend and got my boat ready
> for
> > the spring launch. With my boat up on jacks I was able to lower the
> diamond
> > board all the way and took some measurements. I measure 24" from the keel
> > to the bottom of diamond board and also measure 4-3" to 4'-6" from the
> water
> > line to the bottom of the diamond board. My question is this: is my
> > diamond board all the way down at 24"? I think it is as this seems to
> > match photos on the GB web site but just want to make sure. The older
> style
> > center board seems to be deeper? Also if the water line to bottom of
> > diamond board is 4'-3" less 24" when the board is up then the draft is
> about
> > 2'-3" not 20" noted on the GB site? Does the advertised 20" asume a
> slight
> > heel? Enclosed are some images for reference.
> >
> > http://old.nabble.com/file/p27819957/illustration_02.jpg
> illustration_02.jpg
> >
> > Cowie
> > Opus 2009
> > --
> > View this message in context:
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> Message: 3
> Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2010 16:30:35 -0500
> From: Bob Keller <r22yankeeclipper at hotmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Tampa Bay area mini cruise
> To: <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
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>
> Mike,
>
> Sounds like a good trip.  Please post your trip log when you return.  Not a
> real log, just what you did, where you sailed and how were the anchorages,
> marinas, restaurants, bars and beaches along the way.  We are considering
> going to the Tampa area for an R-22 trailersailing trip as it is only 5
> hours drive from us, but we always drive past there and go to Punta Gorda
> further south.  Let me know how it goes and how it is to sail around there.
>
> Thanks and good luck.
>
> Bob K
>
> > Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2010 08:08:47 -0800
> > From: mikecheung at att.net
> > To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Tampa Bay area mini cruise
> >
> >
> > My Admiral and I are bareboating a Beneteau 323 out of St Pete next week
> on a
> > 3 day / 2 night mini cruise. To make this Rhodes relevant, it was a close
> > call between bareboating and towing our Rhodes, s/v Muireann, down. And,
> in
> > more Rhodes relevance, our owning a 22' sailboat along with some ASA
> courses
> > completed before we got Muireann made bareboating easy. In the end,
> taking
> > our Mooney 231 down and bareboating won out over driving, this time. It
> was
> > close, but we're a little pressed for time so the 5 hour trip using the
> > Mooney won out over a probably 20 hour or more trip towing Muireann to
> FL.
>
> >
> > Anyway, our plans aren't firm yet, but the basic idea, assuming the
> weather
> > cooperates, is to visit Egmont Key day one, spend night one on the hook
> in
> > or near the Manatee River, and "play it be ear" for day two/ night two,
> > possibly returning to St Pete to hit the restaurants or spending another
> > night on the hook probably somewhere along the south side of Tampa Bay.
> >
> > Any "must see" or "must sail" stuff that we should be considering?
> >
> > Mike Cheung, s/v Muireann
> >
> > -----
> > Mike Cheung
> > s/v Muireann 1993/2008 Rhodes 22
> > --
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> Message: 4
> Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2010 14:41:56 -0800 (PST)
> From: cowie <ccowie at cowieassociates.com>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Diamond Board Depth
> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> Message-ID: <27828783.post at talk.nabble.com>
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>
>
> Bob:
>
> Thanks, I was hoping someone would tell me the board is only half way down
> and that by lowering it all the way I would improve my ability to point
> higher into the wind.  Suppose I just need to learn to adjust my sails
> better.  I seem to only be able to come to within about 50-60 degrees of
> the
> apparent wind when beating.  Enclosed is a trip I recorded last year on my
> iphone and then imported to cad in order to do a crude set of measurements.
> The average angle off the wind for the trip is about 54 degrees.  According
> to Wikipedia, see page two of the enclosed pdf file, that?s about average
> for a shallow draft boat.  At least it's better than 90 degrees for a
> square
> rigger; otherwise we would never get anywhere.
>
> http://old.nabble.com/file/p27828783/trip_01.pdf trip_01.pdf
>
>
> Bob Keller wrote:
> >
> >
> > Looks to me as if it is all the way down.
> >
> > BK
> >
> >> Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2010 05:30:26 -0800
> >> From: ccowie at cowieassociates.com
> >> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> >> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Diamond Board Depth
> >>
> >>
> >> I took advantage of the warm weather this weekend and got my boat ready
> >> for
> >> the spring launch. With my boat up on jacks I was able to lower the
> >> diamond
> >> board all the way and took some measurements. I measure 24" from the
> keel
> >> to the bottom of diamond board and also measure 4-3" to 4'-6" from the
> >> water
> >> line to the bottom of the diamond board. My question is this: is my
> >> diamond board all the way down at 24"? I think it is as this seems to
> >> match photos on the GB web site but just want to make sure. The older
> >> style
> >> center board seems to be deeper? Also if the water line to bottom of
> >> diamond board is 4'-3" less 24" when the board is up then the draft is
> >> about
> >> 2'-3" not 20" noted on the GB site? Does the advertised 20" asume a
> >> slight
> >> heel? Enclosed are some images for reference.
> >>
> >> http://old.nabble.com/file/p27819957/illustration_02.jpg
> >> illustration_02.jpg
> >>
> >> Cowie
> >> Opus 2009
> >> --
> >> View this message in context:
> >> http://old.nabble.com/Diamond-Board-Depth-tp27819957p27819957.html
> >> Sent from the Rhodes 22 mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
> >>
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> Message: 5
> Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2010 15:33:20 -0800 (PST)
> From: Leland <LKUHN at cnmc.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Diamond Board Depth
> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
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>
>
> Chris,
>
> Several years ago I measured 45 degrees in a 12 knot wind, serious chop,
> full main pulled tight with the traveler centered, board down, boom down,
> hands-free with the tiller locked.  The Genoa sheets were run across the
> cabin top between the inside shrouds and mast so the headsail was pulled
> tight to almost 100%.
>
> I'm certainly no expert but to get the Genoa tight enough for good pointing
> it seems like you need to run the sheets as close to the inside as
> possible.
>
> I frequently run them between the inside and outside shrouds across the
> deck
> and am guessing that I'm still not hitting 50 degrees into the wind.
>  Having
> the board down only helps until your sails start luffing.
>
> I'd love to hear some other opinions on this.  It wouldn't be the first
> time
> I've been wrong on my sailing advice. :)
>
> Lee
> 1986 Rhodes22  AT EASE
> Kent Island, MD
>
>
>
>
>
> cowie wrote:
> >
> > Bob:
> >
> > Thanks, I was hoping someone would tell me the board is only half way
> down
> > and that by lowering it all the way I would improve my ability to point
> > higher into the wind.  Suppose I just need to learn to adjust my sails
> > better.  I seem to only be able to come to within about 50-60 degrees of
> > the apparent wind when beating.  Enclosed is a trip I recorded last year
> > on my iphone and then imported to cad in order to do a crude set of
> > measurements.  The average angle off the wind for the trip is about 54
> > degrees.  According to Wikipedia, see page two of the enclosed pdf file,
> > that?s about average for a shallow draft boat.  At least it's better than
> > 90 degrees for a square rigger; otherwise we would never get anywhere.
> >
> >  http://old.nabble.com/file/p27828783/trip_01.pdf trip_01.pdf
> >
> >
> > Bob Keller wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> Looks to me as if it is all the way down.
> >>
> >> BK
> >>
> >>> Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2010 05:30:26 -0800
> >>> From: ccowie at cowieassociates.com
> >>> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> >>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Diamond Board Depth
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> I took advantage of the warm weather this weekend and got my boat ready
> >>> for
> >>> the spring launch. With my boat up on jacks I was able to lower the
> >>> diamond
> >>> board all the way and took some measurements. I measure 24" from the
> >>> keel
> >>> to the bottom of diamond board and also measure 4-3" to 4'-6" from the
> >>> water
> >>> line to the bottom of the diamond board. My question is this: is my
> >>> diamond board all the way down at 24"? I think it is as this seems to
> >>> match photos on the GB web site but just want to make sure. The older
> >>> style
> >>> center board seems to be deeper? Also if the water line to bottom of
> >>> diamond board is 4'-3" less 24" when the board is up then the draft is
> >>> about
> >>> 2'-3" not 20" noted on the GB site? Does the advertised 20" asume a
> >>> slight
> >>> heel? Enclosed are some images for reference.
> >>>
> >>> http://old.nabble.com/file/p27819957/illustration_02.jpg
> >>> illustration_02.jpg
> >>>
> >>> Cowie
> >>> Opus 2009
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> ------------------------------
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> Message: 6
> Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2010 19:45:56 -0500
> From: Rick <sloopblueheron at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Diamond Board Depth
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Message-ID:
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>
> Chris,
>
> I don't see your turning block.  Mine is always exposed when my boat is on
> the lift
> --handy for inspecting.  So unless the picture just doesn't show the block,
> I would say you need to move your stop knot a bit down the hauling line.
>
> Rick
>
> On Mon, Mar 8, 2010 at 8:30 AM, cowie <ccowie at cowieassociates.com> wrote:
>
> >
> > I took advantage of the warm weather this weekend and got my boat ready
> for
> > the spring launch.  With my boat up on jacks I was able to lower the
> > diamond
> > board all the way and took some measurements.  I measure 24" from the
> keel
> > to the bottom of diamond board and also measure 4-3" to 4'-6" from the
> > water
> > line to the bottom of the diamond board.  My question is this:  is my
> > diamond board all the way down at 24"?   I think it is as this seems to
> > match photos on the GB web site but just want to make sure.  The older
> > style
> > center board seems to be deeper?  Also if the water line to bottom of
> > diamond board is 4'-3" less 24" when the board is up then the draft is
> > about
> > 2'-3" not 20" noted on the GB site?  Does the advertised 20" asume a
> slight
> > heel?  Enclosed are some images for reference.
> >
> >
> http://old.nabble.com/file/p27819957/illustration_02.jpgillustration_02.jpg
> >
> > Cowie
> > Opus 2009
> > --
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> Message: 7
> Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2010 20:16:44 -0500
> From: Rick <sloopblueheron at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Submerged Rhodes
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Message-ID:
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>
> Derek,
>
> Sorry, I misread your question.  The blue is pretty pale.
>
> Rick
>
> On Mon, Mar 8, 2010 at 7:37 AM, Derek Dodson <ddodson at ebcc.com> wrote:
>
> > I understand about the Teflon and copper but I also want a dark blue
> > bottom. Right now my Rhodes is aqua green and that is not my choice of
> > color. I know you really can't see that much when it is in water but most
> of
> > time it is on trailer.
> >
> > Derek Dodson
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org [mailto:
> > rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Rick
> > Sent: Friday, March 05, 2010 8:11 PM
> > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
> >  Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Submerged Rhodes
> >
> > Derek,
> >
> > The color makes no difference.  Its all about the teflon and copper
> oxide.
> >
> > Rummy,
> >
> > I doubt there is anything worse than Lake Erie gunk.  It even includes
> > zebra
> > and quagire mussels.  With VC17, it just power washes off once a year.
> >
> > I know a guy who smuggles VC17 into Florida to paint his boat docked in
> > brackish water where ocean mussels grow.  (VC17 is not legal in every
> > state.)
> >
> > Rick
> >
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 9:31 AM, Derek Dodson <ddodson at ebcc.com> wrote:
> >
> > > I have to do a bottom paint job on my Rhodes. Has anyone used the V17
> > blue
> > > and if so is it a dark blue or light blue?
> > >
> > > Derek
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org [mailto:
> > > rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of R22RumRunner at aol.com
> > > Sent: Friday, March 05, 2010 5:52 AM
> > > To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> > >  Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Submerged Rhodes
> > >
> > > Rick,
> > > I already have the best bottom paint for this lake, but as stated, Lake
> > > Hartwell slime is impervious to almost every brand available. I will
> > still
> > > need  to scrape the bottom (lightly) at least once a year.
> > >
> > > Rummy
> > >
> > >
> > > In a message dated 3/4/2010 8:14:44 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> > > sloopblueheron at gmail.com writes:
> > >
> > > Rummy,
> > >
> > > Save yourself the cost and aggrivation of a floating  dock and paint
> the
> > > bottom with VC17.
> > >
> > > Rick
> > >
> > > On Thu, Mar 4, 2010  at 3:22 PM, <R22RumRunner at aol.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Stan,
> > > >  That's just one more reason for me to convince the admiral that we
> > need
> > > a
> > > > float for the R22 as well as her run about. The last time I checked,
> > >  they
> > > > ran  around $5,000.00 installed, but it sure would be nice  to get
> her
> > up
> > > > and
> > > > out of  the water. Even with bottom  paint, Lake Hartwell can leave a
> > > nasty
> > > > stripe around  the water  line.
> > > >
> > > > Rummy
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > In a message dated  3/4/2010 3:05:30 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> > > >  stan at rhodes22.com  writes:
> > > >
> > > > your and  Rummy of course are correct - I think  that is a shallow
> > water
> > > way
> > > > and  might theorize that the snow  load was enough to push it down
> > enough
> > > to
> > > > bed  the keel in the  mud (the self bailers would have been clogged)
> > and
> > > > once
> > > > full  of water it did not take much resistance to keep it   down?
> > > >
> > > > ss
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > >  From: "Michael D.  Weisner" <mweisner at ebsmed.com>
> > > > To: "The  Rhodes 22 Email List"  <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > > > Sent:  Thursday, March 04, 2010 2:54  PM
> > > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list]  Submerged Rhodes
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >  Stan,
> > > > >
> > > >  > I thought that ice floats on water?  If the ice  caused
> submersion,
> > > it
> > > > > would
> > > > > only be until it starts to  float  (hull might be under but not on
> > > > bottom.)
> > > >  >
> > > > > Mike
> > > > > s/v  Shanghai'd Summer ('81)
> > > >  > Nissequogue River, NY
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >  From:  "stan"  Thursday, March 04, 2010 2:05 PM
> > > > >> believe it -  I  think 6 went down and at least one was a Rhodes
> > > >  >>
> > > > >> the  weight of the ice was more than the  floatation could
>  handle.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> ss
> > > >  >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >> -----  Original Message  -----
> > > > >> From:  <R22RumRunner at aol.com>
> > > >  >> To:  <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > > > >> Sent:  Thursday, March 04, 2010  1:58 PM
> > > > >> Subject: Re:  [Rhodes22-list] Submerged  Rhodes
> > > > >>
> > > >  >>
> > > > >>> Marlan,
> > > > >>> I have   trouble believing that this is a Rhodes 22. R22's don't
> > > sink.
> > > >  >>>  They
> > > > >>> are built with positive   flotation.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>  Rummy
> > > >  >>>
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> In a message  dated  3/3/2010 12:21:18 P.M. Eastern Standard
> Time,
> > > >  >>>  marlangreen at hotmail.com  writes:
> > > >  >>>
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> This  was  sent  out through my sailing club. Washingotn Sailing
> > > Marina
> > > >  is
> > > > >>>  on
> > > > >>> the Virginia side of the  Potomac. I'm not sure if  this is a
> > Rhodes
> > > or
> > > > >>>  not.
> > > > >>> If it  is will  anyone out there save  it?
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> See attached  document  for  photos
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>   Marlan
> > > > >>>  Message:
> > > > >>>
> > > >  >>>
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> Per  discussions  with  Washington Sailing Marina (WSM) there
> > > > >>>  is  still one boat down (see pic #1  and #2 on this page).  It
> may
> > > be
> > > >  a
> > > > >>> Rhodes
> > > > >>> 22? Of  recent vintage with   ballpark before storm values of 5k
> or
> > > 10k
> > > > or
> > > > >>>  even
> > > > >>>   20k.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>
> > > >  >>> At the  going rate of 20 per foot for diver salvage   the
> > > > >>>  insurance company may be looking at the cost of  salvaging for 4
> > or
> > > 5k
> > > > a
> > > > >>> boat
> > > > >>>  which may only now be worth much  less.
> > > > >>> This may be  an opportunity  for a SCOW member to  make an offer
> on
> > > this
> > > >  >>> boat.  Per WSM a sealed   letter could be
> > > >  >>> mailed to the slip holder.  It may  say
> > > >  >>> something  akin to ? ?I?m willing to pay _____   (amount) for
> this
> > > boat?
> > > > .
> > > > >>> Note also  that  slip fees are  due on this slip
> > > > >>> on April 1st,   2010.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>
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> Message: 8
> Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2010 17:29:38 -0800 (PST)
> From: Mike Cheung <mikecheung at att.net>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Tampa Bay area mini cruise
> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
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>
> Bob ... will do.  And as much as we're looking forward to having the 323 to
> play with; I envy you the opportunity to ply those waters in an R22.
> Judging from some of the sounding's, you'll have less to "sweat" than we
> will with the 323 as we pick our way into the anchorage behind De Soto
> point.  Not to worry, we'll get Muireann down there sooner or later; our
> son
> is at USF for the next few years.  If we had three more days, we'd be
> towing
> Muireann down there for sure, but we're a little jammed up for time and the
> Mooney is whispering "choose me".
>
> Mike
>
>
> Bob Keller wrote:
> >
> >
> > Mike,
> >
> > Sounds like a good trip.  Please post your trip log when you return.  Not
> > a real log, just what you did, where you sailed and how were the
> > anchorages, marinas, restaurants, bars and beaches along the way.  We are
> > considering going to the Tampa area for an R-22 trailersailing trip as it
> > is only 5 hours drive from us, but we always drive past there and go to
> > Punta Gorda further south.  Let me know how it goes and how it is to sail
> > around there.
> >
> > Thanks and good luck.
> >
> > Bob K
> >
> > _
> >
> >
>
>
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> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 9
> Date: Mon, 08 Mar 2010 21:11:47 -0500
> From: Mary Lou Troy <mtroy at atlanticbb.net>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Diamond Board Depth
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Message-ID: <B9.46.21991.E6EA59B4 at BL-106>
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> What turning block? Is it on the board itself? I know there are a lot
> variations. Ours is a direct lift. No blocks.
>
> Mary Lou
>
> At 07:45 PM 3/8/2010, you wrote:
> >Chris,
> >
> >I don't see your turning block.  Mine is always exposed when my boat is on
> >the lift
> >--handy for inspecting.  So unless the picture just doesn't show the
> block,
> >I would say you need to move your stop knot a bit down the hauling line.
> >
> >Rick
> >
> >On Mon, Mar 8, 2010 at 8:30 AM, cowie <ccowie at cowieassociates.com> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > I took advantage of the warm weather this weekend and got my boat ready
> for
> > > the spring launch.  With my boat up on jacks I was able to lower the
> > > diamond
> > > board all the way and took some measurements.  I measure 24" from the
> keel
> > > to the bottom of diamond board and also measure 4-3" to 4'-6" from the
> > > water
> > > line to the bottom of the diamond board.  My question is this:  is my
> > > diamond board all the way down at 24"?   I think it is as this seems to
> > > match photos on the GB web site but just want to make sure.  The older
> > > style
> > > center board seems to be deeper?  Also if the water line to bottom of
> > > diamond board is 4'-3" less 24" when the board is up then the draft is
> > > about
> > > 2'-3" not 20" noted on the GB site?  Does the advertised 20" asume a
> slight
> > > heel?  Enclosed are some images for reference.
> > >
> > >
> http://old.nabble.com/file/p27819957/illustration_02.jpgillustration_02.jpg
> > >
> > > Cowie
> > > Opus 2009
> > > --
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> Message: 10
> Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2010 18:44:01 -0800
> From: "Geankoplis" <napoli68 at charter.net>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Positively positive flotation
> To: "'The Rhodes 22 Email List'" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
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> Hey Stan,
>        Don't forget my similar experience when my 1st Rhodes (76) was
> turned turtle and the mast driven into the mud.  All I did was pull the
> cleaves pins and tabernacle bolt and voila' she rolled over like a cheap
> uh,
> uh, I need another analogy here.  Anyway, It took two frantic guys with 5
> gallon buckets a very short time to have her pretty much empty of water.
> The boat with standard mast floated well above the gunnels as I remember so
> bailing wasn't a problem.
> Chris  da Greek G
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
> [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of stan
> Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 08:15
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Washington Sailing Marina
>
> Thanks all for the feedback but I am still flying blind here because I am
> still missing the answer as to whether any of the 6 boats were completely
> submerged so that the deck top was under water.  I had asked that question
> to get an idea of water depth.  From what I am hearing, the Rhodes was
> never
>
> completely submerged.   Were any others?
>
> If so, that would indicate deep water and that since the Rhodes deck was
> still above water, the floatation had done its job.  If all boats had their
> decks above water that would indicate shallow depth and therefore no
> positive indication of successful floatation since the boats were sitting
> on
>
> the bottom, not able to go down far enough to get to the flotation level.
>
> I am interested in getting the hard facts because it is very expensive for
> us to conduct such tests and so we only did it once and those photos showed
> that the floatation took over when the water lever went just above the
> cockpit seat level.   We would be satisfied if the water level reaches the
> cabin roof before floatation is effective.  In the only report I recall
> hearing from an owner, attorney Paul Clevenger said that a rouge wave
> lifted
>
> his boat and put it back in the water upside down and it floated and they
> disconnected the mast and were able to right it.
>
> stan/gbi
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <mputnam1 at aol.com>
> To: <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 10:30 AM
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Washington Sailing Marina
>
>
> >
> > My boat is at the Washington Sailing Marina and it did not go down.  I
> > asked the guys there about the storm-pushing-the-water-out theory, and
> > they assured me that did not happen. They report that all of the boats
> > that sank were overloaded with wet snow, began listing to one side, took
> > on water and went down.
> >
> > Mark P.
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: R22RumRunner at aol.com
> > To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> > Sent: Mon, Mar 8, 2010 6:25 am
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Washington Sailing Marina
> >
> >
> > Stan,
> > 've been wondering about this ever since it was posted that the boats
> went
> > down. The only thing that makes sense to me is that this is a shallow
> > arina and  the storm pushed the water out, allowing the boats to reach
> the
> > ottom. Boats  without positive flotation didn't have a chance and
> probably
> > illed with water  as the water came back in. The Rhodes had the best
> > chance of
> > urvivability  because of the flotation. It was probably filled with water
> > nd mud, but still  floating as the water returned.
> > everal sailboats were laid over on Lake Hartwell when the water went down
> > aster than the owners could move them. When the water level came back up,
> > any  of these boats simply filled with water and laid on the bottom
> > waiting
> > or  someone to raise them. Attached is a photo of a San Juan 25 that was
> > aised  recently. It sat on the bottom for about nine months before the
> > owner
> > ad her  raised.
> >
> > ummy
> >
> >
> > n a message dated 3/7/2010 1:16:51 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> > tan at rhodes22.com writes:
> > Dave,
> > I have not had a clear picture of what  happened.   Were all boats
> > ompletely
> > nder water or were parts  of the decks (other than the masts) still above
> > ater  level?
> > stan/gbi
> >
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> >
>
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> Message: 11
> Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2010 06:10:58 -0500
> From: "Eugene D McGee" <edavemcgee at cox.net>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes22-list Digest, Vol 2145, Issue 1
> To: <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Cc: 'stan' <stan at rhodes22.com>
> Message-ID: <1F673E6FB1FD44AB9E6F0DD291C30DC2 at D4GNX321>
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>
>
> Stan:
>
> I stopped by the marina on Saturday to see the Rhodes but she was already
> up
> so do not know. I bet you that they got her away from the dock, tugged her
> upright and pumped her out.
>
> Dave M.
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Message: 1
> Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2010 13:16:30 -0500
> From: "stan" <stan at rhodes22.com>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Washington Sailing Marina
> To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Message-ID: <82D8FCD4C9DB4273A2C81E87A3DE9EE8 at rhodes>
> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
>        reply-type=original
>
> Dave,
>
> I have not had a clear picture of what happened.   Were all boats
> completely
>
> under water or were parts of the decks (other than the masts) still above
> water level?
>
> stan/gbi
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 12
> Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2010 09:45:50 -0500
> From: "stan" <stan at rhodes22.com>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes22-list Digest, Vol 2145, Issue 1
> To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Message-ID: <EC7673F052C6489A80B81120982399D3 at rhodes>
> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
>        reply-type=original
>
> thanks but I have given up on my analysis since after three tries I can
> still not get an answer to water depth with my question of whether any of
> the 6 boats were under water.
>
> ss
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Eugene D McGee" <edavemcgee at cox.net>
> To: <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Cc: "'stan'" <stan at rhodes22.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2010 6:10 AM
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes22-list Digest, Vol 2145, Issue 1
>
>
> >
> >
> > Stan:
> >
> > I stopped by the marina on Saturday to see the Rhodes but she was already
> > up
> > so do not know. I bet you that they got her away from the dock, tugged
> her
> > upright and pumped her out.
> >
> > Dave M.
> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 1
> > Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2010 13:16:30 -0500
> > From: "stan" <stan at rhodes22.com>
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Washington Sailing Marina
> > To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > Message-ID: <82D8FCD4C9DB4273A2C81E87A3DE9EE8 at rhodes>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
> > reply-type=original
> >
> > Dave,
> >
> > I have not had a clear picture of what happened.   Were all boats
> > completely
> >
> > under water or were parts of the decks (other than the masts) still above
> > water level?
> >
> > stan/gbi
> >
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> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 13
> Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2010 09:12:43 -0500
> From: "KUHN, LELAND" <LKUHN at cnmc.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Positively positive flotation
> To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Message-ID:
>        <BAEF334992594C47AD272D6B69E6C360023487B7 at EXCHVS02.cnmc.org>
> Content-Type: text/plain;       charset="us-ascii"
>
> Chris da Greek,
>
> How's this?  "...she rolled over like a cheap, well-Rhode oar."
>
> Lee
> 1986 Rhodes22  AT EASE
> Kent Island, MD
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
> [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Geankoplis
> Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 9:44 PM
> To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List'
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Positively positive flotation
>
> Hey Stan,
>        Don't forget my similar experience when my 1st Rhodes (76) was
> turned turtle and the mast driven into the mud.  All I did was pull the
> cleaves pins and tabernacle bolt and voila' she rolled over like a cheap
> uh,
> uh, I need another analogy here.  Anyway, It took two frantic guys with
> 5
> gallon buckets a very short time to have her pretty much empty of water.
> The boat with standard mast floated well above the gunnels as I remember
> so
> bailing wasn't a problem.
> Chris  da Greek G
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
> [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of stan
> Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 08:15
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Washington Sailing Marina
>
> Thanks all for the feedback but I am still flying blind here because I
> am
> still missing the answer as to whether any of the 6 boats were
> completely
> submerged so that the deck top was under water.  I had asked that
> question
> to get an idea of water depth.  From what I am hearing, the Rhodes was
> never
>
> completely submerged.   Were any others?
>
> If so, that would indicate deep water and that since the Rhodes deck was
>
> still above water, the floatation had done its job.  If all boats had
> their
> decks above water that would indicate shallow depth and therefore no
> positive indication of successful floatation since the boats were
> sitting on
>
> the bottom, not able to go down far enough to get to the flotation
> level.
>
> I am interested in getting the hard facts because it is very expensive
> for
> us to conduct such tests and so we only did it once and those photos
> showed
> that the floatation took over when the water lever went just above the
> cockpit seat level.   We would be satisfied if the water level reaches
> the
> cabin roof before floatation is effective.  In the only report I recall
> hearing from an owner, attorney Paul Clevenger said that a rouge wave
> lifted
>
> his boat and put it back in the water upside down and it floated and
> they
> disconnected the mast and were able to right it.
>
> stan/gbi
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <mputnam1 at aol.com>
> To: <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 10:30 AM
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Washington Sailing Marina
>
>
> >
> > My boat is at the Washington Sailing Marina and it did not go down.  I
>
> > asked the guys there about the storm-pushing-the-water-out theory, and
>
> > they assured me that did not happen. They report that all of the boats
>
> > that sank were overloaded with wet snow, began listing to one side,
> took
> > on water and went down.
> >
> > Mark P.
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: R22RumRunner at aol.com
> > To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> > Sent: Mon, Mar 8, 2010 6:25 am
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Washington Sailing Marina
> >
> >
> > Stan,
> > 've been wondering about this ever since it was posted that the boats
> went
> > down. The only thing that makes sense to me is that this is a shallow
> > arina and  the storm pushed the water out, allowing the boats to reach
> the
> > ottom. Boats  without positive flotation didn't have a chance and
> probably
> > illed with water  as the water came back in. The Rhodes had the best
> > chance of
> > urvivability  because of the flotation. It was probably filled with
> water
> > nd mud, but still  floating as the water returned.
> > everal sailboats were laid over on Lake Hartwell when the water went
> down
> > aster than the owners could move them. When the water level came back
> up,
> > any  of these boats simply filled with water and laid on the bottom
> > waiting
> > or  someone to raise them. Attached is a photo of a San Juan 25 that
> was
> > aised  recently. It sat on the bottom for about nine months before the
>
> > owner
> > ad her  raised.
> >
> > ummy
> >
> >
> > n a message dated 3/7/2010 1:16:51 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> > tan at rhodes22.com writes:
> > Dave,
> > I have not had a clear picture of what  happened.   Were all boats
> > ompletely
> > nder water or were parts  of the decks (other than the masts) still
> above
> > ater  level?
> > stan/gbi
> >
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> Message: 14
> Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2010 10:31:31 -0500
> From: "stan" <stan at rhodes22.com>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Washington Sailing Marina
> To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
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> thanks CC - but with no indication of water depth I still can't tell if the
> boat is sitting on the bottom or if the floatation has succeeded in keeping
> the boat afloat even with all that flooding.
>
> ss
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "cowie" <ccowie at cowieassociates.com>
> To: <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 11:29 AM
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Washington Sailing Marina
>
>
> >
> > Stan:
> >
> > I previoulsy posted a pdf file that includes two photos of the Rhodes 22
> > at
> > the Washingtong Sailing Marina and she is not submerged rather flooded
> > with
> > water.   I will try to post the pdf file again.
> >
> > http://old.nabble.com/file/p27823731/r22WSM.pdf r22WSM.pdf
> >
> > Cowie
> > R22 2009 Opus
> >
> >
> > stanleyl wrote:
> >>
> >> Thanks all for the feedback but I am still flying blind here because I
> am
> >> still missing the answer as to whether any of the 6 boats were
> completely
> >> submerged so that the deck top was under water.  I had asked that
> >> question
> >> to get an idea of water depth.  From what I am hearing, the Rhodes was
> >> never
> >> completely submerged.   Were any others?
> >>
> >> If so, that would indicate deep water and that since the Rhodes deck was
> >> still above water, the floatation had done its job.  If all boats had
> >> their
> >> decks above water that would indicate shallow depth and therefore no
> >> positive indication of successful floatation since the boats were
> sitting
> >> on
> >> the bottom, not able to go down far enough to get to the flotation
> level.
> >>
> >> I am interested in getting the hard facts because it is very expensive
> >> for
> >> us to conduct such tests and so we only did it once and those photos
> >> showed
> >> that the floatation took over when the water lever went just above the
> >> cockpit seat level.   We would be satisfied if the water level reaches
> >> the
> >> cabin roof before floatation is effective.  In the only report I recall
> >> hearing from an owner, attorney Paul Clevenger said that a rouge wave
> >> lifted
> >> his boat and put it back in the water upside down and it floated and
> they
> >> disconnected the mast and were able to right it.
> >>
> >> stan/gbi
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: <mputnam1 at aol.com>
> >> To: <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> >> Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 10:30 AM
> >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Washington Sailing Marina
> >>
> >>
> >>>
> >>> My boat is at the Washington Sailing Marina and it did not go down.  I
> >>> asked the guys there about the storm-pushing-the-water-out theory, and
> >>> they assured me that did not happen. They report that all of the boats
> >>> that sank were overloaded with wet snow, began listing to one side,
> took
> >>> on water and went down.
> >>>
> >>> Mark P.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: R22RumRunner at aol.com
> >>> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> >>> Sent: Mon, Mar 8, 2010 6:25 am
> >>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Washington Sailing Marina
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Stan,
> >>> 've been wondering about this ever since it was posted that the boats
> >>> went
> >>> down. The only thing that makes sense to me is that this is a shallow
> >>> arina and  the storm pushed the water out, allowing the boats to reach
> >>> the
> >>> ottom. Boats  without positive flotation didn't have a chance and
> >>> probably
> >>> illed with water  as the water came back in. The Rhodes had the best
> >>> chance of
> >>> urvivability  because of the flotation. It was probably filled with
> >>> water
> >>> nd mud, but still  floating as the water returned.
> >>> everal sailboats were laid over on Lake Hartwell when the water went
> >>> down
> >>> aster than the owners could move them. When the water level came back
> >>> up,
> >>> any  of these boats simply filled with water and laid on the bottom
> >>> waiting
> >>> or  someone to raise them. Attached is a photo of a San Juan 25 that
> was
> >>> aised  recently. It sat on the bottom for about nine months before the
> >>> owner
> >>> ad her  raised.
> >>>
> >>> ummy
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> n a message dated 3/7/2010 1:16:51 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> >>> tan at rhodes22.com writes:
> >>> Dave,
> >>> I have not had a clear picture of what  happened.   Were all boats
> >>> ompletely
> >>> nder water or were parts  of the decks (other than the masts) still
> >>> above
> >>> ater  level?
> >>> stan/gbi
> >>>
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> Message: 15
> Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2010 10:44:45 -0500
> From: Hank <hnw555 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Washington Sailing Marina
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
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> Stan,
>
> I think Mark did answer your question.
>
> My boat is at the Washington Sailing Marina and it did not go down.  I
> asked
> the guys there about the storm-pushing-the-water-out theory, and they
> assured me that did not happen. They report that all of the boats that sank
> were overloaded with wet snow, began listing to one side, took on water and
> went down.
>
> Mark P.
>
> I couldn't find the photos on your website of the flotation test.  Did you
> do it with the mast installed?  Was it an IMF with Sail?  From the photo of
> the boat at WSM it looks like after she took on water and flooded the
> cockpit, the weight of the mast cause a 90 degree roll.  I suspect that
> they
> righted her and were then able to bail/pump her out.
>
> Hank
>
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 10:31 AM, stan <stan at rhodes22.com> wrote:
>
> > thanks CC - but with no indication of water depth I still can't tell if
> the
> > boat is sitting on the bottom or if the floatation has succeeded in
> keeping
> > the boat afloat even with all that flooding.
> >
> > ss
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "cowie" <ccowie at cowieassociates.com>
> > To: <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> >  Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 11:29 AM
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Washington Sailing Marina
> >
> >
> > >
> > > Stan:
> > >
> > > I previoulsy posted a pdf file that includes two photos of the Rhodes
> 22
> > > at
> > > the Washingtong Sailing Marina and she is not submerged rather flooded
> > > with
> > > water.   I will try to post the pdf file again.
> > >
> > > http://old.nabble.com/file/p27823731/r22WSM.pdf r22WSM.pdf
> > >
> > > Cowie
> > > R22 2009 Opus
> > >
> > >
> > > stanleyl wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Thanks all for the feedback but I am still flying blind here because I
> > am
> > >> still missing the answer as to whether any of the 6 boats were
> > completely
> > >> submerged so that the deck top was under water.  I had asked that
> > >> question
> > >> to get an idea of water depth.  From what I am hearing, the Rhodes was
> > >> never
> > >> completely submerged.   Were any others?
> > >>
> > >> If so, that would indicate deep water and that since the Rhodes deck
> was
> > >> still above water, the floatation had done its job.  If all boats had
> > >> their
> > >> decks above water that would indicate shallow depth and therefore no
> > >> positive indication of successful floatation since the boats were
> > sitting
> > >> on
> > >> the bottom, not able to go down far enough to get to the flotation
> > level.
> > >>
> > >> I am interested in getting the hard facts because it is very expensive
> > >> for
> > >> us to conduct such tests and so we only did it once and those photos
> > >> showed
> > >> that the floatation took over when the water lever went just above the
> > >> cockpit seat level.   We would be satisfied if the water level reaches
> > >> the
> > >> cabin roof before floatation is effective.  In the only report I
> recall
> > >> hearing from an owner, attorney Paul Clevenger said that a rouge wave
> > >> lifted
> > >> his boat and put it back in the water upside down and it floated and
> > they
> > >> disconnected the mast and were able to right it.
> > >>
> > >> stan/gbi
> > >>
> > >> ----- Original Message -----
> > >> From: <mputnam1 at aol.com>
> > >> To: <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > >> Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 10:30 AM
> > >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Washington Sailing Marina
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>> My boat is at the Washington Sailing Marina and it did not go down.
>  I
> > >>> asked the guys there about the storm-pushing-the-water-out theory,
> and
> > >>> they assured me that did not happen. They report that all of the
> boats
> > >>> that sank were overloaded with wet snow, began listing to one side,
> > took
> > >>> on water and went down.
> > >>>
> > >>> Mark P.
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> -----Original Message-----
> > >>> From: R22RumRunner at aol.com
> > >>> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> > >>> Sent: Mon, Mar 8, 2010 6:25 am
> > >>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Washington Sailing Marina
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> Stan,
> > >>> 've been wondering about this ever since it was posted that the boats
> > >>> went
> > >>> down. The only thing that makes sense to me is that this is a shallow
> > >>> arina and  the storm pushed the water out, allowing the boats to
> reach
> > >>> the
> > >>> ottom. Boats  without positive flotation didn't have a chance and
> > >>> probably
> > >>> illed with water  as the water came back in. The Rhodes had the best
> > >>> chance of
> > >>> urvivability  because of the flotation. It was probably filled with
> > >>> water
> > >>> nd mud, but still  floating as the water returned.
> > >>> everal sailboats were laid over on Lake Hartwell when the water went
> > >>> down
> > >>> aster than the owners could move them. When the water level came back
> > >>> up,
> > >>> any  of these boats simply filled with water and laid on the bottom
> > >>> waiting
> > >>> or  someone to raise them. Attached is a photo of a San Juan 25 that
> > was
> > >>> aised  recently. It sat on the bottom for about nine months before
> the
> > >>> owner
> > >>> ad her  raised.
> > >>>
> > >>> ummy
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> n a message dated 3/7/2010 1:16:51 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> > >>> tan at rhodes22.com writes:
> > >>> Dave,
> > >>> I have not had a clear picture of what  happened.   Were all boats
> > >>> ompletely
> > >>> nder water or were parts  of the decks (other than the masts) still
> > >>> above
> > >>> ater  level?
> > >>> stan/gbi
> > >>>
> > >>> -------------- next part --------------
> > >>> non-text attachment was scrubbed...
> > >>> ame: not available
> > >>> ype: image/jpeg
> > >>> ize: 1123147 bytes
> > >>> esc: not available
> > >>> rl :
> > >>>
> >
>
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> Message: 16
> Date: Tue, 09 Mar 2010 10:57:35 -0500
> From: Mary Lou Troy <mtroy at atlanticbb.net>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Washington Sailing Marina
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Message-ID: <8F.C5.07076.5FF669B4 at BL-206>
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>
> Assuming this is the right marina, you could always call them. If you
> can talk to the manager or dockmaster, I'm sure she or she will know
> what slip the R22 was in and what the depth is at that slip.
>
> Washington Sailing Marina
> www.washingtonsailingmarina.com
> 1 Marina Drive
> Alexandria, VA 22314-1143
> (703) 548-9027
>
>
> Mary Lou
>
>
>
>
> At 10:31 AM 3/9/2010, you wrote:
> >thanks CC - but with no indication of water depth I still can't tell if
> the
> >boat is sitting on the bottom or if the floatation has succeeded in
> keeping
> >the boat afloat even with all that flooding.
> >
> >ss
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "cowie" <ccowie at cowieassociates.com>
> >To: <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> >Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 11:29 AM
> >Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Washington Sailing Marina
> >
> >
> > >
> > > Stan:
> > >
> > > I previoulsy posted a pdf file that includes two photos of the Rhodes
> 22
> > > at
> > > the Washingtong Sailing Marina and she is not submerged rather flooded
> > > with
> > > water.   I will try to post the pdf file again.
> > >
> > > http://old.nabble.com/file/p27823731/r22WSM.pdf r22WSM.pdf
> > >
> > > Cowie
> > > R22 2009 Opus
> > >
> > >
> > > stanleyl wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Thanks all for the feedback but I am still flying blind here because I
> am
> > >> still missing the answer as to whether any of the 6 boats were
> completely
> > >> submerged so that the deck top was under water.  I had asked that
> > >> question
> > >> to get an idea of water depth.  From what I am hearing, the Rhodes was
> > >> never
> > >> completely submerged.   Were any others?
> > >>
> > >> If so, that would indicate deep water and that since the Rhodes deck
> was
> > >> still above water, the floatation had done its job.  If all boats had
> > >> their
> > >> decks above water that would indicate shallow depth and therefore no
> > >> positive indication of successful floatation since the boats were
> sitting
> > >> on
> > >> the bottom, not able to go down far enough to get to the flotation
> level.
> > >>
> > >> I am interested in getting the hard facts because it is very expensive
> > >> for
> > >> us to conduct such tests and so we only did it once and those photos
> > >> showed
> > >> that the floatation took over when the water lever went just above the
> > >> cockpit seat level.   We would be satisfied if the water level reaches
> > >> the
> > >> cabin roof before floatation is effective.  In the only report I
> recall
> > >> hearing from an owner, attorney Paul Clevenger said that a rouge wave
> > >> lifted
> > >> his boat and put it back in the water upside down and it floated and
> they
> > >> disconnected the mast and were able to right it.
> > >>
> > >> stan/gbi
> > >>
> > >> ----- Original Message -----
> > >> From: <mputnam1 at aol.com>
> > >> To: <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > >> Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 10:30 AM
> > >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Washington Sailing Marina
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>> My boat is at the Washington Sailing Marina and it did not go down.
>  I
> > >>> asked the guys there about the storm-pushing-the-water-out theory,
> and
> > >>> they assured me that did not happen. They report that all of the
> boats
> > >>> that sank were overloaded with wet snow, began listing to one side,
> took
> > >>> on water and went down.
> > >>>
> > >>> Mark P.
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> -----Original Message-----
> > >>> From: R22RumRunner at aol.com
> > >>> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> > >>> Sent: Mon, Mar 8, 2010 6:25 am
> > >>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Washington Sailing Marina
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> Stan,
> > >>> 've been wondering about this ever since it was posted that the boats
> > >>> went
> > >>> down. The only thing that makes sense to me is that this is a shallow
> > >>> arina and  the storm pushed the water out, allowing the boats to
> reach
> > >>> the
> > >>> ottom. Boats  without positive flotation didn't have a chance and
> > >>> probably
> > >>> illed with water  as the water came back in. The Rhodes had the best
> > >>> chance of
> > >>> urvivability  because of the flotation. It was probably filled with
> > >>> water
> > >>> nd mud, but still  floating as the water returned.
> > >>> everal sailboats were laid over on Lake Hartwell when the water went
> > >>> down
> > >>> aster than the owners could move them. When the water level came back
> > >>> up,
> > >>> any  of these boats simply filled with water and laid on the bottom
> > >>> waiting
> > >>> or  someone to raise them. Attached is a photo of a San Juan 25 that
> was
> > >>> aised  recently. It sat on the bottom for about nine months before
> the
> > >>> owner
> > >>> ad her  raised.
> > >>>
> > >>> ummy
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> n a message dated 3/7/2010 1:16:51 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> > >>> tan at rhodes22.com writes:
> > >>> Dave,
> > >>> I have not had a clear picture of what  happened.   Were all boats
> > >>> ompletely
> > >>> nder water or were parts  of the decks (other than the masts) still
> > >>> above
> > >>> ater  level?
> > >>> stan/gbi
> > >>>
> > >>> -------------- next part --------------
> > >>> non-text attachment was scrubbed...
> > >>> ame: not available
> > >>> ype: image/jpeg
> > >>> ize: 1123147 bytes
> > >>> esc: not available
> > >>> rl :
> > >>>
> >
>
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> Message: 17
> Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2010 11:01:27 -0500
> From: "stan" <stan at rhodes22.com>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Washington Sailing Marina
> To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
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>
> I feel like Judge Judy - no one is answering my question of whether the
> water at those slips is deep enough so that a down boat would be under
> water.  ( I never asked and had no interest in the water in and out
> theory).
>
> I thought it was a simple question that would establish if a boat went down
> no further because it was sitting on the bottom or it went down no further
> because it was being supported at that level by floatation.
>
> ss
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Hank" <hnw555 at gmail.com>
> To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2010 10:44 AM
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Washington Sailing Marina
>
>
> > Stan,
> >
> > I think Mark did answer your question.
> >
> > My boat is at the Washington Sailing Marina and it did not go down.  I
> > asked
> > the guys there about the storm-pushing-the-water-out theory, and they
> > assured me that did not happen. They report that all of the boats that
> > sank
> > were overloaded with wet snow, began listing to one side, took on water
> > and
> > went down.
> >
> > Mark P.
> >
> > I couldn't find the photos on your website of the flotation test.  Did
> you
> > do it with the mast installed?  Was it an IMF with Sail?  From the photo
> > of
> > the boat at WSM it looks like after she took on water and flooded the
> > cockpit, the weight of the mast cause a 90 degree roll.  I suspect that
> > they
> > righted her and were then able to bail/pump her out.
> >
> > Hank
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 10:31 AM, stan <stan at rhodes22.com> wrote:
> >
> >> thanks CC - but with no indication of water depth I still can't tell if
> >> the
> >> boat is sitting on the bottom or if the floatation has succeeded in
> >> keeping
> >> the boat afloat even with all that flooding.
> >>
> >> ss
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "cowie" <ccowie at cowieassociates.com>
> >> To: <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> >>  Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 11:29 AM
> >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Washington Sailing Marina
> >>
> >>
> >> >
> >> > Stan:
> >> >
> >> > I previoulsy posted a pdf file that includes two photos of the Rhodes
> >> > 22
> >> > at
> >> > the Washingtong Sailing Marina and she is not submerged rather flooded
> >> > with
> >> > water.   I will try to post the pdf file again.
> >> >
> >> > http://old.nabble.com/file/p27823731/r22WSM.pdf r22WSM.pdf
> >> >
> >> > Cowie
> >> > R22 2009 Opus
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > stanleyl wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> Thanks all for the feedback but I am still flying blind here because
> I
> >> am
> >> >> still missing the answer as to whether any of the 6 boats were
> >> completely
> >> >> submerged so that the deck top was under water.  I had asked that
> >> >> question
> >> >> to get an idea of water depth.  From what I am hearing, the Rhodes
> was
> >> >> never
> >> >> completely submerged.   Were any others?
> >> >>
> >> >> If so, that would indicate deep water and that since the Rhodes deck
> >> >> was
> >> >> still above water, the floatation had done its job.  If all boats had
> >> >> their
> >> >> decks above water that would indicate shallow depth and therefore no
> >> >> positive indication of successful floatation since the boats were
> >> sitting
> >> >> on
> >> >> the bottom, not able to go down far enough to get to the flotation
> >> level.
> >> >>
> >> >> I am interested in getting the hard facts because it is very
> expensive
> >> >> for
> >> >> us to conduct such tests and so we only did it once and those photos
> >> >> showed
> >> >> that the floatation took over when the water lever went just above
> the
> >> >> cockpit seat level.   We would be satisfied if the water level
> reaches
> >> >> the
> >> >> cabin roof before floatation is effective.  In the only report I
> >> >> recall
> >> >> hearing from an owner, attorney Paul Clevenger said that a rouge wave
> >> >> lifted
> >> >> his boat and put it back in the water upside down and it floated and
> >> they
> >> >> disconnected the mast and were able to right it.
> >> >>
> >> >> stan/gbi
> >> >>
> >> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> >> From: <mputnam1 at aol.com>
> >> >> To: <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> >> >> Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 10:30 AM
> >> >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Washington Sailing Marina
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>>
> >> >>> My boat is at the Washington Sailing Marina and it did not go down.
> >> >>> I
> >> >>> asked the guys there about the storm-pushing-the-water-out theory,
> >> >>> and
> >> >>> they assured me that did not happen. They report that all of the
> >> >>> boats
> >> >>> that sank were overloaded with wet snow, began listing to one side,
> >> took
> >> >>> on water and went down.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Mark P.
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >> >>> From: R22RumRunner at aol.com
> >> >>> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> >> >>> Sent: Mon, Mar 8, 2010 6:25 am
> >> >>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Washington Sailing Marina
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Stan,
> >> >>> 've been wondering about this ever since it was posted that the
> boats
> >> >>> went
> >> >>> down. The only thing that makes sense to me is that this is a
> shallow
> >> >>> arina and  the storm pushed the water out, allowing the boats to
> >> >>> reach
> >> >>> the
> >> >>> ottom. Boats  without positive flotation didn't have a chance and
> >> >>> probably
> >> >>> illed with water  as the water came back in. The Rhodes had the best
> >> >>> chance of
> >> >>> urvivability  because of the flotation. It was probably filled with
> >> >>> water
> >> >>> nd mud, but still  floating as the water returned.
> >> >>> everal sailboats were laid over on Lake Hartwell when the water went
> >> >>> down
> >> >>> aster than the owners could move them. When the water level came
> back
> >> >>> up,
> >> >>> any  of these boats simply filled with water and laid on the bottom
> >> >>> waiting
> >> >>> or  someone to raise them. Attached is a photo of a San Juan 25 that
> >> was
> >> >>> aised  recently. It sat on the bottom for about nine months before
> >> >>> the
> >> >>> owner
> >> >>> ad her  raised.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> ummy
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>> n a message dated 3/7/2010 1:16:51 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> >> >>> tan at rhodes22.com writes:
> >> >>> Dave,
> >> >>> I have not had a clear picture of what  happened.   Were all boats
> >> >>> ompletely
> >> >>> nder water or were parts  of the decks (other than the masts) still
> >> >>> above
> >> >>> ater  level?
> >> >>> stan/gbi
> >> >>>
> >> >>> -------------- next part --------------
> >> >>> non-text attachment was scrubbed...
> >> >>> ame: not available
> >> >>> ype: image/jpeg
> >> >>> ize: 1123147 bytes
> >> >>> esc: not available
> >> >>> rl :
> >> >>>
> >>
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> Message: 18
> Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2010 11:06:03 -0500
> From: Hank <hnw555 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Washington Sailing Marina
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
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> Stan,
>
> Maybe nobody knows for sure.  Give the Marina a call and ask them.
>
> Hank
>
> On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 11:01 AM, stan <stan at rhodes22.com> wrote:
>
> > I feel like Judge Judy - no one is answering my question of whether the
> > water at those slips is deep enough so that a down boat would be under
> > water.  ( I never asked and had no interest in the water in and out
> > theory).
> > I thought it was a simple question that would establish if a boat went
> down
> > no further because it was sitting on the bottom or it went down no
> further
> > because it was being supported at that level by floatation.
> >
> > ss
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Hank" <hnw555 at gmail.com>
> > To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2010 10:44 AM
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Washington Sailing Marina
> >
> >
> > > Stan,
> > >
> > > I think Mark did answer your question.
> > >
> > > My boat is at the Washington Sailing Marina and it did not go down.  I
> > > asked
> > > the guys there about the storm-pushing-the-water-out theory, and they
> > > assured me that did not happen. They report that all of the boats that
> > > sank
> > > were overloaded with wet snow, began listing to one side, took on water
> > > and
> > > went down.
> > >
> > > Mark P.
> > >
> > > I couldn't find the photos on your website of the flotation test.  Did
> > you
> > > do it with the mast installed?  Was it an IMF with Sail?  From the
> photo
> > > of
> > > the boat at WSM it looks like after she took on water and flooded the
> > > cockpit, the weight of the mast cause a 90 degree roll.  I suspect that
> > > they
> > > righted her and were then able to bail/pump her out.
> > >
> > > Hank
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 10:31 AM, stan <stan at rhodes22.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >> thanks CC - but with no indication of water depth I still can't tell
> if
> > >> the
> > >> boat is sitting on the bottom or if the floatation has succeeded in
> > >> keeping
> > >> the boat afloat even with all that flooding.
> > >>
> > >> ss
> > >>
> > >> ----- Original Message -----
> > >> From: "cowie" <ccowie at cowieassociates.com>
> > >> To: <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > >>  Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 11:29 AM
> > >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Washington Sailing Marina
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> >
> > >> > Stan:
> > >> >
> > >> > I previoulsy posted a pdf file that includes two photos of the
> Rhodes
> > >> > 22
> > >> > at
> > >> > the Washingtong Sailing Marina and she is not submerged rather
> flooded
> > >> > with
> > >> > water.   I will try to post the pdf file again.
> > >> >
> > >> > http://old.nabble.com/file/p27823731/r22WSM.pdf r22WSM.pdf
> > >> >
> > >> > Cowie
> > >> > R22 2009 Opus
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > stanleyl wrote:
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Thanks all for the feedback but I am still flying blind here
> because
> > I
> > >> am
> > >> >> still missing the answer as to whether any of the 6 boats were
> > >> completely
> > >> >> submerged so that the deck top was under water.  I had asked that
> > >> >> question
> > >> >> to get an idea of water depth.  From what I am hearing, the Rhodes
> > was
> > >> >> never
> > >> >> completely submerged.   Were any others?
> > >> >>
> > >> >> If so, that would indicate deep water and that since the Rhodes
> deck
> > >> >> was
> > >> >> still above water, the floatation had done its job.  If all boats
> had
> > >> >> their
> > >> >> decks above water that would indicate shallow depth and therefore
> no
> > >> >> positive indication of successful floatation since the boats were
> > >> sitting
> > >> >> on
> > >> >> the bottom, not able to go down far enough to get to the flotation
> > >> level.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> I am interested in getting the hard facts because it is very
> > expensive
> > >> >> for
> > >> >> us to conduct such tests and so we only did it once and those
> photos
> > >> >> showed
> > >> >> that the floatation took over when the water lever went just above
> > the
> > >> >> cockpit seat level.   We would be satisfied if the water level
> > reaches
> > >> >> the
> > >> >> cabin roof before floatation is effective.  In the only report I
> > >> >> recall
> > >> >> hearing from an owner, attorney Paul Clevenger said that a rouge
> wave
> > >> >> lifted
> > >> >> his boat and put it back in the water upside down and it floated
> and
> > >> they
> > >> >> disconnected the mast and were able to right it.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> stan/gbi
> > >> >>
> > >> >> ----- Original Message -----
> > >> >> From: <mputnam1 at aol.com>
> > >> >> To: <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > >> >> Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 10:30 AM
> > >> >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Washington Sailing Marina
> > >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> My boat is at the Washington Sailing Marina and it did not go
> down.
> > >> >>> I
> > >> >>> asked the guys there about the storm-pushing-the-water-out theory,
> > >> >>> and
> > >> >>> they assured me that did not happen. They report that all of the
> > >> >>> boats
> > >> >>> that sank were overloaded with wet snow, began listing to one
> side,
> > >> took
> > >> >>> on water and went down.
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> Mark P.
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> -----Original Message-----
> > >> >>> From: R22RumRunner at aol.com
> > >> >>> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> > >> >>> Sent: Mon, Mar 8, 2010 6:25 am
> > >> >>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Washington Sailing Marina
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> Stan,
> > >> >>> 've been wondering about this ever since it was posted that the
> > boats
> > >> >>> went
> > >> >>> down. The only thing that makes sense to me is that this is a
> > shallow
> > >> >>> arina and  the storm pushed the water out, allowing the boats to
> > >> >>> reach
> > >> >>> the
> > >> >>> ottom. Boats  without positive flotation didn't have a chance and
> > >> >>> probably
> > >> >>> illed with water  as the water came back in. The Rhodes had the
> best
> > >> >>> chance of
> > >> >>> urvivability  because of the flotation. It was probably filled
> with
> > >> >>> water
> > >> >>> nd mud, but still  floating as the water returned.
> > >> >>> everal sailboats were laid over on Lake Hartwell when the water
> went
> > >> >>> down
> > >> >>> aster than the owners could move them. When the water level came
> > back
> > >> >>> up,
> > >> >>> any  of these boats simply filled with water and laid on the
> bottom
> > >> >>> waiting
> > >> >>> or  someone to raise them. Attached is a photo of a San Juan 25
> that
> > >> was
> > >> >>> aised  recently. It sat on the bottom for about nine months before
> > >> >>> the
> > >> >>> owner
> > >> >>> ad her  raised.
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> ummy
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> n a message dated 3/7/2010 1:16:51 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> > >> >>> tan at rhodes22.com writes:
> > >> >>> Dave,
> > >> >>> I have not had a clear picture of what  happened.   Were all boats
> > >> >>> ompletely
> > >> >>> nder water or were parts  of the decks (other than the masts)
> still
> > >> >>> above
> > >> >>> ater  level?
> > >> >>> stan/gbi
> > >> >>>
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> > >> >>> rl :
> > >> >>>
> > >>
> >
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> Message: 19
> Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2010 11:44:40 -0500
> From: Rick <sloopblueheron at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Diamond Board Depth
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
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> Mary Lou,
>
> On mine, a shackel connects the block to the board.
>
> Rick
>
> On Mon, Mar 8, 2010 at 9:11 PM, Mary Lou Troy <mtroy at atlanticbb.net>
> wrote:
>
> > What turning block? Is it on the board itself? I know there are a lot
> > variations. Ours is a direct lift. No blocks.
> >
> > Mary Lou
> >
> > At 07:45 PM 3/8/2010, you wrote:
> > >Chris,
> > >
> > >I don't see your turning block.  Mine is always exposed when my boat is
> on
> > >the lift
> > >--handy for inspecting.  So unless the picture just doesn't show the
> > block,
> > >I would say you need to move your stop knot a bit down the hauling line.
> > >
> > >Rick
> > >
> > >On Mon, Mar 8, 2010 at 8:30 AM, cowie <ccowie at cowieassociates.com>
> wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > > I took advantage of the warm weather this weekend and got my boat
> ready
> > for
> > > > the spring launch.  With my boat up on jacks I was able to lower the
> > > > diamond
> > > > board all the way and took some measurements.  I measure 24" from the
> > keel
> > > > to the bottom of diamond board and also measure 4-3" to 4'-6" from
> the
> > > > water
> > > > line to the bottom of the diamond board.  My question is this:  is my
> > > > diamond board all the way down at 24"?   I think it is as this seems
> to
> > > > match photos on the GB web site but just want to make sure.  The
> older
> > > > style
> > > > center board seems to be deeper?  Also if the water line to bottom of
> > > > diamond board is 4'-3" less 24" when the board is up then the draft
> is
> > > > about
> > > > 2'-3" not 20" noted on the GB site?  Does the advertised 20" asume a
> > slight
> > > > heel?  Enclosed are some images for reference.
> > > >
> > > >
> >
> http://old.nabble.com/file/p27819957/illustration_02.jpgillustration_02.jpg
> > > >
> > > > Cowie
> > > > Opus 2009
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