[Rhodes22-list] UPS Sail... Everything I had hoped for and more!

Mon May 17 16:58:24 EDT 2010

Lee,

The easiest way to tack a genny of any size in any wind is to let it
backwind as the boat comes about.

Rick

On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 3:57 PM, KUHN, LELAND <LKUHN at cnmc.org> wrote:

> David,
>
> I won't give up my 175 but I'm thinking you could hit near hull speed
> with your 135 on a beam or broad reach with a 12-knot wind.  Sailing
> single-handed with the 175 in that kind of wind would be easier than
> furling the dang thing back in.
>
> Reference your comment about tacking the 175 in light air, I usually
> furl it to jib size just before I tack.  I find that furling the 175 in
> light wind is easier than standing in the cabin and dragging the sail to
> the other side of the boat.
>
> Lee
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
> [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Rick
> Sent: Monday, May 17, 2010 3:02 PM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] UPS Sail... Everything I had hoped for and
> more!
>
> David,
>
> You should be able to sail at hull speed with the 175 genny and IMF on a
> broad reach single handed in 12 knots of wind.  Closer hauled, it takes
> more
> weight.
>
> For the standard main, the PHRF for JAM comes out to a little over 200
> seconds.  For the IMF, it is about 275, but only a measurement will give
> you
> a real number.
>
> Rick
>
> On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 2:35 PM, David Culp <dculp at hsbtx.com> wrote:
>
> > I think there is a misunderstanding here.  I have seen hull speed one
> > time in my Rhodes.  That was with a Flying Scot jib tied on the my
> > forestay in 20+ winds with one other person on board and we were both
> > out on the rail.  It was an experiment we were doing that showed me
> > that size doesn't matter when you have the wind.  Hold a hanky up in a
> > hurricane for instance.
> >
> > I was referring to how the Portsmouth handicapping tables are
> > calculated for the Rhodes 22 since it doesn't specify a sail plan for
> > our boat.  I was just musing that I should be able to use any sails in
> > a race and still be legal unless I can get the boat to plane and
> > exceed hull speed.
> >
> > The UPS sail is good for two situations.  Very light winds when the
> > 175% won't fly correctly.  The other is downwind as Lee says.
> >
> > I don't utilize the 175% enough, so I'm dropping it back to a 135 for
> > working upwind and supplementing it with the UPS for lighter wind days
> > when I would wish for something bigger.
> >
> > I think cruiser sailors are usually looking for the best compromise.
> > If you are out in bays with room to maneuver, I still think the 175 is
> > the way to go.  If you get to sail on beam and broad reaches a fair
> > amount, I still think the 175 is the way to go.  If you want to run
> > the jib inside the shrouds on windy days without have a big fat roll
> > on the forestay, you may have to rethink it.  The money is the issue.
> > I have 1100.00 more dollars invested then you do in your sails, but I
> > have to do the later quite often.
> >
> > If you are looking to supplement the 175 or a smaller jib, the UPS
> > works well.  The UPS sail requires a little more work to set up, but
> > it is much easier to tack underway then the 175.  The 175 can be a big
> > tent when the wind is light.  Also, the UPS will keep you from having
> > to start the motor so often and you can make the most of the wind you
> > have.  I can sail now when I couldn't before.  I haven't found it to
> > be that much extra work.  You rig it on the days you need it and if
> > the wind picks up, you drop it and use the genny.  It's just another
> > tool in the bag to make our boat even more versatile.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Date: Sun, 16 May 2010 14:02:33 -0400
> > From: Rick <sloopblueheron at gmail.com>
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] UPS Sail... Everything I had hoped for
> >       and more!
> > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
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> >
> > Lee,
> >
> > Well, you're hearing from me.  Mainly because I'm cheap and lazy.
> >
> > The UPS is probably the easiest asymmetrical to deploy, but it is
> still
> > something extra to do.  I haven't found it any easier or faster than
> my 175
> > genny.
> >
> > Except sailing on a full downwind run with the UPS paired wing-on-wing
> with
> > the genny (forget the main).  Then you can go at wind speed until it
> > exceeds
> > hull speed.
> >
> > Given the infrequency of down wind runs during my usual day sails, I
> wish I
> > spent my $1000 on something more useful.
> >
> > Rick
> >
> > On Sun, May 16, 2010 at 12:45 AM, KUHN, LELAND <LKUHN at cnmc.org> wrote:
> >
> > > dc,
> > >
> > > I'm jealous!  I haven't heard from anyone who's regretted getting a
> UPS.
> > >
> > > Good luck with the race.  My boat doesn't go hull speed most of the
> time
> > > and when it does I think it's more luck than skill.  Wind was
> perfect
> > today
> > > and I couldn't get out.  I can go sailing tomorrow afternoon with a
> wind
> > > prediction of 1 mph.  Guess I could hit hull speed with the old iron
> > genny.
> > >
> > > Lee
> > > 1986 Rhodes22  AT EASE
> > > Kent Island, MD
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ________________________________
> > >
> > > From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org on behalf of David Culp
> > > Sent: Sun 5/16/2010 12:21 AM
> > > To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> > > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] UPS Sail... Everything I had hoped for and
> more!
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I am updating our group about my new UPS sail that I have installed
> > > this season as I said I would.  Today was one of those days where
> the
> > > wind is 10 knots and then it's 5.... Up and down, up and down.  Nary
> a
> > > problem-I was leaving a wake going down the lake most of the way.
> And
> > > it is fun too, because you can play it like a spinnaker if you want
> > > to.  Sailing is always fun, but it was extra fun today!  Racing
> > > tomorrow in light winds, should I tell them that it's an illegal
> sail?
> > >  Which reminds me... They are going to use Portsmouth handicapping
> and
> > > it doesn't specify the sail plan for our boat, so what is "illegal"?
> > > Our boat will go hull speed and that's it most of the time.  The
> skill
> > > is in getting it there.... Right?
> > >
> > > dc
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