[Rhodes22-list] UPS Sail... Everything I had hoped for and more!

John Lock jlock at relevantarts.com
Mon May 17 17:25:27 EDT 2010 

Assumes you have wind!  Or at least enough to drag the 175 through the  
shrouds and across the deck, which is not insignificant.

Cheers!
John Lock
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s/v Pandion - '79 Rhodes 22
Lake Sinclair, GA
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On May 17, 2010, at 16:58, Rick wrote:

> Lee,
>
> The easiest way to tack a genny of any size in any wind is to let it
> backwind as the boat comes about.
>
> Rick
>
> On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 3:57 PM, KUHN, LELAND <LKUHN at cnmc.org> wrote:
>
>> David,
>>
>> I won't give up my 175 but I'm thinking you could hit near hull speed
>> with your 135 on a beam or broad reach with a 12-knot wind.  Sailing
>> single-handed with the 175 in that kind of wind would be easier than
>> furling the dang thing back in.
>>
>> Reference your comment about tacking the 175 in light air, I usually
>> furl it to jib size just before I tack.  I find that furling the  
>> 175 in
>> light wind is easier than standing in the cabin and dragging the  
>> sail to
>> the other side of the boat.
>>
>> Lee
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
>> [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Rick
>> Sent: Monday, May 17, 2010 3:02 PM
>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] UPS Sail... Everything I had hoped for  
>> and
>> more!
>>
>> David,
>>
>> You should be able to sail at hull speed with the 175 genny and IMF  
>> on a
>> broad reach single handed in 12 knots of wind.  Closer hauled, it  
>> takes
>> more
>> weight.
>>
>> For the standard main, the PHRF for JAM comes out to a little over  
>> 200
>> seconds.  For the IMF, it is about 275, but only a measurement will  
>> give
>> you
>> a real number.
>>
>> Rick
>>
>> On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 2:35 PM, David Culp <dculp at hsbtx.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I think there is a misunderstanding here.  I have seen hull speed  
>>> one
>>> time in my Rhodes.  That was with a Flying Scot jib tied on the my
>>> forestay in 20+ winds with one other person on board and we were  
>>> both
>>> out on the rail.  It was an experiment we were doing that showed me
>>> that size doesn't matter when you have the wind.  Hold a hanky up  
>>> in a
>>> hurricane for instance.
>>>
>>> I was referring to how the Portsmouth handicapping tables are
>>> calculated for the Rhodes 22 since it doesn't specify a sail plan  
>>> for
>>> our boat.  I was just musing that I should be able to use any  
>>> sails in
>>> a race and still be legal unless I can get the boat to plane and
>>> exceed hull speed.
>>>
>>> The UPS sail is good for two situations.  Very light winds when the
>>> 175% won't fly correctly.  The other is downwind as Lee says.
>>>
>>> I don't utilize the 175% enough, so I'm dropping it back to a 135  
>>> for
>>> working upwind and supplementing it with the UPS for lighter wind  
>>> days
>>> when I would wish for something bigger.
>>>
>>> I think cruiser sailors are usually looking for the best compromise.
>>> If you are out in bays with room to maneuver, I still think the  
>>> 175 is
>>> the way to go.  If you get to sail on beam and broad reaches a fair
>>> amount, I still think the 175 is the way to go.  If you want to run
>>> the jib inside the shrouds on windy days without have a big fat roll
>>> on the forestay, you may have to rethink it.  The money is the  
>>> issue.
>>> I have 1100.00 more dollars invested then you do in your sails,  
>>> but I
>>> have to do the later quite often.
>>>
>>> If you are looking to supplement the 175 or a smaller jib, the UPS
>>> works well.  The UPS sail requires a little more work to set up, but
>>> it is much easier to tack underway then the 175.  The 175 can be a  
>>> big
>>> tent when the wind is light.  Also, the UPS will keep you from  
>>> having
>>> to start the motor so often and you can make the most of the wind  
>>> you
>>> have.  I can sail now when I couldn't before.  I haven't found it to
>>> be that much extra work.  You rig it on the days you need it and if
>>> the wind picks up, you drop it and use the genny.  It's just another
>>> tool in the bag to make our boat even more versatile.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Date: Sun, 16 May 2010 14:02:33 -0400
>>> From: Rick <sloopblueheron at gmail.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] UPS Sail... Everything I had hoped for
>>>      and more!
>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
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>>>
>>> Lee,
>>>
>>> Well, you're hearing from me.  Mainly because I'm cheap and lazy.
>>>
>>> The UPS is probably the easiest asymmetrical to deploy, but it is
>> still
>>> something extra to do.  I haven't found it any easier or faster than
>> my 175
>>> genny.
>>>
>>> Except sailing on a full downwind run with the UPS paired wing-on- 
>>> wing
>> with
>>> the genny (forget the main).  Then you can go at wind speed until it
>>> exceeds
>>> hull speed.
>>>
>>> Given the infrequency of down wind runs during my usual day sails, I
>> wish I
>>> spent my $1000 on something more useful.
>>>
>>> Rick
>>>
>>> On Sun, May 16, 2010 at 12:45 AM, KUHN, LELAND <LKUHN at cnmc.org>  
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> dc,
>>>>
>>>> I'm jealous!  I haven't heard from anyone who's regretted getting a
>> UPS.
>>>>
>>>> Good luck with the race.  My boat doesn't go hull speed most of the
>> time
>>>> and when it does I think it's more luck than skill.  Wind was
>> perfect
>>> today
>>>> and I couldn't get out.  I can go sailing tomorrow afternoon with a
>> wind
>>>> prediction of 1 mph.  Guess I could hit hull speed with the old  
>>>> iron
>>> genny.
>>>>
>>>> Lee
>>>> 1986 Rhodes22  AT EASE
>>>> Kent Island, MD
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ________________________________
>>>>
>>>> From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org on behalf of David Culp
>>>> Sent: Sun 5/16/2010 12:21 AM
>>>> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
>>>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] UPS Sail... Everything I had hoped for and
>> more!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I am updating our group about my new UPS sail that I have installed
>>>> this season as I said I would.  Today was one of those days where
>> the
>>>> wind is 10 knots and then it's 5.... Up and down, up and down.   
>>>> Nary
>> a
>>>> problem-I was leaving a wake going down the lake most of the way.
>> And
>>>> it is fun too, because you can play it like a spinnaker if you want
>>>> to.  Sailing is always fun, but it was extra fun today!  Racing
>>>> tomorrow in light winds, should I tell them that it's an illegal
>> sail?
>>>> Which reminds me... They are going to use Portsmouth handicapping
>> and
>>>> it doesn't specify the sail plan for our boat, so what is  
>>>> "illegal"?
>>>> Our boat will go hull speed and that's it most of the time.  The
>> skill
>>>> is in getting it there.... Right?
>>>>
>>>> dc
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