[Rhodes22-list] Rhodes22-list Digest, Vol 2373, Issue 1
Lou Rosenberg
lsrvideo at optimum.net
Tue Nov 2 13:06:35 EDT 2010
Ben
Much thanks for getting back to me with a decisive answer.
My Rhodes doesnt go to windward that well but how many real cruisers
do ALL points of sail really well anyway?
got to make compromises sometimes for the safety and comfort of sailing
a Rhodes22
I love my boat!
safe sails to all!
Lou
Miracles
Brooklyn NY
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> 1. Re: Can I start a new topic? (Ben Schultz)
> 2. Re: Can I start a new topic? (cowie)
> 3. Re: Sailing Upwind (KUHN, LELAND)
> 4. Re: Sailing Upwind (cowie)
> 5. Re: Sailing Upwind (KUHN, LELAND)
> 6. Re: Rhodes22-list Digest, Vol 2372, Issue 1 (cody nowak)
> 7. Re: Sailing Upwind (Chris Cowie)
> 8. Re: Sailing Upwind (Mary Lou Troy)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2010 11:45:02 -0500
> From: "Ben Schultz" <benonvelvetelvis at theskinnyonbenny.com>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Can I start a new topic?
> To: "'The Rhodes 22 Email List'" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
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> I know for sure that the standard board doesn't fit into the diamond
> board
> trunk. There's a difference on how far forward the pivot is between
> the
> two. Perhaps the reverse would work, but I would guess that it
> probably
> doesn't.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
> [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Lou Rosenberg
> Sent: Monday, November 01, 2010 10:50
> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Can I start a new topic?
>
> Looking for one of the newer boat owners who may have pictures of
> their CB removed so I can compare specs.
> I would like to know if the DIAMOND BOARD will fit into a Standard
> Trunk??
>
> and what type of mechanical advantage is used? Same threading or
> different?
>
> I am willing to post pics of my restored board on line
> but my boat is considerably uglier than most,, so they may have to be
> rated R or X
> depending upon the audience.
>
> thanks
> Lou
> Miracles
> 1981 Restored by Owner
>
>
>
> On Sun, Oct 31, 2010 at 12:00 PM, rhodes22-list-request at rhodes22.org
> wrote:
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>> Today's Topics:
>>
>> 1. Hello Everyone (Claude Cox)
>> 2. Re: Winterizing (Dave) (Rick)
>> 3. Re: Winterizing (Dave) (R22RumRunner at aol.com)
>>
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>> Message: 1
>> Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2010 12:09:28 -0400
>> From: "Claude Cox" <ccc974 at comcast.net>
>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Hello Everyone
>> To: "Rhodes22 list" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> Message-ID: <003001cb784c$d4563c20$0202a8c0 at DBMCXV81>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>>
>> Theives helped themselves to my OB a couple of months ago. Have
>> gotten the settlement from the insurance co., so am on the lookout
>> for a good used replacement. Need a 5-6 hp, 4-stroke, 20" shaft;
>> prefer Tohatsu, Honda, or Yamaha in that order. Something in the
>> neighborhood of 500 hours on the motor would be great. Anyone
>> selling?
>>
>> Claude
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 2
>> Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2010 13:10:51 -0400
>> From: Rick <sloopblueheron at gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Winterizing (Dave)
>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> Message-ID:
>> <AANLkTinZRmCs1m9fptAXYOL0cEsoniYE2fEJ--_pvefj at mail.gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>>
>> Frank,
>>
>> A) Cheep vodka only corrodes your brain.
>>
>> B) You should be sucking the antifreeze through the water intake
>> hose so it
>> will flush the upper channels of the toilet bowl. Disconnect the
>> hose from
>> the through hull and stick it into the antifreeze bottle.
>>
>> C) Only if the water your boat sits in freezes. If that happens,
>> you'll
>> have more to deal with than a frozen drain hose.
>>
>> D) You should change the lower drive oil in case any water got into
>> the
>> motor.
>>
>> Rick
>>
>> On Sat, Oct 30, 2010 at 11:01 AM, Frank Tugwell <ftugwell at cox.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> As a new owner, I appreciate the list of dewinterizing activities,
>>> my next
>>> challenge. A couple more questions for the many experienced owners
>>> in the
>>> fleet:
>>> A) Does alcohol react/corrode the water tank? In the past I have
>>> Added a big bottle of cheap vodka, enough to pump it to the sink
>>> with the
>>> electric faucet pump.
>>> B) if I put pink in the head and pump it into the holding tank,
>>> which has
>>> been my practice in past boats, what about the line coming in from
>>> the
>>> water--the line that fills the head? Will this drain out, or do I
>>> have to
>>> find and disconnect it to prevent a freezing break?
>>> C) if I leave the boat in the water (which I will probably not do)
>>> does the
>>> line that drains water out of the cockpit freeze? How can it be
>>> winterized
>>> since they are open to the water, at least it appears to be the case
>>> in the
>>> lazarette?
>>> D) Does my Yamaha 9.9 need to be drained in some way, or is it dry
>>> when it
>>> is up and out of the water?
>>>
>>> Frank
>>> Dragonfly 2010
>>>
>>>
>>> On 10/14/10 9:40 AM, "Mary Lou Troy" <mtroy at atlanticbb.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Winterize the outboard per manufacturer's suggestions.
>>>>
>>>> We trailer to winter storage so we take down the mast. We store the
>>>> mast on the bow pulpit and stern rail with the slot down. We have a
>>>> frame made out of PVC that gives a higher ridgepole than the mast
>>>> and
>>>> a tarp goes over that, well tied down so it doesn't flap and mar
>>>> the
>>>> paint and so it doesn't collect rain or snow in the slack spots.
>>>>
>>>> We take all cloth items off the boat (other than the sails in the
>>>> mast) and store in a dry spot safe from bugs & critters.
>>>>
>>>> Because of the tarp and because everything is out of the cabin we
>>>> leave the companionway open for ventilation.
>>>>
>>>> We pump the water tank dry and drain the lines.
>>>>
>>>> We bring the battery home and charge it every now and then.
>>>>
>>>> We put the left over gas in the car.
>>>>
>>>> That's it.
>>>>
>>>> Mary Lou
>>>> 1991 R22 Fretless
>>>> Rock Hall, MD
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> At 10:12 PM 10/13/2010, you wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Question for the list: What do Northern Rhodes owners do to
>>>>> winterize
>>> their
>>>>> boats?
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>
>>>>> Dave
>>>>> Rhodes 22 2006/Recycled 2010
>>>>> Bolling AFB (Washington DC)
>>>>>
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>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 3
>> Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2010 16:11:19 EDT
>> From: R22RumRunner at aol.com
>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Winterizing (Dave)
>> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
>> Message-ID: <51c0f.563ffc3.39fdd5e7 at aol.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
>>
>> Frank, Even cheap vodka is more expensive than RV anti-Freeze made
>> for water lines. I can attest that it doesn't taste good after
>> sitting in a plastic tank for an entire winter......no matter how
>> much OJ or tomato juice you mix it with. We decided long ago that
>> the water tank on the R22 is good for washing hands and dishes, but
>> is not a good source for potable water. We usually freeze several
>> water bottles and drink them as they thaw. Let me correct that. My
>> crew drinks water, I don't. I know what fish do in water. Only rum
>> touches my lips.
>> I'm suffering sitting in a cheap hotel room in Daytona Beach, waiting
>> for the damn Shuttle to go up. It's been postponed again until
>> Wednesday. Good thing I like restaurant food. I ordered lobster last
>> night. It was their special and I got two whole lobsters. Usually
>> you only get the tails, but this time I got the whole animal. It was
>> a real challenge, but I managed to eat both of them.
>> Rummy
>> In a message dated 10/30/2010 1:11:11 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
>> sloopblueheron at gmail.com writes:
>>
>> Frank,
>>
>> A) Cheep vodka only corrodes your brain.
>>
>> B) You should be sucking the antifreeze through the water intake
>> hose so it
>> will flush the upper channels of the toilet bowl. Disconnect the
>> hose from
>> the through hull and stick it into the antifreeze bottle.
>>
>> C) Only if the water your boat sits in freezes. If that happens,
>> you'll
>> have more to deal with than a frozen drain hose.
>>
>> D) You should change the lower drive oil in case any water got into
>> the
>> motor.
>>
>> Rick
>>
>> On Sat, Oct 30, 2010 at 11:01 AM, Frank Tugwell <ftugwell at cox.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> As a new owner, I appreciate the list of dewinterizing activities,
>>> my
>> next
>>> challenge. A couple more questions for the many experienced owners
>>> in the
>>> fleet:
>>> A) Does alcohol react/corrode the water tank? In the past I have
>>> Added a big bottle of cheap vodka, enough to pump it to the sink
>>> with the
>>> electric faucet pump.
>>> B) if I put pink in the head and pump it into the holding tank,
>>> which has
>>> been my practice in past boats, what about the line coming in from
>>> the
>>> water--the line that fills the head? Will this drain out, or do I
>>> have
>> to
>>> find and disconnect it to prevent a freezing break?
>>> C) if I leave the boat in the water (which I will probably not do)
>>> does
>> the
>>> line that drains water out of the cockpit freeze? How can it be
>> winterized
>>> since they are open to the water, at least it appears to be the
>>> case in
>> the
>>> lazarette?
>>> D) Does my Yamaha 9.9 need to be drained in some way, or is it dry
>>> when
>> it
>>> is up and out of the water?
>>>
>>> Frank
>>> Dragonfly 2010
>>>
>>>
>>> On 10/14/10 9:40 AM, "Mary Lou Troy" <mtroy at atlanticbb.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Winterize the outboard per manufacturer's suggestions.
>>>>
>>>> We trailer to winter storage so we take down the mast. We store
>>>> the
>>>> mast on the bow pulpit and stern rail with the slot down. We have
>>>> a
>>>> frame made out of PVC that gives a higher ridgepole than the mast
>>>> and
>>>> a tarp goes over that, well tied down so it doesn't flap and mar
>>>> the
>>>> paint and so it doesn't collect rain or snow in the slack spots.
>>>>
>>>> We take all cloth items off the boat (other than the sails in the
>>>> mast) and store in a dry spot safe from bugs & critters.
>>>>
>>>> Because of the tarp and because everything is out of the cabin we
>>>> leave the companionway open for ventilation.
>>>>
>>>> We pump the water tank dry and drain the lines.
>>>>
>>>> We bring the battery home and charge it every now and then.
>>>>
>>>> We put the left over gas in the car.
>>>>
>>>> That's it.
>>>>
>>>> Mary Lou
>>>> 1991 R22 Fretless
>>>> Rock Hall, MD
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> At 10:12 PM 10/13/2010, you wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Question for the list: What do Northern Rhodes owners do to
>>>>> winterize
>>> their
>>>>> boats?
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>
>>>>> Dave
>>>>> Rhodes 22 2006/Recycled 2010
>>>>> Bolling AFB (Washington DC)
>>>>>
>>>>> __________________________________________________
>>>>> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to
>>>>> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
>>>>>
>>>>> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and
>>>>> archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list
>>>>> __________________________________________________
>>>>
>>>> __________________________________________________
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>>>>
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>> go
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>>>
>>>
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> Message: 2
> Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2010 10:53:30 -0700 (PDT)
> From: cowie <ccowie at cowieassociates.com>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Can I start a new topic?
> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
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>
> Lou:
>
> I don't have pictures of the diamond board removed, hope to never have
> to do
> that, however enclosed are some photos I took while my boat was out of
> the
> water last year. I was also curious about the dimensional differences
> between the older and newer style boards and prepared some sketches
> that are
> also enclosed. I beleive the diamond board is raised and lowered by a
> line
> from the cockpit that is a straight shot down to the board, no pullys
> or
> angles.
>
> http://old.nabble.com/file/p30106963/rhodes22.pdf rhodes22.pdf
>
>
>
> Lou Rosenberg-2 wrote:
>>
>> Looking for one of the newer boat owners who may have pictures of
>> their CB removed so I can compare specs.
>> I would like to know if the DIAMOND BOARD will fit into a Standard
>> Trunk??
>>
>> and what type of mechanical advantage is used? Same threading or
>> different?
>>
>> I am willing to post pics of my restored board on line
>> but my boat is considerably uglier than most,, so they may have to
>> be rated R or X
>> depending upon the audience.
>>
>> thanks
>> Lou
>> Miracles
>> 1981 Restored by Owner
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Oct 31, 2010 at 12:00 PM, rhodes22-list-request at rhodes22.org
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Send Rhodes22-list mailing list submissions to
>>> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
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>>>
>>> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific
>>> than "Re: Contents of Rhodes22-list digest..."
>>>
>>>
>>> Today's Topics:
>>>
>>> 1. Hello Everyone (Claude Cox)
>>> 2. Re: Winterizing (Dave) (Rick)
>>> 3. Re: Winterizing (Dave) (R22RumRunner at aol.com)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>> Message: 1
>>> Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2010 12:09:28 -0400
>>> From: "Claude Cox" <ccc974 at comcast.net>
>>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Hello Everyone
>>> To: "Rhodes22 list" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>> Message-ID: <003001cb784c$d4563c20$0202a8c0 at DBMCXV81>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>>>
>>> Theives helped themselves to my OB a couple of months ago. Have
>>> gotten the settlement from the insurance co., so am on the lookout
>>> for a good used replacement. Need a 5-6 hp, 4-stroke, 20" shaft;
>>> prefer Tohatsu, Honda, or Yamaha in that order. Something in the
>>> neighborhood of 500 hours on the motor would be great. Anyone
>>> selling?
>>>
>>> Claude
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>> Message: 2
>>> Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2010 13:10:51 -0400
>>> From: Rick <sloopblueheron at gmail.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Winterizing (Dave)
>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>> Message-ID:
>>> <AANLkTinZRmCs1m9fptAXYOL0cEsoniYE2fEJ--_pvefj at mail.gmail.com>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>>>
>>> Frank,
>>>
>>> A) Cheep vodka only corrodes your brain.
>>>
>>> B) You should be sucking the antifreeze through the water intake
>>> hose so it
>>> will flush the upper channels of the toilet bowl. Disconnect the
>>> hose from
>>> the through hull and stick it into the antifreeze bottle.
>>>
>>> C) Only if the water your boat sits in freezes. If that happens,
>>> you'll
>>> have more to deal with than a frozen drain hose.
>>>
>>> D) You should change the lower drive oil in case any water got into
>>> the
>>> motor.
>>>
>>> Rick
>>>
>>> On Sat, Oct 30, 2010 at 11:01 AM, Frank Tugwell <ftugwell at cox.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> As a new owner, I appreciate the list of dewinterizing activities,
>>>> my next
>>>> challenge. A couple more questions for the many experienced owners
>>>> in the
>>>> fleet:
>>>> A) Does alcohol react/corrode the water tank? In the past I have
>>>> Added a big bottle of cheap vodka, enough to pump it to the sink
>>>> with the
>>>> electric faucet pump.
>>>> B) if I put pink in the head and pump it into the holding tank,
>>>> which has
>>>> been my practice in past boats, what about the line coming in from
>>>> the
>>>> water--the line that fills the head? Will this drain out, or do I
>>>> have to
>>>> find and disconnect it to prevent a freezing break?
>>>> C) if I leave the boat in the water (which I will probably not do)
>>>> does the
>>>> line that drains water out of the cockpit freeze? How can it be
>>>> winterized
>>>> since they are open to the water, at least it appears to be the
>>>> case in the
>>>> lazarette?
>>>> D) Does my Yamaha 9.9 need to be drained in some way, or is it dry
>>>> when it
>>>> is up and out of the water?
>>>>
>>>> Frank
>>>> Dragonfly 2010
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 10/14/10 9:40 AM, "Mary Lou Troy" <mtroy at atlanticbb.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Winterize the outboard per manufacturer's suggestions.
>>>>>
>>>>> We trailer to winter storage so we take down the mast. We store
>>>>> the
>>>>> mast on the bow pulpit and stern rail with the slot down. We have
>>>>> a
>>>>> frame made out of PVC that gives a higher ridgepole than the mast
>>>>> and
>>>>> a tarp goes over that, well tied down so it doesn't flap and mar
>>>>> the
>>>>> paint and so it doesn't collect rain or snow in the slack spots.
>>>>>
>>>>> We take all cloth items off the boat (other than the sails in the
>>>>> mast) and store in a dry spot safe from bugs & critters.
>>>>>
>>>>> Because of the tarp and because everything is out of the cabin we
>>>>> leave the companionway open for ventilation.
>>>>>
>>>>> We pump the water tank dry and drain the lines.
>>>>>
>>>>> We bring the battery home and charge it every now and then.
>>>>>
>>>>> We put the left over gas in the car.
>>>>>
>>>>> That's it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Mary Lou
>>>>> 1991 R22 Fretless
>>>>> Rock Hall, MD
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> At 10:12 PM 10/13/2010, you wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Question for the list: What do Northern Rhodes owners do to
>>>>>> winterize
>>>> their
>>>>>> boats?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Dave
>>>>>> Rhodes 22 2006/Recycled 2010
>>>>>> Bolling AFB (Washington DC)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> __________________________________________________
>>>>>> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to
>>>>>> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
>>>>>>
>>>>>> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and
>>>>>> archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list
>>>>>> __________________________________________________
>>>>>
>>>>> __________________________________________________
>>>>> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to
>>>>> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
>>>>>
>>>>> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and
>>>>> archives go
>>>> to
>>>>> http://www.rhodes22.org/list
>>>>> __________________________________________________
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> __________________________________________________
>>>> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to
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>>>>
>>>> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and
>>>> archives go
>>>> to http://www.rhodes22.org/list
>>>> __________________________________________________
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>> Message: 3
>>> Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2010 16:11:19 EDT
>>> From: R22RumRunner at aol.com
>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Winterizing (Dave)
>>> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
>>> Message-ID: <51c0f.563ffc3.39fdd5e7 at aol.com>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
>>>
>>> Frank, Even cheap vodka is more expensive than RV anti-Freeze made
>>> for water lines. I can attest that it doesn't taste good after
>>> sitting in a plastic tank for an entire winter......no matter how
>>> much OJ or tomato juice you mix it with. We decided long ago that
>>> the water tank on the R22 is good for washing hands and dishes, but
>>> is not a good source for potable water. We usually freeze several
>>> water bottles and drink them as they thaw. Let me correct that. My
>>> crew drinks water, I don't. I know what fish do in water. Only rum
>>> touches my lips.
>>> I'm suffering sitting in a cheap hotel room in Daytona Beach,
>>> waiting for the damn Shuttle to go up. It's been postponed again
>>> until Wednesday. Good thing I like restaurant food. I ordered
>>> lobster last night. It was their special and I got two whole
>>> lobsters. Usually you only get the tails, but this time I got the
>>> whole animal. It was a real challenge, but I managed to eat both of
>>> them.
>>> Rummy
>>> In a message dated 10/30/2010 1:11:11 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
>>> sloopblueheron at gmail.com writes:
>>>
>>> Frank,
>>>
>>> A) Cheep vodka only corrodes your brain.
>>>
>>> B) You should be sucking the antifreeze through the water intake
>>> hose so it
>>> will flush the upper channels of the toilet bowl. Disconnect the
>>> hose from
>>> the through hull and stick it into the antifreeze bottle.
>>>
>>> C) Only if the water your boat sits in freezes. If that happens,
>>> you'll
>>> have more to deal with than a frozen drain hose.
>>>
>>> D) You should change the lower drive oil in case any water got
>>> into the
>>> motor.
>>>
>>> Rick
>>>
>>> On Sat, Oct 30, 2010 at 11:01 AM, Frank Tugwell <ftugwell at cox.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> As a new owner, I appreciate the list of dewinterizing activities,
>>>> my
>>> next
>>>> challenge. A couple more questions for the many experienced owners
>>>> in the
>>>> fleet:
>>>> A) Does alcohol react/corrode the water tank? In the past I have
>>>> Added a big bottle of cheap vodka, enough to pump it to the sink
>>>> with the
>>>> electric faucet pump.
>>>> B) if I put pink in the head and pump it into the holding tank,
>>>> which has
>>>> been my practice in past boats, what about the line coming in from
>>>> the
>>>> water--the line that fills the head? Will this drain out, or do
>>>> I have
>>> to
>>>> find and disconnect it to prevent a freezing break?
>>>> C) if I leave the boat in the water (which I will probably not do)
>>>> does
>>> the
>>>> line that drains water out of the cockpit freeze? How can it be
>>> winterized
>>>> since they are open to the water, at least it appears to be the
>>>> case in
>>> the
>>>> lazarette?
>>>> D) Does my Yamaha 9.9 need to be drained in some way, or is it dry
>>>> when
>>> it
>>>> is up and out of the water?
>>>>
>>>> Frank
>>>> Dragonfly 2010
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 10/14/10 9:40 AM, "Mary Lou Troy" <mtroy at atlanticbb.net>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Winterize the outboard per manufacturer's suggestions.
>>>>>
>>>>> We trailer to winter storage so we take down the mast. We store
>>>>> the
>>>>> mast on the bow pulpit and stern rail with the slot down. We have
>>>>> a
>>>>> frame made out of PVC that gives a higher ridgepole than the mast
>>>>> and
>>>>> a tarp goes over that, well tied down so it doesn't flap and mar
>>>>> the
>>>>> paint and so it doesn't collect rain or snow in the slack spots.
>>>>>
>>>>> We take all cloth items off the boat (other than the sails in the
>>>>> mast) and store in a dry spot safe from bugs & critters.
>>>>>
>>>>> Because of the tarp and because everything is out of the cabin we
>>>>> leave the companionway open for ventilation.
>>>>>
>>>>> We pump the water tank dry and drain the lines.
>>>>>
>>>>> We bring the battery home and charge it every now and then.
>>>>>
>>>>> We put the left over gas in the car.
>>>>>
>>>>> That's it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Mary Lou
>>>>> 1991 R22 Fretless
>>>>> Rock Hall, MD
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> At 10:12 PM 10/13/2010, you wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Question for the list: What do Northern Rhodes owners do to
>>>>>> winterize
>>>> their
>>>>>> boats?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Dave
>>>>>> Rhodes 22 2006/Recycled 2010
>>>>>> Bolling AFB (Washington DC)
>>>>>>
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> Message: 3
> Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2010 15:33:26 -0400
> From: "KUHN, LELAND" <LKUHN at cnmc.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Sailing Upwind
> To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Message-ID:
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> Dave,
>
> "I have never
> liked the 175 genoa very much because I can't sail nearly as close to
> the
> wind as any of hundreds of other sailboats on our lake."
>
> I don't think a smaller Genoa will help you sail closer to the wind as
> much as re-routing your sheets. You still won't be able to pull your
> jib or smaller Genoa closer to the center of your boat if your sheets
> are run outside of the outer shroud.
>
> As for sail shape, you can pull a 175% Genoa just as tight as a
> smaller
> Genoa. A smaller Genoa won't have as much rolled-up bulk around the
> furler and the sail will be closer to the deck, which will probably
> improve performance slightly if you're on a close reach.
>
> The primary reason I would opt for a smaller Genoa is because I use
> the
> full 175% sail less than 20% of the time. When I do use the full 175%
> I
> swear I'll never go with anything smaller.
>
> Feel free to give me a call if you'd like to discuss upwind
> performance.
> 202.476.5369
>
> Good luck!
>
> Lee
> 1986 Rhodes22 AT EASE
> Kent Island, MD
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
> [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Rhodes22Dave
> Sent: Sunday, October 24, 2010 11:51 PM
> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Sailing Upwind
>
>
> Interesting. I will try this. I also thought that re-routing the
> genoa
> sheets inside the shrouds would just get the sail caught. I have
> never
> liked the 175 genoa very much because I can't sail nearly as close to
> the
> wind as any of hundreds of other sailboats on our lake. I can do a
> little
> better by furling in the genoa to a much smaller exposed sail
> area--but
> at a
> cost of sail shape with all the furling. I may get a second R22 and
> am
> thinking of getting a smaller genoa--or adding the self-tending jib.
> But
> what you suggest might be a solution, at least for long tacks.
> Dave
>
> Ben Cittadino wrote:
>>
>> I had two days in a row on Sandy Hook Bay in NJ this weekend, and I
> want
>> to report that I had a pleasing experience by "finally" re-routing
>> the
>> Jib (175 Genny) sheets inside the outer shrouds to try for better
> upwind
>> sailing. I have to say that I didn't expect much difference, but I
>> was
>> delighted to get inside 45 degrees at last. I obviously didn't let
>> the
>> Genny out to the full 175, but at 100 we flew along and I felt like I
>> could make real headway upwind. I had delayed trying the new route
>> for
>> the sheets because I thought the sail would get all hung up in the
>> shrouds, but it's become no big deal. Try it, you'll like it.
>>
>>
>> BenCittadino
>>
>> S/V Susan Kay ('93 recycled '08)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> __________________________________________________
>>
>>
>>
>
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> ------------------------------
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> Message: 4
> Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2010 13:40:20 -0700 (PDT)
> From: cowie <ccowie at cowieassociates.com>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Sailing Upwind
> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> Message-ID: <30108414.post at talk.nabble.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
>
> Lee:
>
> Do you think a smaller jib has any significant advantage over a furled
> 175
> genoa? I suppose the extra material of the genoa rolled up on the
> headstay
> is a bit sloppy but it doesn't seem like it would have a significant
> impact
> on pointing ability? I wondered if perhaps the actual triangular
> shape of
> the jib versus furled genoa would be much different but I am pretty
> sure
> both would be identical? I wish we had better too scale drawings of
> our
> Rhodes 22 sailboat. The following is a link to information about the
> sailmaster 22 that includes some nice plan and elevation drawings.
> The
> sailmaster is a pretty classic looking boat and seems to have some
> similarities to the rhodes.
>
> http://sailboatdata.com/VIEWRECORD.ASP?CLASS_ID=267
>
> There are a couple of books written about sailing the sailmaster 22
> around
> the Delmarva penninsula. Fun winter time reading.
>
> The NYTimes had an interesting article about sailing a small cape dory
> boat
> in Lake of the woods Ontario. The cape dory is also a cute little
> boat. The fixed keep would be a nice feature on those windy and
> turbulant sea days
> out on the Chesapeake but I wouldn't want to give up the shallow draft
> qualities. The cape dory link below also includes some nice plan and
> elevation drawings that would be nice to have for the Rhodes. Maybe a
> winter project for me.
>
> http://www.capedory.org/specs/typhoon.htm
>
>
> http://travel.nytimes.com/2010/10/31/travel/31lakeofthewoods-explorer.html?ref=travel
>
>
>
> Leland wrote:
>>
>> Dave,
>>
>> "I have never
>> liked the 175 genoa very much because I can't sail nearly as close to
>> the
>> wind as any of hundreds of other sailboats on our lake."
>>
>> I don't think a smaller Genoa will help you sail closer to the wind
>> as
>> much as re-routing your sheets. You still won't be able to pull your
>> jib or smaller Genoa closer to the center of your boat if your sheets
>> are run outside of the outer shroud.
>>
>> As for sail shape, you can pull a 175% Genoa just as tight as a
>> smaller
>> Genoa. A smaller Genoa won't have as much rolled-up bulk around the
>> furler and the sail will be closer to the deck, which will probably
>> improve performance slightly if you're on a close reach.
>>
>> The primary reason I would opt for a smaller Genoa is because I use
>> the
>> full 175% sail less than 20% of the time. When I do use the full
>> 175% I
>> swear I'll never go with anything smaller.
>>
>> Feel free to give me a call if you'd like to discuss upwind
>> performance.
>> 202.476.5369
>>
>> Good luck!
>>
>> Lee
>> 1986 Rhodes22 AT EASE
>> Kent Island, MD
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
>> [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Rhodes22Dave
>> Sent: Sunday, October 24, 2010 11:51 PM
>> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Sailing Upwind
>>
>>
>> Interesting. I will try this. I also thought that re-routing the
>> genoa
>> sheets inside the shrouds would just get the sail caught. I have
>> never
>> liked the 175 genoa very much because I can't sail nearly as close to
>> the
>> wind as any of hundreds of other sailboats on our lake. I can do a
>> little
>> better by furling in the genoa to a much smaller exposed sail
>> area--but
>> at a
>> cost of sail shape with all the furling. I may get a second R22 and
>> am
>> thinking of getting a smaller genoa--or adding the self-tending jib.
>> But
>> what you suggest might be a solution, at least for long tacks.
>> Dave
>>
>> Ben Cittadino wrote:
>>>
>>> I had two days in a row on Sandy Hook Bay in NJ this weekend, and I
>> want
>>> to report that I had a pleasing experience by "finally" re-routing
>>> the
>>> Jib (175 Genny) sheets inside the outer shrouds to try for better
>> upwind
>>> sailing. I have to say that I didn't expect much difference, but I
>>> was
>>> delighted to get inside 45 degrees at last. I obviously didn't let
>>> the
>>> Genny out to the full 175, but at 100 we flew along and I felt like
>>> I
>>> could make real headway upwind. I had delayed trying the new route
>>> for
>>> the sheets because I thought the sail would get all hung up in the
>>> shrouds, but it's become no big deal. Try it, you'll like it.
>>>
>>>
>>> BenCittadino
>>>
>>> S/V Susan Kay ('93 recycled '08)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> __________________________________________________
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> --
>> View this message in context:
>> http://old.nabble.com/Sailing-Upwind-tp29517214p30044777.html
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>>
>> __________________________________________________
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>> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
>>
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>> archives
>> go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list
>> __________________________________________________
>>
>> __________________________________________________
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>> to http://www.rhodes22.org/list
>> __________________________________________________
>>
>>
>
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>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2010 17:06:06 -0400
> From: "KUHN, LELAND" <LKUHN at cnmc.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Sailing Upwind
> To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Message-ID:
> <BAEF334992594C47AD272D6B69E6C360027D7740 at EXCHVS02.cnmc.org>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
>
> Chris,
>
> Nice links!
>
> I guess it depends on your definition of "significant." If you're in
> to
> serious racing I guess everything is significant.
> With two furling sails, a loose-footed main, Genoa tracks, leads
> between
> the shrouds, a sliding boom, a traveler, a centerboard, and all of my
> movable railmeat; there's always something I could adjust to get an
> insignificant increase in speed. I don't think a smaller Genoa would
> help me much. More experience and knowledge and less alcohol would
> help
> me more than anything else.
>
> Lee
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
> [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of cowie
> Sent: Monday, November 01, 2010 4:40 PM
> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Sailing Upwind
>
>
> Lee:
>
> Do you think a smaller jib has any significant advantage over a furled
> 175
> genoa? I suppose the extra material of the genoa rolled up on the
> headstay
> is a bit sloppy but it doesn't seem like it would have a significant
> impact
> on pointing ability? I wondered if perhaps the actual triangular
> shape
> of
> the jib versus furled genoa would be much different but I am pretty
> sure
> both would be identical? I wish we had better too scale drawings of
> our
> Rhodes 22 sailboat. The following is a link to information about the
> sailmaster 22 that includes some nice plan and elevation drawings.
> The
> sailmaster is a pretty classic looking boat and seems to have some
> similarities to the rhodes.
>
> http://sailboatdata.com/VIEWRECORD.ASP?CLASS_ID=267
>
> There are a couple of books written about sailing the sailmaster 22
> around
> the Delmarva penninsula. Fun winter time reading.
>
> The NYTimes had an interesting article about sailing a small cape dory
> boat
> in Lake of the woods Ontario. The cape dory is also a cute little
> boat.
>
> The fixed keep would be a nice feature on those windy and turbulant
> sea
> days
> out on the Chesapeake but I wouldn't want to give up the shallow draft
> qualities. The cape dory link below also includes some nice plan and
> elevation drawings that would be nice to have for the Rhodes. Maybe a
> winter project for me.
>
> http://www.capedory.org/specs/typhoon.htm
>
>
> http://travel.nytimes.com/2010/10/31/travel/31lakeofthewoods-explorer.ht
> ml?ref=travel
>
>
>
> Leland wrote:
>>
>> Dave,
>>
>> "I have never
>> liked the 175 genoa very much because I can't sail nearly as close to
>> the
>> wind as any of hundreds of other sailboats on our lake."
>>
>> I don't think a smaller Genoa will help you sail closer to the wind
>> as
>> much as re-routing your sheets. You still won't be able to pull your
>> jib or smaller Genoa closer to the center of your boat if your sheets
>> are run outside of the outer shroud.
>>
>> As for sail shape, you can pull a 175% Genoa just as tight as a
> smaller
>> Genoa. A smaller Genoa won't have as much rolled-up bulk around the
>> furler and the sail will be closer to the deck, which will probably
>> improve performance slightly if you're on a close reach.
>>
>> The primary reason I would opt for a smaller Genoa is because I use
> the
>> full 175% sail less than 20% of the time. When I do use the full
>> 175%
> I
>> swear I'll never go with anything smaller.
>>
>> Feel free to give me a call if you'd like to discuss upwind
> performance.
>> 202.476.5369
>>
>> Good luck!
>>
>> Lee
>> 1986 Rhodes22 AT EASE
>> Kent Island, MD
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
>> [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Rhodes22Dave
>> Sent: Sunday, October 24, 2010 11:51 PM
>> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Sailing Upwind
>>
>>
>> Interesting. I will try this. I also thought that re-routing the
> genoa
>> sheets inside the shrouds would just get the sail caught. I have
> never
>> liked the 175 genoa very much because I can't sail nearly as close to
>> the
>> wind as any of hundreds of other sailboats on our lake. I can do a
>> little
>> better by furling in the genoa to a much smaller exposed sail
> area--but
>> at a
>> cost of sail shape with all the furling. I may get a second R22 and
> am
>> thinking of getting a smaller genoa--or adding the self-tending jib.
>> But
>> what you suggest might be a solution, at least for long tacks.
>> Dave
>>
>> Ben Cittadino wrote:
>>>
>>> I had two days in a row on Sandy Hook Bay in NJ this weekend, and I
>> want
>>> to report that I had a pleasing experience by "finally" re-routing
> the
>>> Jib (175 Genny) sheets inside the outer shrouds to try for better
>> upwind
>>> sailing. I have to say that I didn't expect much difference, but I
> was
>>> delighted to get inside 45 degrees at last. I obviously didn't let
> the
>>> Genny out to the full 175, but at 100 we flew along and I felt like
>>> I
>>> could make real headway upwind. I had delayed trying the new route
> for
>>> the sheets because I thought the sail would get all hung up in the
>>> shrouds, but it's become no big deal. Try it, you'll like it.
>>>
>>>
>>> BenCittadino
>>>
>>> S/V Susan Kay ('93 recycled '08)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> __________________________________________________
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> --
>> View this message in context:
>> http://old.nabble.com/Sailing-Upwind-tp29517214p30044777.html
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>>
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>>
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>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2010 15:25:11 -0600
> From: cody nowak <schmiddlediggy at hotmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes22-list Digest, Vol 2372, Issue 1
> To: <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Message-ID: <SNT138-w241380C8D41610B957D419CE480 at phx.gbl>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
>
> Has any one out there had to replace the blocks of what appears
> to be plastic that the manual motor lift system slides up and down on
> within the channel (I have a reconditioned 86 ) Or can anyone suggest
> a substitute to use in place of those blocks as where each screw goes
> into the block it has cracked and the blocks on both sides are usless
> Thanks in advance for any help cody
>
> Subject: Rhodes22-list Digest, Vol 2372, Issue 1
>> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
>> Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2010 12:00:25 -0400
>>
>> Send Rhodes22-list mailing list submissions to
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>> 1. Re: Can I start a new topic? (Lou Rosenberg)
>>
>>
>>
>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 1
>> Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2010 11:50:04 -0400 (EDT)
>> From: Lou Rosenberg <lsrvideo at optimum.net>
>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Can I start a new topic?
>> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
>> Message-ID:
>>
>> <32790794.419847.1288626609677.JavaMail.lsrvideo at mail.srv.hcvlny.cv.net>
>>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed; delsp=no
>>
>> Looking for one of the newer boat owners who may have pictures of
>> their CB removed so I can compare specs.
>> I would like to know if the DIAMOND BOARD will fit into a Standard
>> Trunk??
>>
>> and what type of mechanical advantage is used? Same threading or
>> different?
>>
>> I am willing to post pics of my restored board on line
>> but my boat is considerably uglier than most,, so they may have to be
>> rated R or X
>> depending upon the audience.
>>
>> thanks
>> Lou
>> Miracles
>> 1981 Restored by Owner
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Oct 31, 2010 at 12:00 PM, rhodes22-list-request at rhodes22.org
>> wrote:
>>
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>>>
>>> Today's Topics:
>>>
>>> 1. Hello Everyone (Claude Cox)
>>> 2. Re: Winterizing (Dave) (Rick)
>>> 3. Re: Winterizing (Dave) (R22RumRunner at aol.com)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>> Message: 1
>>> Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2010 12:09:28 -0400
>>> From: "Claude Cox" <ccc974 at comcast.net>
>>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Hello Everyone
>>> To: "Rhodes22 list" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>> Message-ID: <003001cb784c$d4563c20$0202a8c0 at DBMCXV81>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>>>
>>> Theives helped themselves to my OB a couple of months ago. Have
>>> gotten the settlement from the insurance co., so am on the lookout
>>> for a good used replacement. Need a 5-6 hp, 4-stroke, 20" shaft;
>>> prefer Tohatsu, Honda, or Yamaha in that order. Something in the
>>> neighborhood of 500 hours on the motor would be great. Anyone
>>> selling?
>>>
>>> Claude
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>> Message: 2
>>> Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2010 13:10:51 -0400
>>> From: Rick <sloopblueheron at gmail.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Winterizing (Dave)
>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
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>>> Frank,
>>>
>>> A) Cheep vodka only corrodes your brain.
>>>
>>> B) You should be sucking the antifreeze through the water intake
>>> hose so it
>>> will flush the upper channels of the toilet bowl. Disconnect the
>>> hose from
>>> the through hull and stick it into the antifreeze bottle.
>>>
>>> C) Only if the water your boat sits in freezes. If that happens,
>>> you'll
>>> have more to deal with than a frozen drain hose.
>>>
>>> D) You should change the lower drive oil in case any water got into
>>> the
>>> motor.
>>>
>>> Rick
>>>
>>> On Sat, Oct 30, 2010 at 11:01 AM, Frank Tugwell <ftugwell at cox.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> As a new owner, I appreciate the list of dewinterizing activities,
>>>> my next
>>>> challenge. A couple more questions for the many experienced owners
>>>> in the
>>>> fleet:
>>>> A) Does alcohol react/corrode the water tank? In the past I have
>>>> Added a big bottle of cheap vodka, enough to pump it to the sink
>>>> with the
>>>> electric faucet pump.
>>>> B) if I put pink in the head and pump it into the holding tank,
>>>> which has
>>>> been my practice in past boats, what about the line coming in from
>>>> the
>>>> water--the line that fills the head? Will this drain out, or do I
>>>> have to
>>>> find and disconnect it to prevent a freezing break?
>>>> C) if I leave the boat in the water (which I will probably not do)
>>>> does the
>>>> line that drains water out of the cockpit freeze? How can it be
>>>> winterized
>>>> since they are open to the water, at least it appears to be the
>>>> case in the
>>>> lazarette?
>>>> D) Does my Yamaha 9.9 need to be drained in some way, or is it dry
>>>> when it
>>>> is up and out of the water?
>>>>
>>>> Frank
>>>> Dragonfly 2010
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 10/14/10 9:40 AM, "Mary Lou Troy" <mtroy at atlanticbb.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Winterize the outboard per manufacturer's suggestions.
>>>>>
>>>>> We trailer to winter storage so we take down the mast. We store
>>>>> the
>>>>> mast on the bow pulpit and stern rail with the slot down. We have
>>>>> a
>>>>> frame made out of PVC that gives a higher ridgepole than the mast
>>>>> and
>>>>> a tarp goes over that, well tied down so it doesn't flap and mar
>>>>> the
>>>>> paint and so it doesn't collect rain or snow in the slack spots.
>>>>>
>>>>> We take all cloth items off the boat (other than the sails in the
>>>>> mast) and store in a dry spot safe from bugs & critters.
>>>>>
>>>>> Because of the tarp and because everything is out of the cabin we
>>>>> leave the companionway open for ventilation.
>>>>>
>>>>> We pump the water tank dry and drain the lines.
>>>>>
>>>>> We bring the battery home and charge it every now and then.
>>>>>
>>>>> We put the left over gas in the car.
>>>>>
>>>>> That's it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Mary Lou
>>>>> 1991 R22 Fretless
>>>>> Rock Hall, MD
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> At 10:12 PM 10/13/2010, you wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Question for the list: What do Northern Rhodes owners do to
>>>>>> winterize
>>>> their
>>>>>> boats?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Dave
>>>>>> Rhodes 22 2006/Recycled 2010
>>>>>> Bolling AFB (Washington DC)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> __________________________________________________
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>>>>>>
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>>>>>
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>>>>>
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>>>
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>>> Message: 3
>>> Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2010 16:11:19 EDT
>>> From: R22RumRunner at aol.com
>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Winterizing (Dave)
>>> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
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>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
>>>
>>> Frank, Even cheap vodka is more expensive than RV anti-Freeze made
>>> for water lines. I can attest that it doesn't taste good after
>>> sitting in a plastic tank for an entire winter......no matter how
>>> much OJ or tomato juice you mix it with. We decided long ago that
>>> the water tank on the R22 is good for washing hands and dishes, but
>>> is not a good source for potable water. We usually freeze several
>>> water bottles and drink them as they thaw. Let me correct that. My
>>> crew drinks water, I don't. I know what fish do in water. Only rum
>>> touches my lips.
>>> I'm suffering sitting in a cheap hotel room in Daytona Beach,
>>> waiting for the damn Shuttle to go up. It's been postponed again
>>> until Wednesday. Good thing I like restaurant food. I ordered
>>> lobster last night. It was their special and I got two whole
>>> lobsters. Usually you only get the tails, but this time I got the
>>> whole animal. It was a real challenge, but I managed to eat both of
>>> them.
>>> Rummy
>>> In a message dated 10/30/2010 1:11:11 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
>>> sloopblueheron at gmail.com writes:
>>>
>>> Frank,
>>>
>>> A) Cheep vodka only corrodes your brain.
>>>
>>> B) You should be sucking the antifreeze through the water intake
>>> hose so it
>>> will flush the upper channels of the toilet bowl. Disconnect the
>>> hose from
>>> the through hull and stick it into the antifreeze bottle.
>>>
>>> C) Only if the water your boat sits in freezes. If that happens,
>>> you'll
>>> have more to deal with than a frozen drain hose.
>>>
>>> D) You should change the lower drive oil in case any water got into
>>> the
>>> motor.
>>>
>>> Rick
>>>
>>> On Sat, Oct 30, 2010 at 11:01 AM, Frank Tugwell <ftugwell at cox.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> As a new owner, I appreciate the list of dewinterizing activities,
>>>> my
>>> next
>>>> challenge. A couple more questions for the many experienced owners
>>>> in the
>>>> fleet:
>>>> A) Does alcohol react/corrode the water tank? In the past I have
>>>> Added a big bottle of cheap vodka, enough to pump it to the sink
>>>> with the
>>>> electric faucet pump.
>>>> B) if I put pink in the head and pump it into the holding tank,
>>>> which has
>>>> been my practice in past boats, what about the line coming in from
>>>> the
>>>> water--the line that fills the head? Will this drain out, or do I
>>>> have
>>> to
>>>> find and disconnect it to prevent a freezing break?
>>>> C) if I leave the boat in the water (which I will probably not do)
>>>> does
>>> the
>>>> line that drains water out of the cockpit freeze? How can it be
>>> winterized
>>>> since they are open to the water, at least it appears to be the
>>>> case in
>>> the
>>>> lazarette?
>>>> D) Does my Yamaha 9.9 need to be drained in some way, or is it dry
>>>> when
>>> it
>>>> is up and out of the water?
>>>>
>>>> Frank
>>>> Dragonfly 2010
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 10/14/10 9:40 AM, "Mary Lou Troy" <mtroy at atlanticbb.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Winterize the outboard per manufacturer's suggestions.
>>>>>
>>>>> We trailer to winter storage so we take down the mast. We store
>>>>> the
>>>>> mast on the bow pulpit and stern rail with the slot down. We have
>>>>> a
>>>>> frame made out of PVC that gives a higher ridgepole than the mast
>>>>> and
>>>>> a tarp goes over that, well tied down so it doesn't flap and mar
>>>>> the
>>>>> paint and so it doesn't collect rain or snow in the slack spots.
>>>>>
>>>>> We take all cloth items off the boat (other than the sails in the
>>>>> mast) and store in a dry spot safe from bugs & critters.
>>>>>
>>>>> Because of the tarp and because everything is out of the cabin we
>>>>> leave the companionway open for ventilation.
>>>>>
>>>>> We pump the water tank dry and drain the lines.
>>>>>
>>>>> We bring the battery home and charge it every now and then.
>>>>>
>>>>> We put the left over gas in the car.
>>>>>
>>>>> That's it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Mary Lou
>>>>> 1991 R22 Fretless
>>>>> Rock Hall, MD
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> At 10:12 PM 10/13/2010, you wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Question for the list: What do Northern Rhodes owners do to
>>>>>> winterize
>>>> their
>>>>>> boats?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Dave
>>>>>> Rhodes 22 2006/Recycled 2010
>>>>>> Bolling AFB (Washington DC)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> __________________________________________________
>>>>>> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to
>>>>>> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
>>>>>>
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>>>>>> archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list
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>>>>>
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> Message: 7
> Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2010 17:54:01 -0400
> From: "Chris Cowie" <ccowie at cowieassociates.com>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Sailing Upwind
> To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
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> Lee:
>
> Less alcohol is too significant a change so I suppose I will just keep
> enjoying my 175.
>
> Christopher P. Cowie? ??
>
>
> 4400 MacArthur Blvd, NW Suite 300 Washington, DC? 20007 202.342.2711
> 202.342.2691 fax 202.270.1470 mobile
> [ccowie at cowieassociates.com]
> cowieassociates.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
> [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of KUHN, LELAND
> Sent: Monday, November 01, 2010 5:06 PM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Sailing Upwind
>
>
> Chris,
>
> Nice links!
>
> I guess it depends on your definition of "significant." If you're in
> to
> serious racing I guess everything is significant.
> With two furling sails, a loose-footed main, Genoa tracks, leads
> between
> the shrouds, a sliding boom, a traveler, a centerboard, and all of my
> movable railmeat; there's always something I could adjust to get an
> insignificant increase in speed. I don't think a smaller Genoa would
> help me much. More experience and knowledge and less alcohol would
> help
> me more than anything else.
>
> Lee
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
> [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of cowie
> Sent: Monday, November 01, 2010 4:40 PM
> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Sailing Upwind
>
>
> Lee:
>
> Do you think a smaller jib has any significant advantage over a furled
> 175
> genoa? I suppose the extra material of the genoa rolled up on the
> headstay
> is a bit sloppy but it doesn't seem like it would have a significant
> impact
> on pointing ability? I wondered if perhaps the actual triangular
> shape
> of
> the jib versus furled genoa would be much different but I am pretty
> sure
> both would be identical? I wish we had better too scale drawings of
> our
> Rhodes 22 sailboat. The following is a link to information about the
> sailmaster 22 that includes some nice plan and elevation drawings.
> The
> sailmaster is a pretty classic looking boat and seems to have some
> similarities to the rhodes.
>
> http://sailboatdata.com/VIEWRECORD.ASP?CLASS_ID=267
>
> There are a couple of books written about sailing the sailmaster 22
> around
> the Delmarva penninsula. Fun winter time reading.
>
> The NYTimes had an interesting article about sailing a small cape dory
> boat
> in Lake of the woods Ontario. The cape dory is also a cute little
> boat.
>
> The fixed keep would be a nice feature on those windy and turbulant
> sea
> days
> out on the Chesapeake but I wouldn't want to give up the shallow draft
> qualities. The cape dory link below also includes some nice plan and
> elevation drawings that would be nice to have for the Rhodes. Maybe a
> winter project for me.
>
> http://www.capedory.org/specs/typhoon.htm
>
>
> http://travel.nytimes.com/2010/10/31/travel/31lakeofthewoods-explorer.ht
> ml?ref=travel
>
>
>
> Leland wrote:
>>
>> Dave,
>>
>> "I have never
>> liked the 175 genoa very much because I can't sail nearly as close to
>> the
>> wind as any of hundreds of other sailboats on our lake."
>>
>> I don't think a smaller Genoa will help you sail closer to the wind
>> as
>> much as re-routing your sheets. You still won't be able to pull your
>> jib or smaller Genoa closer to the center of your boat if your sheets
>> are run outside of the outer shroud.
>>
>> As for sail shape, you can pull a 175% Genoa just as tight as a
> smaller
>> Genoa. A smaller Genoa won't have as much rolled-up bulk around the
>> furler and the sail will be closer to the deck, which will probably
>> improve performance slightly if you're on a close reach.
>>
>> The primary reason I would opt for a smaller Genoa is because I use
> the
>> full 175% sail less than 20% of the time. When I do use the full
>> 175%
> I
>> swear I'll never go with anything smaller.
>>
>> Feel free to give me a call if you'd like to discuss upwind
> performance.
>> 202.476.5369
>>
>> Good luck!
>>
>> Lee
>> 1986 Rhodes22 AT EASE
>> Kent Island, MD
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
>> [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Rhodes22Dave
>> Sent: Sunday, October 24, 2010 11:51 PM
>> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Sailing Upwind
>>
>>
>> Interesting. I will try this. I also thought that re-routing the
> genoa
>> sheets inside the shrouds would just get the sail caught. I have
> never
>> liked the 175 genoa very much because I can't sail nearly as close to
>> the
>> wind as any of hundreds of other sailboats on our lake. I can do a
>> little
>> better by furling in the genoa to a much smaller exposed sail
> area--but
>> at a
>> cost of sail shape with all the furling. I may get a second R22 and
> am
>> thinking of getting a smaller genoa--or adding the self-tending jib.
>> But
>> what you suggest might be a solution, at least for long tacks.
>> Dave
>>
>> Ben Cittadino wrote:
>>>
>>> I had two days in a row on Sandy Hook Bay in NJ this weekend, and I
>> want
>>> to report that I had a pleasing experience by "finally" re-routing
> the
>>> Jib (175 Genny) sheets inside the outer shrouds to try for better
>> upwind
>>> sailing. I have to say that I didn't expect much difference, but I
> was
>>> delighted to get inside 45 degrees at last. I obviously didn't let
> the
>>> Genny out to the full 175, but at 100 we flew along and I felt like
>>> I
>>> could make real headway upwind. I had delayed trying the new route
> for
>>> the sheets because I thought the sail would get all hung up in the
>>> shrouds, but it's become no big deal. Try it, you'll like it.
>>>
>>>
>>> BenCittadino
>>>
>>> S/V Susan Kay ('93 recycled '08)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> __________________________________________________
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
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> Message: 8
> Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2010 17:47:10 -0400
> From: Mary Lou Troy <mtroy at atlanticbb.net>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Sailing Upwind
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
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> Chris,
> The more you furl the big genoa the more likely that what is left
> unfurled will be baggy and unshapely. It's the bagginess that keeps
> you from pointing as high. The idea with a smaller jib is that you
> won't have to furl it as much and thus it will always have a better
> shape. When we had our jib modified so it would work with the
> Schaeffer Snap-Furl furler, they added a foam luff pad that was
> supposed to take up some of that bagginess. I think it has but the
> genoa is still somewhat blown out. The real difference we see is that
> we replaced our main with the new vertical batten design. I'm not sure
> that the batten has made all that much difference but the new crisp
> unstretched sailcloth is a definite improvement.
>
> The Sailmaster 22 is a Sparkman & Stephens design. As far as I'm
> concerned Phil Rhodes drew many a pretty boat but no one drew a
> prettier sheerline than Sparkman & Stephens. One of my favorites is
> the schooner Brilliant often berthed at Mystic Seaport in CT
> http://www.hnsa.org/ships/brilliant.htm
>
> The two books you mentioned are favorites of mine. The first is Robert
> de Gast's book "Western Wind, Eastern Shore" about his
> circumnavigation of the Delmarva Peninsula in his Sailmaster 22. It's
> out of print but is available in some libraries, by interlibrary loan
> and as a used book The second was written by Howard Walker Schindler,
> who was inspired by de Gast to make the same trip and it is called
> "Between Two Bays and the Sea". It is still in print. I only wish that
> Jim Morrison, who used to be a member of this list had written about
> his circumnavigation of the Delmarva in a Rhodes 22.
>
> Best,
> Mary Lou
>
>
>
> At 04:40 PM 11/1/2010, you wrote:
>
>> Lee:
>>
>> Do you think a smaller jib has any significant advantage over a
>> furled 175
>> genoa? I suppose the extra material of the genoa rolled up on the
>> headstay
>> is a bit sloppy but it doesn't seem like it would have a significant
>> impact
>> on pointing ability? I wondered if perhaps the actual triangular
>> shape of
>> the jib versus furled genoa would be much different but I am pretty
>> sure
>> both would be identical? I wish we had better too scale drawings of
>> our
>> Rhodes 22 sailboat. The following is a link to information about the
>> sailmaster 22 that includes some nice plan and elevation drawings.
>> The
>> sailmaster is a pretty classic looking boat and seems to have some
>> similarities to the rhodes.
>>
>> http://sailboatdata.com/VIEWRECORD.ASP?CLASS_ID=267
>>
>> There are a couple of books written about sailing the sailmaster 22
>> around
>> the Delmarva penninsula. Fun winter time reading.
>>
>> The NYTimes had an interesting article about sailing a small cape
>> dory boat
>> in Lake of the woods Ontario. The cape dory is also a cute little
>> boat.
>> The fixed keep would be a nice feature on those windy and turbulant
>> sea days
>> out on the Chesapeake but I wouldn't want to give up the shallow
>> draft
>> qualities. The cape dory link below also includes some nice plan and
>> elevation drawings that would be nice to have for the Rhodes. Maybe
>> a
>> winter project for me.
>>
>> http://www.capedory.org/specs/typhoon.htm
>>
>>
>> http://travel.nytimes.com/2010/10/31/travel/31lakeofthewoods-explorer.html?ref=travel
>>
>>
>>
>> Leland wrote:
>>>
>>> Dave,
>>>
>>> "I have never
>>> liked the 175 genoa very much because I can't sail nearly as close
>>> to
>>> the
>>> wind as any of hundreds of other sailboats on our lake."
>>>
>>> I don't think a smaller Genoa will help you sail closer to the wind
>>> as
>>> much as re-routing your sheets. You still won't be able to pull
>>> your
>>> jib or smaller Genoa closer to the center of your boat if your
>>> sheets
>>> are run outside of the outer shroud.
>>>
>>> As for sail shape, you can pull a 175% Genoa just as tight as a
>>> smaller
>>> Genoa. A smaller Genoa won't have as much rolled-up bulk around the
>>> furler and the sail will be closer to the deck, which will probably
>>> improve performance slightly if you're on a close reach.
>>>
>>> The primary reason I would opt for a smaller Genoa is because I use
>>> the
>>> full 175% sail less than 20% of the time. When I do use the full
>>> 175% I
>>> swear I'll never go with anything smaller.
>>>
>>> Feel free to give me a call if you'd like to discuss upwind
>>> performance.
>>> 202.476.5369
>>>
>>> Good luck!
>>>
>>> Lee
>>> 1986 Rhodes22 AT EASE
>>> Kent Island, MD
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
>>> [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of
>>> Rhodes22Dave
>>> Sent: Sunday, October 24, 2010 11:51 PM
>>> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Sailing Upwind
>>>
>>>
>>> Interesting. I will try this. I also thought that re-routing the
>>> genoa
>>> sheets inside the shrouds would just get the sail caught. I have
>>> never
>>> liked the 175 genoa very much because I can't sail nearly as close
>>> to
>>> the
>>> wind as any of hundreds of other sailboats on our lake. I can do a
>>> little
>>> better by furling in the genoa to a much smaller exposed sail
>>> area--but
>>> at a
>>> cost of sail shape with all the furling. I may get a second R22 and
>>> am
>>> thinking of getting a smaller genoa--or adding the self-tending jib.
>>> But
>>> what you suggest might be a solution, at least for long tacks.
>>> Dave
>>>
>>> Ben Cittadino wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I had two days in a row on Sandy Hook Bay in NJ this weekend, and I
>>> want
>>>> to report that I had a pleasing experience by "finally" re-routing
>>>> the
>>>> Jib (175 Genny) sheets inside the outer shrouds to try for better
>>> upwind
>>>> sailing. I have to say that I didn't expect much difference, but I
>>>> was
>>>> delighted to get inside 45 degrees at last. I obviously didn't let
>>>> the
>>>> Genny out to the full 175, but at 100 we flew along and I felt like
>>>> I
>>>> could make real headway upwind. I had delayed trying the new route
>>>> for
>>>> the sheets because I thought the sail would get all hung up in the
>>>> shrouds, but it's become no big deal. Try it, you'll like it.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> BenCittadino
>>>>
>>>> S/V Susan Kay ('93 recycled '08)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> __________________________________________________
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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