[Rhodes22-list] Sailing Upwind

Wed Nov 3 08:17:02 EDT 2010

Dave, 
The fact that you have the side railings makes your boat a completely  
different animal. I have never sailed on one with the railings, but I can  
imagine the problems you will encounter with them. You might ask for advice from  
someone who has the railings. Personally, I don't like them on a 22 foot  
sailboat. In fact, I don't even like them on a larger boat, but I understand 
why  they might be needed. Your inability to make the 175 work for you is 
directly  related to the railings. You might want to consider replacing your 
furling drum  with one that allows a complete sail change on the fly, unlike 
the GB  furler.

Rummy.......still waiting for the shuttle to go up.

In a message dated 11/3/2010 12:55:35 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
rhodes22dave at gmail.com writes:

Lee,  thanks for your comments.  I may give you a call, as I will have  to
decide which sail to put on my R22 this time, as compared to the 175 I  have
been using.  Last weekend the wind was mild but steady--about 5  mph.  Using
the full 175 was very pleasant.  But in gusty or  changeable winds (our most
common lake condition), and where sailing close  hauled is important, the 
175
is simply too much sail area too far forward,  and even when largely furled,
the boat doesn't point well--worse than all  the other boats that I see.
Unless the genoa is furled way in, I don't see  how I could lead the sheets
through the inner guides on the deck, inside  the shrouds.  I was surprised
that you mentioned that the smaller  genoa would be closer to the deck.  I
haven't seen one, but I assumed  that the 130/140/150 sizes would simply be
made in their smaller sizes by  shortening or raising the foot of the sail.

I also use my full 175 less  than 20% of the time, and when I am on a reach
in mild weather conditions,  it is a very nice sail.  So if you can keep a
decent sail shape and  still furl it way in for other conditions and 
re-route
the sheets to one of  the inner paths, then it's probably a good
multi-purpose compromise for a  sail.  80% of the time, I have the genoa
furled in to greater or  lesser degrees, and I am telling myself that next
time I am going to have a  smaller sail.

I also have the steel side rails, which are very  convenient, but the sheets
do often catch between the rails and the stays  on tacking, and I have to go
forward and free them up.  This is  avoided by furling in substantially just
before tacking, and then letting  the sail back out, but a smaller sail 
would
be just that much more  convenient.

Dave

On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 2:33 PM, KUHN, LELAND  <LKUHN at cnmc.org> wrote:

> Dave,
>
> "I have  never
> liked the 175 genoa very much because I can't sail nearly as  close to
> the
> wind as any of hundreds of other sailboats on our  lake."
>
> I don't think a smaller Genoa will help you sail closer  to the wind as
> much as re-routing your sheets.  You still won't  be able to pull your
> jib or smaller Genoa closer to the center of your  boat if your sheets
> are run outside of the outer  shroud.
>
> As for sail shape, you can pull a 175% Genoa just as  tight as a smaller
> Genoa.  A smaller Genoa won't have as much  rolled-up bulk around the
> furler and the sail will be closer to the  deck, which will probably
> improve performance slightly if you're on a  close reach.
>
> The primary reason I would opt for a smaller  Genoa is because I use the
> full 175% sail less than 20% of the  time.  When I do use the full 175% I
> swear I'll never go with  anything smaller.
>
> Feel free to give me a call if you'd like to  discuss upwind performance.
> 202.476.5369
>
> Good  luck!
>
> Lee
> 1986 Rhodes22  AT EASE
> Kent  Island, MD
>
>
>
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>  [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Rhodes22Dave
>  Sent: Sunday, October 24, 2010 11:51 PM
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> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Sailing  Upwind
>
>
> Interesting. I will try this.  I also  thought that re-routing the genoa
> sheets inside the shrouds would just  get the sail caught.  I have never
> liked the 175 genoa very much  because I can't sail nearly as close to
> the
> wind as any of  hundreds of other sailboats on our lake.  I can do a
>  little
> better by furling in the genoa to a much smaller exposed sail  area--but
> at a
> cost of sail shape with all the furling.   I may get a second R22 and am
> thinking of getting a smaller genoa--or  adding the self-tending jib.
> But
> what you suggest might be a  solution, at least for long tacks.
> Dave
>
> Ben Cittadino  wrote:
> >
> > I had two days in a row on Sandy Hook Bay in  NJ this weekend, and I
> want
> > to report that I had a  pleasing experience by "finally" re-routing the
> > Jib (175 Genny)  sheets inside the outer shrouds to try for better
> upwind
> >  sailing. I have to say that I didn't expect much difference, but I was
>  > delighted to get inside 45 degrees at last. I obviously didn't let  the
> > Genny out to the full 175, but at 100 we flew along and I  felt like I
> > could make real headway upwind. I had delayed trying  the new route for
> > the sheets because I thought the sail would get  all hung up in the
> > shrouds, but it's become no big deal. Try it,  you'll like it.
> >
> >
> >
> >  BenCittadino
> >
> > S/V Susan Kay ('93 recycled  '08)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> >
> >
> >
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> >
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