[Rhodes22-list] Sailing Upwind

Thu Nov 4 12:10:47 EDT 2010

Dave,

"Unless the genoa is furled way in, I don't see how I could lead the
sheets through the inner guides on the deck, inside the shrouds.  I was
surprised that you mentioned that the smaller genoa would be closer to
the deck.  I haven't seen one, but I assumed that the 130/140/150 sizes
would simply be made in their smaller sizes by shortening or raising the
foot of the sail."

Correct.  Typically I reroute my sheets when the Genoa is completely
furled away.  When the sheets are rerouted inside the shrouds it will
prevent you from using the full Genoa.

After rereading my post I should have said that the 175% decksweeper
Genoa sits closer to the deck.  As you furl the Genoa in, its foot rises
on the furler, so a partially furled sail will sit higher off the deck.
Sorry about the confusion.

Good luck!

Lee
1986 Rhodes22  AT EASE
Kent Island, MD

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of David Keyes
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Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Sailing Upwind

Lee, thanks for your comments.  I may give you a call, as I will have to
decide which sail to put on my R22 this time, as compared to the 175 I
have
been using.  Last weekend the wind was mild but steady--about 5 mph.
Using
the full 175 was very pleasant.  But in gusty or changeable winds (our
most
common lake condition), and where sailing close hauled is important, the
175
is simply too much sail area too far forward, and even when largely
furled,
the boat doesn't point well--worse than all the other boats that I see.
 Unless the genoa is furled way in, I don't see how I could lead the
sheets
through the inner guides on the deck, inside the shrouds.  I was
surprised
that you mentioned that the smaller genoa would be closer to the deck.
I
haven't seen one, but I assumed that the 130/140/150 sizes would simply
be
made in their smaller sizes by shortening or raising the foot of the
sail.

I also use my full 175 less than 20% of the time, and when I am on a
reach
in mild weather conditions, it is a very nice sail.  So if you can keep
a
decent sail shape and still furl it way in for other conditions and
re-route
the sheets to one of the inner paths, then it's probably a good
multi-purpose compromise for a sail.  80% of the time, I have the genoa
furled in to greater or lesser degrees, and I am telling myself that
next
time I am going to have a smaller sail.

I also have the steel side rails, which are very convenient, but the
sheets
do often catch between the rails and the stays on tacking, and I have to
go
forward and free them up.  This is avoided by furling in substantially
just
before tacking, and then letting the sail back out, but a smaller sail
would
be just that much more convenient.

Dave

On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 2:33 PM, KUHN, LELAND <LKUHN at cnmc.org> wrote:

> Dave,
>
> "I have never
> liked the 175 genoa very much because I can't sail nearly as close to
> the
> wind as any of hundreds of other sailboats on our lake."
>
> I don't think a smaller Genoa will help you sail closer to the wind as
> much as re-routing your sheets.  You still won't be able to pull your
> jib or smaller Genoa closer to the center of your boat if your sheets
> are run outside of the outer shroud.
>
> As for sail shape, you can pull a 175% Genoa just as tight as a
smaller
> Genoa.  A smaller Genoa won't have as much rolled-up bulk around the
> furler and the sail will be closer to the deck, which will probably
> improve performance slightly if you're on a close reach.
>
> The primary reason I would opt for a smaller Genoa is because I use
the
> full 175% sail less than 20% of the time.  When I do use the full 175%
I
> swear I'll never go with anything smaller.
>
> Feel free to give me a call if you'd like to discuss upwind
performance.
> 202.476.5369
>
> Good luck!
>
> Lee
> 1986 Rhodes22  AT EASE
> Kent Island, MD
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Rhodes22Dave
> Sent: Sunday, October 24, 2010 11:51 PM
> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Sailing Upwind
>
>
> Interesting. I will try this.  I also thought that re-routing the
genoa
> sheets inside the shrouds would just get the sail caught.  I have
never
> liked the 175 genoa very much because I can't sail nearly as close to
> the
> wind as any of hundreds of other sailboats on our lake.  I can do a
> little
> better by furling in the genoa to a much smaller exposed sail
area--but
> at a
> cost of sail shape with all the furling.  I may get a second R22 and
am
> thinking of getting a smaller genoa--or adding the self-tending jib.
> But
> what you suggest might be a solution, at least for long tacks.
> Dave
>
> Ben Cittadino wrote:
> >
> > I had two days in a row on Sandy Hook Bay in NJ this weekend, and I
> want
> > to report that I had a pleasing experience by "finally" re-routing
the
> > Jib (175 Genny) sheets inside the outer shrouds to try for better
> upwind
> > sailing. I have to say that I didn't expect much difference, but I
was
> > delighted to get inside 45 degrees at last. I obviously didn't let
the
> > Genny out to the full 175, but at 100 we flew along and I felt like
I
> > could make real headway upwind. I had delayed trying the new route
for
> > the sheets because I thought the sail would get all hung up in the
> > shrouds, but it's become no big deal. Try it, you'll like it.
> >
> >
> >
> > BenCittadino
> >
> > S/V Susan Kay ('93 recycled '08)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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