[Rhodes22-list] Sailing Upwind

[David Keyes]

Lee, thanks for your comments.  I may give you a call, as I will have to
decide which sail to put on my R22 this time, as compared to the 175 I have
been using.  Last weekend the wind was mild but steady--about 5 mph.  Using
the full 175 was very pleasant.  But in gusty or changeable winds (our most
common lake condition), and where sailing close hauled is important, the 175
is simply too much sail area too far forward, and even when largely furled,
the boat doesn't point well--worse than all the other boats that I see.
 Unless the genoa is furled way in, I don't see how I could lead the sheets
through the inner guides on the deck, inside the shrouds.  I was surprised
that you mentioned that the smaller genoa would be closer to the deck.  I
haven't seen one, but I assumed that the 130/140/150 sizes would simply be
made in their smaller sizes by shortening or raising the foot of the sail.

I also use my full 175 less than 20% of the time, and when I am on a reach
in mild weather conditions, it is a very nice sail.  So if you can keep a
decent sail shape and still furl it way in for other conditions and re-route
the sheets to one of the inner paths, then it's probably a good
multi-purpose compromise for a sail.  80% of the time, I have the genoa
furled in to greater or lesser degrees, and I am telling myself that next
time I am going to have a smaller sail.

I also have the steel side rails, which are very convenient, but the sheets
do often catch between the rails and the stays on tacking, and I have to go
forward and free them up.  This is avoided by furling in substantially just
before tacking, and then letting the sail back out, but a smaller sail would
be just that much more convenient.

Dave

On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 2:33 PM, KUHN, LELAND <LKUHN at cnmc.org> wrote:

> Dave,
>
> "I have never
> liked the 175 genoa very much because I can't sail nearly as close to
> the
> wind as any of hundreds of other sailboats on our lake."
>
> I don't think a smaller Genoa will help you sail closer to the wind as
> much as re-routing your sheets.  You still won't be able to pull your
> jib or smaller Genoa closer to the center of your boat if your sheets
> are run outside of the outer shroud.
>
> As for sail shape, you can pull a 175% Genoa just as tight as a smaller
> Genoa.  A smaller Genoa won't have as much rolled-up bulk around the
> furler and the sail will be closer to the deck, which will probably
> improve performance slightly if you're on a close reach.
>
> The primary reason I would opt for a smaller Genoa is because I use the
> full 175% sail less than 20% of the time.  When I do use the full 175% I
> swear I'll never go with anything smaller.
>
> Feel free to give me a call if you'd like to discuss upwind performance.
> 202.476.5369
>
> Good luck!
>
> Lee
> 1986 Rhodes22  AT EASE
> Kent Island, MD
>
>
>
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>
> Interesting. I will try this.  I also thought that re-routing the genoa
> sheets inside the shrouds would just get the sail caught.  I have never
> liked the 175 genoa very much because I can't sail nearly as close to
> the
> wind as any of hundreds of other sailboats on our lake.  I can do a
> little
> better by furling in the genoa to a much smaller exposed sail area--but
> at a
> cost of sail shape with all the furling.  I may get a second R22 and am
> thinking of getting a smaller genoa--or adding the self-tending jib.
> But
> what you suggest might be a solution, at least for long tacks.
> Dave
>
> Ben Cittadino wrote:
> >
> > I had two days in a row on Sandy Hook Bay in NJ this weekend, and I
> want
> > to report that I had a pleasing experience by "finally" re-routing the
> > Jib (175 Genny) sheets inside the outer shrouds to try for better
> upwind
> > sailing. I have to say that I didn't expect much difference, but I was
> > delighted to get inside 45 degrees at last. I obviously didn't let the
> > Genny out to the full 175, but at 100 we flew along and I felt like I
> > could make real headway upwind. I had delayed trying the new route for
> > the sheets because I thought the sail would get all hung up in the
> > shrouds, but it's become no big deal. Try it, you'll like it.
> >
> >
> >
> > BenCittadino
> >
> > S/V Susan Kay ('93 recycled '08)
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