[Rhodes22-list] John Lock Triad Trials

Tue Jun 21 17:31:19 EDT 2011

Joe,

With the single axle trailer, I generally line up the second port window 
over the wheel.  If you are too far forward, you will not be able to lift 
the trailer coupler off the hitch ball without a lot of effort. Cranking the 
trailer jack to lift a very heavy trailer usually breaks the plastic wheel. 
If the boat is too far aft, the tongue weight could be negative (ouch, that 
smarts when it hits you as you open the coupler - leave the safety chains 
attached just in case, to limit the travel of the trailer from the hitch). 
Until you have the correct tongue weight, DO NOT LEAVE THE WATER.  You may 
need to reposition the boat forward or backward.  This is best done with the 
boat floating (or nearly floating) and the bunks wet.

Use care when cranking the forward cable.  If the boat isn't sliding on the 
bunks, they are either too dry or the you need to back the trailer in deeper 
so that the boat floats.  If the cable snaps due to overload, it will do 
harm!

I once had my boat perfectly positioned on the trailer.  I then loaded a ton 
of junk into the cockpit and added my outboard so that I would be ready to 
go when she splashed.  When I tried to extend the tongue to launch, the 
negative tongue weight prevented the tongue from telescoping!  It's all 
physics.

Mike
s/v Shanghai'd Summer ('81)
Nissequogue River, NY

From: "Joe Camp" Tuesday, June 21, 2011 4:55 PM

John:

I don't have too much crap on the boat that would produce significant 
weight, aside from what's on the transom. If I simply snug the boat up 
against the forward-most point on the trailer (since the trailer is built 
for the boat) I assume I should be OK. Si?

Joe

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From: John Lock <jlock at relevantarts.com>
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2011 3:32 PM
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] BOB Triad Trials

Bob's statement might also be worded as "a lot of weight aft of the axle". 
Meaning - if you're weight distribution 40% forward and 60% aft, you're 
going to get fishtailing. If you can get close to 50/50 with 
rudder/motor/etc on the transom then your balance is OK.

Cheers!
John Lock
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
s/v Pandion - '79 Rhodes 22
Lake Sinclair, GA
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

On Jun 21, 2011, at 15:16, Joe Camp wrote:

> Bob:
>
> Define "a lot of weight on the boat transom." I'll have the rudder/tiller 
> and my little 6 hp outboard. Souldn't be a problem, I think.
>
> Joe Camp
> s/v John Dawson
>
>
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>
> What that means is that the mid point of the boat is centered on the hub 
> of the axle wheel for a single axle trailer as a rule of thumb. Precise 
> measurement would give you proper tongue weight. I add that because if you 
> have a lot of weight on the boat transom, you could still get some 
> "fishtailing."
>
> Bob on "NoKaOi 3"
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jun 21, 2011, at 1:44 PM, Ejor2 <ejor2 at aol.com> wrote:
>
>> One of the most important things is to get the boat all the way up on the 
>> trailer. If you don't get the right weight on the tongue, it will cause 
>> swaying.
>>
>> Eric J.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Jun 21, 2011, at 8:53 AM, Leland <LKUHN at cnmc.org> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Joe,
>>>
>>> Very important advice from Kathy. My boat also "dropped into an abyss"
>>> first time I launched it. We tied another truck to the launch truck and
>>> with both vehicles we had enough power to pull the trailer wheels back 
>>> up on
>>> solid ground.
>>>
>>> Good luck!
>>>
>>> Lee
>>> 1986 Rhodes22 AT EASE
>>> Kent Island, MD
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> James Barron wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Joe,
>>>>
>>>> The trailer is great and works just as it is supposed to. Check the
>>>> integrity of the bunks, bolts, etc.
>>>> The only problem we had launching with the tongue extension was that we
>>>> backed the trailer wheels past the end of the ramp and the wheels
>>>> essentially dropped into an abyss with the trailer frame resting on the
>>>> concrete. Thankfully, we had access to our sailing club's rescue boat 
>>>> and
>>>> used the crane to lift the trailer so it could be pulled forward. I 
>>>> think
>>>> others have had the same problem with varying solutions. We never again
>>>> put the trailer in without first using a "feeler" pole to find the end 
>>>> of
>>>> the ramp.
>>>>
>>>> Happy sailing,   Kathy
>>>>
>>>> ---- Joe Camp <jjcampjr at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>> Hi Gang:
>>>>>
>>>>> Soon, I will use my Triad trailer for the first time. I'm moving my 
>>>>> boat
>>>>> from northern North Carolina to southeastern Pennsylvania. (and ne'er
>>>>> the twain shall meet) Of course, I helped Elton in the launch last 
>>>>> year;
>>>>> but it was ninety-five (f-ing) degrees, I am prone to heat stroke, and 
>>>>> my
>>>>> blood-sugar was very low. Then, I was not too concerned with the
>>>>> workings of the trailer. Now, I am.
>>>>>
>>>>> Please give me a bit of your expert advice concerning the use of the
>>>>> extending tongue (the trailer's, not my own) as well as any hints 
>>>>> about
>>>>> behavior and handling you might feel well placed. We're trekking north
>>>>> on I-85 to
>>>>> I-95 and into the Philly suburbs. I hope she trails as well as she
>>>>> sails. Thanks.
>>>>>
>>>>> Joe Camp
>>>>> s/v John Dawson
>>>>> High Point, NC
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