[Rhodes22-list] Rhodes22-list Digest, Vol 2688, Issue 1
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> 1. Re: Chain plate replacement (Dana)
> 2. Re: genoa size (fcrawford0707 at aol.com)
> 3. Re: Week 5 part 3 Desolation Sound The End (Chris Geankoplis)
> 4. Re: genoa size (Ronald Lipton)
> 5. Re: genoa size (Bob and Kathy Quinn)
> 6. Re: genoa size (Jim Connolly)
> 7. Re: genoa size (Dennis McNeely)
> 8. Re: genoa size (Michael D. Weisner)
> 9. Re: genoa size (Mary Lou Troy)
> 10. Re: genoa size (Mary Lou Troy)
> 11. Re: genoa size (Dennis McNeely)
> 12. Re: genoa size (R22RumRunner at aol.com)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2011 12:59:47 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Dana <realnamen at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Chain plate replacement
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> I had the same guy that did Slim's do all four of mine two years ago.? He was able to get at everything by removing ports.? So mine looks just like Slim's from the outside, but there are no access holes/plates inside the cabin.
>
> -Dana
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Andrew Collins <sailingvesselcarmen at gmail.com>
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2011 3:45 PM
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Chain plate replacement
>
> Thank you! Very helpful !
>
> Andrew
>
> On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 2:05 PM, Lowe, Rob <rlowe at vt.edu> wrote:
>
> > Andrew,
> > We just covered this not long ago.? Here are photos of the replacement that
> > Slim did (or had done) after consulting with Stan.? You are correct, the
> > chain plate does bend 90 when it comes through the cabin top and is screwed
> > to the bottom of the plywood in the cabin top.? Both Slim and I mounted our
> > replacement through the cabin side.? Both of us opened up the headliner by
> > cutting it and covering with a plate.? From a previous post...
> >
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Bad News
> >
> > Not too bad.? Here are some photos of what Slim did when he had a pulled
> > chain plate.
> >
> >
> > http://www.rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20080828/739e8461/attachment-0001.jpg
> >
> > Above shows backing block epoxied to the outside skin after an access hole
> > is cut in the cabin liner.
> >
> >
> > http://www.rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20080828/739e8461/attachment-0002.jpg
> >
> >
> > Shows attachment screws that are drilled through cabin side and inner
> > backing block.? I used nylons screws for this instead of metal because I
> > wanted the screws to break if this ever happened again.? Didn't want the
> > whole cabin side being ripped out.
> >
> >
> > http://www.rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20080828/739e8461/attachment.jpg
> >
> >
> > Shows cover plate over access hole.
> >
> >
> > The inner chain plates bend once they come through the cabin top and are
> > screwed into the cabin top plywood under the cabin liner.? What Slim and I
> > both did was mounted a straight chain plate to the boat and attach it
> > through the side of the cabin.? I'm pretty sure Stan came up with this
> > repair.? I'm using Slim's photo's since he did a neater job than I did. -
> > rob
> >
> >
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> Message: 2
> Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2011 19:08:14 -0400 (EDT)
> From: fcrawford0707 at aol.com
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] genoa size
> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
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> Paul - We started with a 175 and had the same difficulties you describe. We now have a 150 and prefer it to the 175.
> Frone crawford
> s/v Sunday Morning
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Paul Krawitz <krawitzmail-rhodes at yahoo.com>
> To: rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Sent: Sat, Oct 15, 2011 10:17 am
> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] genoa size
>
>
> On my new 2nd Rhodes, I find that the 175% genoa is too much sail in heavy
> air and too heavy/floppy in light air. And even with plastic rods covering
> the shrouds and cylindrical vinyl turnbuckle covers, it gets readily tangled
> during tacks. I usually furl it a bit for greatest functionality across a
> wider range of wind speeds, which hurts sail shape.
>
> 1. Other than Mary Lou's lovely UPS solution, what are the group's opinions
> on ideal genoa size for the Rhodes?
> 2. Would a lighter edge fabric make the sail appreciably less heavy/floppy
> in light air?
>
> --
> Paul Krawitz
> "Clarity"
> 2008
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/57960566@N08/6246515316/lightbox/
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> Message: 3
> Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2011 17:35:51 -0700
> From: "Chris Geankoplis" <napoli68 at charter.net>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Week 5 part 3 Desolation Sound The End
> To: "'The Rhodes 22 Email List'" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
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> Thanks Elle, Coming from someone who always has some truly remarkable
> photos,that means a lot.
>
> Chris G
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
> [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of elle
> Sent: Friday, October 14, 2011 3:05 PM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Week 5 part 3 Desolation Sound The End
>
> Lovely pix.
>
> elle
> ?
> Beer is good....people are crazy
>
>
> 1992 Rhodes 22 ? ?Recycled '06
> "Watermusic" ?{Lady in Red}
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Chris Geankoplis <napoli68 at charter.net>
> To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2011 9:40 PM
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Week 5 part 3 Desolation Sound The End
>
> Elle,
> ??? The camera that was used for most of the Desolation Sound pictures
> (except part 4) was a Canon Powershot SD1000
> Chris
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
> [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of elle
> Sent: Monday, October 10, 2011 12:21 PM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Week 5 part 3 Desolation Sound The End
>
> Great stuff, chris!!! Many thanks...
>
> What camera did you take this photo with???
>
> Sand spit at the entrance to Manson?s Lagoon, Vancouver Island in back
>
>
> elle
> ?
> Beer is good....people are crazy
>
>
> 1992 Rhodes 22 ? ?Recycled '06
> "Watermusic" ?{Lady in Red}
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Chris Geankoplis <napoli68 at charter.net>
> To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Sent: Saturday, October 8, 2011 11:29 AM
> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Week 5 part 3 Desolation Sound The End
>
> Here is dessert, no more entrees.? I will be hibernating until next spring.
> Maybe I will return to the area or perhaps trailer the boat up to near
> Alaska and then sail it south, We shall see.? It was a real adventure
> sailing the Rhodes, well it always is, even on a day sail on the lake.? I've
> enjoyed sharing these experiences with the list and the positive feedback
> from all the Rhodies.? As the weather gets colder (33 degrees up at the lake
> this morning where I'm headed for the last sail of the season, perhaps)? I
> think we are all looking forward to Carl's warm tropical journal. Carl?
>
>
>
> Chris Geankoplis
>
> Enosis
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> Message: 4
> Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2011 20:44:52 -0500
> From: Ronald Lipton <ronald.lipton at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] genoa size
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
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> I also had a similar experience. I started out with the 175, but often in light winds the sailcloth is a bit too heavy. I also went with the 150 and have the UPS for light wind days.
>
> Ron
>
> On Oct 15, 2011, at 6:08 PM, fcrawford0707 at aol.com wrote:
>
> > Paul - We started with a 175 and had the same difficulties you describe. We now have a 150 and prefer it to the 175.
> > Frone crawford
> > s/v Sunday Morning
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Paul Krawitz <krawitzmail-rhodes at yahoo.com>
> > To: rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > Sent: Sat, Oct 15, 2011 10:17 am
> > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] genoa size
> >
> >
> > On my new 2nd Rhodes, I find that the 175% genoa is too much sail in heavy
> > air and too heavy/floppy in light air. And even with plastic rods covering
> > the shrouds and cylindrical vinyl turnbuckle covers, it gets readily tangled
> > during tacks. I usually furl it a bit for greatest functionality across a
> > wider range of wind speeds, which hurts sail shape.
> >
> > 1. Other than Mary Lou's lovely UPS solution, what are the group's opinions
> > on ideal genoa size for the Rhodes?
> > 2. Would a lighter edge fabric make the sail appreciably less heavy/floppy
> > in light air?
> >
> > --
> > Paul Krawitz
> > "Clarity"
> > 2008
> > http://www.flickr.com/photos/57960566@N08/6246515316/lightbox/
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> ------------------------------
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> Message: 5
> Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2011 20:33:07 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Bob and Kathy Quinn <bobandkathyr22 at bellsouth.net>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] genoa size
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
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> I believe the ideal size depends on where you sail.? We have used a 125/130, 150 and 175.? We prefer the 150 as we are on the east coast of Florida where the winds are pretty consistent and bustery.? At times a 120/130 appeals but the 150 will furl to a satisfactory size with no issues.?? For lakes the 175 is probably your best bet.
>
>
> Bob in Florida on the R22 "NoKaOi 3"
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Paul Krawitz <krawitzmail-rhodes at yahoo.com>
> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2011 8:16 AM
> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] genoa size
>
> On my new 2nd Rhodes, I find that the 175% genoa is too much sail in heavy
> air and too heavy/floppy in light air. And even with plastic rods covering
> the shrouds and cylindrical vinyl turnbuckle covers, it gets readily tangled
> during tacks. I usually furl it a bit for greatest functionality across a
> wider range of wind speeds, which hurts sail shape.
>
> 1. Other than Mary Lou's lovely UPS solution, what are the group's opinions
> on ideal genoa size for the Rhodes?
> 2. Would a lighter edge fabric make the sail appreciably less heavy/floppy
> in light air?
>
> --
> Paul Krawitz
> "Clarity"
> 2008
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/57960566@N08/6246515316/lightbox/
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> Message: 6
> Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2011 23:59:50 -0400
> From: "Jim Connolly" <jbconnolly at comcast.net>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] genoa size
> To: "'The Rhodes 22 Email List'" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
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> I completely agree. I have consistent good winds and am happy with a 150.
> Maybe two days a season the winds are light and I wish for more sail. The
> UPS would then be ideal, but alas is not in the budget.
>
> Jim Connolly
> s/v Inisheer
> '85 recycled '03
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
> [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Bob and Kathy Quinn
> Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2011 11:33 PM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] genoa size
>
> I believe the ideal size depends on where you sail.? We have used a 125/130,
> 150 and 175.? We prefer the 150 as we are on the east coast of Florida where
> the winds are pretty consistent and bustery.? At times a 120/130 appeals but
> the 150 will furl to a satisfactory size with no issues.?? For lakes the 175
> is probably your best bet.
>
>
> Bob in Florida on the R22 "NoKaOi 3"
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Paul Krawitz <krawitzmail-rhodes at yahoo.com>
> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2011 8:16 AM
> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] genoa size
>
> On my new 2nd Rhodes, I find that the 175% genoa is too much sail in heavy
> air and too heavy/floppy in light air. And even with plastic rods covering
> the shrouds and cylindrical vinyl turnbuckle covers, it gets readily tangled
> during tacks. I usually furl it a bit for greatest functionality across a
> wider range of wind speeds, which hurts sail shape.
>
> 1. Other than Mary Lou's lovely UPS solution, what are the group's opinions
> on ideal genoa size for the Rhodes?
> 2. Would a lighter edge fabric make the sail appreciably less heavy/floppy
> in light air?
>
> --
> Paul Krawitz
> "Clarity"
> 2008
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/57960566@N08/6246515316/lightbox/
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> Message: 7
> Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2011 00:41:29 -0400
> From: Dennis McNeely <mcneelyd at site-solutions.com>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] genoa size
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
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> Paul,
>
> I share your frustration with the sheet catching the baby stays while
> tacking. When I bought Magic Moments from her previous owner, the genoa
> sheet was a single long line with a cow hitch
> (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cow_hitch) securing the middle of the line
> to the clew. The knot is simplicity itself, but to tack, the baby stays
> have to pass between the two sheets, which the knot secures parallel and
> adjacent to one another. That is the very spot that catches the baby
> stays - and it was driving me crazy, especially when short tacking. I
> came up with a two part solution:
> - change the cow hitch to a clove hitch
> (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clove_hitch), so the two sheets leave the
> knot at a very 'open' angle, making it much more difficult for the knot
> to hang up on the stays. I secured the clove hitch with thread to
> prevent it from loosening when the sail luffs and flops around.
> - when I had the genoa restitched last year, I had the loft put an
> extra grommet in the foot of the genoa, about 70% of the way back from
> the tack to the clew. I read somewhere that tacking with a large genoa
> could be made much easier if a line was run forward from the cockpit to
> a block at the pulpit and back to that grommet, as pulling on the line
> from the cockpit then pulled the foot of the sail forward, eliminating
> the need to go forward or furl the genoa while tacking. Apparently the
> line is one type of a 'tricing line'. Once you have a tricing line set
> up, you can change tacks "in a trice" (literally, with one tug).
>
> With regard to the sail wanting to collapse in light air, my biggest
> problems occur while broad reaching or running. The apparent wind is
> slow while working downwind, and the weight of the sail takes a certain
> pleasure in collapsing despite your best efforts. Fortunately, the
> previous owner had purchased a whisker pole, which supports the genoa's
> clew outboard and minimizes collapsing. You can secure the end of the
> whisker pole with a topping lift and/or a fore guy and after guy to
> prevent the weight of the pole from pulling on the leech and collapsing
> the sail forward or prevent a gust of wind from causing the pole to
> lift. You can even furl the genoa while the pole provides control for
> the position of the sail's clew. Gybing with the pole set can be a
> little daunting though (especially if single handing) - you've got to
> furl the genoa, retract the whisker pole (it telescopes), swap sheets
> (and possibly the after guy) at the outboard end of the pole, and
> re-extend it on the opposite side of the boat. It can make for a real
> dance if the bow is bouncing around much at all ;-)
>
> The big genoa is a challenge, but it's a godsend on days when the wind
> is only barely cooperating. Good luck with yours.
>
> Dennis
>
> On 10/15/2011 10:16 AM, Paul Krawitz wrote:
> > On my new 2nd Rhodes, I find that the 175% genoa is too much sail in heavy
> > air and too heavy/floppy in light air. And even with plastic rods covering
> > the shrouds and cylindrical vinyl turnbuckle covers, it gets readily tangled
> > during tacks.
>
> -- snipped --
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 8
> Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2011 08:28:05 -0400
> From: "Michael D. Weisner" <mweisner at ebsmed.com>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] genoa size
> To: "'The Rhodes 22 Email List'" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Message-ID: <024201cc8bff$0f085f30$2d191d90$@com>
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>
> Dennis,
>
> I would not advise using a clove hitch instead of the cow hitch since a
> clove can permit the jib sheet to slide towards the loose end. Securing it
> with thread seems to go against all that is holy about being able to quickly
> untie or change knots in all conditions.
>
> On the other hand, using a tack tricing line is very interesting. I wonder,
> "How was the 70% point determined?" Can a tricing line be affixed to the
> clew, at least to test? It might also keep it from fouling as tack tricing
> lines sometimes do.
>
>
> Mike
> s/v Shanghai'd Summer ('81)
> Nissequogue River, NY
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
> [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Dennis McNeely
> Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2011 12:41 AM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] genoa size
>
> Paul,
>
> I share your frustration with the sheet catching the baby stays while
> tacking. When I bought Magic Moments from her previous owner, the genoa
> sheet was a single long line with a cow hitch
> (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cow_hitch) securing the middle of the line
> to the clew. The knot is simplicity itself, but to tack, the baby stays
> have to pass between the two sheets, which the knot secures parallel and
> adjacent to one another. That is the very spot that catches the baby
> stays - and it was driving me crazy, especially when short tacking. I
> came up with a two part solution:
> - change the cow hitch to a clove hitch
> (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clove_hitch), so the two sheets leave the
> knot at a very 'open' angle, making it much more difficult for the knot
> to hang up on the stays. I secured the clove hitch with thread to
> prevent it from loosening when the sail luffs and flops around.
> - when I had the genoa restitched last year, I had the loft put an
> extra grommet in the foot of the genoa, about 70% of the way back from
> the tack to the clew. I read somewhere that tacking with a large genoa
> could be made much easier if a line was run forward from the cockpit to
> a block at the pulpit and back to that grommet, as pulling on the line
> from the cockpit then pulled the foot of the sail forward, eliminating
> the need to go forward or furl the genoa while tacking. Apparently the
> line is one type of a 'tricing line'. Once you have a tricing line set
> up, you can change tacks "in a trice" (literally, with one tug).
>
> With regard to the sail wanting to collapse in light air, my biggest
> problems occur while broad reaching or running. The apparent wind is
> slow while working downwind, and the weight of the sail takes a certain
> pleasure in collapsing despite your best efforts. Fortunately, the
> previous owner had purchased a whisker pole, which supports the genoa's
> clew outboard and minimizes collapsing. You can secure the end of the
> whisker pole with a topping lift and/or a fore guy and after guy to
> prevent the weight of the pole from pulling on the leech and collapsing
> the sail forward or prevent a gust of wind from causing the pole to
> lift. You can even furl the genoa while the pole provides control for
> the position of the sail's clew. Gybing with the pole set can be a
> little daunting though (especially if single handing) - you've got to
> furl the genoa, retract the whisker pole (it telescopes), swap sheets
> (and possibly the after guy) at the outboard end of the pole, and
> re-extend it on the opposite side of the boat. It can make for a real
> dance if the bow is bouncing around much at all ;-)
>
> The big genoa is a challenge, but it's a godsend on days when the wind
> is only barely cooperating. Good luck with yours.
>
> Dennis
>
> On 10/15/2011 10:16 AM, Paul Krawitz wrote:
> > On my new 2nd Rhodes, I find that the 175% genoa is too much sail in heavy
> > air and too heavy/floppy in light air. And even with plastic rods covering
> > the shrouds and cylindrical vinyl turnbuckle covers, it gets readily
> tangled
> > during tacks.
>
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> Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2011 09:02:13 -0400
> From: Mary Lou Troy <mtroy at atlanticbb.net>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] genoa size
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> Hi Paul,
> You asked about lighter edge fabric and the answer is yes - a lighter
> material on the suncover does allow the sail to hold its shape better
> in light air.
>
> When we had our old genny repaired and reconditioned at SailCare, we
> had them replace the sacrificial Sunbrella with a lighter weight UV
> coated Dacron. I forget what it was called but it is lighter weight
> and it is available only in white. It also doesn't last as long but
> seeing as how we got 10 years out of the old Sunbrella, by the time
> this stuff goes, it will be time for a new sail anyway.
>
> The good news is that the sail holds its shape better (much better)
> in light air. Having the lighter material on the sail has reminded me
> what a great sail the 175 is for a Rhodes 22. We are still thinking
> of getting a smaller sail (say a 150) that will hold its shape better
> when furled way down but the new suncover material on the 175 has
> complicated that decision.
>
> BTW, the UPS is great fun and works really well in lots of
> conditions, but you have to rig it when you want to use it and take
> it down afterwards.
>
> Best,
> Mary Lou
> 1991 R22 Fretless
> Rock Hall, MD
>
>
> At 10:16 AM 10/15/2011, you wrote:
> >On my new 2nd Rhodes, I find that the 175% genoa is too much sail in heavy
> >air and too heavy/floppy in light air. And even with plastic rods covering
> >the shrouds and cylindrical vinyl turnbuckle covers, it gets readily tangled
> >during tacks. I usually furl it a bit for greatest functionality across a
> >wider range of wind speeds, which hurts sail shape.
> >
> >1. Other than Mary Lou's lovely UPS solution, what are the group's opinions
> >on ideal genoa size for the Rhodes?
> >2. Would a lighter edge fabric make the sail appreciably less heavy/floppy
> >in light air?
> >
> >--
> >Paul Krawitz
> >"Clarity"
> >2008
> >http://www.flickr.com/photos/57960566@N08/6246515316/lightbox/
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> Message: 10
> Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2011 09:06:00 -0400
> From: Mary Lou Troy <mtroy at atlanticbb.net>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] genoa size
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> One more thing. There is a nice but slightly dated (2004) discussion
> of roller furling headsails at:
> http://www.porttownsendsails.com/pdf/roller_furling_headsails.pdf
>
> She's talking about sails for larger cruising boats but much of the
> discussion still applies.
>
> Mary Lou
>
>
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> Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2011 10:06:33 -0400
> From: Dennis McNeely <mcneelyd at site-solutions.com>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] genoa size
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> Mike,
>
> ... against all that is holy, eh? <hoists mug of grog> Aye!! I've gone
> all season without touching that knot (excepting when the cow hitch hung
> on the baby stay), and only mucked with it at the end of the year when
> storing the lines prior to shrinkwrapping. No issues to date (knocking
> on wood here), and not having to go forward to free the sail is a 'thing
> of beauty and a joy to behold'. Granted, backing the genoa as the bow
> comes through the wind helps, but that little cow hitch is a sneaky
> little devil and manages to catch on the stay at the worst moment on the
> most ticklish tacks - the ones where land or another boat dictate you
> tack ASAP. It's a simple matter to tack earlier when you have the room,
> but if you're working a relatively narrow river and tacking frequently,
> you tend to push the limits to cut down the number of tacks.
>
> The 70% figure came from some comments I read - the origin is lost in
> the mist between my ears. i needed to have the sail's seams re-sewn, so
> I just asked to have the grommet installed at the same time and never
> tried using the clew as an attachment point for the tricing line. I've
> never had any problem with the tricing line fouling when attached to the
> new grommet - but perhaps a test using the clew is in order in the spring.
>
> BTW, the tricing line can be used as a foreguy for the wiskerpole when
> working downwind, since there's no real worry about the genoa snagging
> then - you're going to go forward to re-arrange the wisker pole and sail
> when you gybe anyway.
>
> Dennis
>
> On 10/16/2011 8:28 AM, Michael D. Weisner wrote:
> > Dennis,
> >
> > I would not advise using a clove hitch instead of the cow hitch since a
> > clove can permit the jib sheet to slide towards the loose end. Securing it
> > with thread seems to go against all that is holy about being able to quickly
> > untie or change knots in all conditions.
> >
> > On the other hand, using a tack tricing line is very interesting. I wonder,
> > "How was the 70% point determined?" Can a tricing line be affixed to the
> > clew, at least to test? It might also keep it from fouling as tack tricing
> > lines sometimes do.
> >
> >
> > Mike
> > s/v Shanghai'd Summer ('81)
> > Nissequogue River, NY
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
> > On 10/15/2011 10:16 AM, Paul Krawitz wrote:
> >> On my new 2nd Rhodes, I find that the 175% genoa is too much sail in heavy
> >> air and too heavy/floppy in light air. And even with plastic rods covering
> >> the shrouds and cylindrical vinyl turnbuckle covers, it gets readily
> > -- snipped --
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> Message: 12
> Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2011 11:49:17 -0400 (EDT)
> From: R22RumRunner at aol.com
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] genoa size
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> Paul,
> Without a photo it is hard to visualize what you currently have for shroud
> protectors. One solution I found was to use pvc pipe ( approximately 3 feet
> long) over the four forward shrouds and the turnbuckles. If they still
> hang over a one inch pvc pipe, I've seen less experienced sailors add a second
> pvc pipe over the smaller one, turning the inner pipe into a bearing so to
> speak. There are many ways to approach this without getting rid of the
> 175. I sail on an inland lake and wouldn't be without it.
>
> Rummy
>
>
> In a message dated 10/15/2011 10:17:23 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> krawitzmail-rhodes at yahoo.com writes:
>
> On my new 2nd Rhodes, I find that the 175% genoa is too much sail in heavy
> air and too heavy/floppy in light air. And even with plastic rods covering
> the shrouds and cylindrical vinyl turnbuckle covers, it gets readily
> tangled
> during tacks. I usually furl it a bit for greatest functionality across a
> wider range of wind speeds, which hurts sail shape.
>
> 1. Other than Mary Lou's lovely UPS solution, what are the group's opinions
> on ideal genoa size for the Rhodes?
> 2. Would a lighter edge fabric make the sail appreciably less heavy/floppy
> in light air?
>
> --
> Paul Krawitz
> "Clarity"
> 2008
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/57960566@N08/6246515316/lightbox/
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