[Rhodes22-list] I'm wet (with a twist)

Joe Camp jjcampjr at yahoo.com
Sun Jul 15 12:45:08 EDT 2012 

Chris:

     I suppose the centerboard hose is a possibility.  But there were (I've upped my estimate) over thirty gallons of water I pumped overboard.  The pennant hose may have accounted for some of that, but not all. I am convinced that the water found a variety of sources of ingress.  However it got in, the ultimate conclusion remains unchanged... I have to deal with the situation, now and in the future.

     By the way (anyone) I am trying to wire a small bilge pump for use when I am off the boat.  I want to plug it into my 12v power point with a cigarette lighter plug, but I can't get it to power up.  There are three leads off the pump: a red, a black and  brown, and there are no wiring instructions in the package.  I assume that the brown is for an external switch, which I won't need, since the pump has a self contained float switch .  But the pump seems to want something besides red and black to make it perform.  Any ideas? Thanks.

Joe Camp



>________________________________
> From: Chris Geankoplis <napoli68 at charter.net>
>To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> 
>Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2012 1:03 AM
>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] I'm wet (with a twist)
> 
>You know,
>    Has anyone mention the possibility of the centerboard pennant hose?
>What was that phrase? "Loose clamps Sink Ships"
>Chris G
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
>[mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Bob Keller
>Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2012 9:45 PM
>To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] I'm wet (with a twist)
>
>
>I agree with Chris that polysulfide is best for below water-line, thru hull
>fittings.  I have more than I can count on my boat and changed from 5200 to
>polysulfide for the simple reason that PS flexes and 5200 doesn't.  When
>trailering, launching and retrieving the boat it helps to have something
>that flexes and holds.  I had some leaks and went with PS about 8 yrs ago
>and it has been flawless. As for the leak, I am betting on the centerboard
>trunk.BK
>> From: napoli68 at charter.net
>> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
>> Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2012 19:04:28 -0700
>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] I'm wet (with a twist)
>> 
>> Silicon Sealant, marine or otherwise, should not be used below the water
>> line.  The best thing to use if you want a polyurethane sealant is one
>> called "thru hull sealant" or something like that, 3M may make it. I use a
>> polysulfide sealant like "Lifecaulk" and I can say it last at least 30
>years
>> personal experience.
>> Chris G
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
>> [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Goodness
>> Sent: Friday, July 13, 2012 12:50 PM
>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] I'm wet (with a twist)
>> 
>> My cockpit drain fitting was bedded in goopy silicone adhesive.  Its ugly
>> and excessive.  This isnt standard is it?  I should replace with 3m 5200
>> shouldnt i?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Jul 13, 2012, at 3:42 PM, "Michael D. Weisner" <mweisner at ebsmed.com>
>> wrote:
>> 
>> > At one time I had water leaking in at the thru hull fitting for the
>> cockpit
>> > drain on my '81.  The level in the laz never rose more than an inch or
>two
>> > when on the hook.  When sailing, quite a bit more water was found in the
>> laz
>> > at the end of the day.  I found that the gasket around the fitting had
>> > disintegrated over time (30 years).
>> > 
>> > I snugged the nut to the bottom of the laz BY HAND, not wanting to
>> fracture
>> > the fiberglass around the fitting nor the 30 year-old nylon fitting.  I
>> was
>> > able to complete the season without a tremendous amount of water in the
>> laz.
>> > During the winter layup I replaced the thru hull fitting, the hose and
>the
>> > two clamps, rebedding both fittings.  Never had another problem.
>> > 
>> > Mike
>> > s/v Shanghai'd Summer ('81)
>> > s/v <- no name -> ('91)
>> > Nissequogue River, NY
>> > 
>> > 
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
>> > [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Lowe, Rob
>> > Sent: Friday, July 13, 2012 3:21 PM
>> > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
>> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] I'm wet (with a twist)
>> > 
>> > Joe,
>> > There will be some water visible in the cockpit drain when viewed from
>the
>> > cockpit.  I'm with Mary Lou in that if you are getting water into the
>boat
>> > with no rain, wind, or heeling; there are two likely places.  The
>> > centerboard housing, which is unlikely if you haven't taken it apart
>> lately,
>> > and the cockpit drain.  Take a real close look at the hose and thru hull
>> of
>> > the cockpit drain hose which you get to through the laz.  The hose looks
>> > like radiation hose with a couple of hose clamps on it.  A loose clamp
>or
>> a
>> > worn hose may be an issue.  Good luck! - rob
>> > 
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
>> > [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Joe Camp
>> > Sent: Friday, July 13, 2012 3:10 PM
>> > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
>> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] I'm wet (with a twist)
>> > 
>> > Mary Lou:
>> > 
>> >      There is some standing water I noticed in the deck cockpit drain.
>> I'd
>> > never noticed any there before, though maybe I missed it previously.
>Sink
>> > drain looks fine, but could stand a close inspection. Everyone has given
>> me
>> > excellent information with which to investigate a variety of causes.  I
>> > suppose, now is the time to make up a checklist and begin to tic off
>> > possible sources.  Tally ho!  Thanks to all.
>> > 
>> > Joe 
>> >  
>> > 
>> > 
>> > 
>> > 
>> >> ________________________________
>> >> From: Mary Lou Troy <mtroy at atlanticbb.net>
>> >> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> >> Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2012 11:20 PM
>> >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] I'm wet (with a twist)
>> >> 
>> >> Hmm. No rain, not much wind or did you have rain up there? If not.... 
>> >> What do you have for through hulls? Check the aft cockpit drain. The 
>> >> tube for it goes through the lazarette. Check your sink drain fittings 
>> >> though that is above water and only ships water on a heel (water will 
>> >> get into the boat if the drain hose is loose and the boat heels). The 
>> >> only other culprit that I can think of is the centerboard housing but 
>> >> if you haven't had it apart recently and it didn't leak before, it's 
>> >> unlikely to leak now. I suppose it's possible that water is still 
>> >> running into the low spot from when you got swamped.
>> >> 
>> >> Good luck in tracking it down.
>> >> 
>> >> Mary Lou
>> >> 1991 R22 Fretless
>> >> Rock Hall, MD
>> >> 
>> >> 
>> >> 
>> >> 
>> >> At 09:07 PM 7/12/2012, you wrote:
>> >>> Hi Gang:
>> >>> 
>> >>>       You may remember, in the last episode, Joe had faced the 
>> >>> heartbreak of a wet boat.  In this installment, he reports that, 
>> >>> despite pumping and sponging water, more seems to replace what has 
>> >>> been removed from the bilge.  It's not a flood, but it keeps  showing 
>> >>> up when he goes to the boat or sails.
>> >>> 
>> >>>       What culprit has gained control of circumstances?  Is the boat 
>> >>> afflicted by an unseen crack in the hull?  Is there some hiding  place
>
>> >>> from which water seeps? How long will our hero have to battle  the 
>> >>> errant water?  Is he just a rube being cruelly played by the  forces 
>> >>> of nature?  The only way to find out is to discern the  answer 
>> >>> yourselves and help the hapless Joe.  So, break out your  decoder 
>> >>> rings and solve this problem. Then tell Joe (in a non-coded
>> >>> message) what the hell is up with this.  Until next time, Rhodes
>> Rangers!
>> >>> 
>> >>> Joe Camp
>> >>> s/v John Dawson
>> >>> Earleville, MD.
>> >>> 
>> >>> P.S.  Who is the red hulled Rhodes on a mooring at Bohemia Bay Marina?
>
>> >>> I see you there.
>> >>> 
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