[Rhodes22-list] I'm wet (with a twist)
Michael D. Weisner
mweisner at ebsmed.com
Sun Jul 15 15:33:28 EDT 2012
Joe,
Bilge pumps use a standard wiring code: Black=negative, Brown=12V positive.
The red wire is probably either for an indicator or an override. The
attached diagram shows what is typically inside the pump. The lead labeled
+12V (switched) is most likely your red lead. The switched lead is
generally attached to a lighted switch which illuminates when the float
switch turns on and can be used to supply power (+12V) directly to the pump
to operate it when the water level is too low for the float switch. To test
the pump float switch just put it in a pail of water.
Mike
s/v <-no name -> ('91)
Nissequogue River, NY
-----Original Message-----
From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
[mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Joe Camp
Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2012 12:45 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] I'm wet (with a twist)
Chris:
I suppose the centerboard hose is a possibility. But there were (I've
upped my estimate) over thirty gallons of water I pumped overboard. The
pennant hose may have accounted for some of that, but not all. I am
convinced that the water found a variety of sources of ingress. However it
got in, the ultimate conclusion remains unchanged... I have to deal with the
situation, now and in the future.
By the way (anyone) I am trying to wire a small bilge pump for use when
I am off the boat. I want to plug it into my 12v power point with a
cigarette lighter plug, but I can't get it to power up. There are three
leads off the pump: a red, a black and brown, and there are no wiring
instructions in the package. I assume that the brown is for an external
switch, which I won't need, since the pump has a self contained float switch
. But the pump seems to want something besides red and black to make it
perform. Any ideas? Thanks.
Joe Camp
>________________________________
> From: Chris Geankoplis <napoli68 at charter.net>
>To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2012 1:03 AM
>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] I'm wet (with a twist)
>
>You know,
> Has anyone mention the possibility of the centerboard pennant hose?
>What was that phrase? "Loose clamps Sink Ships"
>Chris G
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
>[mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Bob Keller
>Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2012 9:45 PM
>To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] I'm wet (with a twist)
>
>
>I agree with Chris that polysulfide is best for below water-line, thru
>hull fittings. I have more than I can count on my boat and changed
>from 5200 to polysulfide for the simple reason that PS flexes and 5200
>doesn't. When trailering, launching and retrieving the boat it helps
>to have something that flexes and holds. I had some leaks and went
>with PS about 8 yrs ago and it has been flawless. As for the leak, I am
>betting on the centerboard trunk.BK
>> From: napoli68 at charter.net
>> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
>> Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2012 19:04:28 -0700
>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] I'm wet (with a twist)
>>
>> Silicon Sealant, marine or otherwise, should not be used below the
>> water line. The best thing to use if you want a polyurethane sealant
>> is one called "thru hull sealant" or something like that, 3M may make
>> it. I use a polysulfide sealant like "Lifecaulk" and I can say it
>> last at least 30
>years
>> personal experience.
>> Chris G
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
>> [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Goodness
>> Sent: Friday, July 13, 2012 12:50 PM
>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] I'm wet (with a twist)
>>
>> My cockpit drain fitting was bedded in goopy silicone adhesive. Its
>> ugly and excessive. This isnt standard is it? I should replace with
>> 3m 5200 shouldnt i?
>>
>>
>>
>> On Jul 13, 2012, at 3:42 PM, "Michael D. Weisner"
>> <mweisner at ebsmed.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > At one time I had water leaking in at the thru hull fitting for the
>> cockpit
>> > drain on my '81. The level in the laz never rose more than an inch
>> > or
>two
>> > when on the hook. When sailing, quite a bit more water was found
>> > in the
>> laz
>> > at the end of the day. I found that the gasket around the fitting
>> > had disintegrated over time (30 years).
>> >
>> > I snugged the nut to the bottom of the laz BY HAND, not wanting to
>> fracture
>> > the fiberglass around the fitting nor the 30 year-old nylon
>> > fitting. I
>> was
>> > able to complete the season without a tremendous amount of water in
>> > the
>> laz.
>> > During the winter layup I replaced the thru hull fitting, the hose
>> > and
>the
>> > two clamps, rebedding both fittings. Never had another problem.
>> >
>> > Mike
>> > s/v Shanghai'd Summer ('81)
>> > s/v <- no name -> ('91)
>> > Nissequogue River, NY
>> >
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
>> > [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Lowe, Rob
>> > Sent: Friday, July 13, 2012 3:21 PM
>> > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
>> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] I'm wet (with a twist)
>> >
>> > Joe,
>> > There will be some water visible in the cockpit drain when viewed
>> > from
>the
>> > cockpit. I'm with Mary Lou in that if you are getting water into
>> > the
>boat
>> > with no rain, wind, or heeling; there are two likely places. The
>> > centerboard housing, which is unlikely if you haven't taken it
>> > apart
>> lately,
>> > and the cockpit drain. Take a real close look at the hose and thru
>> > hull
>> of
>> > the cockpit drain hose which you get to through the laz. The hose
>> > looks like radiation hose with a couple of hose clamps on it. A
>> > loose clamp
>or
>> a
>> > worn hose may be an issue. Good luck! - rob
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
>> > [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Joe Camp
>> > Sent: Friday, July 13, 2012 3:10 PM
>> > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
>> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] I'm wet (with a twist)
>> >
>> > Mary Lou:
>> >
>> > There is some standing water I noticed in the deck cockpit drain.
>> I'd
>> > never noticed any there before, though maybe I missed it previously.
>Sink
>> > drain looks fine, but could stand a close inspection. Everyone has
>> > given
>> me
>> > excellent information with which to investigate a variety of
>> > causes. I suppose, now is the time to make up a checklist and
>> > begin to tic off possible sources. Tally ho! Thanks to all.
>> >
>> > Joe
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >> ________________________________
>> >> From: Mary Lou Troy <mtroy at atlanticbb.net>
>> >> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> >> Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2012 11:20 PM
>> >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] I'm wet (with a twist)
>> >>
>> >> Hmm. No rain, not much wind or did you have rain up there? If not....
>> >> What do you have for through hulls? Check the aft cockpit drain.
>> >> The tube for it goes through the lazarette. Check your sink drain
>> >> fittings though that is above water and only ships water on a heel
>> >> (water will get into the boat if the drain hose is loose and the
>> >> boat heels). The only other culprit that I can think of is the
>> >> centerboard housing but if you haven't had it apart recently and
>> >> it didn't leak before, it's unlikely to leak now. I suppose it's
>> >> possible that water is still running into the low spot from when you
got swamped.
>> >>
>> >> Good luck in tracking it down.
>> >>
>> >> Mary Lou
>> >> 1991 R22 Fretless
>> >> Rock Hall, MD
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> At 09:07 PM 7/12/2012, you wrote:
>> >>> Hi Gang:
>> >>>
>> >>> You may remember, in the last episode, Joe had faced the
>> >>>heartbreak of a wet boat. In this installment, he reports that,
>> >>>despite pumping and sponging water, more seems to replace what has
>> >>>been removed from the bilge. It's not a flood, but it keeps
>> >>>showing up when he goes to the boat or sails.
>> >>>
>> >>> What culprit has gained control of circumstances? Is the
>> >>>boat afflicted by an unseen crack in the hull? Is there some
>> >>>hiding place
>
>> >>> from which water seeps? How long will our hero have to battle
>> >>> the errant water? Is he just a rube being cruelly played by the
>> >>> forces of nature? The only way to find out is to discern the
>> >>> answer yourselves and help the hapless Joe. So, break out your
>> >>> decoder rings and solve this problem. Then tell Joe (in a
>> >>> non-coded
>> >>> message) what the hell is up with this. Until next time, Rhodes
>> Rangers!
>> >>>
>> >>> Joe Camp
>> >>> s/v John Dawson
>> >>> Earleville, MD.
>> >>>
>> >>> P.S. Who is the red hulled Rhodes on a mooring at Bohemia Bay
Marina?
>
>> >>> I see you there.
>> >>>
>> >>> j
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