[Rhodes22-list] I'm wet (with a twist)
Joe Camp
jjcampjr at yahoo.com
Sun Jul 15 19:55:31 EDT 2012
OK, I get it: BROWN is the positive lead. So, w/o a switch, do I tie the red into the brown or just snip and tape it?
Thanks y'all.
Joe
>________________________________
> From: Michael D. Weisner <mweisner at ebsmed.com>
>To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2012 3:33 PM
>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] I'm wet (with a twist)
>
>Joe,
>
>Bilge pumps use a standard wiring code: Black=negative, Brown=12V positive.
>The red wire is probably either for an indicator or an override. The
>attached diagram shows what is typically inside the pump. The lead labeled
>+12V (switched) is most likely your red lead. The switched lead is
>generally attached to a lighted switch which illuminates when the float
>switch turns on and can be used to supply power (+12V) directly to the pump
>to operate it when the water level is too low for the float switch. To test
>the pump float switch just put it in a pail of water.
>
>Mike
>s/v <-no name -> ('91)
>Nissequogue River, NY
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
>[mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Joe Camp
>Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2012 12:45 PM
>To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] I'm wet (with a twist)
>
>Chris:
>
> I suppose the centerboard hose is a possibility. But there were (I've
>upped my estimate) over thirty gallons of water I pumped overboard. The
>pennant hose may have accounted for some of that, but not all. I am
>convinced that the water found a variety of sources of ingress. However it
>got in, the ultimate conclusion remains unchanged... I have to deal with the
>situation, now and in the future.
>
> By the way (anyone) I am trying to wire a small bilge pump for use when
>I am off the boat. I want to plug it into my 12v power point with a
>cigarette lighter plug, but I can't get it to power up. There are three
>leads off the pump: a red, a black and brown, and there are no wiring
>instructions in the package. I assume that the brown is for an external
>switch, which I won't need, since the pump has a self contained float switch
>. But the pump seems to want something besides red and black to make it
>perform. Any ideas? Thanks.
>
>Joe Camp
>
>
>
>>________________________________
>> From: Chris Geankoplis <napoli68 at charter.net>
>>To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2012 1:03 AM
>>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] I'm wet (with a twist)
>>
>>You know,
>> Has anyone mention the possibility of the centerboard pennant hose?
>>What was that phrase? "Loose clamps Sink Ships"
>>Chris G
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
>>[mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Bob Keller
>>Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2012 9:45 PM
>>To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
>>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] I'm wet (with a twist)
>>
>>
>>I agree with Chris that polysulfide is best for below water-line, thru
>>hull fittings. I have more than I can count on my boat and changed
>>from 5200 to polysulfide for the simple reason that PS flexes and 5200
>>doesn't. When trailering, launching and retrieving the boat it helps
>>to have something that flexes and holds. I had some leaks and went
>>with PS about 8 yrs ago and it has been flawless. As for the leak, I am
>>betting on the centerboard trunk.BK
>>> From: napoli68 at charter.net
>>> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
>>> Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2012 19:04:28 -0700
>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] I'm wet (with a twist)
>>>
>>> Silicon Sealant, marine or otherwise, should not be used below the
>>> water line. The best thing to use if you want a polyurethane sealant
>>> is one called "thru hull sealant" or something like that, 3M may make
>>> it. I use a polysulfide sealant like "Lifecaulk" and I can say it
>>> last at least 30
>>years
>>> personal experience.
>>> Chris G
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
>>> [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Goodness
>>> Sent: Friday, July 13, 2012 12:50 PM
>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] I'm wet (with a twist)
>>>
>>> My cockpit drain fitting was bedded in goopy silicone adhesive. Its
>>> ugly and excessive. This isnt standard is it? I should replace with
>>> 3m 5200 shouldnt i?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jul 13, 2012, at 3:42 PM, "Michael D. Weisner"
>>> <mweisner at ebsmed.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> > At one time I had water leaking in at the thru hull fitting for the
>>> cockpit
>>> > drain on my '81. The level in the laz never rose more than an inch
>>> > or
>>two
>>> > when on the hook. When sailing, quite a bit more water was found
>>> > in the
>>> laz
>>> > at the end of the day. I found that the gasket around the fitting
>>> > had disintegrated over time (30 years).
>>> >
>>> > I snugged the nut to the bottom of the laz BY HAND, not wanting to
>>> fracture
>>> > the fiberglass around the fitting nor the 30 year-old nylon
>>> > fitting. I
>>> was
>>> > able to complete the season without a tremendous amount of water in
>>> > the
>>> laz.
>>> > During the winter layup I replaced the thru hull fitting, the hose
>>> > and
>>the
>>> > two clamps, rebedding both fittings. Never had another problem.
>>> >
>>> > Mike
>>> > s/v Shanghai'd Summer ('81)
>>> > s/v <- no name -> ('91)
>>> > Nissequogue River, NY
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > -----Original Message-----
>>> > From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
>>> > [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Lowe, Rob
>>> > Sent: Friday, July 13, 2012 3:21 PM
>>> > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
>>> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] I'm wet (with a twist)
>>> >
>>> > Joe,
>>> > There will be some water visible in the cockpit drain when viewed
>>> > from
>>the
>>> > cockpit. I'm with Mary Lou in that if you are getting water into
>>> > the
>>boat
>>> > with no rain, wind, or heeling; there are two likely places. The
>>> > centerboard housing, which is unlikely if you haven't taken it
>>> > apart
>>> lately,
>>> > and the cockpit drain. Take a real close look at the hose and thru
>>> > hull
>>> of
>>> > the cockpit drain hose which you get to through the laz. The hose
>>> > looks like radiation hose with a couple of hose clamps on it. A
>>> > loose clamp
>>or
>>> a
>>> > worn hose may be an issue. Good luck! - rob
>>> >
>>> > -----Original Message-----
>>> > From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
>>> > [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Joe Camp
>>> > Sent: Friday, July 13, 2012 3:10 PM
>>> > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
>>> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] I'm wet (with a twist)
>>> >
>>> > Mary Lou:
>>> >
>>> > There is some standing water I noticed in the deck cockpit drain.
>>> I'd
>>> > never noticed any there before, though maybe I missed it previously.
>>Sink
>>> > drain looks fine, but could stand a close inspection. Everyone has
>>> > given
>>> me
>>> > excellent information with which to investigate a variety of
>>> > causes. I suppose, now is the time to make up a checklist and
>>> > begin to tic off possible sources. Tally ho! Thanks to all.
>>> >
>>> > Joe
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >> ________________________________
>>> >> From: Mary Lou Troy <mtroy at atlanticbb.net>
>>> >> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>> >> Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2012 11:20 PM
>>> >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] I'm wet (with a twist)
>>> >>
>>> >> Hmm. No rain, not much wind or did you have rain up there? If not....
>>> >> What do you have for through hulls? Check the aft cockpit drain.
>>> >> The tube for it goes through the lazarette. Check your sink drain
>>> >> fittings though that is above water and only ships water on a heel
>>> >> (water will get into the boat if the drain hose is loose and the
>>> >> boat heels). The only other culprit that I can think of is the
>>> >> centerboard housing but if you haven't had it apart recently and
>>> >> it didn't leak before, it's unlikely to leak now. I suppose it's
>>> >> possible that water is still running into the low spot from when you
>got swamped.
>>> >>
>>> >> Good luck in tracking it down.
>>> >>
>>> >> Mary Lou
>>> >> 1991 R22 Fretless
>>> >> Rock Hall, MD
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> At 09:07 PM 7/12/2012, you wrote:
>>> >>> Hi Gang:
>>> >>>
>>> >>> You may remember, in the last episode, Joe had faced the
>>> >>>heartbreak of a wet boat. In this installment, he reports that,
>>> >>>despite pumping and sponging water, more seems to replace what has
>>> >>>been removed from the bilge. It's not a flood, but it keeps
>>> >>>showing up when he goes to the boat or sails.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> What culprit has gained control of circumstances? Is the
>>> >>>boat afflicted by an unseen crack in the hull? Is there some
>>> >>>hiding place
>>
>>> >>> from which water seeps? How long will our hero have to battle
>>> >>> the errant water? Is he just a rube being cruelly played by the
>>> >>> forces of nature? The only way to find out is to discern the
>>> >>> answer yourselves and help the hapless Joe. So, break out your
>>> >>> decoder rings and solve this problem. Then tell Joe (in a
>>> >>> non-coded
>>> >>> message) what the hell is up with this. Until next time, Rhodes
>>> Rangers!
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Joe Camp
>>> >>> s/v John Dawson
>>> >>> Earleville, MD.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> P.S. Who is the red hulled Rhodes on a mooring at Bohemia Bay
>Marina?
>>
>>> >>> I see you there.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> j
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