[Rhodes22-list] Mast Plate
Michael Hellyar
michaelhellyar at icloud.com
Sat Jun 22 17:50:17 EDT 2013
My wife tells me I don't have a six pack so I guess that method won't work ; - ).
But it will get up, the mast that is, with help from my Rhodes owner twin.
Are you and Stan a tag team ?
Be well and good sailing forever
Mike Hellyar
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On Jun 22, 2013, at 3:34 PM, R22RumRunner at aol.com wrote:
> Mike,
> The R22 mast is an easy thing to raise. You can either use the nifty mast
> crane that Stanley invented and sells, or you can use the six pack method of
> mast raising.
>
> Rummy
>
>
> In a message dated 6/22/2013 1:16:21 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> michaelhellyar at icloud.com writes:
>
> We did not mean to cause a ruckus. I have another sailboat,an Abbott 22
> beautiful and have never had to mess with the mast or mast step. I prefer to
> use the marina manual crane to raise and lower my mast.
>
> Mike Hellyar
> sent from my iPad
>
> On Jun 21, 2013, at 6:08 PM, Dennis Frappier <dennisf at maine.rr.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi I have been following the conversation with a lot of interest as I
> have
>> just put in a compression post and the block for the mast plate to sit
> on.
>> What type and size of screws are correct to install the mast plate?
>>
>> Sincerely,
>>
>> Dennis Frappier
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
>> [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Michael Hellyar
>> Sent: Friday, June 21, 2013 9:14 AM
>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Sacrificial Toothpicks
>>
>> I got some non Rhodes owner feedback from the BoatDesign.net forum. They
>> reminded me that many boats like an S2 that has a stub fastened to the
> deck.
>> The mast fits over the stub.
>> So, we will switch back to screws.It's easy to re drill the holes if
> needed.
>> Thanks to everyone for the education.
>>
>> Mike Hellyar
>> sent from my iPad
>>
>> On Jun 21, 2013, at 8:43 AM, Mary Lou Troy <mtroy at atlanticbb.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Mike,
>>>
>>> Here are my thoughts on the subject.
>>>
>>> 1. I've never hear of an R22 mast coming down in a blow. Based on my
>>> own experience, leverage mistakes when raising the mast are much more
>>> common. All you need to do is forget to put the poptop/boom slider in
>>> the up position or slide the poptop/cpmpanionway slide closed and you
>>> create a leverage point that can be damaged if you don't notice it.
>>> If you just use the screws the fix is easy and the leverage points
>>> don't get damaged. (hear the voice of experience - we were glad there
>>> were screws there.)
>>>
>>> 2. As everyone else has said the stays are more than sufficient to
>>> keep the mast up. Even boats that have been rolled in a microburst
>>> (there is one account somewhere in the archives) or damaged in a
>>> hurricane, don't have the mast come down as you are envisioning. The
>>> mast may stick in the mud and get damaged, chainplates may pull but
>>> the mast doesn't go flying. For that to happen you would have to have
>>> 2 and maybe 3 stays/chainplates go simultaneously.
>>>
>>> 3) If the above happened and the mast did go flying it would be just
>>> as deadly with a chunk of fiberglass attached to it. The leverage of
>>> the mast is such that if the stays go the bolts won't help much -
>>> might as well be screws.
>>>
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> Mary Lou
>>> 1991 R22 Fretless
>>>
>>>
>>> At 11:36 PM 6/20/2013, you wrote:
>>>> I appreciate all the feedback and we will consider all the comments.
>>>> I explained our logic for through bolting and I hope someone will
>>>> explain why we are wrong.
>>>>
>>>> Mike Hellyar
>>>> sent from my iPad
>>>>
>>>> On Jun 20, 2013, at 11:44 AM, R22RumRunner at aol.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Mike,
>>>>> Please follow the advice of the list (and Stan's) and DO NOT through
>>>>> bolt the mast step.
>>>>>
>>>>> Rummy
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> In a message dated 6/20/2013 9:06:16 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
>>>>> mdh007 at wowway.com writes:
>>>>>
>>>>> We are re-attaching the mast step fitting. The holes were left
>>>>> uncovered for years. We are going to through bolt. Yes, we know
>>>>> Stan's
>>>> theory. We used
>>>>> a simple process described in West System Boat Maintenance. Cured
>>>>> epoxy can be hard on drill bits so Steve came up with the idea to
>>>>> slobber match sticks with some paste wax use clear tape over the
>>>>> filled holed
>>>> and stick the
>>>>> match sticks into the epoxy to create a pilot small starter pilot.
>>>>> Tape hold the matchsticks vertical. And it worked like a charm. And
>>>>> the epoxy wicked quite a bit to repair any core damage in the area.
>>>>> By
>>>> taping the hole
>>>>> opening in the cabin we prevented in leakage. Given the strength
>>>> of epoxy we
>>>>> could just as well have re-drilled and screwed into the epoxy.
>>>>>
>>>>> Mike Hellyar
>>>>> Steve Congdon, Rhodesmaster I
>>>>> sent from my iPad
>>>>>
>>>>> Begin forwarded message:
>>>>>
>>>>>> From: sjcclu <sjcclu at msn.com>
>>>>>> Date: June 19, 2013, 7:49:17 AM EDT
>>>>>> To: Mike Hellyar <mdh007 at wowway.com>, Mike Hellyar
>>>>>> <mhellyar22 at yahoo.com>
>>>>>> Subject: <No Subject>
>>>>>> Reply-To: sjcclu <sjcclu at msn.com>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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