[Rhodes22-list] Self Tending JIb

Tue Oct 8 16:58:26 EDT 2013

I do that too....sometimes even with the Admiral...... If you mean wrapping the winch, then across cockpit to opposite side and then cleat off ..... It does keep one from getting weight to the lee side :-)

Sent from my iPhone

Charles 

On Oct 8, 2013, at 3:33 PM, "Rick" <sloopblueheron at gmail.com> wrote:

> Charles,
> 
> When single handing in heavy air, I usually bring the working jib sheet to
> the windward winch and cleat there.  I just don't like leaning downhill.
> 
> Rick
> 
> 
> On Tue, Oct 8, 2013 at 10:14 AM, Charles Nieman
> <blue66corvette at hotmail.com>wrote:
> 
>> I tried this with furling my 130....it worked great .... I rigged my the
>> opposite hand (started at the starboard shroud and ran through the port
>> side, because I had a cam cleat there that would service; and maybe I get a
>> little dyslexic)..... very happy with the results and may use this a great
>> deal more, except of course in very light winds .....
>> 
>> Charles
>> 98 R 22
>> s/v Day Dream
>> Arlington, TX
>> 
>>> From: jac2 at wavecable.com
>>> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
>>> Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2013 05:52:54 -0700
>>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Self Tending JIb
>>> 
>>> Some time ago, I posted a request to those on list for any information
>>> anyone had on self tending jib options for my refurbished 92 Rhodes. I
>> asked
>>> about sail dimensions, rigging options etc. What I got in response were
>>> questions and a note from Stan that he would be willing to revisit his
>>> design on the problem. I just went ahead and started with the only known
>>> requirement...... A smaller jib sail.
>>> 
>>> I wanted to solve several problems.
>>> 
>>> 1. The 175% jib is too large for easy single handed operation unless it
>>> stays reefed.
>>> 2. The 175% unbalances the boat severely in moderate winds above 12
>> knots or
>>> so.
>>> 3. The 175% is too small to be useful when reefed far enough for a self
>>> tending rig.
>>> 
>>> I had seen many comments on the list about concerns in winds above 15
>> knots
>>> or so. In my experience with other boats, things don't get fun until you
>> get
>>> above 15 knots. This has been our first summer on the boat. It was clear
>>> immediately the 175% had to go unless you wanted to race and had an
>>> experienced first mate willing to constantly tend it.
>>> 
>>> Reefed however, the 175% operated wonderfully even in light winds. It was
>>> clear a smaller sail would be prudent and a self tending rig that could
>> be
>>> easily used or not as desired would be ideal but, I had no idea what
>> kind of
>>> rigging would be required. All I knew is that the jib sail needed to be
>> able
>>> to swing free when fully deployed. I measured the boat for a 100% sail,
>> sent
>>> the dimensions to Doyle and had one made.
>>> 
>>> The 100% worked great with normal rigging. Winds above 20 knots were no
>>> problem even under full sail. Furling was easy even under a full wind
>> load
>>> and swapping sheets in tacking was quick and simple.
>>> 
>>> Options for the self tending rig included everything from a full
>> duplication
>>> of the main rigging (boom, topping lift, traveler and sheet) to just a
>>> single line run through the clew and tied between two points somewhere on
>>> the bow. The single line has worked very, very well  and allowed
>> sustained
>>> speeds above 5 knots in 10 to 15 knot winds. It also handled higher winds
>>> with no trouble.
>>> 
>>> Here is how it is rigged.
>>> 
>>> The clew of the 100% sail just passes the forward shrouds under normal
>>> rigging with port and starboard sheets. A slight furling can stop it at
>> the
>>> forward shroud and still leave about 90% of the sail deployed. This is
>> the
>>> position it is in for self tending. The normal sheets stay connected and
>>> just loose enough to allow it to swing freely to each side. A single
>> block
>>> is attached to the jib clew and another single block is attached to the
>> base
>>> of the starboard forward shroud. The self tending line is secured first
>> to
>>> the base of the port forward shroud, routed through the block in the sail
>>> clew, then through the block at the base of the starboard forward shroud
>> and
>>> finally through the starboard inboard eye and jam cleat to the the left
>> of
>>> the jib furling line. This allows the single line to act as outhaul,
>>> traveler and sheet and leads all lines to the cockpit. Sail shape can be
>> set
>>> easily by adjusting the furling line and the self tending line.
>>> 
>>> Switching between use of the normal sheets and the self tending sheet is
>>> quick and easy. The boat sails under perfect balance on either rigging
>>> because of the smaller jib. I was able to let the rudder loose and keep
>> the
>>> boat on course by just adjusting the main sheet under both rigging
>>> conditions. Down wind runs were easy and reaches were even better than
>>> normal since the jib sail could be pulled closer to the center line.
>> Speeds
>>> above 5 knots were easily reached and maintained. I doubt, I will be
>> going
>>> back to the 175% under any conditions.
>>> 
>>> I have no intent to post pictures on the list. If anyone would like me to
>>> take some and send them, please email me directly. I will be happy to
>> supply
>>> the sail dimensions and pictures of the rig.
>>> 
>>> One other note. I removed the winch.  I considered it dangerous since it
>> had
>>> no automatic kill switch at its top limit and could pull its self out of
>> the
>>> transom if something happened to the remote. It was a 3,000 winch. In its
>>> place, I set up 4 double blocks to serve as a hoist. Two were attached to
>>> the upper winch strap bar and two to the lower. I installed a jam cleat
>> on
>>> the platform over the strap slot in the transom to secure the line. It
>> works
>>> great and allows me to lift and lower the engine ( 6 HP 4 Stroke Tohatsu)
>>> with one hand. I used the now vacant strap slot to route the wires for my
>>> Humminbird 858 DI Combo system.
>>> 
>>> Take care and good sailing........
>>> 
>>> Jay
>>> Port Angeles, WA
>>> 
>>> __________________________________________________
>>> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to
>> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
>>> 
>>> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives
>> go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list
>>> __________________________________________________
>> 
>> __________________________________________________
>> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to
>> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
>> 
>> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go
>> to http://www.rhodes22.org/list
>> __________________________________________________
> __________________________________________________
> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
> 
> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list
> __________________________________________________